Supplemental: The Iowa polls and the gender wage gap!

FRIDAY, AUGUST 14, 2015

We’ll call it a tale of two problems
: As we fight a mild case of the labyrinthitis, we’ll call it a tale of two problems.

Let’s start with those latest Iowa polls and the press corps’ attempt to report them. But first, a quick bit of background:

The cable “news” channels are devoting themselves to all-candidates-all-the-time. Shark attacks can be forgotten in a delicious summer like this.

If it isn’t Trump/Biden, it just isn’t news! Meanwhile, they’re obsessing about the latest polls. They can’t get enough of new polling!

Can we talk? Obsessing on the polls in August is like measuring the height and weight of your two-year-old son in an attempt to determine if he will ever become an NFL lineman.

Except in the most general sense, current polls have very little predictive value. Obsessing on day-to-day changes at this time, based on results from single polls, is the work of our culture’s glorious fools—our corporate “news” purveyors.

That said, they love to talk about personalities—and they love the thrill of the horse race!Of course, a real horse race lasts roughly two minutes. As a boon to the industry, they stretch their quadrennial horse race out, making it last two years.

At this point, the latest poll is basically useless. Making matters even worse, consider the way our “journalists” sometimes report these polls!

We were struck by Politico’s hapless reports on the latest Iowa polls. The reports were written by a young person who’s just one year out of college.

At this high-profile site, her competence was hard to discern—and her reports were weirdly unbalanced. Did an editor examine her work? Luckily for him or her, he or she went unnamed.

What was wrong with Politico’s reporting? In its report on the new Democratic poll from Iowa, Politico stressed a debunking fact, starting right in its headline:

“Poll: Hillary Clinton leads in Iowa, but majority not firmly decided”

Clinton is way ahead in this new Iowa poll, which was conducted by CNN/ORC. She leads Bernie Sanders, 50-31, even with Joe Biden mysteriously thrown in the mix.

(At present, he isn’t a candidate.)

Clinton’s ahead by 19 points in this poll—but Politico stressed a debunking fact: 54 percent of respondents said they haven’t firmly decided! This debunking fact appeared in Collins’ second paragraph, then jumped to Politico’s headline.

Clinton’s large lead was undermined from the headline on down. But uh-oh! In their report on the new Republican poll, Collins and Politico played things different.

In the new Iowa poll, Trump is ahead by only eight points—but Collins and Politico stressed the gigantic size of his lead. Meanwhile, 66 percent of Republican voters said they haven’t firmly decided. This larger group of not-fully-decideds was played down in Politico’s report.

Given the companion report about the Democratic poll, what you see below is just horrible work. Exciting headline included:
COLLINS (8/12/15): Donald Trump dominates Iowa in CNN poll

Donald Trump has seized a commanding lead in Iowa, drawing nearly double the support of his closest competitor,
in a new poll by CNN and ORC that shows the real estate mogul’s staying power as controversy swirls around his campaign.

The poll, which was conducted after last Thursday’s debate and as Trump hurled nasty insults about Fox News host Megyn Kelly, showed Trump leading the Republican field with 22 percent among Iowa caucus-goers.

Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson came in second with 14 percent, and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, who until recently was leading polls in Iowa, came in at 9 percent.
Is 22 percent “nearly double” 14 percent? It can be if you’re excited!

Meanwhile, note the way Collins and Politico characterize the size of Trump’s lead. With an eight-point lead, he “dominates Iowa!” His lead in the state is “commanding.”

Clinton’s 19-point lead is undermined by the fact that many Dems are undecided. The fact that substantially more Republicans are undecided wasn’t allowed to sully our sense of Trump’s commanding lead.

Politico is a high-profile site. This work was done by a kid reporter who’s barely out of college. If an older editor was part of the mix, he or she ought to retire.

Obsessing on these polls at this time is silly, unhelpful—absurd. It’s a mark of the low IQ which defines our cable “news” business.

At Politico, they found a way to make things worse! An 8-point lead is “commanding,” they said.

A 19-point lead is less.

Later today: The Times and the gender wage gap

76 comments:

  1. "Just before Donald Trump launched his bid for the Oval Office, he got on the phone with a man who knows plenty about the job — former President Bill Clinton.

    The Republican real estate mogul shared a private phone conversation with Clinton — husband of the 2016 Democratic front-runner — in late May, and went on to kick off his campaign in mid-June, The Washington Post reported Wednesday.

    The report, citing four Trump allies and a Clinton associate, said the former President urged Trump to take on a larger role in the Republican Party and offered his views on politics."

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      Hello, i just want to share my experience and testimony here.. i was married for 4 years to my husband and all of a sudden another woman came into the picture, he started hailing me and he was abusive but i still loved him with all my heart and wanted him at all cost… then he filed for divorce, my whole life was turning apart and i didn't know what to do; he moved out of the house and abandoned the kids.. So a friend of mine told me about trying spiritual means to get my husband back and introduced me to a spell caster… i decided to try it reluctantly although i didn't believe in all those things… then when this great man Dr Eboehi did the special prayers and spell, after 2days, my husband came back and was pleading he had realized his mistakes.. i just couldn't believe it.. anyways we are back together now and we are happy.. In-case anyone of you is passing through any relationship problem i would advise you to email this Great Man via: eboehispellcaster@yahoo.com or call (208) 627-4749 and live a better life. thanks Sylvia Martin from Texas

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  2. "Hello Bill"

    "Hey, Donald, what's happening?"

    "Bill, I just wanted to give you a heads up. I'm gonna run for president so I won't be able to contribute to the foundation this year and possibly the next."

    "No problem Don, we appreciate your support in the past. I understand completely."

    "Don, my advice for the campaign is keep your pants zipped and never give anyone your right name." (laughs)

    "Catch you later."

    Both hang up

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    1. "At Trump’s 2005 wedding, Hillary Clinton sat in the front row for the ceremony, and Bill Clinton joined her for festivities later. The Clintons were photographed laughing chummily with Trump and new wife Melania Knauss at the reception, with Bill Clinton clasping Trump’s shoulder.

      Trump has also donated to Hillary Clinton’s Senate campaigns and to the Clinton Foundation."

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    2. Many people have friends who don't share their politics. Hopefully, the good work done by the foundation is nonpartisan. Why would you even post that comment?

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    3. You do not fid it peculiar HRC is matey with the guy she calls a racist, sexist, and xenophobe.

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    4. Please quote where Clinton called Trump those names.

      If you only have Republican friends and acquaintances, and cannot be friendly or civil with cross-aisle colleagues, you are a pitiful person. Anyone who cannot connect with those with different views will be unable to forge alliances and negotiate compromises, unable to enact legislation or treaties. A poor prospect for president. It doesn't surprise me you don't understand this. Look what you spend your day doing.

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    5. @12:09

      "In 2009, the Clinton Foundation spent $126 million on pharmaceutical and care partner expenses. By 2011, those activities were virtually non-existent. The group spent nothing on pharmaceutical expenses and only $1.2 million on care partner expenses. In 2012 and 2013, the Clinton Foundation spent $0. In just a few short years, the Clinton’s primary philanthropic project transitioned from a massive player in global pharmaceutical distribution to a bloated travel agency and conference organizing business that just happened to be tax-exempt."

      Foreign nations are padding the Clinton Foundation and Willie's personal bank account while HRC was head of Foggy Bottom because they were overcome with altruism.

      "Where he once had drawn $150,000 for a typical address in the years following his presidency, Clinton saw a succession of staggering paydays for speeches in 2010 and 2011, including $500,000 paid by a Russian investment bank and $750,000 to address a telecom conference in China."

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    6. @12:20

      You are delusional. Trump's defection from the Democratic Party is three years old. HRC and Willie were hanging out with a fellow Democrat, not a Republican.

      And that the husband of the wife who is running for POTUS encourages Trump to run against her is your idea of "connecting with those of different views" is hysterical.

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    7. The foundation shifted from providing direct services to funding other organizations to provide the services.

      What is wrong with international firms contributing to global charities?

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    8. @12:39

      Why not bypass the Clinton Foundation altogether and contribute directly to the numerous charities that actually spend the money on the charity? The only reason foreign entities land on the Clinton Foundation is they know their millions will ensure favorable influence as wielded by the U.S. Secretary of State and possible next POTUS.

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    9. @ 11:34, 12:12, 12:24, 12:33

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    10. Is cicero paid to be here or what? No matter how off-point his/her comments are, he/she is always here with a fact-free shift to the subject of how awful Hillary Clinton is.

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    11. Al Fan Al-AddahtimeAugust 14, 2015 at 2:52 PM

      Is Bob paid to be here? Now matter how off point, he always finds a way to shift the subject to what happened to Al Gore.

      Al Gore, by the way, sends word that he, like Joe Biden, is not in the race.

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    12. @ Urban,

      Please cite the information about HRC in my posts that is not factual. B.S. has in fact followed up my subject matter in subsequent Howler daily postings. He just needs help in identifying topics that are actually topical.

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    13. Nothing you write is factual. It is all conservative propaganda.

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    14. Well @ 1:15, your intellectual tour de force through the combox in the wee hours was nothing to write home about either for Tribe Liberalworld.

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    15. @ 1:15

      How long have you been into liberal woo? But thank you for admitting you are incapable of refuting any examples of HRC's compulsive lies.

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    16. When a liar calls another a liar, who will believe him? You have no credibility here.

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    17. @ 11:07

      I have posted HRC's lies. Howler libs are incapable of refuting her lies. How am I lying posting HRC's lies? In order for your credibility equation to work you have to demonstrate where I have lied.

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  3. "Is 22 percent “nearly double” 14 percent? It can be if you’re excited!"

    Now that's funny.

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    1. @mm

      More fun with numbers.

      "... it is just wonderful to be back in Oregon, and over the last 15 months we've traveled to every corner of the United States. I've now been in fifty .... seven states? I think one left to go. One left to go." Candidate Obama June, 2008


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    2. Wow. That's stupid coming from a Presidential candidate.
      Not as stupid as claiming one is against wasteful government spending after supporting the great Iraq clusterfuck (which has cost trillions), but stupid nonetheless.

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    3. Out of context it is unclear whether Obama might not have been demonstrating how whirlwind traveling can make you feel so disoriented you forget how many states there are. He may have been saying it feels like there are 57 states. Trolls don't do figurative language -- it is all literal when playing gotcha. Does it really seem likely a presidential candidate would not know there are 50 states (excluding Sarah Palin)?

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    4. @ 12:06

      Another pointless reminder of why paid trolling is the same as or worse than spam.

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    5. @12;28

      Too bad there is video of Obama saying what he said. No mention of "it feels like" 58 states. Libs claim "figurative language" and "out of context" when the Constitutional law professor makes a fool of himself.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

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    6. Excessively literal.

      "The moon is a ghostly galleon tossed upon stormy seas..."

      I looked at the sky and there was no boat or water anywhere near the moon. You moron.

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    7. @ 12:39

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    9. @12:42

      Brilliant. Obama was too wearisome to recall the number of U.S. States, but he still had the intellectual fortitude to toss off a sublime sonnet. Would it crush you to just admit the guy committed a bona fide gaffe? Not withstanding The New Yorker cover, Obama doesn't really walk on water.

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    10. mm exlaiming (and explaining) a Bob-joke wins him tickets to Bob Somerby's next stand up gig or a seat at the next Federal Training program featuring the seasoned public management expertise of one of the pioneers of Al Gore's Creative Initiative.

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    11. Hey douche, thanks for the link! I might have guessed.

      It indeed looks like Obama was going for a laugh. And the tape reveals that he got it. And smiled in response.

      So, a joke.

      I'm not claiming, nor did it seem that 12:28 Anon was claiming, that Obama "walks on water." Context was mentioned.

      You provided it, though it seems you don't get it.

      Who'da thunk it?

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    12. Tooth Ree YearslaterAugust 14, 2015 at 2:10 PM

      I would say the better joke is that some Obama haters still use the 58 state line even after the guy handily won two Presidentail elections, and some Somerby fans feel the necessity of responding by debating it.

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    13. "I would say that the better joke is that ..." ZZZZZZZZzzz,

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    14. Liberals like to sleep in the woods after a tough afternoon of being baited douchy trolls.

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    15. @ 2:04

      Obama was going for a laugh? Two Oregonians in attendance felt sorry for him and managed a nervous guffaw. One wonders why Obama didn't decide to use such comedic gold at any other gathering.

      But if you sincerely believe Obama was going for a laugh, here he is speaking to the African Union in Ethiopia saying he can't run again for POTUS where upon the audience cheers and that if he could run again he would win and the audience laughs.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e7nM9kBhP0

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    16. I didn't say he told a joke. I said he used language illustrating how many states he felt he had been in as a kind of hyperbole. Like when Carl Sagan says there are billions and billions of stars -- a gross under count. If you don't get this I think you being deliberately obtuse or you failed high school English a few times.

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    17. Cicero, The Highwayman by Noyes is not a sonnet. It is a poem used in middle school to teach students to recognize figurative language. No doubt you were home schooled.

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    18. @ 1:09 didn't say Obama told a joke. But then, cicero was not saying @ 1:09 did nor responding to @ 1:09 at all. @ 1:09 said something even more preposterous to which nobody responded and then continues to demonstrate how futility works in Bobworld.

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    19. Here is POTUS Obama demonstrating his prowess in U.S. Presidential history.

      Obama declares that he is the "first president since George Washington to make some booze in the White House." How will Howler libs spin this utter fallacy. No doubt he was speaking "figuratively" about 1600 Pennsylvania avenue or was using "hyperbole" or going for a laugh....or...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZlzY6hsNh0

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    20. @ 1:21

      "The Highwayman by Noyes is not a sonnet. It is a poem ..."

      Sonnets are poems. You are obviously the product of a public school education.

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    21. A sonnet is a specific kind of poem. Not all poems are sonnets. The Highwayman is not a sonnet. It has too many lines.

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    22. Sonnets are a subgroup of the class poems.
      All sonnets are poems, but not all poems are sonnets.
      For one thing, sonnets only have 14 lines, ergo, any poem longer than 14 lines cannot be a sonnet.

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    23. @ 11:04 & 11:18

      True. But since Obama was speaking literally, all this is moot.

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    24. Got it, 11:04.
      It's obvious now, like not all conservatives are racists...

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    25. No, the "57 states" remark wasn't meant as a joke. Based on the clip, it was clearly an error, but not of the sort that suggests Obama thought there were 57 states. What he said is that he'd already visited 57 states, with one left to go, not including Hawaii and Alaska. Adding those three, the total would be 60. It's pretty clear that he meant to say 47 instead of 57. To anyone who hasn't made this sort of mental subtraction error, I congratulate you for being perfect. I have plenty of beefs with Obama's performance as president, but to suggest that this remark proves that he's ignorant of elementary school level US history is absurd.

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    26. @ 12:30

      And to dismiss the gaffe as "figurative language, " "hyperbole," "making a joke" or being "taken out of context" is equally absurd.

      Now how do you explain Obama believing POTUS George Washington made booze in the White House when G.W. never lived in The White House?

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  4. A poll in one state is conducted by one media outlet. This leads Bob Somerby, a day and a half later, to report to his readers:

    "Let’s start with those latest Iowa polls and the "press corps’ attempt to report them.....

    At this point, the latest poll is basically useless. Making matters even worse, consider the way our “journalists” sometimes report these polls!

    We were struck by Politico’s hapless reports on the latest Iowa polls."

    Is one web based publication's report of a meaningless poll representative of "the press corps’"? What is the margin of error of selecting one publication as a representation of the entire press corps? And if the press is obsessing on '"meaningless" early polls, what is the word to describe Bob's fixation on one "meaningless" early article and the age of the reporter.

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    1. The Trolls We're Stuck WithAugust 14, 2015 at 2:05 PM

      It's not the press! It's Somerby!!!!

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    2. Sounds like Eliza Collins has several more years experience working as a reporter than Bob Somerby.

      I bet she has more college coursework in statistics, too.
      Based on Bob's age and the lax requirements for liberal arts degrees when he got one.

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    3. I'd say the Politico headline writer is more accurate than Somerby in addiiton to their kid reporter being more experienced.

      Anybody find the wage gap issue discussed here? Oh wait, it is in a teaser. Guess that makes Bob a Maddowsketeer.

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    4. If this writer is so much more qualified than Somerby why did she make such a bone-headed mistake?

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    5. I didn't see anyone say she did not make a mistake. She was simply being compared to Somerby.

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  5. Needless to say Bob wants to start with the Iowa poll reporting in Politico, and debunk the value of polls in general because he doesn't want to start with what is happening to Hillary in New Hampshire.

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  6. I have a question that my be too complex for all but those on the waiting list for the next open Analyst position at Campus Somerby.

    Is this post part of the Prevent President Walker jihad Bob has been waging so successfully?

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  7. TDH shrewdly observes,
    ******
    Meanwhile, note the way Collins and Politico characterize the size of Trump’s lead. With an eight-point lead, he “dominates Iowa!” His lead in the state is “commanding.”

    Clinton’s 19-point lead is undermined by the fact that many Dems are undecided. The fact that substantially more Republicans are undecided wasn’t allowed to sully our sense of Trump’s commanding lead.
    *****
    “It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words.”
    ― George Orwell, 1984


    “You are a slow learner, Winston."
    "How can I help it? How can I help but see what is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four."
    "Sometimes, Winston. Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes they are all of them at once. You must try harder. It is not easy to become sane.”
    ― George Orwell, 1984





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  8. Words of wisdom from the wise savant, Bob Somerby, master of many fields of endeavor:

    "Can we talk? Obsessing on the polls in August is like measuring the height and weight of your two-year-old son in an attempt to determine if he will ever become an NFL lineman.

    Except in the most general sense, current polls have very little predictive value."

    From some of those pointy headed professor types a few years back:

    "The flurry of candidate announcements in an open race has spurred media attention to the 2008 presidential contest even earlier in the electoral cycle than usual. But followers of early poll readings on the relative viability of declared candidates should bear in mind some caveats. Early frontrunners for the Republican nomination in most of the past seven open contests have gone on to win the nomination, but this year there is not one but two GOP frontrunners. On the Democratic side, even when there is a clear frontrunner as there is this year with Sen. Hillary Clinton, the early polls have been less reliable in predicting who will capture the nomination."

    http://www.pewresearch.org/2007/02/14/how-reliable-are-the-early-presidential-polls/

    Those words were co-authored by Professor Scott Keeter, PhD who was, and still is, Director of Survey Research at Pew Research Center. We know Bob Somerby, BA has a low opnion of professors and Pew. Blogger Somerby has never, to our knowledge, designed, implemented, or analyzed a piece of survey research in his life. He has never, to our knowledge, worked in a professional capacity in a political campaign, or as a reporter.

    However, to a hardy band of tribal followers, he is not a loon typing the same thing over and over at a keyboard about how incompetenet and crazy everyone else is but him.

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    1. Ah, I see. That must explain why in 2008, about 2 seconds after Obama won in Iowa by about 7% over Edwards and Clinton, the entire media industrial complex had declared Obama the Democratic nominee and began their incessant strident demands that Hillary Clinton get out of the race. Got it.

      Oh yes, and I see that the writer in Politico has a little footnote under his story where he references Professor Scott Keeter, PhD to explain his varying standards for what constitutes a "dominating" lead in the polls.

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    2. Really folks. Is mm trying to win the "I can do something dumber than Rachel Maddow's Friday Night News Dump" contest?

      Oh, you see?

      With mm invoking Iowa 2008, lets all see the Howling savant's genius at work once more:

      "current polls have very little predictive value"

      Howling Savant Somerby

      "WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York retains her position firmly at the front of the pack of Democratic presidential candidates, with a poll Thursday giving her 44 percent of the vote, nearly double the 24 percent garnered by the next-closest candidate, Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois."

      CNN Eight Years Ago (Very Excited, we might doubly add)

      http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/09/2008.dems.poll/index.html

      See how smart our Bob was and is. Who could have seen Hilalry about to crater? But Wait! There was more! That was national polling. In Iowa, those obsesssing over early polls might have seen an NFL monster lineman brewing. A few paragraphs later in that same CNN article:

      "A Washington Post/ABC News poll of Iowa voters released on August 3 had Clinton, Obama and Edwards in a virtual tie in that key early caucus state. Obama led with 27 percent, while Clinton and Edwards both had 26 percent."

      Oh yes, and mm sees the writer in Poltico as a male. Described "him" that way three times in one sentence. Did your Howling savant mislead poor whiny mm?

      "We were struck by Politico’s hapless reports on the latest Iowa polls. The reports were written by a young person who’s just one year out of college.

      "At this high-profile site, her competence was hard to discern—and her reports were weirdly unbalanced. Did an editor examine her work?"

      Howling Savant Somerby

      Can't blame Bob. He knows a woman when he sees and denounces her as clueless every time.

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    3. This troll seems to be shifting his animus toward Somerby onto mm.

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    4. In our view it may have been frustration that Somerby never got around to the gender gap and mm wandered into one on his/her own.

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    5. Fulfill your deepest heart desires!!! (eboehispellcaster@yahoo.com)

      Hello, i just want to share my experience and testimony here.. i was married for 4 years to my husband and all of a sudden another woman came into the picture, he started hailing me and he was abusive but i still loved him with all my heart and wanted him at all cost… then he filed for divorce, my whole life was turning apart and i didn't know what to do; he moved out of the house and abandoned the kids.. So a friend of mine told me about trying spiritual means to get my husband back and introduced me to a spell caster… i decided to try it reluctantly although i didn't believe in all those things… then when this great man Dr Eboehi did the special prayers and spell, after 2days, my husband came back and was pleading he had realized his mistakes.. i just couldn't believe it.. anyways we are back together now and we are happy.. In-case anyone of you is passing through any relationship problem i would advise you to email this Great Man via: eboehispellcaster@yahoo.com or call (208) 627-4749 and live a better life. thanks Sylvia Martin from Texas

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  9. In the United Kingdom and in some other places, the silly season is the period lasting for a few summer months typified by the emergence of frivolous news stories in the media.

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    1. @ gravy,

      The Royals ensure the silly season in the U.K. is year round.

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  10. Suck it, Becky Miller!

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  11. I am about two minutes away from punching you in the balls.

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  12. When you hire a millennial to be a reporter, you can pay them their age x 1,000. Collins was probably doing an unpaid internship before the Politico gig, so that will seem like a huge raise.

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  13. Digby sez:

    Police believe that everyone they encounter is trying to kill them. Especially if they are black.

    I say: Where might police get that idea? Is it untrue? How often must it be true in order for an officer to be in danger? If officers behave as if it is never true, can they stay alive? If they act defensively, how do they identify who has hostle intent soon enough to protect themselves.

    I never hear people like Digby discuss this.

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    1. I never heard you mention that Digby used the line to describe a police office testifying as the defendant in a manslaughter trial after he shot an unarmed black man whose sole offense was that he was a car accident victim seeking help in a white North Carolian neighborhood.

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  14. “They're trying to kill me," Yossarian told him calmly.
    No one's trying to kill you," Clevinger cried.
    Then why are they shooting at me?" Yossarian asked.
    They're shooting at everyone," Clevinger answered. "They're trying to kill everyone."
    “And what difference does that make?”
    ― Joseph Heller, Catch 22

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    1. "What difference at this point does it make"
      -HRC, Catch 22

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  15. Si tratta di un incredibile spazio affascinante. Ben fatto. Ho avuto l'opportunità di stage con Liz e lei è assolutamente incredibile! Amo tutto il suo lavoro!
    Juegos Yoob Friv Juegos Yood Juegos Yoom Juegos Yoop Yepi 2016

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  16. Fulfill your deepest heart desires!!! (eboehispellcaster@yahoo.com)

    Hello, i just want to share my experience and testimony here.. i was married for 4 years to my husband and all of a sudden another woman came into the picture, he started hailing me and he was abusive but i still loved him with all my heart and wanted him at all cost… then he filed for divorce, my whole life was turning apart and i didn't know what to do; he moved out of the house and abandoned the kids.. So a friend of mine told me about trying spiritual means to get my husband back and introduced me to a spell caster… i decided to try it reluctantly although i didn't believe in all those things… then when this great man Dr Eboehi did the special prayers and spell, after 2days, my husband came back and was pleading he had realized his mistakes.. i just couldn't believe it.. anyways we are back together now and we are happy.. In-case anyone of you is passing through any relationship problem i would advise you to email this Great Man via: eboehispellcaster@yahoo.com or call (208) 627-4749 and live a better life. thanks Sylvia Martin from Texas

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  17. Getting my husband back with the help of professional love spell .Dr Brave ??

    I'm very excited sharing this amazing testimony about how i save my marriage and get my husband back today, My name is Becky Miller , I live in Los Angeles, California, I'm happily married to a lovely and caring husband ,with three kids. A very big problem occurred in my family seven months ago,between me and my husband .so terrible that he took the case to court for a divorce.he said that he never wanted to stay with me again,and that he didn't love me anymore.So he packed out of the house and made me and my children passed through severe pain. I tried all my possible means to get him back,after much begging,but all to no avail.and he confirmed it that he has made his decision,and he never wanted to see me again. So on one evening,as i was coming back from work,i met an old friend of mine who asked of my husband .So i explained every thing to him,so he told me that the only way i can get my husband back,is to visit a spell caster,because it has really worked for him too.So i never believed in spell,but i had no other choice,than to follow his advice. Then he gave me the email address of the spell caster whom he visited.{bravespellcaster@gmail.com}. So the next morning,i sent a mail to the address he gave to me,and the spell caster assured me that i will get my husband back the next day.What an amazing statement!! I never believed,so he spoke with me,and told me everything that i need to do. Then the next morning, So surprisingly, my husband who didn't call me for the past seven 9 months,gave me a call to inform me that he was coming back.So Amazing!! So that was how he came back that same day,with lots of love and joy,and he apologized for his mistake,and for the pain he caused me and my children. Then from that day,our relationship was now stronger than how it were before,by the help of a spell caster. So, i will advice you out there to kindly visit the same website { http://lovespelldrbrave.weebly.com/. } if you have any problem contact Dr Brave ,{ bravespellcaster@gmail.com }, thanks you Dr Brave, i will always be testifying about your good work.

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