Supplemental: One of the oldest recorded tales!

THURSDAY, AUGUST 20, 2015

The night that pulled them through:
When you read The Iliad, you’re reading some of the world’s oldest recorded stories—and some of the most elemental.

Novelists still revise and tinker with those first recorded stories. But The Iliad tells them in simplest form. Homer got there first.

In the past week, we’ve been thinking again about “the night that rips our ranks to shreds or pulls us through.” It occurs in Book 9 of The Iliad, as it begins to appear that the Achaeans will have to abandon their plan to avenge the theft of Helen by taking Troy.

Their leader, lord of men Agamemnon, decides to sail home, defeated. Headstrong young Diomedes rises to say that he will stay and continue the fight alone.

The group is coming apart at the seams. Nestor, the seasoned charioteer, rises to offer advice. (“From the early days his plans and tactics always seemed the best.”)

In Professor Fagles’ 1990 translation, these events follow Diomedes’ speech. Nestor scrambles to his feet to urge a wiser course:
THE ILIAD: All the Achaeans shouted their assent,
stirred by the stallion-breaking Diomedes' challenge.
But Nestor the old driver rose and spoke at once.

“Few can match your power in battle, Diomedes,
and in council you excel all men your age
But you don't press on and reach a useful end.
How young you are—why, you could be my son,
my youngest-born at that, though you urge our kings
with cool clear sense: what you've said is right.

But it's my turn now, Diomedes.
I think I can claim to have some years on you.
So I must speak up and drive the matter home.
And no one will heap contempt on what I say,
not even mighty Agamemnon. Lost to the clan,
lost to the hearth, lost to the old ways, that one
who lusts for the horror of war with his own people.”
Nestor is warning Diomedes and his allies—nothing good is going to come from a split within the clan. Moments later, he even says this:

“Tonight's the night that rips our ranks to shreds or pulls us through.”

Hillary Clinton and Julius Jones conducted an ancient discussion last week. For our money, Clinton’s position made more sense, on balance. But in the end, that’s not the point.

We’ve been thinking about Book 9 all week, with a possible sense of foreboding. That was a dangerous evening back then. Homer recorded it first.

34 comments:

  1. Debbie Wasserman Schultz is based on a character from the Iliad, Harpy.

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    1. Debbie Wasserman Schultz = US Congresswoman and Chair of the Democratic Committee

      cicero = sadsack trolling for wingnut pennies from parents' basement.

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    2. DWS= Harpy who on two separate occasions couldn't provide the answer to the question what is the difference between a Democrat and a Socialist.

      Perhaps the Afghan Hound sleeping on her head interferes with mental acuity.

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    3. Way to prove 553's point, troll.

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    4. @8:37

      5:33's complaint is that no matter how poorly a public official does their job they shouldn't be criticized or ridiculed. Of course that only applies to liberal public officials.

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  2. Not clear whether Somerby is urging the BLM folks not to turn on the liberal candidates, or the Sanders and Clinton supporters not to wage war, although that's what a campaign is about. If BLM supporters decide no candidate shares their interests sufficiently, that's what 3rd parties are for. It is part of our democratic process. I dsee the Illiad as a good analogy because politics is what you do to avoid war, and it is tough enough to withstand dissent. Clinton may lose but voters have the right to follow their own interests as they perceive them. There will be no war. I think BLM supporters would be better off with a Democrat than a Republican, but it is up to them to reach that conclusion.

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    1. And I think they would be better off with a Democrat than with taking their marbles and going home, but it is up to them to reach that conclusion.

      Of course, it's up to reasonable people to have reasonable discussions that might help other reasonable people reach reasonable conclusions...

      When mass media "discussions" take the form of charades, I support calling that for what it is.

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    2. In a more rational election system, it would make sense to reject the offerings from both Democrats and Republicans if what they offer falls too short of what you want. However, here in the real world, choosing neither is not really a choice. Either a Democrat or a Republican *will* be the next President and the system is sufficiently rigged against third parties that no amount of protest voting will change that. If BLM supporters and others feel that the only way to show their unhappiness is to sit out the election, then they might as well just vote Republican and see how that turns out. The best solution is to change the election system to make it possible for third party candidates to be heard and elected (instant run off voting, for example). If you are angry enough, make it happen!

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  3. When you are reading the Howler you are reading one of the internet's oldest blogs and one of its most repetitive.

    Bob Somerby revives and tinkers with his old stories, and Noble Nestor was one of the first and still a favorite..

    "Our internationally-acclaimed Task Force on Classical Allusions was scratching its head as we watched HardballThursday night, as we enjoyed a surprise appearance by AP’s Walter Mears on the inventive CNBC program.

    And then, of course! The team had it at last! It was noble Nestor whom Mears evoked--Homer’s noble Nestor, king of Pylos’ sandy harbor, seasoned old chieftain to the long-haired Achaeans... You recall:"

    June 2, 1998 One of the early, early Howlers!

    "Our Internationally-Acclaimed Task Force on Classical Allusions was pondering the remarkable events down in Florida. And then, of course! The team had it at last! It was noble Nestor whom the times evoked!"

    November 14, 2000 Nestor fits the Florida recount!

    "We strongly recommend the transcript of last night’s Hardball, featuring John Kerry for the full hour before a student group at The Citadel. Kerry offered intelligent, nuanced views about war with Iraq—Such discussions have occurred since the dawn of the west—at least since noble Nestor, the seasoned charioteer, spoke words of wisdom to ardent Diomedes in the war councils portrayed in The Iliad."

    October 3, 2002 Kerry plays the Nestor role

    Over the years, Jeff Greenfield has evoked memories of Noble Nestor. So has E.J Dionne. Now, as Bob grows long in the tooth, his most recent person to play Nestor was Bob himself, when he advised young readers not to believe all the nasty things being said about Rudy Giuliani (Dec. 22, 2014).

    But perhaps the best invocation of the old sage, complete with Bob Somerby's almost constant phrase of praise for the piquant translation of Professor Fagles, was his phrase for phrase comparison of Noble Nestor to Al Gore.

    The title of that post was Gore on War. It is not to be confused with the equally recurring phrase War on Gore. June 3, 2004. We strongly recommend you revisit it time and time again.

    http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh060304.shtml

    A final piteous note: “Do you think Bob had figured out by June, 2004, when Al Gore spoke out, that Saddam did not have those WMD's Bob was sure he had back in April, 2003?

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    1. "Here at THE HOWLER, we’ve never doubted that Saddam had WMDs. In fact, we’d be surprised if he didn’t. We think antiwar types set themselves up for a fall when they crow about the lack of quick discovery."

      Bob Somerby 4/22/2003

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    2. Yep, he should've doubted it. So should have many others.

      Nevertheless, wariness of hinging one's anti-war position on the lack of WMD was quite reasonable.

      It's entirely honest, I'm certain, for some people to have said, "Well I'm anti-war because I'm certain no WMD exist; if they do exist, well, then I'm pro-war."

      But it would've also been -- and was! -- reasonable for many other people holding an anti-war position to stake out a stronger case, one that wasn't contingent on the non-existence of WMD.

      TL;DR: Tired, old "gotcha" is tired, old.

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    3. Bob-apology types calling anyone out for revisitng old material? Interesting.

      Bob-apology types,noticing how many times Bob professes he doesn't know (Hillary email wrongdoing for example). But here Bob had no doubts. Fascinating.

      I think Bob apology types are setting themselves up for a fall.

      Or at least not getting in a four year college and possibly seeing a governor indicted.

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    4. 5:34 - Sick burn! Devastating.

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    5. Anon 8:44 - So back in 2003 you actually *knew* that there were no WMDs. How very interesting. I would submit that even today you don't know that. You only know what someone else has told you. How often have you visited Iraq since the war? Have you completed your tour of hidey-holes? You know nothing about what you are talking about and then you make fun of Bob if he says he doesn't know. Grow up.

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  4. Couldn't have said it better myself.

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    "Oh, I love Donald Trump because he exposes everything about the Republican Party that I have frankly come to hate. It is just filled with people who are crazy, and stupid, and have absolutely no idea of what they are taking about. And the candidates, no matter how intelligent they may be, just constantly have to keep pandering to this lowest common denominator in American politics."

    The harshness of the comments shocked Chris Hayes. He said it seemed like an elitist generalization. One can be sure there was a journalistic wink in Chris Hayes's pushback.

    But Bartlett continued. "I think it is pretty obvious to anyone who follows politics. The problem is to use a term that I don't like, it's not politically correct to point out the obvious. And again I think Trump is pointing this out. Among other things, to follow up with your comment, one of the things that we are seeing very clearly this time more than any other year is that issues don't matter. Policies don't matter. The only thing that matters is attitude. And Trump has exactly the right 'chip on your shoulder' attitude that many, many people find extraordinarily attractive that is completely divorced from whatever he is saying about the issues, which is precious little."
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  5. Yesterday Spocko at Digby's Hullabaloo described the "but Clinton rule". Whenever some sexual "misbehavior" is discovered on the right, an equally horrifying story about Clinton is trotted out. Following the other Clinton rules, Spocko doesn't bother to say that those stories are untrue. Why is our own party unwilling to defend its best president and best-liked politician? Spocko added those words "equally horrible" and doesn't bother to acknowledge the sexual smear campaign that has been part of the campaign to take down Clinton. Shame on Spocko.

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    1. @ 11:14 has finally figured out other people write posts at Hullabaloo besides Digby. Too bad @ 11:14 is still one of those Clinton supporters Who Bob Somerby may have been describving as her biggest problem. She/he totally misses and thus misprepresents Spoko's point.

      For those who care to read it, go here:

      http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2015/08/how-will-campaigns-use-ashley-madison.html

      Spoko wasn't writing about Clinton so there was no need to defend Clinton. Spoko was cautioning against enjoying the stories which will result from the data breach at Ashley Madison.

      "When this happens it often pushes people to defend people or acts that they disagree with but need to defend on principle.

      In the olden days I called it the "But Clinton!" rule because every time you brought up a horrible thing from the right you got a story about Clinton showing equal horribleness."

      Spoko

      Here on these pages we are seeing, from some (but not all) Clinton supporters, the reverse "but Clinton rule." Whenever a criticism of Clinton is raised, we get the "but others did it" defense. And it doesn't matter to those who invoke this rule that "no, in fact, the others you cite did not do what Clinton did." Nor does it matter that the act they defend is one which they would and perhaps did deplore when it was committed by someone they did not like.

      Just as it never mattered to those on the right, when they invoked the "but Clinton" rule that Clinton did not do what they were using to defend something someone on the right did which was the subject of the criticism.

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    2. Many prospective voters weren't following politics in the 90s so they don't know what Clinton did and especially didn't do. Jokes by late night comedians about Bill Clinton's sleaziness have created an image that he ignores but requires pushback. Socko is just another example of a purported liberal failing to correct the record. It doesn't matter what the rest of the article was about. He or she needed a sentence saying that those "equally horrible" allegations against Clinton were untrue, unsubstantiated, and largely manufactured.

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  16. Hi everyone,
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    My husband and I have been married for about 7 yrs now. We were happily married with two kids, a boy and a girl. 3 months ago, I started to notice some strange behavior from him and a few weeks later I found out that my husband is seeing someone. He started coming home late from work, he hardly care about me or the kids anymore, Sometimes he goes out and doesn't even come back home for about 2-3 days. I did all I could to rectify this problem but all to no avail. I became very worried and needed help. As I was browsing through the internet one day, I came across a website that suggested that Dr Unity can help solve marital problems, restore broken relationships and so on. So, I felt I should give him a try. I contacted him and and told him my problems and he told me what to do and i did it and he did a spell for me. 24 hours later, my husband came to me and apologized for the wrongs he did and promise never to do it again. Ever since then, everything has returned back to normal. I and my family are living together happily again.. All thanks to Dr Unity.If you have any problem contact him and i guarantee you that he will help you. He will not disappoint you. Email him at: Unityspelltemple@gmail.com or call him on: +2348072370762..I am Donna Murray by name and I reside here in United States..Contact Dr.Unity for help via email: Unityspelltemple@gmail.com .

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  17. I want to let the world know about Doctor paul the Great spell caster that brought back my husband to me when i thought all hope was lost. Doctor paul used his powerful spell to put a smile on my face by bringing back my man with his spell, at first i thought i was dreaming when my husband came back to me on his knees begging me to forgive him and accept him back and even since then he loves me more than i ever expected so i made a vow to my self the i will let the World know about Doctor paul because he is a God on earth. Do you have problems in your relationship ? have your partner broke up with you and you still love and want him back ? Do you have problem with your finance ? or do you need help of any kind then contact Doctor paul today for i give you 100% guarantee that he will help you just as he helped me. Doctor paul email is: salvationlovespell@gmail.com or contact directly from web http://salvationlovespellforallnation.webs.com/

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  18. Dear friends, my name is SUSAN from united states i had a problem with my boyfriend 2years ago, which lead to our break up. when he broke up with me, i was not my self again, i felt so empty inside me. until a friend of mine told me about a spell caster who helped him in the same problem too. i email Dr UKO the spell caster and i told him my problem and i did what he asked of me, to cut the long story short. before i knew what was happening my boyfriend gave me a call and told me that he was coming back to me in just 2days and was so happy to have him back to me. we have two kids together and we are happy with our selves. thanks to Dr UKO for saving my relationship and for also saving others own too. continue your good work the great spell caster email address : ukospelltemple@yahoo.com / Website; ukospelltemple.wixsite.com/mysite or whatsapp him on ; +2347064650019

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