MONDAY: Democrats still lack any significant power!

MONDAY, NOVEMBER 10, 2025

And so, the end of the shutdown came: Should ten Democrats have decided to vote to stop the shutdown? We'll link you to a pair of possible answers.

In this column for the New York Times, Ezra Klein says he wouldn't have voted to end the shutdown, but by the end of his piece, he takes a nuanced view of the matter:

What Were Democrats Thinking?

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More than anything else, this is what led some Senate Democrats to cut a deal: Trump’s willingness to hurt people exceeds their willingness to see people get hurt. I want to give them their due on this: They are hearing from their constituents and seeing the mounting problems, and they are trying to do what they see as the responsible, moral thing. They do not believe that holding out will lead to Trump restoring the subsidies. They fear that their Republican colleagues would, under mounting pressure, do as Trump had demanded and abolish the filibuster...They don’t think a longer shutdown will cause Trump to cave. They just think it will cause more damage.

If I were in the Senate, I wouldn’t vote for this compromise. Shutdowns are an opportunity to make an argument, and the country was just starting to pay attention. If Trump wanted to cancel flights over Thanksgiving rather than keep health care costs down, I don’t see why Democrats should save him from making his priorities so exquisitely clear. And I worry that Democrats have just taught Trump that they will fold under pressure. That’s the kind of lesson he remembers.

But it’s worth keeping this in perspective: The shutdown was a skirmish, not the real battle. Both sides were fighting for position, and Democrats, if you look at the polls, are ending up in a better one than they were when they started. They elevated their best issue—health care—and set the stage for voters to connect higher premiums with Republican rule. It’s not a win, but given how badly shutdowns often go for the opposition party, it’s better than a loss.

Ezra would have continued the shutdown even as people suffered. On the other hand:

What happened isn't a win, he said, but it's better than a loss. That's the way the column ended. 

On Morning Joe, Joe Scarborough said there was nothing more Democrats could hope to get out of an extended shutdown. He said they had already won the standoff by giving the electorate a chance to see President Trump behaving an undisguised ogre with respect to nutrition assistance and to subsidies for health insurance.

We're inclined to agree with that view. Thanks to Mediaite, here's part of Scarborough's discussion this morning with Senator King (I-Maine).

Some people are responding to the "cave" by the ten Democrats with a great deal of fury. We would offer this:

Those of us in Bue America bought this deal when we did the various things that made Election 2024 turn out the way it did. When we kept pretending that the southern border was closed. When we kept failing to explain what was occurring at the border. When we kept pretending that something seemed to be wrong with President Biden.

When we kept pretending that complaints about inflation and the cost of living were delusions on the part of the voters. When we kept pushing for some of the social justice issues which, rightly or wrongly, went well beyond anything that made sense to a large percentage of American voters.

When we kept pushing and pushing and looking for ways to get Candidate Trump locked up. We kept ignoring the interests of regular people as we invested ourselves in that project.

Under the circumstances, it's a miracle that Candidate Harris came as close as she did. It's a marker of how unpopular Candidate Trump actually wasbut we still managed to get him elected to the White House again, and he even emerged with narrow majorities in the Senate and the House.

No, the border wasn't secureand everyone knew that but us. In the process of pretending otherwise, we created the narrow but absolute power imbalance we're still stuck with today.

Democrats still have no particular power to stop the ogre-adjacent behavior being displayed by President Trump. Also this:

To this day, no one has tried to explain the policy at the southern border during the Biden years. No one has tried to explain, and no one has tried to apologize for all the arrogant dissembling in which we Blues were involved.

At this point, Blue America needs to find a voice the public will trust to explain the current situation involving the way the president is throwing lower-income people under the bus and into the cold. (We've advised you to pity the child with respect to the behavior of the current president.)

It will have to be a voice the American public will be inclined to trust. It might even help if it's a voice which can explain, and perhaps apologize for, our own tribe's unwise behavior during the past however many years.

The border was open and everyone knew it. We Blues were saying that it was secure. Everyone knew it wasn't secureeveryone except us!

Ezra's willing to let the suffering continue. Ezra is clearly a good, decent person. Is it possible that he's imaginably being a tiny bit cavalier, or that it might almost look that way to other good, decent people?

The woods are lovely, dark and deep. In our view, this isn't the easiest call.


57 comments:

  1. Quaker in a BasementNovember 10, 2025 at 3:08 PM

    Most (but not all) of the people I see yelling about Senate Dems "caving" were not being hurt by the shutdown. They're asking other people to stake their well-being to defy Trump.

    Folks gotta eat.

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  2. In my city, the BCBS regional office (Florida) fired 200 people, anticipating that the shutdown would end with the ACA subsidies disappearing, and with that the number of insured individuals will now drop by many thousands. So this business about Ezra Klein being willing to let people suffer is nonsense.

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  3. Wait a second, wasn't it your reptiloid party that caused the shutdown, thus "throwing lower-income people under the bus" (or whatever bullshit idiom you prefer)?

    You can blame The Donald all you want, but everyone knows it's your severe mental disorder, your TDS, talking.

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    1. anon 3:31 - the day you say something that is fair and objective will be very welcome - but not in sight yet. first - what's with this "reptiloid" bull shit? sounds like you've gone off the rails there. The dems rationale for not voting for the GOP plan was that the GOP plan would "throw lower-income people under the bus" - because their insurance premiums would skyrocket under the GOP budget plan. By now giving enough votes to end the shut-down, the dems are going along with the GOP plan that will let the premiums skyrocket. How is it that the GOP budget is not what will throw lower-income people "under the bus?"

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    2. 3:31 If it's an all you can eat smorgasbord of right wing bullshit you're offering up here, I'll pass. Enjoy the next 12 months.

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    3. "The dems rationale for not voting for the GOP plan was that the GOP plan would "throw lower-income people under the bus""

      Yeah, right. Keep believing it, oh faithful BlueAnone, and the Kingdom of Heaven will be yours.

      Meanwhile, your reptiloid bosses refusing to vote for the budget is causing people not getting food stamps. And that's the fact.

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    4. Useless Democrats can't even reduce the number of children Republicans rape annually, to less than a few tens of thousands.
      What next? Expecting them to help find the elusive (non-existent) Republican voter who isn't a bigot?

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    5. "Meanwhile, your reptiloid bosses refusing to vote for the budget is causing people not getting food stamps."

      Squeal louder, snowflake.

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    6. I sleep a lot easier knowing that G. Maxwell has been given a dog in prison and scheduled late night exercise workouts whatever that means.

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  4. For the life of me, I cannot understand why the Dems started the shutdown over the ACA subsidies in the first place.

    These subsidies (which were supposed to be "temporary" in the first place) were put to end by the Republicans "Big Beautiful Bill" that no Democrat voted for.

    So why not let peoples' Obamacare premiums skyrocket? If and when people complain, the Dems can say "Don't blame us. We didn't vote for this to happen to you. This is what happens when you elected Republicans to run things. Vote for us in 26."

    Instead, they shutdown the gov for 40 days and got absolutely nothing to show for it. Except to show how many illegals are getting SNAP benefits and why the hell are air traffic controllers employees of the federal government?

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    1. Reptiloid Democrats represent (and are paid by) medical insurance companies, that can only function with taxpayers' subsidy (so-called "ACA"). They do their reptiloid job, that's all.

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    2. So you are all good with the many billions in profits companies like Walmart make on the backs of employees that are only offered part time jobs with low wages and no health care or other benefits. You are supporting corporate welfare paid for by your taxes. On top of this the Republican crime family cuts the taxes these companies earn by not taking care of their employees. Their billions are our countries loss; and you a dumb mother sucker.

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    3. 7:32: Exactly. Corporate welfare is alive and extremely healthy.

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    4. Yes, ACA is a taxpayers subsidy to the medical insurance companies.

      Reptiloids changing the subject amounts to Reptiloids admitting that they lost the argument.

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    5. Democrats should have kept the government shutdown until the Republican voter who isn't a bigot is identified.
      What would be so wrong about never opening the government?

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    6. Mao,
      Enacting "MediCare for All" would crush the greedy Capitalist insurance companies, but Republicans won't enact it, because it would cost less and reduce the federal deficit.

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    7. So far none of the Soros-monkeys disputed that ACA is a taxpayers subsidy to medical insurance companies. Nice.

      It's good that one of the two parties refuses to continue this corrupt practice.

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    8. It is that you dipshit as you are well aware hatred of brown people will never allow universal healthcare in this country. But the ACA significantly lowered overall healthcare expenditures, eliminated penalties for preexisting conditions, and greatly expanded coverage. Apparently to too many brown people for your liking. You people are such stupid nasty assholes with no plans to make anything better.

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    9. Of course the Orange turd answer to screwing up the ACA is to do exactly that...
      "He’s also suggested sending money to Americans directly to help them purchase health insurance." Fucking idjits.

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  5. “They fear that their Republican colleagues… would abolish the filibuster.” That’s what the shutdown was about — preserving the filibuster. Both parties want it, because it prevents popular measures that their donors oppose.

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  6. One sad thing about the re-opening of government is that it solved no problems. The government will still be shut down at the end of January if the two parties fail to agree on a budget.

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    1. Another sad thing is fascist David in Cal.

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    2. Another sad thing is that Republicans have zero problem with child rape.

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    3. Where does the Bible say it’s wrong to rape a child?

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  7. The Dems needed to allow the shutdown last Spring when they had the some leverage since the Big Wrecking Ball bill wasn't yet enacted.

    Thus, with no leverage for this CR, they should've avoided the shutdown which, as it turned out, gained them nothing except promises from known liars.

    As for people suffering, with or with any shutdowns, it was a fait accompli when the TV prop fronting for Russell Vought and Stephen Miller was elected.

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    1. What fucking leverage? The orange menace just spends or doesn't spend as he pleases, fuck the Constitution.

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  8. Somerby explains today why he is a Republican. His reasoning is full of Fox misinformation.

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    1. It happens to so many unsuspecting olds. They tune into Fox to see what the fuss is all about and they end up brainwashed jagoffs and weirdos like the whole lot of them. Stay away from Fox old people, it will steal your soul. And anything left of your heart.

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    2. It happened to me. I was moderately progressive, but after a few hours of Fox News I was a convinced magat.

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  9. "MONDAY: Democrats still lack any significant power!"

    "What were Democrats Thinking?"

    These are not the ways liberals talk about their party. This is the way pundits for the New York Times discuss it, but they are working to help the right, not to help Democrats. We on the left are realizing that we have had enough of this empty nihilism, the chipping away of confidence in our party. This is not the way to win elections.

    Somerby keeps going back and rehashing Biden's border problem and Harris's insufficiencies as a candidate and that is not how Democrats win elections going forward. He doesn't even have accurate analyses of who voted for Harris for what reasons, and how close the election actually won, nor does he have the right information about the wins last week. He is rehashing right wing talking points and repeating what the mainstream media (now allied with the right) is saying, and that stuff is not true.

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    1. No better way to stop the influx of immigrants than to kill the economy. Biden fixed it, Trump twice wrecked it, so it is what it is.

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    2. Biden did the same things as Trump with the same results. Now Trump is pretending migrants are invaders in order to use Federal troops in US cities, against protesters, citizens and anyone they target. If Somerby supports that, there is something seriously wrong with him.

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  10. How many immigrants should the US allow in and what types of skills should they have? Have either party stated a clear answer to this simple question?

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    1. Keep in mind that most Americans are too lazy and stupid to do any useful work. About 1/3 of all college students major in business. Enough said.

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    2. This is not a good destination for emigrants.

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    3. Our congress passed legislation describing our immigration and asylum policies. Trump ignores them.

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    4. Glaucon X,
      40 million per year, at least.

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    5. Let me google it for you, 7:01:

      "AI Overview
      The US sets annual immigration quotas, with the current overall cap being 675,000 permanent immigrant visas distributed among family-sponsored, employment-based, and diversity visa categories. Immediate relatives of U.S. citizens (spouses, parents, and children under 21) are exempt from these numerical limits. There is no numerical limit on the number of refugees or individuals granted asylum, though these programs have other restrictions."

      Satisfied? It's amazing what one can get with an internet search engine.

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    6. As many as are stupid enough to gift the orange felon $5million apparently.

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    7. 6:47 - that clearly is not what Glaucon X is asking.

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    8. Then Glaucon X asked the wrong question.

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  11. The Cleveland Guardians rig pitches in collusion with gamblers. The Cleveland Indians never had this problem.

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    1. The Cleveland Indians had pitching problems.

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    2. Black Sox bitches, who coulda predicted betting on the outcome of an individual pitchers pitch could lead to this??? So much fucking stupid in the puke funnel. It's enshittifyingly horribleness.

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  12. Anyone else notice Trump never sues anyone for calling him a child rapist?

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    1. Explaining to 80-year olds how discovery works, has saved a lot of time-wasting in our courts.

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    2. The Supremes will save Trump from discovery.

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  13. If Trump wins his suit against the BBC for editing his speeches, someone should sue this country's media for sane-washing Trump's speeches to make them look like they aren't the deranged rantings of an Adderall-addled dementia patient, who reads notes from KKK meetings.

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    1. As you know Trump DID sue CBS 60 MINUTES for sane-washing Harris — and CBS settled.

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    2. How does playing her entire interview formatted to fit on three different shows = sane washing? I still feel CBS did her dirty by cutting her weakest response - on Gaza being genocided by evil Bibi, into two separate shows with shitty answers. God you people are morans.

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    3. "As you know Trump DID sue CBS 60 MINUTES for sane-washing Harris — and CBS settled."

      And Paramount Global, of which CBS is a part, was seeking FCC approval to merge with Skydance Media.

      You inadvertently omitted that part of the story.

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  14. This is great. Crazy lunatic King Orange Lucifer is going to give me $2000. But first he has to appeal to the corrupt SC6 to have the right to starve Americans. And then he has to appeal to the corrupt SC 6 to ask them to pretty please throw out his multiple verdicts holding him liable in the E.J. Carroll defamation trials. Such a busy busy man. Then he has to ponder the commutation of Ghislaine Maxwell, a convicted child sex trafficker, who Orange Chickenshit apparently never heard of.

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    1. It took nine hours over two days of interviews with one of Trump's personal lawyers, Todd Blanche, to convince Maxwell not to hang herself.

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  15. Fan Duels has the odds of the Republican Party officially denying the Holocaust in 2026 at 1:8 odds.

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  16. The shutdown was performative, as was the No Kings rally. Dems knew from the beginning that Reps could never agree to their terms. But, that's a victory for Dems. Even though they're out of power, , they found ways to keep their base riled up.

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