WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 12, 2025
...large parts of his shtick disappeared: By the numbers, Greg Gutfeld and Jesse Watters are the most-watched performers at the new-and-revised Fox News Channel.
At 5 p.m. Eastern, the towel-snapping, bro-aligned pair tend to dominate proceeding on The Five, the most-watched TV show in American "cable news." At 8 p.m. (Eastern), and then again at 10, they host their own eponymous prime-time shows—the nation's second- and third most-watched "cable news" programs.
A marked change in the corporate culture of the Fox News Channel has accompanied the rise of these new Red American stars. Here, for example, is a moment from yesterday's broadcast of The Five, with Harold Ford presiding:
FORD (11/11/25): Welcome back. People are now taking showers in complete darkness, and get this—psychologists say it might actually help you sleep better because the dim light gets you into sleep mode.
Greg, you have a strong opinion about this? Is this something that you do?
GUTFELD: This is another study done by men to protect men. Why would you shower in the dark? In case your wife walks in and you were doing something that wasn't involved in the showering process.
WATTERS, PERINO: [Laughter]
GUTFELD: "No, honey, this is good for my health. I'm showering in the dark."
With the rise of Gutfeld and Gutfeldism, the channel's former culture of "family values" has made way for a new focus on wayward or trangressive sexuality and an endless stream of "dick jokes." Then too, there's the endless stream of remarks by Gutfeld which seem to have an undisguised air of woman hatred.
In a somewhat sillier vein, Watters is becoming famous for his weird ruminations about the way real men should behave in public settings. How silly does this inanity get? Wikipedia offers this overview of this endlessly weird bit of "cable news" performance art:
Jesse Watters
[...]
Comments on masculinity
Watters has criticized former President Joe Biden for licking ice cream in public as "a grown man." He has instructed men on how they should wave and belittled those who grocery shop with their wives. In September 2024, Jesse Watters was criticized for comments he made on The Five regarding Minnesota Governor Tim Walz, who had shared a photo of himself drinking a milkshake with a paper straw. Watters mocked the image as an example of Walz's lack of masculinity because he used a straw which he claimed made women not like Walz because women like masculinity. He said that asking for a "vanilla shake" instead of a "vanilla ice cream shake" also makes men look weak. The remarks sparked backlash, with critics accusing Watters of promoting outdated gender norms and using a trivial moment to push political commentary. Governor Walz responded by defending the post and encouraging a focus on real issues rather than manufactured culture wars.
In March 2025, Watters listed his "five rules for men" on The Five–don't be that serious just be funny, don't eat soup in public, don't cross your legs, don't drink from a straw and don't wave simultaneously with two hands because men wave with one hand, not both hands at the same time. He added that one of the reasons you don't drink from a straw is the way your lips purse which is very effeminate...
Watters is 47 years old. As you can see by clicking that link, Wikipedia's compilation of this relentless inanity continues at length from there.
Watters may come across as weirdly silly with respect to his proclamations about modern masculinity. Gutfeld may seem less pleasant.
Gutfeld may seem less pleasant! Especially on his own Gutfeld! dhow, Gutfeld has conducted a long love affair with jokes like the one he delivered at 10:01 p.m. (Eastern) this Monday night:
GUTFELD (11/10/25): In Washington state, a large sea lion blocked traffic on a busy road. And I thought New York City was the only place with a sea lion problem.
[PHOTO of the five co-hosts of The View]
AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER, APPLAUSE]
"They'll even applaud the bad View jokes," the delighted host now said. At 10:02 p.m. (Eastern), he offered this crowd-pleasing chaser:
GUTFELD: In Ireland, reports of a lion on the lose turned out to be a dog with a fresh haircut.
I believe we have a picture.
[PHOTO of Rosie O'Donnell]
AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER, APPLAUSE]
On a virtually nightly basis, Gutfeld pleases his audience with jokes in which the five women of The View are compared to horses, cows, elephants, whales and all manner of "livestock."
O'Donnell is also a frequent target. Recent coarse remarks by the Fox News Channel's impish host have involved her gynecologist and also her therapist.
The rise of Gutfeld and Gutfeldism has involved a major change in the cultural landscape at the Fox News Channel. Some may approve of this cultural change. Others perhaps will not.
At this site, we're struck by the high degree of inanity in topic selection, wed to an endless array of comments which seem to reek of woman hatred. (Others have called this "misogyny.") Beyond that, Gutfeld's obsession with human body waste is another puzzling aspect of his pseudo-analytical stylings.
At this site, we're struck by the ugliness, and the relentless stupidity, of the Gutfeld cultural style. But even if the incessant tomfoolery strikes an observer as essentially harmless, the change in the cultural landscape at Fox is hard to miss—and the Fox News Channel is, by far, the most-watched and presumably, the most influential, of our three major "cable news" channels.
Presumably for that reason, Gutfeld and the Gutfeld! show have begun to attract a new degree of interest at the New York Times. In late September, the Times published a full-length profile of Kat Timpf, one of Gutfeld's pair of regular sidekicks on the Gutfeld! program.
Somewhat oddly in our view, the profile portrayed Timpf as a bit of a beleaguered feminist under attack from the Gutfeld! audience. The profile appeared beneath this dual headline:
A Baby. A Double Mastectomy. Many Opinions From Fox News Viewers.
Kat Timpf got pregnant, got breast cancer, then got back to work on the political comedy show “Gutfeld!”—all as a culture war brews over ambition, motherhood and women’s health.
Given Timpf's apparent lack of discomfort with the program's air of woman hatred, that fashioning struck us as somewhat odd. At any rate, the profile of Timpf has now been followed with a lengthy interview/profile of Gutfeld himself. The profile, written by David Marchese, was published online over the past weekend.
The interview / profile is slated to appears in this Sunday's New York Times Magazine. Headline included, the profile starts like this:
The Interview
Fox News Wanted Greg Gutfeld to Do This Interview. He Wasn’t So Sure.
Why can’t conservatives break through on late-night TV? For years, that was an open cultural question. The left, of course, had “The Daily Show” and “Last Week Tonight With John Oliver,” among others. Once the Trump era began, progressives could also point to hosts like Stephen Colbert, Jimmy Kimmel and Seth Meyers as being politically simpatico. The right had, well, no one.
That is, until Greg Gutfeld. Formerly a health and men’s magazine editor, Gutfeld joined Fox News in 2007 to helm the later-than-late-night chat free-for-all “Red Eye.” He worked his way up the network’s schedule, and in 2021 his new show, “Gutfeld!” started airing on weekday nights at 11 p.m. on the East Coast. (It’s now on at 10 p.m.) Its format is different from traditional host-driven late-night shows: Rather than interview celebrity guests, Gutfeld presides over a round table of regular panelists, among them the former professional wrestler Tyrus and the commentator Kat Timpf, the designated (occasional) contrarian. The overall vibe is insult-heavy, aggressively anti-woke and relentlessly pro-conservative. It’s a successful formula. The show averages over three million viewers a night—numbers that dwarf its competitors’.
Marchese is widely touted for his skill as an interviewer. For that reason, we were struck by some of the things he failed to report and discuss in this interview / profile hybrid.
Based on its viewership numbers, the Fox News Channel stands astride the "cable news" world as a modern colossus. It is therefore altogether fitting and proper that one of its most-watched performers is now being profiled by Blue America's most important newspaper.
That said, what kind of journalism is this, which may almost seem to go from bad to worse? Some of Marchese's effort in his interview / profile can perhaps be seen as enlightening. We were much more struck by the elements of Gutfeldism Marchese failed to directly report and thereby chose to disappear.
Gutfeld's style is "insult-heavy," Marchese correctly writes. One basic question would be this:
What keeps reporters at the Times from quoting his endless remarks?
Tomorrow: Weirdly wrong from the start
ReplyDelete"The overall vibe is insult-heavy, aggressively anti-woke and relentlessly pro-conservative. It’s a successful formula."
Sounds good to me. It's also super-easy, to make fun of woke idiot-liberals. Perfect business model.
Is there a negative side to it? You didn't say.
Trumptard! Go play with your Don Jr. action figure. Let the grownups have an adult conversation.
DeleteTrumptard plays with his own private action figure.
DeleteWilliam Fox, the studio’s original founder, would be mortified that his name has been attached to this garbage.
ReplyDeleteMembers of genus Vulpes are mortified.
DeleteThe New York Times is not Blue America's most important newspaper. Somerby insists on this mischaracterization, as if he were unaware of the changed climate in the media as Trump has applied pressure to his critics.
ReplyDeleteOkay. What is Blue America's most important newspaper?
DeleteThe corporate media are owned by oligarchs who support the right. It isn't as if each political perspective were assigned its own newspaper.
DeleteBlue American views are better reflected in independent media including podcasts, substack writers, internet bloggers and pundits. Heather Cox Richardson, Alternet, Thom Hartmann, Joyce Vance, Robert Reich, Pod Save America, David Pakman, Meidas Touch, Paul Krugman, Digby (Heather Parton), Amanda Marcotte, Marcy Wheeler, and many others.
I get my news reporting from Ground News, where the source and its political bias are identified. That is not true for the New York Times, much less the more blatantly red sources such as the conservative newspapers. Now that Trump has sued various media and they have capitulated, these alternative news sources are even more important. The inability of any media to challenge Trump with impunity has weakened the media that ALL citizens depend on for less biased reporting. Bari Weiss at CBS is a laughing stock. So, when Somerby keeps referring to the mainstream, corporate, legacy media as Blue America, he is just showing how out-of-touch he is with what the left is reading.
Delete"The corporate media are owned by oligarchs who support the right. "
And that's the Democrat party, Soros-financed "Blue America". What's the problem?
The New York Times excerpted the book Clinton Cash, a right wing hit piece against Hillary. It also crusaded against her by publishing numerous articles about her e-mails and Comey's letter. Their unbalanced reporting contributed to Hillary Clinton's loss to Trump. It was instrumental in the "Biden is too old" campaign that pushed him off his own ticket in 2024. It has normalized Trump's bizarre behavior and continues to ignore his dementia. Left leaning editorial writers have left the paper.
DeleteGeorge Soros has contributed to Democrat campaigns but it does not finance the Democratic Party. Here is what he does with his money (according to AI):
"George Soros uses his wealth to fund philanthropic efforts, primarily through his Open Society Foundations, which supports democracy, human rights, and justice globally. This includes grants for organizations fighting for freedom of expression, accountable government, and social justice, as well as for individuals and students who lack opportunities due to their identity or background. He has donated billions of dollars to these causes, including a $18 billion transfer in 2017 to the Open Society Foundations, bringing his total giving to over $32 billion. "
DeleteWe Soros-monkeys love Soros.
When you see Soros mentioned in a comment, it is the right wing's code word for Jewish Global Conspiracy, which is their belief that Jews run the world and are shoving white people aside, a Nazi White Supremacist view that has infected the right wing. Soros is no different than Bill Gates, Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerburg, the Kochs, or any other billionaires using their money to support the causes they consider important.
DeleteI agree that there is too much billionaire and corporate money in American politics, distorting the will of the people in favor of specific interests, often being wielded to increase individual wealth, not to benefit humanity. I would like to see a law enacted that overturns the Citizens United court decision.
Blue America consists of all of the left wing political voices, including voters. When Somerby refers to corporate media as Blue America, he is not only incorrect but presents a misleading picture of what the left (in its multitude of views) is doing in our country.
Trump gave the corporations who own the media a HUGE tax break, so they could be more liberal and work against him.
DeleteThat just shows how smart, and not full of shit, the Right is.
DeleteWhen I first became a retarded Soros-monkey, I gave a solemn oath to defend my new master George Soros from all his enemies, foreign and domestic.
DeleteWasn't Soros faithfully working for the Nazis in Nazi-occupied Budapest?
Seems like an odd figure to represent the Global Cabal of Reptiloids you seem to have so much knowledge about.
No, this is a right wing lie. According to AI:
Delete"No, the claim that George Soros worked for the Nazis in Budapest is false. George Soros and his family are Jewish and survived the Holocaust in Nazi-occupied Hungary by using false identity papers and hiding their background.
During the Nazi occupation of Hungary, which began in 1944 when Soros was 13 years old, his father obtained false Christian identity papers for the family to avoid deportation to concentration camps. Soros was sent to live with a Hungarian Ministry of Agriculture official who posed as his Christian godfather. On one occasion, the official took Soros with him to take an inventory of a confiscated Jewish-owned property, a detail which has been misrepresented by conspiracy theorists as collaboration.
Key facts that debunk the claim:
Soros is Jewish and a Holocaust survivor.
He was a teenager (ages 13-15) during the Nazi occupation and World War II, too young to have joined any Nazi or SS forces, which was for men aged 16-17 and older.
His family actively resisted and helped other Jews survive by procuring false documents.
A widely circulated photo claimed to be a young George Soros in a Nazi uniform is actually a picture of Oskar Groening, a convicted SS bookkeeper from the Auschwitz concentration camp.
He was not involved in the confiscation of Jewish goods and did not round up Jewish people. In fact, his father instructed him not to tell people on a list of names to report for deportation, as was demanded by the Jewish council (Judenrat) the Nazis forced to do their bidding.
Claims that Soros collaborated with the Nazis are unfounded conspiracy theories that have been widely debunked by multiple credible sources, including Reuters, The Associated Press, and The Washington Post."
@11:20 repeats the canard that criticism of Soros is related to antisemitism. Some people will say anything, as long as it's negative. Judaism is an not really a part of Soros's identity or beliefs. I've read his books. He seems to have his own personal philosophy. Also, where are these faux defenders of Jews when Stephen Miller or Netanyahu are being blasted? When I was young, antisemitism was mostly right-wing. Today's antisemitism is biggest in the far left.
DeleteLeft-wing antisemitism is mostly found among highly educated. It's big on universities. Right-wing anti-Semitism is more often found among the uneducated. These people never heard of George Soros.
DeleteGeorge Soros definitely worked for the Nazis in Nazi-occupied Budapest. He was a courier for "Jewish council", a Nazi agency. That's a fact.
Not that I blame him. But, again, he's an odd figure to represent the Global Cabal of Reptiloids you have so much knowledge about.
David, show us some of this far-left antisemitism. And remember that opposition to Israeli crimes is not antisemitism.
DeleteWhile retarded Corby is nowhere near any Left (let alone "far-left"), her insistence (@11:20) that Soros -- a billionaire currency speculator spending billions on political means to achieve his currency speculation ends -- represents what she calls "Jewish Global Conspiracy" certainly sounds antisemitic.
DeleteSoros did not work for Nazis, but plenty of Americans did - Prescott Bush and Henry Ford are two prominent ones, but many Americans and American companies supported the Nazis and funded them (if you really want to dig into it, research about Brown Brothers Harriman and their lawyers at Sullivan & Cromwell).
DeleteIndeed, Fred Trump was not just supportive of the KKK, he was also a member of the Nazi supporting German American Bund. Unsurprisingly then, Donald Trump is an admirer of Hitler (before JD Vance sold his soul he called Trump "America's Hitler"), and notably said the angry mob chanting "Jews will not replace us" were "good people".
Out of desperation, these trolls attempt to falsely claim those on the left are antisemitic, but it is merely an obvious ploy to deflect from their own antisemitism.
Soros did work for the Nazis. As an employee, a courier.
DeletePrescott Bush and Henry Ford did not work for the Nazis.
@12:10
Delete1. Go the the link https://www.campusreform.org/article/princeton-hires-professor-denied-oct-7-massacre-teach-course-gaza/28925
2. In practice, almost all criticism of Israel is based on antisemitism. Double standards are bigotry. When blacks had to pass special tests in order to vote. When women in the workplace are criticized for things for which men are given a pass. And, when Israel is criticized based on standards not applied to other countries, that's antisemitism.
The difference in standards is gross. E.g., ethnic cleansing. Arabs are full citizens in Israel. They vote, hold office, etc. OTOH hundreds of thousands of Christians and Jews are being driven out of Arab lands.
Israel is accused of "crimes" that are not war crimes, while war crimes committed by its enemies are ignored. The intentional use of civilian shields is a war crime. Yet, Israel is often blamed for civilian casualties when Palestinians have intentionally sited their military in civilian areas, in hospitals, in schools, etc. E.g., international law permits attacking a hospital is being used for military purposes. Yet, Israel is demonized for attacking its enemy where they chose to be.
So far-left antisemitism is opposition to Israeli crimes.
DeleteFar-left antisemitism includes accusing Israel of "war crimes" that are not actually war crimes. Far-left antisemitism also includes ignoring the many real war crimes being committed by other countries and regimes.
DeleteHave you noticed that no one is adhering to Trump's cease-fire any more?
DeleteSome people celebrate the failure of Trump's cease-fire, even though it means that thousands of men, women and children will die. The important thing for them is that Trump not have a success.
DeleteI judge Trump on his actions (his complete failure to end the MidEast conflict), not on his promises, which are "just words".
DeleteHow about you David in Cal? How do you judge Trump?
This criminal felon who you voted for is stealing money with both hands. He just stole the Resolute Desk from the Oval Office and put in his Mara Lago.
DeleteEvery fucking day he pardons criminals and threatens Americans. He calls us crazy for worrying about the state of the economy. And then he gets Arabs to stuff money down his pants.
He has completely destroyed the Justice Department. He fires career prosecutors for doing their jobs. He has loaded up the DOJ with his former lawyers. Career prosecutors and either fired or forced to resign because they won't participate in his criminal abuse of the justice department. He ignores and disobeys multiple court orders and runs to his favorite corrupt SC6 every time.
What the fuck are you worried about, Dickhead, you fascist freak?
I'm with you, @1:46. I judge Trump, and all politicians, by their actions and, more importantly, by their results. Past Presidents failed to end the animosity between Israel and its neighbors. That includes Biden, Bush, Obama, etc. Trump actually has a slim chance of achieving this result. If he fails, that's no worse than the other Presidents.
DeleteTrump already out did his predecessors in the middle east. He accomplished one remarkable result -- the Abraham Accords. And, it was just announced that another country will join the Abraham Accords -- Kazakhstan.
Snopes says Trump did not move the Resolute Desk from Oval Office to Mar-a-Lago. Yet.
DeleteHey Dickhead, fuck off you fascist freak. Saying Bibi is doing Arab genocide in Gaza is not antisemitic. Just a fact. Noting that armed Jews continue to oust Arab West Bank Arabs out of their homes is another fact, even though they are "full citizens." And Soros cash and influence is a drop in the bucket to the guy who actively supported Nazis in recent German elections (with Vance), and supported fascists like you in America with well over $320 billion. So fuck off with the stupid you fascist jaggoff.
DeleteTrump already out did his predecessors in the middle east. Get back to us when Israeli settlers stop stealing land and homes in the West Bank.
DeleteSometimes a lower court makes a wrong decision. Then, it's appropriate to appeal that decision. When the SC ratifies that appeal, it confirms that the lower court decision was indeed incorrect. This is the normal Court process, not disobeying the Courts.
DeleteIt's every fucking time, Dickhead. Not "sometimes", you fascist freak
DeleteWhat's every fucking time, @2:45? I think you're saying that a lot of lower court decisions are being overruled by the higher courts, including the SC. I agree. That's because so many of these lower court actions, most TRO's, are not legally correct. Dems choose a biased or incompetent judge to issue an injunction that frustrates the President's legal actions.
DeleteWas the tariffs case overruled by a higher court, you fucking fascist freak. Go take a flying fuck, fascist freak
DeleteI don't understand this comment. The SC hasn't yet acted on the Tariffs case.
Delete"I judge Trump, and all politicians, by their actions and, more importantly, by their results."
DeleteIs piggish behavior a 'result'? Graft, corruption, are they results? Extra-judicial murder?
Well, you fucking fascist freak, the SC actually did rule when they denied Biden the ability to forgive student loan debt, you fuckface lying sack of shit.
DeleteHow has Watters escaped noticing Trump's oddly feminine preoccupation with redecorating the White House? Aren't interior decorators considered less masculine by those obsessed with being manly, the ball-tanning crowd on the right?
ReplyDeleteThe effect of his redecorating is to make the Oval Office look like a whorehouse which is a pretty brilliant metaphor for how he governs, so maybe he's telling us who he is.
DeleteNothing better than taping pieces of paper to the wall like a regular demented old dipshit to help him find where his office is.
Delete“GUTFELD: In Ireland, reports of a lion on the lose turned out to be a dog with a fresh haircut.
ReplyDeleteI believe we have a picture.”
[PHOTO of Rosie O'Donnell]”
Gutfeld stole this bit from this guy:
https://www.tiktok.com/@garron_music/video/7568947968322342146
Gutfeld's "joke" isn't about the dog being mistaken for a lion, but the slam of Rosie O'Donnell. The guy you linked to said nothing about O'Donnell or anyone else being a dog/lion. You are missing Gutfeld's point
DeleteRosie O'Donnell is so ugly, if she were a five-year old, only 80% of the Republican Party be sexually attracted to her.
DeleteNow THAT'S ugly.
Anonymouse 10:57am, oh, that’s just brilliant. Gutfeld puts comedian Garron’s joke in service to dissing Rosie O’Donnell and even uses the same dog picture, but I’m missing the point…
Delete
DeleteWe Soros-monkeys hate dogs, but we love Rosie.
Cecelia, the joke was about Rosie, not the dog/lion. He always makes mean jokes about Democratic women, not Irish animals. Why don't you let it go?
DeleteI’m an Irish animal, and I love Cecelia.
DeleteThe man pretending to be a woman (Cecelia) getting tripped up by dog-identity, is my morning chuckle. Thank you!
DeleteAnonymouse 12:13pm, of course the joke was about Rosie. However, it was was originally a comedy bit that was stolen by Gutfeld and the only thing that was changed was the target.
DeleteAnonymouse 12:13pm, no one cares or is surprised that you identify as a dog.
DeleteYou self-own like others breathe, your self-hatred is so palpable, it is heart breaking. Excuse me while I cry.
DeleteIt wasn't originally a comedy bit. It was a news report of a mistaken lion sighting. That happens from time to time:
Delete"A Newfoundland dog named Mouse was reported as a "lion" in Ireland after a video of it with a lion-like haircut went viral, sparking an investigation by the Irish police. The dog was located in County Clare, and the confusion was resolved after the police identified it."
I am Fido. I love Cecelia. Fourteen year old girls are beautiful. Not fourteen year old female dogs. Fourteen year old female humans. They are so pretty, so graceful, so vivacious! Cecelia is far past that stage of life, but I love her just as much.
DeleteWhy would you love someone who is past the age of being attractive? Such women are just for laughing at not loving. Gutfeld shows us that every day. So does Trump's treatment of his wives. He thinks trophy wives are for loving. Even Melania is too old now to get his motor going.
DeleteBut a potty full of poop gets his motor going.
DeleteI love Cecelia. I love David, too.
Deletehttps://youtube.com/shorts/hcSWo1DdmWo?si=YiOtU_qbmjFDAms3
ReplyDeleteHave you ever seen an Irish Wolfhound? They are very big dogs, bigger than a Great Dane. It was the haircut that suggested lion, not the size of the animal.
DeleteBunk.
DeleteAnyone else miss truth?
DeleteYou don't know that wolfhounds are really big Irish dogs? Why would you say "bunk" over a fact so easily verified?
DeleteAnonymouse 11:51pm, Gutfeld’s “joke” is about Rosie’s weight and build, AND you can throw in hair style… if you wish...
DeleteJD loves a couch, Cecelia loves a bunk.
DeleteRosie is more trim and fit by a mile than Trump, the lack of self awareness on the part of Republicans is nearly a laugh.
DeleteBut it's really a cry.
Anonymouse 12:07, top or bottom?
DeleteSo, you think Rosie deserves such jokes because of her appearance? There's that wonderful right wing empathy again. Also, the idea that women should strive to meet social standards for apperance because their main function is as eye candy (sex objects) for other people to look at.
DeleteRosie O'Donnell is 63 years old. Increasingly, the media and cosmetics industry has tried to convince women that even those approaching old age must always look young and "attractive" via cosmetic surgery, hair products and cosmetics, trendy young-looking clothes and by staying thin. Gutfeld's jokes are ultimately aimed at imposing that standard on all women by singling out Rosie O'Donnell and mocking her in ways others would not want to happen to them. It is oppression with a political bias, but ultimately all women are supposed to meet those standards imposed by unappealing guys with no sex appeal, such as Gutfeld. He can then feel superior to women simply by being critical without having to worry about his own appearance.
And you buy into this? That is yet another reason why I suspect that you are not female. What woman joins men in imposing such an unrealistic standard on their gender?
DeleteEvery time her name is uttered on any tv show (including FoxNews, of course) Rosie O'Donnell is happy as a clam. And that's a fact.
Anonymouse 12:35pm, you’re not good at pretending that someone said something that they didn’t. You have years of failing at that with the blogger, let alone a commenter.
DeleteSo, you don't laugh when Gutfeld makes such jokes? Pull the other leg.
DeleteI don't think it is funny that Trump is obese and grossly out of shape and has a multitude of health issues and struggles to go up and down stairs, etc. It is not funny, that the man needs someone to care about him enough to be concerned about his health. Trump is surrounded by ghouls wanting to exploit him and hoping for his demise so they can fill the power void. Trump bravely tries to keep a smile on his face, but you know it is killing him inside, how even his closest allies couldn't care less about his deteriorating condition. Trump has recently been ruminating about not going to Heaven, he is clearly terrified of what he is facing and no one around him is offering any tenderness or caring support.
DeleteThere is a lot of truth in this, but given Trump's deteriorating cognition, he may not be as aware of his situation as you suggest. It takes some frontal lobe functioning to worry about what others are thinking or to place motives in other people's minds, so he may be less aware of the ghouls around him, which will lead to mistakes when he places trust in untrustworthy people. He has delusions for comfort.
DeleteAnonymouse 12:49pm, laugh? My point is that Gutfeld co-opted another comedian’s material. I’m sure he’d thank you for defending him in that, but Gutfeld would understand that your purpose is only to ridiculously yell “up” when your blogboard targets say “down”.
Delete"So, you don't laugh when Gutfeld makes such jokes? Pull the other leg."
DeleteI'd laugh if Gutfeld fell down a flight of stairs face-first into a bucket of poop. Does that count?
The only thing more gross than Mara Lago face is Cecelia face.
DeleteAnonymouse 2:14pm, now see…that’s just angry, it’s not funny. You should have said that the only thing more gross than Cecelia’s face is her face when I’m sober.
DeleteCecelia’s face is beautiful. So is her arse.
DeleteCecelia's ass is where she gets her "facts".
DeleteTriggered, Hillary?
DeleteTriggered like Republican, Tyler Robinson.
DeleteIs that your Soros-monkey daddy, Soros-monkey?
DeleteSomeone trained in Freudian analysis might wonder whether Trump's obsessive pursuit of women (including his participation in Epstein's trafficking of young girls) is not an over-reaction to his own attraction to men coupled with a desire for male approval (withheld by his daddy). He sees women as objects to be shown off, to make other men jealous and respectful of his ability to attract beautiful companions. Being largely uninterested in women sexually and lacking motivation to pursue them, Trump took the easy way of acquiring female company by purchasing or taking them by force or coercion (not wooing them). His goal was to gain admiration in men's eyes, a male audience, not to benefit from female companionship. Epstein provided such an audience, gave him approval for his abuse of women, and provided a wider male circle to admire his activities with girls and women. They were his surrogate father figures, reflecting his paid-for prowess.
ReplyDeletePart of Trump's tragedy is that he sought his own daughter in his various acquired women, while she both teased and rejected him (we assume). Epstein's girls may have been his displacement of his desire for Ivanka, psychologically speaking. But he couldn't forget that they were not her. Trump's competition with Epstein to have sex with other men's wives, was about Epstein's opinion of him, not about the wives or the sex.
What wife would stay with a husband once she realized his lack of interest in her? The money only kept his wives around for so long, then they each left him because of his infidelities and mistreatment of them. Trump's tragedy is that he was always pursuing the love and admiration of other men, not the women he used to make other men admire and envy him. It is also that he wears his sexual ambivalence on his sleeve for the whole country to see.
The men whose approval Trump seeks are the ones presenting with a hyper-sexualized persona themselves. Epstein, of course, but also guys like Hegseth, Vance, Patel, and the other square-jawed man's men wannabes in his inner circle. Yes, Trump has other heroes like Putin and Orban, but the dynamic is again approval-seeking on Trump's part from withholding men who consider Trump a weakling and pathetic figure who cannot measure up. Just as his father considered him.
The real tragedy is that Trump's problems are being worked out in real time via the lives of the American people. Because cruelty is being defined as part of masculinity (and was modeled by Trump's father), we the people are made to suffer so that Trump's designated father figures will occasionally smile at him, as he always wished his daddy would do.
Anonymouse 11:47am, if Somerby could book you on a news show, he’d do it today.
DeleteCecelia is being careful about timestamps, and I like that.
DeleteAnonymouse 11:53am, not for long.
DeleteBandy Lee was on David Pakman's podcast. Crickets from Somerby about that.
DeleteI doubt Somerby has any use for theories about toxic masculinity, homosexuality, and its prevalence among Nazis in Hitler's Germany and now among incels and white supremacists on the right. The right wing has always been the home of male perverted sexuality. Lots of studies supporting that idea. It may be why the right also avoids both psychology and psychiatry (not to mention psychoanalysis).
DeleteSomerby has been abusing the DSM for his own political purposes, but it is pretty clear he knows very little about mind, brain and behavior and very little about social psychology, developmental psychology (odd for an elementary school teacher) and relationships. He is very enamored of using psychological terms as name-calling but hasn't bothered to read anything that would help him understand himself or guys like Trump.
Anonymouse 11:57am, that was days ago. Where were you?
DeleteCecelia, nobody’s perfect, but if you keep trying you’ll keep improving.
DeleteAnonymouse 12:02pm, Bob isn’t offering himself up as an expert on a network news shows. He complains that the media won’t feature mental health experts to talk about some psychological conditions that the public could recognize as being indicative of Trump. Anonymices howl at him for that, you fraud.
DeleteAnonymouse 12:05pm, nah. Perfection isn’t what it’s cracked up to be.
DeleteDr Lee has been routinely featured on Meidas Touch, one of the largest media outlets on Youtube - dwarfing the audience of cable news, for several years.
Deletewomp womp
Anonymouse 12:17pm, right, why have a guest on cable news when a podcast with Bandi should be enough. Is that your argument? That’s certainly different from the one you make against Bob when he advocates tv news show discussion on that subject.
DeleteIf you media went around saying that Trump has diabetes and a heart condition, without any evidence, would they be right to do that? Psychiatric diagnoses are no different.
DeleteThe cable news media applies journalistic ethics to their content. Podcasts apply editorial standards because they are essentially opinion not news. Somerby has never understood the distinction. Comedy has yet another set of standards. Bandy Lee's opinions about Trump (she has never tested him or interviewed him diagnostically) are not exactly news, since she has been saying this stuff since 2015. Cable news perhaps wants content that is more topical. There are several neuropsychologists floating around who could talk about Trump's worsening dementia, but evidence suggests cable news doesn't want to remove Trump, the way they wanted Biden to be pushed off his ticket. Somerby never suggests that. He just complains that stuff is "disappeared," never saying why or what we should do about it. Know what else is disappeared? Changes in ice cream flavors at the grocery store. Tesla repair costs. Preference for dog breeds this year (are wolfhounds finally in?). Trends in male fashion. All of the info you get on lefty substacks and podcasts that never gets mentioned on cable news. A liberal might complain about that and wonder how CNN and MSNBC can possible be liberal when there is so little overlap in coverage between them and the actual lefty media.
Anonymouse 12:44pm, ranting illogical “heads you lose/tails I win” tripe as always. Bob has consistently wanted the media to discuss Trump’s mental health and news shows certainly do know how to frame up an opinion as being an opinion or as an impersonal discussion and about which the public can come to its own conclusions. THAT can be done. Your problem is that you’re out to get Somerby and you have to bend like a pretzel to do it. But you’re up for that and that’s more than a bit of twisted psychology, to put it mildly.
DeleteWe don't need Freud to analyze that men tend to pursue women. It's entirely routine that males pursue females, even among non-human species.
DeleteYou cannot ethically diagnose someone you have not examined. A psychiatrist or clinical psychologist would lose their license for doing so. The APA (American Psychological Association) also has rules governing TV psychologists. That is why they all say they are commenting for entertainment purposes. Cable news perhaps doesn't want to interview someone who is unable to make strong statements.
DeleteI dislike Somerby and have no problem saying so. I have never met him and do not know him personally, so my dislike arises from the things he has written here. I have as much right to an opinion about that as anyone else here, including you. It is not "twisted" to have likes and dislikes. You seem to want everyone else to share your likes and that isn't going to happen, even if I were to stop commenting here.
Homosexuality is routine even among non human species, and bisexuality is even more prevalent.
DeleteIt is well established that many of those on the right suffer from suppressing their own sexuality, this struggle then manifests via hatred for those that are openly gay or bisexual.
"Homosexuality is routine even among non human species, and bisexuality is even more prevalent."
DeleteOn the planet of shape-shifting alien Reptiloids.
1:25,
DeleteIs that what they teach you at your Antifa meetings?
Anonymousec1:03pm, you certainly have a right to your opinion, but it’s obvious that your job is to go after Bob. Your opinion is suspect because you have 100% record of never having a cordial thing to say about him. What are the odds that regular commenter would never have the occasion to say “Good point, Somerby!” I’ve never once seen that with your merry band of mices. Bottomline- cut your disingenuous crap.
DeleteI like Bob.
DeleteI'd like a bob or 2 myself, but money's tight these days. Probably the tariff.
Delete"What keeps reporters at the Times from quoting his endless remarks?"
ReplyDeleteBetter question: why is our esteemed host obsessively peddling Gutfeld pornography ?
Cecelia’s Old Man, because Bob thinks it’s a disgrace and that the broader media should sound an alarm.
Delete"Bob thinks..." Cecelia has no idea what Bob thinks or even if he thinks anything at all. This is more Somerby whispering. I don't think I've ever seen Somerby use the word "disgrace" by the way. Sound what alarm? Does anyone think the right wing is unaware of Trump's dementia? They are the ones covering for him in order to continue the grift.
DeleteLook at the projection involved in saying that Biden wasn't really in charge of his administration. This is true for Trump. Yesterday, Stephen Miller jokingly asked "who is in charge here" while Trump was sleeping through a meeting and everyone went "sssshhhhhh!"
Because Trump keeps falling in the polls, dragging down the entire Republican Party.
DeleteNot just Bob, but anyone that supports Republicans and their policies should be sounding the alarm; the ship is sinking and we can only save the ship by throwing off the dead weight.
Anonymouse 12:48pm, actually Bob writes what he thinks. It’s anonymices who put that into the context of religious sacrilege. Daily. Anonymices love their “Bob seems…”, “it appears that Bob..,” and then they simultaneously denounce anyone who doesn’t take their opinion as absolute gospel.
DeleteCecelia's defense against mind-reading Somerby is that others do it too? Her mommy would tell her "two wrongs don't make a right."
Delete"It appears that" and "it seems" are not the same as saying "Bob thinks..."
Cecelia appears to be a non-native English speaker so such nuances may be beyond her understanding. Who here has ever denounced anyone who doesn't take their opinion as gospel? Talk about made-up ridiculousness!
Anonymouse 1:07pm, no one has to mind-read Bob. We’ve been reading him for years and you’re still falling into pits because you dont pay attention.
DeleteCecelia, can you tell us why Bob provides an option for commenters to be anonymous?
DeleteAnonymouse 1:39pm, because he lets you make that choice. He’s not countering commenters on a blogboard. His message is to the media.
Delete12:25 - have some more kool-aid.
DeletePicking on Fox news is useless endeavor. Its actually good that Fox news and talk radio are there to show us the mentality of the people would wish to degrade society. To help create a population of minions to the rich and to the most despicable religious hucksters. Idiocy is required to create their theocratic plutocracy.
ReplyDeleteAmen
DeleteThis. Spot on.
DeleteWhy are you here then?
DeleteWe Democrats are already arrogant idiots, why should Others be different?
DeleteBut Fox is not enough. They should be forced to watch MSNBC.
I am here to let people know Cecelia is a man pretending to be a woman.
DeleteTell us more.
DeleteAnd anonymouse 2:28pm, would know…. now go work on your cellulite, baby.
Delete@2:28 - you get a peek under his skirt?
DeleteCecelia is playing "uproar" today. Anyone remember the bestseller "Games People Play?"
ReplyDeleteAgree, he is just a troll trying to trigger others. Best to ignore him, nothing about him (or the other trolls) is genuine anyways.
DeleteAnonhmouse 1:17pm, uh huh…
DeleteYou can tell Mao is a fake, because he's not drooling all over himself about child rape.
DeleteFreud would say that commenters referring to Cecelia as a man are overcompensating for their own gender confusion by projecting it onto an Other.
DeleteSpeaking of President's who raped children, funny how today's revelations about the child raping President are not mentioned here. Also too, surprise, surprise, Johnson has Nancy "I made my career as a women who was sexually attacked" Mace who will fall in line on the Epstein vote. With Dems moving out to new positions Johnson will be able to bury the lead for many more months. Sick fucks, the whole lot of you supporting this vile trash.
DeleteWe Soros-monkeys are perverts with weirdest fantasies.
DeleteEpstein alleged that Trump 'spent hours' with one of his victims, as thousands of documents released
DeleteAs a troll, I can confirm that I am insecure about my identity. That’s why I have no nym.
DeleteKing Donny McRapey scrambling to hold emergency meeting to hold DOJ's Epstein files. You gotta be fucking depraved to continue to defend this hideous person
ReplyDelete"The whistleblower told Democrats that one of the top officials at the prison has complained that he is “sick of having to be Maxwell’s b*tch.”
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