THURSDAY, MARCH 19, 2026
It should be reported as such: Here at the heart of this sprawling campus, we'd like to see Jessica Grose sign up with her local cable provider.
After that, we'd like to see her start watching the Fox News Channel. We derive this desire from her latest column for the New York Times.
Headline included, the column starts like this:
The Manosphere Continues to Devolve
In the new documentary “Inside the Manosphere,” the English filmmaker and host Louis Theroux describes the buff, screen-addled U.S. and British influencers he interviews as creators of “the new world of men who are redefining what it means to be a man.” But I came away from the movie, now on Netflix, thinking that it eclipsed this framing.
Young men may finally be waking up to the utter emptiness of the manosphere’s messaging.
So begins Grose's new column—or is it really a "subscriber-only newsletter?" Until today, we had never tried to puzzle it out, and the arcana of that other sprawling enterprise can sometimes be overwhelming.
That said, Grose has been at her desk "for Opinion" since 2021, and her latest offering is about the manosphere. As to what that sprawling entity is, she is soon offering this:
[continuing directly]
The manosphere—a loose collection of male podcasters and social media stars who push misogynistic and ultraconservative views—is not new. The term is at least 15 years old and rose to a frequent topic of mainstream discourse during Donald Trump’s first presidential term.
The men Theroux interviews are pushing some of the oldest grifts and ancient hatreds in the book, even if they’ve been using new technology to beam those views out to a global audience. The creators Theroux follows—young men with handles like HSTikkyTokky and Sneako—share very familiar ideas of what it means to be a man, ones that predated the rise of social media: making money, having big muscles, driving expensive cars and sleeping with as many women as possible. Though Theroux does not talk to Andrew or Tristan Tate, the most prominent modern manosphere influencers, clips of the Tate brothers appear throughout the film.
Superficially, these men are selling their audiences bizarre and extremist ideas—women shouldn’t vote; covering one eye in a photograph is a reference to a satanic plot—against the backdrop of the babes and Lamborghinis they “possess.” There’s a whole section of the documentary in which it seems every conversation Theroux has devolves into an antisemitic conspiracy theory involving the Rothschilds, citing “the Jews” who control the one world government or the media or Theroux himself. These specific conspiracy theories have been appearing in pamphlets—the old-timey version of viral videos—since the 19th century.
It’s unclear if any of the men actually believe what they say, or if they’re just shouting the most outrageous nonsense possible in order to maintain the attention of their audiences and get a rise out of Theroux and other spectators. They are quite self-aware about their place in the attention economy. “If I’d just done good things, I would never have really blown up on social media in the first place,” one of the men tells Theroux.
Sic semper the so-called manosphere. Grose goes on to suggest that the influence of this unfortunate movement is lessening. Recalling President Kennedy in Berlin, we'll only say this about that:
Let her come to the world of cable TV and watch the Fox News Channel!
In short, we're begging Grose to extend her range beyond the realm of "male podcasters and social media stars." We're asking her to acquire rights to the "new technology" now dominated by the Fox News Channel.
If it's grifts she wants to cover, we're hoping she'll fire up the cable and watch several of that outfit's most-watched "cable news" shows—and that she'll then report the gruesome behavior she sees.
We've been waiting for Godot to do that—rather, we've been waiting for Kristof and Brooks and Stephens and Cottle and for someone, anyone, who's typing for The Atlantic.
(Helen Lewis, across the pond, please come on over and down!)
Mutts like them will never do it! Perhaps a relative newcomer will.
If Grose accepts this cable news challenge, she'll be arriving on the scene a bit late. Pete Hegseth is gone from Fox & Friends Weekend, where he co-hosted with Rachel and Will right through the last election.
He's now at the Pentagon, where he has, among other things, commissioned "a controversial pastor who supports repealing women’s right to vote" (see above!) to lead a worship service.
In our view, people are free to believe what they believe, even including what they believe about gender relations. Borrowing from Lincoln, "it may seem strange" to think that women should be denied the right to vote, "but let us judge not, that we be not judged."
(Full disclosure: Lincoln himself may have been a bit late to the game regarding the suffrage question.)
At any rate, even if Hegseth is gone from Fox, more virulent purveyors remain. Having abandoned our faith in Godot, we turn our eyes toward Grose.
At this point, we're going to try to restrict ourselves to purely descriptive language:
Each night, they pry the lid off the can at Fox and the swill comes slithering out. The Blue old liners at the Times refuse to report and discuss this remarkable fact. We're hoping a relative newcomer will—but also, with luck, Michelle Goldberg!
Whatever you think of the conduct in question, the fact that this conduct takes place is news! It should be reported, discussed.
First Somerby says this:
ReplyDelete"In our view, people are free to believe what they believe, even including what they believe about gender relations. Borrowing from Lincoln, "it may seem strange" to think that women should be denied the right to vote, "but let us judge not, that we be not judged."
And then he says this:
"Each night, they pry the lid off the can at Fox and the swill comes slithering out. The Blue old liners at the Times refuse to report and discuss this remarkable fact. "
He thinks he is being non-judgmental in his language, saying:
"At this point, we're going to try to restrict ourselves to purely descriptive language:"
But calling words swill and saying that they slither is pretty judgmental to me.
As usual, he says blue media won't report the Fox swill, but that isn't true. Several blue old-liners have posted links to reports by blue media, in the comments, but this has made not a dent in Somerby's delusion that no one cares about this but himself.
Note that Somerby does not use the words misogyny or sexism in this report of his own. A few weeks ago, he described a backlash to women's progress on the right. That was a more apt description. The manosphere is part of a backlash and it is mainstream to MAGAdom. It is also inherent to white supremacists (neo-Nazis) such as Nick Fuentes and to Christian Nationalists who want women to return to traditional religion-dictated roles. Elon Musk, Jordan Peterson and even Jeffrey Epstein (who wanted to spread his "intelligent" genes to as many women as possible) are part of this anti-women social movement too.
But the terms to use are misogyny and sexism, not manosphere, which perpetuates a victimhood described by the Men's Rights movement, in which men are being denied their rights and their rightful place of dominance by women who have usurped them in all spheres of life.
Somerby has no positive feelings toward feminists, but feminists describe these phenomena far better than Grose. This attack on women is real and men are angry and coming for women with their guns loaded. This is part of what will happen should Trump succeed in implementing an authoritarian society. Pretending this is an innocuous social fringe movement is a bad idea, whether it is Somerby doing it, or Grose.
This is why there is such a close connection between sexual assault, abuse and right wing political extremism. Hegseth doesn't just look buff, but he assaults women. So does Trump. We don't yet know how many men took advantage of Epstein's services to abuse girls and women themselves, not all Republicans but both Epstein and Trump switched to the Republican party to pursue political goals. The link between Republicanism and sexual misbehavior intersects through these harsh attitudes toward women.
Women are not going back to the bad old days. Women will hold the line on current advances, no matter the attacks on DEI (which means women earning high level jobs that men covet). It is possible, if not likely, that the brand new DHS facilities may at some point be used to house activist women who refuse the conditions men want to impose.
Incels are losers. So are the men occupying the manosphere, and those who commit crimes against their wives and the women they work with. This isn't innocuous or bizarre, the way Somerby portrays it. It is serious and needs to be resisted by men who retain some belief that women are human beings with human rights.
"calling words swill and saying that they slither is pretty judgmental to me."
DeleteAs to everyone.
Bob often employs irony. Irony use words in a way opposite to their usual meaning, typically for a humorous effect.
It is also a way to evade responsibility for inferred irony by hiding behind the literal meaning of what was said. In other words, having things both ways at once.
DeleteSomerby has never quoted Lincoln ironically.
Delete"Having it both ways at once" means being incoherent. Is that what you think Bob is after?
DeleteYes, he has mastered the art of using a lot of words to say nothing at all.
DeleteInadequate men try to assert dominance over women in order to demonstrate their manliness, because they cannot actually compete for dominance with actual men. Because they see the world in terms of dominance, they must place themselves as close to the top of a dominance hierarchy as they can. But women are not part of the male dominance hierarchies in our species (or others). Women have a separate dominance hierarchy among themselves. So, men who try to subjugate women are showing their weakness, not strength, and more dominant men tend to despise them.
ReplyDeleteMen who populate the manosphere share their stories about hurting women. They think it gives them status. This is the mistake they are making. Outside the limited social spaces they inhabit, men with other ways of achieving higher status look down on these guys. To protect their egos, they deny that is happening. This subculture of men is pernicious and needs to be opposed by law and by other men, because it results in lawbreaking and harm to women and our society. Men who prey on women need to be stopped for the sake of other men's wives and daughters, and because it is self-defeating for our species. It may be no coincidence that birth-rates are decreasing along with the rise of these extremists and #metoo movements.
Somerby is doing well to refrain from expressing sympathy with the manosphere.
ReplyDeleteSomerby has complained before that feminists did not speak out when male politicians were trashing Hillary. Of course they did speak out, and some commenters posted links to their complaints, just as when Somerby claims blue media doesn't complain about his own pet peeve (Gutfeld calls women cows or dogs or horses).
DeleteFeminists have been talking about the manopshere, Men's Right's movement, incels, sex abusers and rapists, and lately Epstein, all along. If Somerby doesn't read what they have been saying, he may think feminists don't care. That isn't the case.
I think Somerby quote of Lincoln is bizarre. It actually reads: "It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged." In that passage, Lincoln tries to ascribe the entire war to God, with the outcome God's will as well, but without God taking sides on the issue of slavery. It makes no sense and no one today believes that black human rights should be subordinated to white men's quest for wealth. But Somerby seems to be saying, don't judge if there are men who believe and openly state that women's rights should be subordinated to white men's demands for their labor and reproductive capabilities.
ReplyDeleteSlavery is slavery and we abolished it more than 150 years ago. Invoking Lincoln's wishy washy attempt at compromise with slaveholders in the context of men who wish to subjugate women is definitely inappropriate and Somerby does not escape judgment just because Lincoln quoted the judge not part of the Bible. I am definitely judging Somerby for his unwillingness to clearly state support for women's rights. That is a longstanding plank in the Democratic Party and a strong principle among liberals, so Somerby's oddness suggests he favors right wing weirdness on this topic, not the beliefs of most liberals. Another instance where Somerby favors right wing talking points and views while claiming to be liberal.
I am still waiting to see whether Usha kicks Vance to the curb for telling her she must convert to Christianity.
ReplyDeleteI haven't seen anyone comment on this anywhere, but it may be that Trump is protecting Melania from Epstein-related revelations.
ReplyDeletei"...t may be that Trump is protecting Melania..."
DeleteI had it figured the other way round.
If revelations about Melania could take the heat off Trump for even ten minutes, he would be ordering Bondi to furnish them.
DeleteI was composing this while 4:24 commented, so this connects to that:
ReplyDelete“judge not, that we be not judged” comes from Lincoln’s 2nd inaugural address, a couple of years after he had issued the emancipation proclamation. (He was assassinated 41 days after this speech). Elsewhere in this speech, he says:
“If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which in the providence of God must needs come but which having continued through His appointed time He now wills to remove and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him. Fondly do we hope ~ fervently do we pray ~ that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword as was said three thousand years ago so still it must be said 'the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.'”
It’s odd, because Lincoln declared total war on the South and sought its destruction, but here he acts as if it was God’s will and he, Lincoln, was merely an instrument of that will. And there’s clearly an anti-slavery judgment inherent in Lincoln’s words.
Either you support the Union, or you don’t. And Lincoln made the judgment that breaking up the union as the South did was wrong. You can’t not make a judgment; that leads to inaction. Either you support slavery or you don’t; in this speech, where he refers to it as an “offense”, he clearly describes it as the cause of the war.
Lincoln was primarily using this biblical language, in my opinion, to start the healing process, not to signal indifference to either slavery (which he here calls an “offense”) or secession. Otherwise, it’s just a cop out.
It’s also a sly way of saying that God is against slavery.
DeleteIt would have been better if he had said so more directly. A leader shouldn't be afraid to come right out and say what he means.
DeleteWho is Somerby kidding? He makes judgments all the time.
ReplyDelete"Rep. Cory Mills (R-FL) recently crowed about his "100% family rating" from the right-wing Family Research Council despite claims that he assaulted a former girlfriend and threatened to release nude photos of another.
ReplyDeleteIn a report to law enforcement last February, a woman who was not Mills' wife told the D.C. Metropolitan Police Department that the lawmaker used force with his hands or feet against her.
Although police sent a warrant for Mills' arrest, the allegations were recanted before it could be signed. Mills later insisted that there was "no physical altercation."
Later in 2025, a second ex-girlfriend accused Mills of threatening to release intimate videos after she ended their romantic relationship. Mills also denied those allegations.
On Thursday of this week, Mills decided to burnish his family-values credentials by noting that he had received an award from the Family Research Council in 2025.
"I'm honored to have received a 100% rating from the Family Research Council," Mills wrote on X. "Their mission to champion faith, family, and freedom, and to advance a culture where life is valued and religious liberty thrives, is at the core of what I'm fighting for in Congress."
"I'll continue working every day to defend those principles and deliver for the people I serve." [Rawstory]
Somerby quotes Lincoln's invocation of God during the Civil War. This is what a Catholic Cardinal might say to that:
ReplyDelete"“The abuse and manipulation of God’s name to justify this and any other war is the gravest sin we can commit at this time”
“War”, he continued, “is first and foremost political and has very material interests, like most wars. We must do everything we can to leave no room for this pseudo-religious language, which speaks not of God, but of ourselves”.
Oops -- this was said by Cardinal Pierbattista Pizzaballa at a webinar on the conflict ravaging the Middle East. The Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem was commenting on the words of the U.S. Secretary of War who, during a briefing, quoted Psalm 144 to invoke a divine blessing on the ongoing U.S.-Israeli attack on Iran.
"THURSDAY: The fact that this conduct takes place is news!"
ReplyDeleteThe fact that some men are assholes is news to Somerby? If so, he hasn't been paying attention.
The Coalition Gains Momentum
ReplyDelete"Japanese Prime Minsiter Takaichi Sanae affirmed that Japan will join a small group of allies in "committing to a dialogue about how to secure the Strait."'
Committing to a dialogue? Damn! The respect other nations have for the United States under Trump's leadership is really showing now, when we need it most.
I agree, Hector. Under Trump, other countries are treating the US with less respect than they should.
DeleteBut, that's actually an improvement. Under Biden, these countries treated us with even less respect. We didn't even ask for respect. We were just the perfect patsy, schnook, dupe. We stupidly assumed a disproportionate share of just about every international obligation: the UN, NATO, WHO, climate change, Ukraine. Thanks to Trump, that kind of voluntary disrespect is much improved.
Having elected Trump, I think other nations are showing us exactly the respect we deserve.
DeleteSomerby should love Gavin Newsom for calling out Fox. Newsom says:
ReplyDelete“Fox News refuses to report the truth.
California has the most progressive tax rates in America.
Texas -- they have the most regressive. Texas taxes poor folks more than California taxes their richest. Florida just like Texas. Their middle class families pay more in taxes than middle class families in California.”
That’s a good reason to support the guy, right? Will he?
LOL.
Delete@10:59 - I find it hard to believe that middle class families pay more taxes in FL and Texas than in CA. Here's an amazing statistic. The per capita state + local taxes per capita in CA are slightly more than two times the figure for FL and for TX.
DeleteCan you provide a source for your allegation? Thanks.