WEDNESDAY: "Only when we share the same facts..."

WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 19, 2025

But how can we hope to do that? Given the journalistic and cultural chaos within which our nation now flounders and flails, what sorts of problems would "brilliant [political / cultural] writing" surely have to address?

It's as we've noted in the past two days. In this interview with the New York Times, Tina Brown said that there surely must be some "brilliant writing" out there. But she said it can be hard to find, given all the dreck and the dross which "comes careening at you" under current arrangements.

Under the weight of current arrangements, we're not sure that any "brilliant writing" is actually out there! Consider Clark Hoyt's new essay in The Atlantic.

As part of a long journalistic career, Hoyt performed brilliantly in his three years as New York Times public editor, a stint which started in June 2007. As a tribute to ignoring water which has spilled over the dam, we won't revisit the long-overdue, aggressive critique he directed at one major New York Times columnist.

Hoyt is highly experienced and highly capable. That said, it seems to us that he skips a major beat in the key rumination with which he ends his new essay. The passage in question starts as shown, dual headline included:

Why Trump Gets Away With It
The institutional checks that got the country through Watergate are far weaker now.

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Many explanations have been offered for how we got here, among them the hollowing-out of the middle class, which left millions of Americans angry and disillusioned with the political system and ready for a Trump to tear it down; a broad collapse of trust in virtually all institutions, including the news media; a president who stirs culture wars in an ever more polarized society, while diverting attention away from the threat he poses to democracy. For Trump, politics isn’t about principle or serious public policy. It’s entertainment—getting and holding attention through any means possible.

I’m not prescient enough to know if we will return to a healthier society with a properly functioning federal government. The most recent election results, which featured high turnout and led to Democrats sweeping into state offices in Virginia, New Jersey, and even Mississippi and Georgia, suggest that a backlash against Trumpism is under way. But one thing that my long career as a journalist tells me is that restoring civility and community will require rebuilding a trusted news system.

We need to rebuild "a trusted news system," Hoyt perhaps sensibly says. But as he continues directly, it seems to us that he blows past a very large obstacle which stands in the way of that goal:

Local media should be a particular focus. National media may have their problems with trust, but local news, where engagement with community and the larger world begins, is disappearing altogether. Over the past two decades, according to the State of Local News Project at Northwestern University’s Medill School of Journalism, nearly 40 percent of all local newspapers have shut down, leaving 50 million Americans with little or no reliable news about their communities. That includes Friday-night high-school football scores, official decisions at city-commission meetings, and data about local crime. The result is that people are disengaged from their communities. Politics is more polarized, voter turnout in local elections is lower, and fewer public officials are held accountable. Some initiatives are trying to fill the gap. The American Journalism Project, for example, gives grants to local nonprofit news organizations, helps communities start new outlets, and provides coaching for newsroom leaders.

Only when we share the same facts can we begin to have a healthy debate about what they mean and what should be done about them. And then, hopefully, we can start rebuilding the other institutions that have undergirded our democracy for nearly two and a half centuries, and that got us through the Watergate years...

We need to return to a world in which "we share the same facts," Hoyt says. But in that passage, Hoyt focuses on local media while blowing right past the enormous problem afflicting national media.

We refer to the so-called "democratization of media," and to the practice called "segregation by viewpoint." Almost surely, we will never return to a world in which Americans largely "share the same facts" as long as major media entities are devoted to the practice of preaching to one particular choir, while refusing to share the valid points being advanced by the other political tribe.

Also, Hoyt blows past the problem to which Brown herself seemed to allude:

Thanks to podcasts and web sites and blogs and the like, every nitwit and his best friend is now out there peddling content. As Brown seemed to suggest, people have a hard time knowing where to turn in the face of this blizzard of content.

Last night, at the start of The Five, the Fox News Channel's "recite-alike" hosts cranked out one factual misstatement after another. Viewers had no obvious way to know they were being misled. 

Tons of money are now being made by telling different groups of people only the things they long to hear. Misinformation is now big business, and it won't want to go away.

Brilliant writing will have to confront this huge institutional problem. Over here in Blue America, our stars tend to flee from this task.

In our view, Hoyt was superb in his stint at the Times. The leading authority on his career gives you the overview here.


73 comments:


  1. "Misinformation is now big business, and it won't want to go away."

    Yes, Bob, that's right. And that's why The Donald, our Greatest President, of all time, is draining the swamp.

    Thank you very much for all your hard work, Mr. President, and please-please-please keep draining the swamp!

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    1. Draining the swamp, sir! One crypto dinner at a time.

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    2. The greasy fucks are draining all the swamp money into their pockets while giving you the shiv. Fucking googly eyed Pash is the essence of a swamp creature. What da fuck is wrong with Mao?

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  2. Democratization of the media is helping solve the serious issue of monopoly of information.

    It was the disinformation campaign of corporate media, back when they held a monopoly, that gave us Reagan, and the Bushs, and led to Trump.

    Somerby needs to learn about the Powell memo and the complicity of corporate media in fulfilling the goals of that memo, which outlined a right wing strategy that Republicans (and neoliberal Dems) abide by to this very day.

    Somerby prefers a society ruled by elites, gatekeepers that hold a monopoly on information, because that allows right wing leaders a way to keep the masses compliant, a way to manufacture ignorance.

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    1. Anonymouse 3:25pm, I agree with your point about gatekeepers, but anonymices invariably make appeals to their authority on every subject. You immediately dismiss the insight of any contrarian and always always reference your own expertise on every topic. You do this though it’s completely unverifiable. Bob graduated from Harvard, and you try to downplay that achievement because he has shared experiences about struggles in philosophy course/s. This could indicate a dislike for the way the subject is taught, to some extent, but you go straight to calling him a C - student. You’re worse than an authority/gatekeeper, you’re a sham one.

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    2. No, we immediately dismiss any post by the man pretending to be a woman. Why trust him?

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    3. Cecelia is a female Homo sapiens.

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    4. Anonymouse 4:02pm, I don’t trust them. They should be kicked out of women’s locker rooms and bathrooms.

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    5. Who would enforce that? Not women. And women don’t want male guards hanging around checkng their plumbing.

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    6. You enforce it the way it’s always been enforced. You ask them to leave, you tell the management, and you dial 911 if they get threatening. I watched a video the other day on X where women shouted a guy in a dress out of the bathroom.

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    7. Not me. I mind my own business in the John. I do not look forward to any time when some busybody calls 911 on me because I tell them to mind their own business when they ask me whether I pee standing up. (Plenty of men also pee sitting down.)

      I do not think it is a cultural advance if women start bullying others who are just trying use the bathroom, in the name of gender conformity. You might as well cut out the middle-women and just install cameras so the cops can watch directly.

      I would not ever call 911 or yell at someone in the restroom. It horrifies me that right wingers think they should be doing that.

      Cecelia, being female you perhaps already understand that many mothers take their young sons into the ladies room with them, because they do not want to send them to a men's room full of adult men without supervision. The little boys go in the stalls with their moms or they wait outside for their turn. It doesn't hurt anyone and causes no disturbance. Are you planning to call 911 on them too? After all, they do have tiny penises.

      Here again is that famous right wing lack of empathy. Where does a mother leave her young son while using the ladies room? Is a teen girl who dresses like a lumberjack going to have to constantly deal with police now, because you want to impose a dress code on everyone? Do you really have nothing better to do with your time than harrass other people? (I'll bet it says Karen on your birth certificate, which you should have to show in order to use a public restroom.)

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    8. Anonymouse 7:04pm, your asinine self knows that there is a difference between and a grown man and a little boy. However, isn’t it interesting that if a father took his little girl into the men’s room, he would be excoriated by the men in there who would see it as an intrusion upon HER sensibilities as well as their own.

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    9. You so weird. Get a life already Cece.

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    10. The rest of the world gets a chuckle over our sexual toilet hang ups. Unisex bathrooms, the horror!!!

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    11. Anonymouse 7:29pm, don’t ask me a question and read my answer and then tell me to move on. Nobody made you ask me anything and nobody made you read my response.

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    12. Anonymouse 7:31pm, their stalls are completely enclosed. It’s like going into the bathroom off your den as company sits and watches a football game.

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    13. Several different people commenting here.

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    14. Fathers do take daughters into the men’s room. What else can they do, they are not allowed in the ladies room.

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    15. Unisex bathrooms work very well.

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    16. Anonymouse 8:20pm, they’re not really unisex. It’s a wall of little private rooms.

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    17. Anonymouse 8:20pm, a father doing that would be as rare as hen’s teeth. Ive never seen it happen, but I did once see a father in a movie theater ask the concession stand lady to let his little girl stand by her so he could quickly “go”.

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    18. “ they’re not really unisex. It’s a wall of little private rooms.”

      Does anyone know what this is supposed to mean? Unisex bathrooms are single occupancy.

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    19. In more advanced countries restrooms are becoming more and more unisex as described by Cece. Repukes are so dumb when Gov. Pritzker announced unisex bathroom requirements for companies that choose to do so in Illinois - basically secured stalls - they ran around Illinois screaming Pritzker is forcing men into girls bathrooms. Weirdos. Like Cece.

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    20. Keeping men and women out of each other's bathrooms will reduce inflation.
      That's just (Right-wing) science.

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    21. We already know that all Democrats are perverts.

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    22. "We already know"
      LOL.

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  3. Trump is the same type of neoliberal, neoconservative president we have been suffering under for decades (Biden was slightly different, which is why corporate media lost their minds going after him), with the added twist of Trump being openly corrupt and criminal.

    America is waking up to all this, causing endless consternation for Trump defenders.

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  4. Quaker in a BasementNovember 19, 2025 at 5:06 PM

    Well, there goes "sacred Homer."

    WASHINGTON—A group of leading historians held a press conference Monday at the National Geographic Society to announce they had “entirely fabricated” ancient Greece, a culture long thought to be the intellectual basis of Western civilization.

    The group acknowledged that the idea of a sophisticated, flourishing society existing in Greece more than two millennia ago was a complete fiction created by a team of some two dozen historians, anthropologists, and classicists who worked nonstop between 1971 and 1974 to forge “Greek” documents and artifacts.

    https://theonion.com/historians-admit-to-inventing-ancient-greeks-1819571808/

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    1. Sorry Quaker, we have sure had some good laughs over the years, and no harm done, amirite?

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  5. You deal with the problem of misinformation by debunking it. Somerby never does that, even on his own blog. Fox is in the business of spreading propaganda for the right wing. It has no other purpose, not even entertainment. Somerby is right to call them out on it, but he falls down when he claims to watch Fox 24/7 and repeats the same criticisms of Gutfeld over and over, without dealing with the garbage on other Fox shows. Given that all of the Fox news readers repeat the same stuff, off the same script, it would be easy for Somerby to the most widespread Fox lies. He doesn't bother doing that. More often, he joins Fox by criticizing the left, repeating right wing canards and advancing right wing memes and talking points.

    As evidence, Somerby was one of the main perpetrators of the "Biden is too old" talking point. He even thought those deep fakes of Biden were real, spreading lies himself. He as never recanted that one, even when confronted by evidence of Biden's competence and top level people who interacted with Biden all vouching for his mental acuity. And Somerby has never mentioned Trump's own dementia, despite it being more obvious than his personality flaws.

    Somerby had nothing good to say about Harris during the election, except that she has a nice smile. He joined the crusade against her by claiming (with the right) that she didn't know how to give a good interview and was avoiding them, saying that she never really addressed border issues, didn't explain what Biden did to deal with immigration, and joining the innuendo about Harris sleeping her way to the top of politics (which is ridiculous given her actual history). Somerby behaved just like a Republican and then gloated when Harris lost by a slim margin to Trump.

    Somerby does not seem to understand the concept that if you watch a shit network like Fox, your brain will become cluttered with the shit they peddle there. Somerby's lack of clarity on important issues is no less than what one would expect of someone who watches too much Fox. He should know better.

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    1. Anonymouse 6:56pm, consider that Biden was asked to step down by more than one Democrat. Look at this list of Democratic lawmakers and then try to argue that Bob should have pretended it was all a Republican con-job.

      https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/joe-biden-2024-race-democrats-who-want-him-to-step-aside/

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    2. He should have looked at Biden fairly, not gotten involved in pushing him off a nomination he earned in the primaries.

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    3. Anonymouse 8:15pm, Bob didn’t push Biden off the nomination, your own politicians did that. They should have done it sooner and given Comma La more time to campaign.

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    4. Cecelia,
      Biden was pushed off the ballot because he wanted to raise corporate tax rates, not because he was old.
      Try to keep up.

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    5. Yes. It only took Dementia Joe four years to figure out what he wanted to raise.

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    6. Trump hasn't been able to get it raised since Epstein stopped supplying him with pre-teens.

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    7. Anyone who isn't a child rapist, or isn't perfectly fine with child rape, left the Republican Party over a dozen years ago.

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  6. Is Hoyt serious? "For Trump, politics isn’t about principle or serious public policy."

    For better or for worse, Trump has had pursued a plethora of serious public policies: Closing the Southern border. Expelling mass numbers of illegal immigrants, including long-time residents. Pursuing a lasting Gaza peace structure. Massively cutting government agencies, such as USAIG and the Dept. of Education. Firing FBI and Justice Dept. people and military leaders who are thought to be anti-Trump or too woke. Sending federal troops and National Guard into cities to fight crime and to protect federal installations. Replacing Affirmative Action with merit-based decisions. Compare this list with the smaller number of major policies initiated by President Biden in his first nine months. Or, President Obama or Bush.

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    1. Trump starving 600,000 people by breaking the law which his supreme court says doesn't apply to the demented child rapist is sound policy David the fascist.

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    2. David, name five bills Trump signed that helped the middle class.

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    3. What fucking lasting peace structure in Gaza? Are you serious?

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    4. Killing the economy closed the southern border.

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    5. I guess you have no at need or underprivileged grandkids you selfish cunt.

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    6. You know nothing about the military as you were at the University of Chicago hiding from Vietnam. In a diverse Army you need to be woke, or in other words be able to work effectively with all backgrounds. You have no problem while they purge the military leadership of woman and brown people right David? Just shows how morbidly stupid you are.

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    7. Expelling long time residents funding your social security check you fascist fuck. Nothing says fascist like destroying minority neighborhoods. Whose gonna pick your veggies and rebuild your home after antifa burns it?

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    8. You have gone from a dumb conservaturd to a raving fascist. Sweet moobly goobly David. Those last thoughts of yours, cheering on the State attacking its own citizens for peacefully stating their thoughts. You really are a troll from mother Russia after all. Also, still a bald old asshole fascist.

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    9. And he will be remembered by historians as the most dishonest, corrupt sexual pervert in the history of the presidency. He will ultimately poll lower than he did his previous term, landing him, among historians and presidential experts, at the last and second to last places as president in the history of the United States.

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    10. Squeal, squeal Democrat.

      Be afraid, Democrat: the swamp is being drained, and it's going to be drained.

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    11. If pardoning money launderers, felons who bilked investors out of hundreds of millions, and drug dealing dark web murderers in order to line his pockets is draining the swamp, no wonder he carries a stench wherever he drags his fat carcass. And you thought that smell was coming from your own pants, Trump troll.

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    12. 11:15: DiC credits Trump for protecting him from getting raped by his landscaper, a classic case of recency bias, since he was not raped by his landscaper during Biden's term.

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    13. Yes yes, very scared of Dementia Don and his imploding Presidency killing the fascist party. Haha. So very scared. I hear his 2,387th tariff plan will straighten it all out you numbnuts.

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    14. Meanwhile, Trump's handling of the economy and performance internationally have been given abysmal ratings in the newest Fox polling data. This is particularly true among the largest portion of his base, the poorly educated.

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    15. Nice squealing, Democrats.

      Squeal, squeal Democrats. It's very encouraging.

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    16. David ,
      Great news.
      It's not anti-semitic to call the Holocaust "a hoax".
      You have nothing to worry about.

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    17. Trump will be dismembered for starting a race war.

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    18. "Firing FBI and Justice Dept. people and military leaders who are thought to be anti-Trump or too woke."

      You're mistaking vendettas for policies.

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    19. Take away the bigotry of the GOP, and all that is left is a global pedophile ring.

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    20. @11:05 - Signing bills is only one Presidential job. Running the military and the executive branch are the President’s duties, as well as signing bills. It’s easy to list a lot more than five Trump ACTIONS that helped the middle class IMO.

      Cutting $ 200 billion of waste. Closed Southern border. Favorable trade agreements. EU replacing the US for Ukraine military costs. Ending DEI. Using National Guard to reduce crime. Using the military to fight fentanyl deaths. Strengthening the military via improved recruitment…

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    21. 10:12 You forgot : adding 2 trillion dollars to the national debt so far, his second term, by giving tax cuts to billionaires, while cutting NIH funding for childhood cancer and waging a war on STEM funding in this country..

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    22. Utter corruption of the Department of Justice. Left that one out.

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    23. Correction: utter corruption of the United States government.

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  7. “ I don’t trust them. ” Do you know an actual transgender woman? I’m going to guess the answer is no. These are people who want to BE women, not molest them.

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    1. I don't know anyone who thinks he is Napoleon either.

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    2. I don't think I am Napoleon, but I was him in a former life. Don't be so gay.

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    3. "Don't be so gay", Soros-monkey? What is it like being a Soros-monkey model discontinued back in the 1990s?

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    4. Tears For Fears was full of shit.
      I never wanted to rule the world.

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    5. "What is it like being a Soros-monkey model discontinued back in the 1990s?"

      So the guy that uses the term 'Soros-monkey' ad nauseam is critiquing another commenter for stale insults?

      Priceless.

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    6. Like the guy who calls us "mice".

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    7. Poor Mao.
      Having to rape a two-year old, just so Republicans will finally show him respect.

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    8. Soros-monkey is what you are, Soros-monkey.

      If I wanted to insult you, Soros-monkey, I would've called you something you're not, that is worse than what you are, Soros-monkey.

      Alas, I can't imagine anything worse than a Soros-monkey, Soros-monkey.

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    9. Let me try calling you something you aren't, you thoughtful human being you.

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    10. Hey, Mao.
      What;;'s with your love for childs rape? Can't find an adult who would fuck you?

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    11. Sure. Soros-monkey's opinion of thoughtful human beings is super-valuable to me, Soros-monkey.

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