REVOLUTION: There was a peaceful happy feeling...

THURSDAY, AUGUST 21, 2025

...when Vladimir stepped off his plane: Is it possible that something good will emerge from the Trump-Witkoff diplomacy?

In theory, everything's possible! That said, it's as we noted in yesterday afternoon's report:

In his new column for the New York Times, Thomas Friedman quotes lengthy statements by Witkoff—lengthy statements about Vladimir Putin—which seem to have come from the twilight zone. Then too, there's what the sitting American president said when he spoke about this matter for twenty-five minutes this past Tuesday morning.

The venue may have been a bit of a problem. The president spoke for twenty-five minutes on the D-minus morning program, Fox & Friends.

He spoke to a trio of C-minus students. Later that same day, Tom Nichols tried to describe what had happened, writing for The Atlantic:

Trump Keeps Defending Russia

This morning, the commander in chief made clear that he does not understand the largest war in Europe, what started it, or why it continues. Worse, insofar as he does understand anything about Russia’s attempted conquest of Ukraine, he seems to have internalized old pro-Moscow talking points that even the Kremlin doesn’t bother with anymore.

The setting, as it so often is when Trump piles into a car with his thoughts and then goes full Thelma & Louise off a rhetorical cliff, was Fox & Friends. The Fox hosts, although predictably fawning, did their best to keep the president from the ledge, but when Trump pushes the accelerator, everyone goes along for the ride.

The subject, ostensibly, was Trump’s supposed diplomatic triumph at [Monday's] White House meeting with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and seven European leaders...Trump ran through the usual items: The war was Joe Biden’s fault; the “Russia, Russia, Russia hoax”; the war never would have happened if Trump had been president. Unto ages of ages, amen.

But when the hosts asked specifically about making peace, the president of America sounded a lot like the president of Russia.

That's the way Nichols started. He didn't make it sound good. 

On this campus, we had happened to see the last few minutes of the Fox & Friends interview in real time. We read the Nichols piece before we reviewed the full session.

Regarding that 25-minute session, let us say this about that:

You can watch the whole darn thing simply by clicking this. We're forced to say that, when we did, the president's adoption of the Russkie viewpoint sounded even more extreme than what Nichols had said.

Also, the president spoke, once again, of his recent encounters with his current best friend.

In fairness, we aren't Russia policy experts here—but we may know how to step outside the narrowest lanes of understanding when we listen to President Trump. Along the way in his Fox & Friends session, he spoke of his personal interaction with his darling Vladimir in Alaska on Friday last.

He thought back on that personal meeting way up north. When he did, here's what he said:

PRESIDENT TRUMP (8/19/25): [The Russians] had no communication with the White House for years as people died—years, with Biden and his people. No communication! Putin told me—years! It was years when he didn't speak to anyone from the White House. And it was a long time that he didn't speak to anybody from Europe.

No, it's a fractured relationship. And when I came in, I always had, despite the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax, which truly was a very dangerous thing for our country, but despite that I maintained a very good relationship. 

I mean, you saw that when he got off his plane, I got off my plane, there’s a warmth there that you can’t—you know, there’s a decent feeling, and it’s a good thing, not a bad thing. 

People will say, "Oh, it's such a terrible thing." It's not a terrible thing.

Borrowing from the Eagles, it was a peaceful happy feeling as the two friends stepped off their planes. Indeed, "There's a warmth there that you can't"—at that point, what did the president leave unsaid?

There's a warmth there that you can't fake or misconstrue? Is that what the president meant?

So said the American president. He said it's not a terrible thing that he and Putin share this peaceful easy feeling—this warmth. Regarding that, we must quickly add this:

The president said it's not a terrible thing. For better or worse, correctly or otherwise, many Russia experts don't believe that it's a "thing" at all!

Rightly or wrongly, many observers believe that Trump is getting played by this former KGB man. There's no way to prove some such assessment—but as he spoke with the trio of friends, Trump also described his phone call with his friend on Monday afternoon Eastern time—the call he made in the course of his meeting with President Zelensky and a phalanx of Euro officials.

At one point, President Trump rang Moscow up. Here's how the phone call went, he now told the three friends at Fox:

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I think [the European leaders] sort of knew at the end of the meeting I was going to call President Putin. And President Putin expected it and he was there.

Now by the time I called him, it was one o'clock in the morning in Russia. Russia is a big place. You know, they have eleven time zones, I believe. Nine or eleven, but I think it's eleven. 

Think of it—eleven time zones! That's a lot of time zones. So it was late—it was like one o'clock in the morning, but he picked it up very happily. Sure, he works very hard, like we all do. 

And we had a very good call. And I told him that, "We’re going to set up a meeting with President Zelensky, and you and he will meet. And then after that meeting, if everything works out OK, I’ll meet and we’ll wrap it up."

Despite the profusion of time zones (eleven!), Vladimir took the prearranged call. He picked UP the phone very happily, and the two men had a good call.

Speaking with the trio of friends, the president left the impression that he had then told Vladimir what would come next, and that Valdimir had happily acceded to the president's plan. 

Sadly, this is the rest of the story:

Despite the very happy call, the Russkies have now splashed cold water on the plan that President Trump described. They've said that any such meeting with President Zelensky is, at best, a long way off. There is, of course, no way to know if the president's account of the good, happy call was accurate to begin with.

There had been a peaceful happy feeling as Putin stepped off his plane. There was a warmth between these two titans—a warmth you simply can't [fake]. And it was, of course, at Monday's meeting where President Trump took poor Macron aside.

He took him aside and made him listen to this remarkable suggestion:

PRESIDENT TRUMP (8/18/25): I think he wants to make a deal. I think he wants to make a deal for me. 

Do you understand that? As crazy as it sounds.

[Addressing the entire room]

Sit down. Sit down, everybody. I think we’ll let the press come in for a minute.

"As crazy as it sounds," the president said, he has the impression that Vladimir Putin wants to make a deal for peace. More specifically, he thinks Putin wants to make a peace deal for him—for President Donald J. Trump!

We can't help thinking that we're hearing a type of delusion floating around inside these strange remarks. We know that we thought we heard the voice of Gretta Conroy when Trump made that last strange comment—when he said he thinks that President Putin wants to make a deal for him.

We thought we heard her speaking about the gentle boy who, she said, had "died for me"—the gentle boy who had died for her when he was just seventeen.

("I can see him so plainly," she said. "Such eyes as he had: big, dark eyes! And such an expression in them.")

At any rate, Putin wants to make a peace deal—and he wants to do it for President Trump! The president was willing to say that it sounds crazy—but we'll guess he really believed what he said when he said those words to Macron.

We've yet to show you what the president said last Friday in the very brief press event at the end of the Anchorage summit. We've yet to revisit what Mary Trump said about her famous uncle's profusion of "psychopathologies" in her best-selling book, Too Much and Never Enough. 

We've yet to revisit what she said about the way her famous uncle came to be the way he is. Even as late as 2020, she was still able to pity the child, even as she voiced her great fears about the adult.

We have only one day left this week. (Saturday has already been slotted to belong to Joy Reid.)

That said, were we right in what we thought we heard when President Trump spoke to Macron? Were we hearing some sort of delusion being given voice by the world's most powerful man? 

Also this:

In these deeply challenging times, will the withered voices of Blue America ever agree to consider such points? A withered discourse helped bring us here. Will we ever improve our game?

Tomorrow: As spoken way up north

67 comments:


  1. "Is it possible that something good will emerge from the Trump-Witkoff diplomacy?"

    If you consider the globalist idiot-Democrat alternative -- a global nuclear war -- then yes, I'd say something really, really good will definitely emerge from the Trump-Witkoff diplomacy. And that's this: NO NUCLEAR WAR.

    Capeesh?

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    1. Anon@11:04 -- Mao is a performance artist. Mao is just like Colbert who played an O'Riley type -- "papa bear" -- character on his show and stayed in character for years. Likewise, Mao has been in character for years, demonstrating the bizarreness of a Trump cultist. It's quite brilliant, actually.

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    2. The giveaways that it's an act, are the times Mao forgets to mis-understand basic math.

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    3. Pretty sure Mao has been dicking around here for twenty some years, desperate!y defending PNAC and shrubs wars, decrying the evils of Obama healthcare, and rooting on Trumps demented agenda. Amazing how easily these wimps are manipulated by their propaganda media. Yet brag about being the free thinkers and true defenders of democracy.

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    4. To stay in character for twenty years, while espousing diametrically opposing positions -- war in Iraq was good; war in Iraq was bad -- is quite a feat of accomplishment. This is performance art at its finest. I wish Mao would take it to a bigger venue.
      Of course, hosts on Fox are doing that too, although with a little less flare.

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  2. James Dobson is dead, so there's one great thing that has happened for the people since Trump took office.

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    1. Dobson's the first domino to fall in the backlash against Conservatives.
      Stay tuned. It's about to get fun.

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    2. The Democratic Party's head-fake about taking away our guns was brilliant politics. It gave Republicans part ownership of their own demise.

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    3. SATAN: You seem surprised to see me, Jimmy.

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  3. When evaluating an action, one should look at both the chance that it will work and the value if it works vs. the cost if it fails. That's why I support Trump's peace efforts, even if they're likely to fail.

    There is certainly some chance that Trump's efforts will lead to peace in Ukraine. Let's say, there's only a 10% chance and a 90% chance that Putin is playing Trump. But, compare the value of peace vs. the cost of a endless war that has already produced around a million casualties. The value of peace may be around a thousand times the cost if the peace efforts fail.

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    1. Same reason we should hold the police accountable for their actions.
      What's the worst that could happen?

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    2. Go fuck yourself, Dickhead in Cal. What fucking efforts are you hallucinating, you fucking fascist freak?

      If you are interested in how a real President puts effort forth, study President Clinton's efforts to bring peace to Northern Ireland, or President Jimmy Carter's brokered peace treaty between Egypt and Israel.

      The fucking jackass ignorant treasonous corrupt bastard clown that you worship is incapable of anything approaching those examples.

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    3. Incoherent! Just plain bizarre and divorced from reality, David. You can come up with random percentages all day long, and ignore what is actually visible to the naked eye: Putin is proceeding with his assault on Ukraine apace.
      He jets over to play with Trump, suggest that peace is possible, provided Ukraine cedes the territory that Russia doesn't even control. Then there will be suggestion that a Putin-friendly regime needs to be installed in Kiev.
      In the meantime, as Bob has posted, Trump's rhetoric is overtly pro-Putin. Again, per the blog suggestion Putin is playing on Trump's psychopathology, which, in fairness, does not take a clinical psychologist to see. Trump thirsts for Putin's approval and just laps it up. Putin affirms that the war would've never happened, if Trump hadn't been cheated out of his election -- and Trump just glows.
      Your analysis is just as delusional as Trump.

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    4. Well said, llya. I think you're probably exactly right. Nevertheless I support Trump's efforts to try to make peace, because the value of peace is so great.

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    5. Same reason to hold police accountable, DiC.

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    6. "Trump's rhetoric is overtly pro-Putin." What is your basis for saying this?

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    7. There's really no chance for peace. It's going to be an endless war. And so many more Ukrainian people are going to die. In the end, their country will be destroyed. Either that or World War 3 starts.

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    8. If Trump's rhetoric really is overtly pro-Putin, rather than the overtly russophobic Neo-Nazi idiot-Democrat rhetoric, then great. More swamp-draining, Mr. President, please.

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    9. Somebody needs to send a missile up Putin's ass to end this crime against humanity.

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    10. I would love to know just what the fuck is wrong in your head to have fears of overtly russophobic Neo-Nazi idiot-Democrat rhetoric. Get help Boris. You are just gushing gibberish and mouth froth at this point. Sad.

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    11. "Well said, llya. I think you're probably exactly right." Well at least you agree that you are delusional David. It's a start.

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    12. Triggered, Hillary?

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    13. 1:47,
      You aren't special, just because you can't tell Neo-Nazis and white supremacists from the fine people on the Right.
      No one can.
      That's why tech companies are investing over one-hundred billion dollars in AI, to see if it can be done by computers.

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    14. No you're triggered bitch!!!

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    15. Quiet, Hillary, keep quiet already.

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    16. You're the puppet. Everyone can see that.

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    17. "compare the value of peace vs. the cost of a (sic) endless war"

      How about comparing the value of watching Putin toy with Trump's man-baby ego v. getting on with supplying Ukraine with arms so they can fight back?

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    18. "Trump's rhetoric is overtly pro-Putin." What is your basis for saying this?"

      "You don't start a war against someone 20 times your size and then hope that people give you some missiles," he (Trump) said at the White House on Monday.

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    19. How is that pro Putin?

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    20. Anything that's not 100% idiotic-Democrat is pro-Putin.

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    21. The commenters here are so extremely stupid. It's crazy.

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    22. It's true and it's sad, Trump drove them insane. They're lunatics and out of touch with reality.

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  4. James Dobson has died.

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    1. This is what we voted for.

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    2. Another freak like Noem who abused his dogs. He bragged about beating the living shit out of his kids in his books, and that is cool. But beating a dog, that is fucked up.

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    3. There are two approaches to behavior modification. One uses reward of desired behavior while ignoring misbehavior so that it extinguishes because it is unrewarded. The other approach uses mainly punishment of misbehavior. The latter approach is faster to achieve change, but has the drawbacks of creating hostility and fear of the person administering the punishment. That fear is generalized to other behaviors which are then suppressed too, whether desirable or not. Those who recommend using corporal punishment on children (or dogs) may be unfamiliar with techniques for changing behavior using other methods and fall back on hitting, shaming, shunning, and other punishments because of lack of skill using better methods. In parenting, they may be hitting their kids because that is what their parents did to them. Dobson should have known better because principles of learning theory have been well known since the 1940s.

      There are a lot of things that the right wing prefers that have been superseded by better knowledge. This resistance to change is part of being conservative, but it comes at a cost to the kids and dogs.

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    4. There is no evidence that hitting kids causes a rift between parent and child when the discipline occurs in the context of an otherwise warm and loving relationship and when it is consistent with what is done in other households, so the kids expect to be punished and consider it normal. It is a bad idea to divide punishment so that the father administers the discipline but is cold and distant, while the mother is warm and loving. That produces troubled father-child relationships. It is better if both parents can be both stern and loving. It doesn't always work out that way, especially if fathers don't spend much time with their kids. I'm not sure whether Dobson covered that territory in his books.

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  5. At the heart of the Democratic collapse: young White men are registering as Republicans in unprecedented numbers.

    Gen Z is on track to be the most pro-GOP generation since the Great Depression.

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    1. Took them long enough.
      If they wanted the special benefits of "identity politics", they should have voted for Republicans in the first place.

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    2. Lucky for them they will experience the third great depression under Republican rule. Winning!!!

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  6. Another victory for Trump and another loss for Letitia James
    President Trump won a huge victory Thursday when a New York appeals court threw out the massive more than $500 million fine he owed in Attorney General Letitia James’ business fraud case.

    The Appellate Division, First Department overturned the whopping $464 million judgement which Trump, 78, faced after he was found to have fraudulently inflated his net worth by billions of dollars over a decade to get better loan and insurance terms.

    https://nypost.com/2025/08/21/us-news/trumps-massive-500m-civil-fraud-fine-in-ag-tish-james-case-thrown-out-by-ny-appeals-court/

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    1. No need for courts, or the police for that matter.
      Just have the defendant run for elected office, and let the people decide.
      Musk should have implemented this back when he was running DOGE, but he was too busy selling our personal data to China to do so, obviously.

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    2. 1:32 Come on with your nonsense man; DOGE is selling our data to China AND Russia.

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    3. Are you telling us that this ruling declared that Trump did not commit fraud, DiC?

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    4. Letting white collar crime slide while rounding up the working poor after suspending their legal rights, can Democracy work better than that? And of course a committed racist and fascist like David in Cal is all in on the oligarchy stomping all over the little people. He calls that filth a victory. Sad little man.

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    5. Trump no more committed fraud, then he raped schoolchildren.

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    6. 1:40,
      Oh, c'mon.
      Hillary gave a speech to Wall Street. That, and not the absolute love of Trump's bigotry by Republican voters is how we got Trump.
      Best regards,

      The Mainstream Media

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    7. 1:35,
      I provided proof that Musk sold our personal data by using the word "obviously". If you have proof he was selling our personal info to Russia, too, can you use the word "obviously", so we can see the proof?
      Thanks in advance.

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    8. There was that data whistleblower who said Blue Balls opened up the systems to the fucking murderous war criminals no good Rookies with a shit hole country army that lost all its tanks to tiny little Ukraine and now launches meat assaults on motorcycles to gain a few meters of ground at the cost of thousands of men. Putin has no respect for the lives of his soldiers. What a creepy !little maggot war criminal.

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    9. @1:38 The ruling did not acquit Trump of fraud. It said the fine was excessive

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    10. Terrible. Does this guy do anything but win?

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  7. An anti-vaxxer shot up a government building full of employees --500 bullets. Not a peep from Trump.

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  8. Hey Bob, did I mention that you favorite good, decent cable channel is being renamed to "BS Now"?

    Any comments?

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    1. Great comment, I have two words, clever!

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    2. Clever? You mean BS Now idiots are clever?

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  9. Trump is demanding the state of Colorado ignore its own laws and courts to spring a MAGA criminal. So much for "law and order."

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    1. Not going to happen.

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    2. Habeas corpus, Soros-bots, habeas corpus.

      Ah, never mind, Soros-bots, I'm sure it means nothing to you. Go on with your "MAGA criminal" and such idiotic drivel.

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    3. She was convicted and is serving a sentence.

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    4. Is Scott Bessent commenting here?

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    5. There's a mechanism for the feds to dispute a state conviction.

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    6. "The Colorado Attorney General's office has opposed the DOJ's involvement, arguing against federal interference in state court proceedings and citing a lack of evidence presented by the federal government to support its claims of wrongdoing or political motivation in Peters' prosecution. A federal magistrate judge has heard arguments regarding Peters' request for release on bond pending her appeal, though no immediate decision was reached. " AI

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  10. Somerby talks about the happy feeling in the Alaska summit as if it were a real thing and not a figment of Trump's imagination. Putin kept Trump waiting, which is a sign of disrespect. Apparently Trump doesn't realize that (except of course he does) or Trump is pretending everything was wonderful, warm, friendly, to protect his ego and bolster his sense of himself as a strongman among strongmen and a great negotiator.

    That is pathetic. Somerby pretends that maybe that feeling was really there, but how could it be when Russia has been dissing Trump for weeks now. That may, in fact, be why Trump is grasping for this desperate feeling that their relationship is cordial and they are bros.

    Mary Trump has nothing to say about this situation. She wasn't there and she was never a close friend of Trump herself. Trump doesn't like her, so how can she know anything current about what he thinks or feels about anything. Somerby's constant references to her neglect that she knows nothing specific about Trump any more, never treated him as a client, and has nothing but guesses, just like any other observer from a distance. It is annoying when Somerby pretends she has insights that she does not have.

    Given the difficulties Trump had walking down that red carpet with Putin, it may be that Putin suggested the red carpet walk in order to embarrass Trump, to make his health issue obvious (as a sign of weakness) to the world. Putin could have left the plain and met Trump inside the building. Some have commented that the spectacle of our military on their hands and knees smoothing out the red carpet for Putin was a debasement of our service members given Putin's status as a war criminal and hostile nation to the US. Why give Putin that stature, as Trump plainly did? Whoever arranged the protocol was no friend of the US, and it seems likely Putin dictated it to Trump, who was afraid to push back against it.

    In any case, Somerby's framing and view of what happened is itself odd. As always, it is annoying when Somerby grabs the line from the Eagles (at least he credits them) then mangles it by later calling it a "peaceful happy feeling" to better fit Trump's lie. Why drag the Eagles into this when Trump didn't even quote their lyrics but mumbled vaguely about warmth? The Eagles don't belong anywhere near Trump's misadventure with Putin.

    If Somerby really wants to speculate, it may not be long before Trump confuses Putin with his own daddy. He already seems to be transferring that yearned for warmth and approval to Putin. But Putin doesn't love Trump back because Putin is a sociopath, just like Trump.

    Why does our nation have to suffer through these embarrassments and watch while Trump sells us out to our enemies, while congress stands by and does nothing, Trump's cabinet is too chicken to invoke Article 25. Trump is not functioning as a president should, and the reasons why are immaterial. It is enough that he is unfit to do the job.

    Somerby doesn't help matters at all when he confuses matters and urges us to pity Trump. I pity Trump's victims. They (we) are innocent and don't deserve what is happening to us.

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  11. Trump to Patrol DC Streets with Police and Military

    '“I’m going to be going out tonight, I think, with the police and with the military, of course. So we’re going to do a job,” Trump told conservative radio host Todd Starnes on his show.'

    This should put an end to the baseless speculation that putting troops in DC was some kind of performative stunt.

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