As Baldwin pretends with some polls: Briefly watching mid-afternoon CNN, we just saw Brooke Baldwin hyping a “bombshell report.” In a brand-new Quinnipiac poll, Biden performs a few points better than Clinton against the leading Republicans!
In August of the year before, with Biden not even in the race, that’s a bombshell in much the same way that Baldwin is Pliny the Elder reborn. Also, with people like Baldwin, press corps-wide, working hard to fluff Uncle Joe while knocking Vile Clinton around.
Our “journalists” routinely say it—they say they have a professional bias in favor of creating a lively race. Perhaps that explains why the corps is fluffing Biden. Perhaps it’s Clinton hatred.
Whatever it is, it isn’t journalistic. This brings us back to the press corps’ ongoing obsession with the Clinton email non-probe.
We say non-probe for a reason. By now, any news org—in theory, that includes CNN—could have catalogued the issues involved in the email matter. As far as we know, there are two major claims:
First claim: Clinton put national security at risk by using a non-secure email account. Also, Clinton stymied FOIA requests by maintaining her own server.
By now, CNN, or anyone else, could have created a coherent account of the various charges, crazy and otherwise, being made against Clinton. No one has done so because our imitation, Potemkin “news orgs” simply don’t function that way.
That isn’t what our “news orgs” do. Instead, they spend two years obsessing over meaningless polls while gossiping about a wide assortment of silly distractions.
What would it look like if major news orgs tried to clarify the email debate?
We’ll direct you to this post by Kevin Drum, in which Drum links to an AP report.
The AP report starts to sift the ball of confusion surrounding the security aspects of Clinton’s email practices. Below, you see the start of Ken Dilanian’s report:
DILANIAN (8/26/15): The transmission of now-classified information across Hillary Rodham Clinton's private email is consistent with a State Department culture in which diplomats routinely sent secret material on unsecured email during the past two administrations, according to documents reviewed by The Associated Press.Say what? “It’s not clear whether the security breach would have been any less had she used department email?”
Clinton's use of a home server makes her case unique and has become an issue in her front-running campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination. But it's not clear whether the security breach would have been any less had she used department email.
Later in his report, Dilanian mentions similar practices from the Bush years. He seems to say that Clinton’s email system wasn’t any less secure than the State Department’s corresponding system:
DILANIAN: In five emails that date to Condoleezza Rice's tenure as secretary of state during the George W. Bush administration, large chunks are censored on the grounds that they contain classified national security or foreign government information.“It would be equally problematic whether classified information was carried over the government system or a private server?” According to Dilanian, that’s what experts say.
[…]
Such slippage of classified information into regular email is "very common, actually," said Leslie McAdoo, a lawyer who frequently represents government officials and contractors in disputes over security clearances and classified information.
What makes Clinton's case different is that she exclusively sent and received emails through a home server in lieu of the State Department's unclassified email system. Neither would have been secure from hackers or foreign intelligence agencies, so it would be equally problematic whether classified information was carried over the government system or a private server, experts say.
In fact, the State Department's unclassified email system has been penetrated by hackers believed linked to Russian intelligence.
This past weekend, on Fox News Sunday, Ellen Tauscher discussed the nature of the State Department’s “unsecure” email system. She also tried to explain the distinction between the State Department’s separate-and-distinct classified and unclassified email systems.
Dilanian seems to be plowing the same fields here. He seems to be saying that the State Department’s regular unclassified system would have been no more secure than the private system Clinton used.
If our “news orgs” were really news orgs, they would have tried to clarify these matters by now. That said, our “news orgs” quite plainly are not news orgs—haven’t been any such thing for a very long time.
Our TV news orgs are corporate arrangements whereby attractive, youngish men and women can sit around discussing worthless polls all day. After that, they spend some time discussing who interrupted whom, and how loudly, at which event last night.
At night, the propagandists come out. Did you watch the horrific Maddow sifting your info, and clowning around, on her program last night? Has any news figure ever been so devoured by the twin monsters, wealth and fame?
You’re living inside an “I, Claudius” bubble. Live and direct from Atlanta, Baldwin was pretending nicely as we clicked off CNN.
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ReplyDeleteSo there was (allegedly) a State Department culture in which diplomats routinely sent secret material on unsecured email. Then all the security violations weren't Hillary's fault. They were the fault of the person who headed the State Dept. Oh, wait...
ReplyDeleteNo, David, you do not understand. Condoleeza Rice, Colin Powell, people in the Bush administration engaged in business as usual within the State Department, largely by career members of State Department staff, people who have been there for 30 years. You don't get to blame that on Hillary.
DeleteIf Rice and Powell didn't do their jobs properly, that's a poor excuse. Furthermore, by the time Clinton wa apponted, there was specific, written policy. Apparently she didn't follow the policy and didn't see to it that the rest of the State Dept. followed the policy. Carly Fiorina is criticized as having done a poor job of managing HP. Similarly, Hillary deserves to be criticized for doing a poor job managing the State Dept. IMHO.
Deletethe 2005 policy was described as one of several “clear cut” directives the agency’s own inspector general relied on to criticize the conduct of a U.S. ambassador who in 2012 was faulted for using email outside of the department’s official system.
“It is the Department’s general policy that normal day-to-day operations be conducted on an authorized [Automated Information System], which has the proper level of security control to provide nonrepudiation, authentication and encryption, to ensure confidentiality, integrity, and availability of the resident information,” the Department’s Foreign Affairs Manual states.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/state-department-email-rule-hillary-clinton-115804.html#ixzz3k3uoBIhy
" ... a State Department official acknowledged the 2005 policy but emphasized that it is limited to records containing such sensitive information.
Delete“Under State Department policy in the FAM referenced in news reports tonight, sensitive but unclassified information should be handled on a system with certain security requirements except in certain circumstances. That FAM policy pertains solely to SBU information,” the official said. “Reports claiming that by using personal email she is automatically out of step of that FAM are inaccurate.”
Also, equating failure to follow a policy that didn't apply to Fiorina's running HP into the ground is hackery even you wouldn't be expected to produce.
But you keep f**king that chicken in your ridiculous quest to restore Nixon and W's tarnished images while proving that Whitewater wasn't a creation of Jeff Gersten and that Hillary had Vince Forster killed.
Lose your abacus again?
D in C, what we aren't being told is that the world has come to an end, or at least will shortly, because all this really top secret stuff was passed around in emails. If we're all not dead yet, it's a miracle. In any event, it clearly means that Scott walker, or maybe Marco Rubio, deserves to be our next president.
DeleteAmerican foreign policy matters. Fortunately for you, AC/MA, you don't live in Syria or Iraq or Ukraine or in the Balkans. If you did, your world would indeed be coming to an end or would be threatening to do so.
DeleteDid our enemies intercept secret information that facilitated these disasters? Did Iran have access to secret information that allowed them to negotiate a deal less favorable to us and our allies? We have no way to know. Bur, foreign affairs are not a joke.
Actually, we do have a way of knowing. We can tell what our enemies know by their actions and through our own intelligence efforts. The idea that anything a staffer sent to Hillary undermined discussions with Iran years later is so farfetched you have to feel very silly suggesting it.
DeleteWhy are people blaming Hillary for security flaws in Benghazi and on her email server security. This is a sixty something year old diplomat--these things aren't in her purview -not even close. This is all useless spin. But what is the psychology behind it? Do they see security as her political weakness?
DeleteD inC I agree, foreign policy matters. Unfortunately, the last time the GOP was in control, we invaded Iraq, with utterly no idea what we were getting into, the worst foreign policy disaster imaginable, as bad or worse than the Vietnam fiasco. The present group of GOP contenders (maybe with the exception of Paul) seem to all be in that tradition of complete foreign policy stupidity. The email "scandal" is so phony, completely designed as a mechanism to derail HRC, it's sickening and yet you slurp it up. The idea that our "enemies" intercepted information that facilitated any of these situations is imaginary on your part.
Delete@AC/MA
DeleteVietnam American casualties: 58,000
Iraq War American casualties: 4,500
Number of Cambodian killed when U.S. pulled out of Southeast Asia: 2 million
While HRC's bona fide email scandal is of her own making, your assessment of the original JFK/LBJ quagmire compared to Iraq War is actually phony.
I guess you're right, Cicero, the Iraq fiasco that we entered into because of the threat of non-existent WMD's thru Bush and Cheney was a minor mistake (especially compared to Bengazi, where 4 Americans died). Question - who was it that mounted the massive opposition to Vietnam - was it conservative Republicans?
DeleteI seem to recall it was Nixon who invaded Cambodia.
DeleteAnd as all good students of history know, the treasonous Richard Nixon, in the run up to the 1968 elections, actually sabotaged the Paris Peace Talks just so he could get himself elected. Just another of example of treasonous republicans putting party ahead of country while waving the flag.
DeleteFor years now, it has been accepted as one of those historical facts that we don't like to think about much that, in 1968, working through anti-Communist extremist Anna Chennault, the Nixon campaign actively sabotaged the Paris Peace Talks, convincing the South Vietnamese to bail on them in the hopes of getting a better deal from a President Nixon, and to avoid an "October Surprise" peace deal that might have benefitted his vice-president, Hubert Humphrey. Johnson found out about this treasonous double-dealing and, infuriated as only he could be, ordered the wiretapping of (among other things) the Nixon campaign plane. For reasons known only to him, LBJ declined to share this information with poor Humphrey, who lost that fall's election to Nixon by .7 percent of the popular vote. Nixon kept the war going long enough to get re-elected in 1972, tearing the country apart in the process, and eventually adding 22,000 names to that black wall in Washington, before agreeing to virtually the same deal Johnson nearly cut four years earlier.
Number of Cambodians killed after U.S. carpet bombing of Southeast Asia: 2 million
DeleteThat cicero would have us believe it was the US *leaving* Vietnam that was the cause of great calamity in the region tells us exactly what a monster we are dealing with here.
"...the last time the GOP was in control, we invaded Iraq, with utterly no idea what we were getting into, the worst foreign policy disaster imaginable, as bad or worse than the Vietnam fiasco."
DeleteAnd they spent $2+ Trillion (with a T) on it. The same fools who supported the disaster are now running around making believe they care about the deficit and government waste.
The media isn't going to admit conservative ideology should be dismissed out of hand due to it being a load of shit (they're paid not to), but the rest of us should do so.
@ The Room
DeleteCarpet bombing? The 2 million Cambodians were murdered by the Khmer Rouge after the U.S. pulled out of the region. That you actually believe it was the USAF that caused these deaths tells us you are invincibly ignorant about historical facts.
@3:48
Delete$900 billion was spent on the Vietnam War. That's $5.4 trillion (with a T) in 2014 dollars.
Oh cicero.
DeleteThe Khmer Rouge's emergence was a direct consequence of US bombing (creating a moonscape of the previously existing environment) and destruction of Cambodian society.
It's not that we left.
It's that we arrived, and what we did when we came.
We (the US government, not the USAF -- ultimately: US citizenry) are responsible for the emergence of the Khmer Rouge.
After they came to power, we disgustingly did what we could diplomatically to ensure they weren't stopped, because the only power capable of stopping them was the Vietnamese military.
Ultimately, we could not prevent a Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia that ended the genocidal KR rule in 1979. But we punished Vietnam diplomatically (which is to say, we favored the deposed genocider Pol Pot).
"Perhaps that explains why the corps is fluffing Biden" B.S.
ReplyDelete"Rachel is banging away on her toy!" B.S. July 17, 2015
Remember when this used to be a family blog?
So now Maddow is responsible for every liberal action and everything she does has to be perfect according to the failed comedian and chronic book non-finisher.
ReplyDelete"I'm undoubtedly a liberal, which means that I'm in almost total agreement with the Eisenhower-era Republican party platform." Rachel Maddow
DeleteThat comment sounds just the slightest bit trollish.
ReplyDeleteDonald Trump inherited his real estate empire from his father. He has lost more money than he has made. Fiorina is probably a better manager. Knowing this about him makes his strutting and grandiosity more pathetic.
ReplyDeleteThe Clintons, who attended Trump's wedding, made their $140 million fortune from speaking fees. Nobody paid HRC for her talent as an orator, rather it was to get aboard the Clinton influence peddling train.
DeleteCicero, what about Jeb's speaking fees?
DeleteI suppose people all bought Clinton's biography to get aboard the influence peddling train too? Her life is interesting and people want to hear about it, no matter how good a speaker she is -- as an experienced candidate, she is a good public speaker, so trying to pretend she is untalented as an orator is stupid.
Delete@11:41
DeleteJust because HRC has spent a lot of time campaigning for a job doesn't mean she has any talent for giving speeches. The women stares at her notes more than she does the dwindling audience.
All the people who bought HRC's book? How much access do you imagine $12.49 buys you?
"Hillary Clinton’s book sales dropped even faster in week three than in week two"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/07/02/hillary-clintons-book-sales-dropped-even-faster-in-week-three-than-in-week-two/
"Whatever it is, it isn’t journalistic. This brings us back to the press corps’ ongoing obsession with the Clinton email non-probe." (Somerby)
ReplyDeleteThis is really very simple.
The press announced very early on that they were "primed to take Clinton down" this time. Quite openly, without shame, and very matter-of-factly. TDH has called attention and written about numerous examples.
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First, the national media have never been more primed to take down Hillary Clinton (and, by the same token, elevate a Republican candidate). Even before she announced her presidential bid, The New York Times alone had published more than 40 articles related to her private email account, spurring other stories across the national print, digital and television media. Since announcing her bid, the national media have spent the bulk of their time investigating potential lines of influence between Clinton Foundation donations/speaking fees and Clinton's actions as secretary of state. The Times, The Washington Post and others even struck deals for early access to anti-Clinton research.
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What we are witnessing is simply the political press following through on their promise. They're not going to stop. This isn't business, this is personal for these hacks.
We can only hope that in this new information age where the dissemination of information is so much more egalitarian than in the past, and the influence of the mainstream media is waning, the majority of American people will be able get past the media's Clinton Derangement Syndrome.
What you are witnessing is the "media" pounding on the only thing they have to write about Hillary. Until yesterday, when she went on the attack and threw the media some red meat to chew on.
DeleteAnd now we got Republicans whining and demanding an apology, and suddenly the e-mail thing has been set aside at least for now.
In other words, Hillary is finally taking charge of the press narrative. Good for her.
@9:30
DeleteThe e-mail thing has been set aside for now? Not only did HRC's desperate attempt to change the subject not succeed, VP Biden is currently polling more favorably in key swing states like Pennsylvania, Florida and Ohio, while Clinton is deep underwater with unfavorables over 50 percent.
It isn't the unfavorables that matter but the favorable. Clinton's unfavorables are better than all the Republican candidates.
Delete@11:39
DeleteIf the GOP offers HRC zero competition, why is Obama encouraging Biden to enter the race when HRC is such a lock to win the Presidency?
@9:30,
DeleteI really don't know what you mean by the "only thing".
"What you are witnessing is the "media" pounding on the only thing they have to write about Hillary."
She has been making serious and important policy speeches from the moment she announced. I understand those might be boring to the typical high school mind of a political reporter, but seriously, they are inventing the scandals, they accelerate from zero to light speed in about a half second, wedge the words "scandal" "liar" and "criminal" into as many stories they write about her that they can, rush off to the POLLS to measure how well their negative publicity is working and then sit around clacking amongst themselves about her "email problem". If the reporter from the NY Times who wrote the original story - later characterized by the Public Editor as "a mess" - was working in a real profession with ethics and standards of conduct, he would have been kicked out on his ass the next day. Instead, he continues to pump his garbage fed to him by republicans determined to destroy Clinton before the election.
As I said, this is pretty simple - and transparent.
IF HRC was trying to change the subject from the email scandal, she should have said something controversial instead of stating the obvious.
Delete@3:52
DeleteWhen asked today to name another cabinet member who had a private server, HRC had problems stating the obvious (which would be to acknowledge that she is the only one) and opted to ignore the question. In the HRC world, a reporter is not "entitled" at ask more than one question.
Nice question.
DeleteName another cabinet member who was married and living with a former President of the United States, with round the clock Secret Service protection, and who already had a server set up for himself and his staffs' email.
Go ahead.
@mm
DeleteWillie already admitted that he sent a total of two emails in his entire life. Since 2013, HRC's private server had been in the possession of Platte River New Jersey when the FBI confiscated it. Secret Service is busy guarding HRC's Scooby Doo van.
"The former president, who does regularly use Twitter TWTR +1.40%, has sent a grand total of two emails during his entire life, both as president, says Matt McKenna, his spokesman. After leaving office, Mr. Clinton established his own domain that staff use–@presidentclinton.com. But Mr. Clinton still doesn’t use email himself, Mr. McKenna said."
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/03/10/bill-clinton-still-doesnt-use-email/
So what, I said his staff as well. The point is the server was already there. In fact, it appears that the President had a dedicated full service IT professional. The server handles more than just emails.
DeleteAnyway, it seems our intrepid Fourth Estate has moved on from this phony scandal to issues that actually matter to people. ha ha ha, just kidding.
@mm
DeleteOne wonders why HRC claimed that many of her 30,000 private emails were sent to Willie and received from Willie. I'm sure you have a perfectly reasonable explanation why HRC would claim something she knew to be false?
@mm
DeleteNo explanation? How can you be HRC's flack flunky when you whiff on such a soft ball question?
"But Hillary said during her press conference that her email server "contains personal communications from my husband and me."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2N5HrVUuHI
Cicero @7:16
DeleteIf what you quoted her as saying "contains personal communications from my husband and me" is the basis for your statement that she claimed many of her emails were to and from her husband, you are distorting language. Her quote doesn't say what you are asserting. Her quote says the emails were hers and her husband's private emails -- it doesn't say who sent what to whom. Splitting hairs this finely over language is a kind of lying. It makes me never want to trust anything a conservative person says without seeing the original quote.
@3:10
DeleteWe know Willie never sent HRC an email.
We know HRC claimed that she communicated with Willie by email.
We know communicated involves a two way process.
Now, why would HRC feel compelled to lie about the personal server contents when she could have stuck to the private emails were mostly about yoga and Chelsea's wedding. 30,000 emails about yoga and her daughter' wedding?
Do you inherently trust HRC regardless of how many times she makes assertions that are utter bullocks?
cicero,
Delete3:52 here. I was referring to HRC comparing the GOP's extreme views on women's issues to terrorist groups.
That "liar" really laid down the truth right there.
Half the country is against partial birth abortion. That HRC considers all those who do not share her far left liberal position as "terrorists," but on September 12, 2012, she couldn't apply that word to those who murdered the four Americans in Benghazi is all you need know about HRC's version of truth.
DeleteIt looks like, in the short run, more swinging wild at the Clintons, which, in the long run, tends to work for them.
ReplyDeleteActually, Clinton's poll numbers are unchanged despite all the mud slinging. Her unfavorability ratings have increased but her favorable have stayed unchanged. Her unfavorability ratings are better than those of all the Republicans, despite efforts to drag her down. So it doesn't appear this scandal-mongering is working.
Delete@ 10:23
DeleteSo in spite of the email debacle, HRC still engenders the same response from voters.
"The top three words voters think of to describe Democrat presidential candidate Hillary Clinton are "liar," "dishonest," and "untrustworthy," according to a Quinnipiac University National poll released Thursday. Clinton does have some positive word association. The next few words on the list are "experience" and "strong." But others include "crook," "untruthful," "criminal" and "deceitful."
"The top three words readers think of to describe mercenary troll cicero are 'ignorance is bliss."
DeleteFTFY - no charge
@ 3:35
DeleteActually, the comment at 12:03 outs cicero as a Breitbart troll.
Trashing both Brooke Baldwin and Rachel Maddow in one post. Starting to think you have a problem with women.
ReplyDeleteBob's Big Boy War On Women.
Delete"Has any news figure ever been so devoured by the twin monsters, wealth and fame?"
ReplyDeleteSounds more like Bob is being devoured by his lack of wealth and fame.
Bob was devoured by Maddow complimenting Chris Matthews in 2008 then getting her job without either explaining it or apologizing for it. It is Maddow derangement syndrome much like the Clinton derangement syndrome of some liberals born out of Hillary's lack of apology for her vote on Iraq.
DeleteYeah, Maddow does great work; nothing merits criticism.
DeleteYeah, Bob does great work so he is exempt from getting what he gives.
DeleteNot so much exempt from it... Just that the trolls are unable to provide it. What it is? Substantive criticism.
DeleteThey're good at pretending: pretend Somerby's critique of Maddow is that she's successful.
@ 2:48 PM
DeleteWell put, Bob.
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ReplyDeleteLet me take a gentle stab at bipartisanship, isn't the root of this murky whatever perhaps
ReplyDeleteWashington's capricous approach to "classified" which at some point long ago became so all encompassing it is largely ignored out of practical necessity? Just a thought.
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