TUESDAY, DECEMBER 23, 2025
Reuters suggests it's a fraud: Did former president Bill Clinton ever visit the hellhole of Jeffrey's Epstein's private island?
Through his spokesperson(s) and in his own voice, Clinton has always said the answer is no. In this morning's report, we mentioned the hall of mirrors a person heads down in trying to answer that question, one way or the other, by means of traditional evidence.
We also mentioned a very significant fact:
Except in rare cases, it will generally be extremely hard to demonstrate that some alleged event didn't happen. That's especially true if no alleged date is given for the alleged event.
Did Bill Clinton ever visit the island? We'll attempt to puzzle that out, at least to a modest extent, on Friday or Saturday.
For today, sadly, this:
We direct you to a new report from Mediaite. It appears beneath this headline:
The 5 Most Shocking Trump Mentions in the Latest Batch of Epstein Docs
The headline promises five (5) shocking mentions of Donald J. Trump—shocking mentions which have been found within a new batch of the "Epstein files." Sub-headline included, here's the full text of the first of the five shocking mentions:
Epstein Pens Letter to Larry Nassar that Trump Also Loves “Young, Nubile Girls”
A letter addressed from Epstein to fellow sex criminal Larry Nassar—the former Team USA gymnastics coach—claimed “our president also shares our love of young, nubile girls.”
“When a young beauty walked by he loved to ‘grab snatch,’ whereas we ended up snatching grub in the mess halls of the system,” Epstein wrote.
The 2019 letter does not reference Trump by name, but it coincided with his first term in the White House and referenced the infamous “grab ’em by the p*ssy” comment he made in 2005.
Reuters pointed out:
"The postmark on its envelope is Virginia, not New York where Epstein was jailed, and indicates the envelope was processed three days after his death in August 2019. The return address on the envelope misidentifies the jail where Epstein was being held and does not include his inmate number, which the Bureau of Prisons policy manual requires be included on outgoing mail."
Gag us! That would indeed be a "shocking mention"—except for the unexplained account of what Reuters has "pointed out."
To read the full Reuters report, you can just click here. Below, you see the Reuters headline, which features one extremely significant word:
Justice Department releases card mentioning Trump, purportedly sent from Epstein to Nassar
The key word there is "purportedly." Dear citizen, read on!
Plainly, Reuters is suggesting—based on what seems like very substantial evidence—that this "purported" letter from Epstein to Nassar was, in fact, a forgery of some kind. That it was, in fact, a fraud.
We can't swear that it was a fraud, but that seems to be what Reuters is suggesting. At first glance, that suggestion seems to be based on what looks like significant evidence.
Sadly, our discourse has been working in similar ways for roughly the past forty years, ever since we decided that policy questions are boring and hard and it's more entertaining and much more fun to try to get politicians locked up, or impeached, on the basis of what we purport to be their badly flawed "character."
Health care policy is boring and hard; fake allegations are fun! We've been playing this game for decades now. Anthropologically, are we humans built for this game, or do humans just wanna have fun?
(Be sure to examine what Reuters wrote. Pending further investigation, we'd be slow to put our faith in this purported mention.)
ReplyDeletePoof. But even if wasn't a fraud, Bob, if indeed someone named Epstein wrote something like that to someone named Nassar, so what? It would still mean nothing, would it?
Or, would it mean a lot to someone afflicted with TDS, like you are? Inquiring minds want to know.
Any man who has been to the ole Epic Island is under suspicion. If you didn’t partake, then you were looking the other way and that is ghastly. Doesn’t matter who you are,
DeleteWhat? What does it have to do with what I wrote?
Delete...but in any case, I disagree with what you wrote. If, say, Noam Chomsky likes to discuss philosophy of socialism with someone who likes getting a massage, it doesn't mean Chomsky has something to do with massages.
Specific girls have made specific allegations against specific people, people like: Trump, Epstein, Dershowitz, Pinker, Prince Andrew, Barak, etc.
DeleteEpstein provided these services for people in all walks of life, from all political parties, and some may have just turned their heads, looked away and did nothing - none of these people are innocent, including Chomsky.
And it is clear the most prominent of them all is Trump.
Trump is a sexual predator.
The letter exists. An investigation should determine where it came from, when and for what purpose. It shouldn't be set aside, discarded because it doesn't prove some preexisting theory, such as that Epstein sent it from his jail cell. Even if it couldn't have been mailed from Epstein's cell after his death, it could have been written, passed along to a guard who mailed it from somewhere else.
DeleteThe "short route" sounds like a suicide confession. Perhaps it was manufactured evidence to support the idea that Epstein took his own life. It would be important to know who created it then because it might suggest a cover up of Epstein's murder.
Disregarding it because it seems like Epstein couldn't have written it doesn't make it unimportant. And it can still contan truth about Trump, no matter who wrote it or when it was written. That truth may have been included to make the letter seem authentic while planting the idea that Epstein's death was a suicide. The letter still needs to be investigated and explained, and I don't understand why it was not.
For example, is that Epstein's handwriting in the letter? Does Reuters care or are they simply trying to defend Trump by discrediting it?
Get lost, Corby. Go emphasize somewhere else.
DeleteCorby hasn't posted here in years.
DeleteAs I've seen said elsewhere, silence is consent. Men who knew what was going on but didn't blow the whistle are as guilty as those who committed the abuse. That is why the limo driver called the FBI. The FBI then apparently did nothing with the info. That makes them complicit, accessories after the crime.
DeleteAs a former president, Clinton would have been taught how to avoid honey traps. Trump didn't have that info when he was implicated in the pee tape which gave Russia kompromat over him. There is likely lots of blackmail info about Trump because he is a man with no impulse control and no restraint, who has enjoyed breaking the law and hurting other people since his own childhood. All this effort to protect Trump is wasted because he will die in office and never be prosecuted for his crimes. In the meantime, the other "men" who failed to protect the girls who were being abused by Trump/Epstein are just as guilty as Trump and his bestie Epstein.
Among Trump's other crimes, I want to know what happened to the Resolute Desk. Did he have it made into a lamp?
It sounds like at least some of Epstein's victims got the Epstein treatment by being killed to keep their secrets from being revealed. I would like the FBI to go down the list of 1000+ victims, figure out which ones are still alive, then investigate the deaths of any of the girls/women who died unnatural deaths. If men, in particular, will not take pedophilia seriously as a crime, perhaps they will consider murder important enough for the FBI to investigate.
I'm with the idiot CC here, lock all those old child fuckers up.
DeleteAfter due process of course.
DeleteAre you aware that Epstein owned more than one Island? Is Trump off the hook because he only spent hours at Epstein's place with a teenager, instead of flying to an island? Ask Cecelia whether it is the crime she cares about or the flight plan.
DeleteAs hard as it may be, I would give up the dream that Trump will be taken down in relation to Epstein.
Delete"Go emphasize somewhere else."
DeleteTry 'empathize' moron.
"Trump didn't have that info when he was implicated in the pee tape which gave Russia kompromat over him."
DeleteThere's no evidence of a pee tape.
“I would give up the dream that Trump will be taken down in relation to Epstein.”
DeleteHe’s sure fighting like hell to prevent a meaningful release of the files, his DOJ is covering up for him.
But perhaps you can have the dream of releasing the info and letting the chips fall where they may.
If there was anything there, the Biden DOJ would have found it. You're not going to be able to take down Trump with relation to Epstein. That's not going to happen. Hoping that it will is a waste of time.
DeleteEpstein was killed before Biden took office. Biden had better fish to fry in prosecuting Trump. Merrick Garland dropped the ball.
DeleteCan you read? Just release all the files in accordance with the law that was overwhelmingly passed by congress. That’s my dream. How about it?
DeleteI wouldn't hold my breath that there's going to be a file that brings down Trump.
DeleteMore likely a heart attack.
DeleteYes. Much more.
DeleteI picture him choking on some food, and no one lifts a finger to help him.
DeleteAnd I sniff my fingers.
Delete8:36,
DeleteI'd still like everything released, so we can see if there is a photo of Trump being kind to a black child or not.
It's the corrupt socialism done make me ill, stupid deranged Trumper losers. "After giving the elder Ellison a significant role in his plan to transfer TikTok’s U.S. operations to a group of American investors, Trump is pledging to get involved in the regulatory fate of a Warner Bros. takeover. This is straight-up socialism — the state controlling the means of production."
ReplyDeleteYou all his stupid bitches dontcha know.
It is not called socialism when Trump and his cronies get involved in business deals for personal gain (the US gets nothings from these deals). It is called graft and corruption. When it becomes endemic, it makes our government an oligarchy, not socialist.
DeleteWhen the oligarchs are incompetent, as is true for Trump and his cronies, it is also called a kakistocracy.
DeleteI know all that, but you need to say magic conjuring words to get the deranged maga cult attention.
DeleteIt’s called fascism.
DeleteLook at Somerby defending a pedophile and trying to shift blame onto Clinton, in keeping with Republican talking points. And he promises he will discuss Clinton more later in the week.
ReplyDeleteClinton is not president. He is not the topic under consideration -- Trump is. It matters whether Trump has abused women and girls, because Trump is president. Clinton is just an old guy -- reaching over backwards to show that someone who has always been considered innocent is truly innocent strikes me as a politically motivated stunt designed to distract attention from whether Trump is a pedophile or not.
Somerby says: "Except in rare cases, it will generally be extremely hard to demonstrate that some alleged event didn't happen."
Actually, it is not so hard. All you need is proof that what did happen during a time period does not include the alleged event. A video camera with a time stamp will do nicely. This idea that no one can ever prove something didn't happen is generally because no specific time and place is specified. But I can prove that no one robbed my apartment yesterday, because the alarm didn't go off and nothing is missing, no door sensors or motion-activated camera was activated.
Somerby will say that anything is possible therefore it may be possible that someone robbed me despite there being absolutely no evidence of it. But what that boils down to is that the absence of evidence makes the probability vanishingly small, so unlikely that we can dismiss the event as not happening. That is what is going on with Clinton.
Republican allege all kinds of things. Those things are investigated and found to be unsubstantiated. A pattern builds up that does not include Clinton assaulting women. At some point you have to say "game over" and say that Clinton's behavior does not suggest he assaults women and further, there is no evidence at any time or place that he did, despite what Republicans keep asserting out of political wishful thinking and fake paid accusers with no proof.
But Somerby is going to try again to demean Clinton. Why? Because he is liberal? No. Because the Republicans are again using that tactic to deflect from Trump's likely guilt.
Somerby is a dishonest person. His use of language to manufacture doubt where there is none, is sneaky and a linguistic abuse. It makes him a propagandist, not a truth seeking blogger, as he portrays himself.
It is time for Somerby to stop aiding Republicans and admit that he is another Republican asshole working to keep Trump happy. Like the most rabid fanboys here.
Tucker is to Fuentes, as Somerby is to Trump.
DeleteAnd all of them are Nazi or Nazi-adjacent.
DeleteYes, Somerby is Nazi-adjacent.
DeleteYou're an idiot.
He urges us to pity a Nazi.
Delete"A video camera with a time stamp will do nicely. This idea that no one can ever prove something didn't happen is generally because no specific time and place is specified."
DeleteRight. So all we need is time-stamped video covering all of the island over several years. What could be simpler?
Or just look up what Clinton was really doing on the days he’s accused of being on the island. If there’s no specific time and day there’s no credible accusation. Clinton was a busy man with other appointments that show he was elsewhere, if anyone bothered to check.
DeleteSomerby shrugs and claims nothing can be proved. That’s ridiculous. As I said, Clinton can likely show he was elsewhere and doesn’t needto monitor the Island 24/7 to do that.
He can show that he was somewhere else to prove he wasn’t on the island.
DeleteIs Somerby Nazi-adjacent?
DeleteAs someone who might not be Nazi-adjacent would say, "Anything is possible".
The old this one thing is a fake so the old rapist never did nothing wrong ploy. Haha.
ReplyDelete"Damion Schubert
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Bill Clinton releasing a statement saying 'release the Epstein files, you cowards' was not on my bingo list."
Keep humping that demented old dog you Trumper losers.
Who cares. Another statement Bubba released was "I didn't have sexual relations with that woman."
DeleteIs a consensual BJ a relationship? I think not. Prove me wrong by grabbing my pussy.
DeleteBubba release also said release everything with my name on it. Just like the jagoff felon didn't.
Delete"Trump, who once vowed to “make America affordable again,” now calls concerns about increasing prices a “hoax” perpetrated by the Democrats."
ReplyDeleteSo which is it deranged Trump bitches?
So now with a completely lame National Security excuse, Thrumpy the demented rapist, felon, and insurrectionist is killing billions in offshore wind development. As a free market conservaturd from the great University of Chicago, David in Cal, please explain how this is remotely acceptable. What the fuck does his opinion of how something looks at his stupid golf course in Scotland have anything to do with national fucking security?
ReplyDeleteTriggered, Hillary?
Delete1:31.Just for the record, is being a pedo acceptable in Russia as long as you're pro Putin, Boris?
DeleteLOL. No, Hillary, Russia won't work for you. Try Canada. Or some Scandinavian shithole.
DeleteWritten to Nasser is not the same as sent to Nasser (the phrase Somerby uses). If it was sent to Nasser, it would have been in Nasser's possession (unless confiscated by the prison at some earlier date). This was found in Epstein-related files, not Nasser files.
ReplyDeleteSomerby is way too quick to disbelieve this piece of evidence. A propensity to disbelieve everything is not a virtue. It appears to be a cognitive deficit.
So Somerby disbelieves one item, which you then generalize to him having a "propensity to disbelieve everything", which you then pronounce to be a cognitive deficit.
ReplyDeleteThere does seem to be a cognitive deficit here, but it's not Somerby's....
Somerby says anything is possible. That is untrue.
DeleteSomerby doesn't believe the Left is responsible for Trump being President. That's just something he muses about here, to make it seem that way.
DeleteTriggered, Hillary?
ReplyDeleteI believe this may have been what convicts call a “kite,” a letter dispatched through a third party, possibly an inmate or an inmate’s visitor. Happens all the time in prison.
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