DRUM AND JONES—AND US: We love to loathe the white working class!

FRIDAY, DECEMBER 16, 2016

Say their name, Lilla prescribes:
We liberals!

We love to loathe the white working class. In the wake of last month's election, a person might even call this a bit of a fatal flaw.

"Sounding like a frustrated Cassandra," Vice President Biden lamented this tribal proclivity yesterday on CNN. The description comes from today's New York Times, which quotes part of what Biden said.

“I mean these are good people, man!” Biden is said to have exclaimed. “These aren’t racists. These aren’t sexists.”

Or so Biden said. We liberals tend to know different. For a recent example of what we mean, consider what Markos said. First, though, consider Sarah Kliff's detailed report for Vox.

Kliff spoke to several Trump voters who had managed to get health insurance through Obamacare. She reported from Corbin, Kentucky, part of Whitley County.

For many people, life in Corbin ain't no crystal stair. According to the American Community Survey, 22.8% of the population are living below the federal poverty level.

In Whitley County, the figure stands at 26.0%. That compares to the national figure of 15.5%.

Why would lower-income rustics cast those votes for Trump? Kliff spoke with Kathy Oller, who has spent the past three years "signing up fellow Kentuckians for Obamacare."

Oller did this as her full-time job, a job whose provenance Kliff never explained.

Why would someone insured through Obamacare vote for Candidate Trump? At one point, Oller described one woman's situation, which may have been fairly typical. Highly-evolved progressives like Markos don't seem to care about this:
KLIFF (12/13/16): Oller has traveled around Corbin enrolling residents in health care plans since the coverage expansion started in 2014. And lately, she says, she’s watched the plans get more and more expensive.

[...]

Oller renewed a 59-year-old woman’s coverage (who asked her personal information be left out of this story) just after lunchtime on a Tuesday. She and her husband received a monthly tax credit that would cover most of their premium. But they would still need to contribute $244 each month—and face a $6,000 deductible.

The woman said she had insurance before the Affordable Care Act that was significantly more affordable, with $5 copays and no deductible at all. She said she paid only $200 or $300 each month without a subsidy.

The deductible left her exasperated. “I am totally afraid to be sick,” she says. “I don’t have [that money] to pay upfront if I go to the hospital tomorrow.”

Her plan did offer free preventive care, an Obamacare mandate. But she skips mammograms and colonoscopies because she doesn’t think she’d have the money to pay for any follow-up care if the doctors did detect something.

The woman said she only buys insurance as financial protection—“to keep from losing my house if something major happened,” she says. “But I’m not using it to go to the doctor. I’ve not used anything.”

The woman was mad because her costs felt overwhelmingly expensive. These are some of the most common frustrations with the Affordable Care Act. Surveys show that high deductibles are the top complaint; 47 percent of enrollees told the Kaiser Family Foundation they were dissatisfied with their deductible.

A study from the Commonwealth Fund earlier this year found that four in 10 adults on Affordable Care Act plans didn’t think they could afford to go to the doctor if they got sick. Fewer than half said it was easy to find an affordable plan.
If we might borrow again from Dylan: But oh, what kind of health care is this which goes from bad to worse?

Oller was describing people who are paying for insurance each month but can't afford to see a doctor. We're relying here on Kliff's reporting and expertise. We don't have independent knowledge of the way the ACA works.

That said, this is the third time, in the past few weeks, that we've encountered working-class people offering such complaints. We heard the Colombian immigrant on Brian Lehrer's NPR program describing a similar problem faced by her sister. And when Van Jones went to Trumbull County, Ohio, lifelong Democrat Scott Seitz told him this:

"I think that [Obama] is a good man and he did all he could and we supported him for two elections. And then when those changes really didn't come about and Obamacare actually affected me personally with my own mother, I think we needed a change once again."

Obamacare affected him personally with his own mother? Seitz wasn't asked to explain. But when Kliff spoke to Oller, she was told about economically struggling people who have coverage under Obamacare but can't afford actual health care.

Because we loathe these people so much, this produces little sympathy from our most highly-evolved liberal stars. We liberals! We roll our eyes and wonder why these "idiots" voted for Trump.

In this piece for Salon, Gary Legum criticized those Corbin voters for their "selective hearing." In the process, he produced a world-class example of selective hearing himself.

(Note how quickly Legum skips past the problem we've just described.)

At one point, Legum linked to Markos, who had offered some uplifting thoughts about a related situation in Pennsylvania coal country. Why should We give a fig about Them? Thoughtful headline included:
MOULITSAS (12/12/16): Be happy for coal miners losing their health insurance. They're getting exactly what they voted for

Hillary Clinton won the election, but a system designed to let a powerful minority override the will of the majority selected some asshole. For now, we have to deal with that bullshit reality, and lots of good people will suffer serious consequences. But don’t feel sorry for the ones who enabled this nightmare by voting for the incoming Trump-Putin administration. For example, why should we weep for the retired coal miners who will now lose their health insurance thanks to the GOP majority—despite the best efforts of coal-state Democrats to change the outcome?

Yes, this will be a terrible outcome for a group of people who have really drawn a shitty lot in life. But how sorry should we be for this crowd? Coal country swung hard for Donald Trump, winning 70 to 80 percent of the vote in some of these counties.

Don’t weep for these coal miners, now abandoned by their GOP patrons. They are getting exactly the government that they voted for. Democrats can no longer offer unrequited love and cover for them. And isn’t this what democracy is all about? They won the election! This is what they wanted!
"This is what they wanted!" Increasingly, snark is Us.

People like Markos love to loathe "this crowd." As everyone seems to know except Us, this loathing has long been part of our liberal identity.

At the New Republic, Sarah Jones filed her report under this headline: "Liberals should try not having so much contempt for the poor."

After quoting part of what Markos had said, she cited Paul Krugman, who had responded to Kliff by saying, for the third time, that working-class people only "imagine" that we liberals look down on their kind. In a tweet which seemed to be about Kliff's report, Krugman had snarked a bit:

"People voted Trump to spite liberals who (they imagined) thought them ignorant, are now shocked that they may lose health care. Just saying."

Krugman was just saying! He should have less contempt for "the Joe Sixpacks," Jones was willing to say.

All this week, we've been asking a basic question. Is it possible that last month's election result reflects some possible shortcoming in Us? Is there some way we could improve our game?

During a kitschy CNN town hall program, Van Jones answered in the affirmative. Responding to one of Krugman's tweets, Kevin Drum acknowledged that of course we liberals do tend to sneer at the white working class.

Krugman doesn't seem to understand this; that's a remarkable fact about an invaluable policy maven. That said, Drum himself seemed to skip past the major way we liberals now sneer at the white working class. In comments, Drum's readers seemed to have no idea about the way this syndrome currently works.

How do we liberals sneer at Those People? Let's return to Van Jones.

When Van Jones went to Ohio, Seitz seemed to express a great deal of hostility toward Hillary Clinton. "She hurt us," Seitz said. He seemed to say that Clinton had completely ignored Ohio's white working class.

If only! We recalled what Clinton had said on that one self-defeating occasion:

"You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it!...Now some of those folks—they are irredeemable, but thankfully they are not America."

Oof! Clinton went on to say that the other half of Trump's supporters aren't deplorables. But this was an amazingly impolitic thing to say.

Let's be fair. During a long campaign, every candidate says something dumb or unwise. The problem here isn't the fact that Candidate Clinton unwisely said this. The larger problem here is the fact that she may actually think this.

She may think that she's somehow able to make such sweeping assessments. But clearly, that's what multitudes think within our self-impressed tribe.

One again, let's be fair. In damning only half of Trump's voters, Clinton was being the softy. Again and again, we liberals seem to say that all Trump voters are in that first basket. We're filled with contempt for these people, much as Sarah Jones said.

Krugman keeps saying that The Others are just imagining this. Rolling his eyes at this foolishness, Drum said we sneer at The Others in a wide array of ways. But he didn't mention the sweeping way we bomb them as racists and bigots.

In comments, Drum's readers discussed these ideas. Almost no one seemed aware of the main way We trash Those People.

We trash them as racists and bigots—and, as commenters quickly showed, we also trash them as "idiots." Our loathing erodes our hearts and our minds. When we read about low-income women who can't afford to go to the doctor, we aren't able to understand the words we've just read.

Why should we care about people like Them? On the tuffet he has built, Markos wants to know this.

Shortly after Election Day, Professor Lilla wrote a lengthy piece for the New York Times' Sunday Review. We'll skip his wider-ranging thoughts to focus on one suggestion.

Lilla thinks the liberal world is sunk in "identity politics." You can assess those claims for yourself. We'll only recommend the one highlighted point:
LILLA (11/18/16): One of the many lessons of the recent presidential election campaign and its repugnant outcome is that the age of identity liberalism must be brought to an end. Hillary Clinton was at her best and most uplifting when she spoke about American interests in world affairs and how they relate to our understanding of democracy. But when it came to life at home, she tended on the campaign trail to lose that large vision and slip into the rhetoric of diversity, calling out explicitly to African-American, Latino, L.G.B.T. and women voters at every stop. This was a strategic mistake. If you are going to mention groups in America, you had better mention all of them. If you don't, those left out will notice and feel excluded. Which, as the data show, was exactly what happened with the white working class and those with strong religious convictions. Fully two-thirds of white voters without college degrees voted for Donald Trump, as did over 80 percent of white evangelicals.
If you mention one group, you need to mention them all! When Jones went to Ohio to speak with Seitz, Seitz complained that Candidate Clinton hadn't said his group's name.

Clinton had mentioned every group. Every group but his.

In this morning's New York Times, Tom Vilsack joins Biden in suggesting more outreach to the white working class. He says Democrats should advocate for blacks and for Hispanics. But he says we should also advocate for Them—for women in Colonel Sanders' home town who can't afford to go to the doctor.

Most of us don't know how to contemplate that. Stretching back perhaps fifty years, loathing for the white working class has been a key part of our game. This leaves us mocking those who were failed by our glorious, pissant health plan—the health plan in which we lazily failed to tackle the interests which have made American health care clownishly expensive as compared to that in the rest of the world.

We're too lazy and too dumb to kick up at The Interests. Instead, we kick down at low-income women who can't afford to go to the doctor. Given the fact that they voted for Trump, why should we care about them?

We agree with Vilsack, and with that one prescription by Lilla. Liberals should learn to say their name—also, to show less contempt.

Granted, our loathing makes us feel good. But how did it work out this time?

30 comments:

  1. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cry me a big fat hillbilly elegy for them all.

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  2. Krugman, a jew, will never get it. Because jews almost to a man look down on the white working class.

    Actually, they look down on the working class full stop, but they stay their attacks against the minority working class, as they seek to promote minorities, which they see as allies against white hegemony.

    So, yeah, grab a snickers on that one, Bob.

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  3. So this woman will soon have NO INSURANCE. Brilliant.

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    1. This poor woman's complaints about Obamacare's cost and quality was in contrasting it to her old insurance plan. Bob leaves out it was through her former employer, a local school district. Subsidized, no doubt by Kentucky taxpayers.

      Also, in his effort to stop we, the loathing liberals, from sneering at the lady, Bob repeatedly throughout this series leaves out that this particular lady seems to sneer herself at those below her,who get more help from Medicaid. She says about them at one one point "They’re not the ones who need help. They’re the ones getting the welfare and food stamps. I’m the one who is the working poor."
      The lady, in fact was not working and her husband's income was $20,000 above the Medicaid eligibilty mark.

      Said another Trump voter whose actual employment was created by the Affordable Care Act, “I really think Medicaid is good, but I’m really having a problem with the people that don’t want to work,” she said. “Us middle-class people are really, really upset about having to work constantly, and then these people are not responsible.”

      Us liberals. We should care more for those people who are upset about "these people" getting a much better deal by being responsible for their impoverishment by being irresponsible.

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    2. After subsidies, 59 year-old Oller's annual fixed healthcare costs are up $2,900 under the ACA.

      Then there are the deductibles and the coinsurance -- massively, painfully higher than coverage she had under an employer.

      Rather than admit that this is a problem -- a problem a lot of people might be facing, a problem that could perhaps be addressed -- some of us would prefer to determine whether Oller is a perhaps a sneering hypocrite herself, maybe one who isn't working hard enough!

      If your standards are that hypocrites don't deserve affordable heathcare, you suck.

      Quit worrying about people's morals and intelligence and give some thought to their actual needs, maybe.

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    3. It is hard not to consider this woman stupid when she won't see the doctor for preventative care because he might find something she can't afford to treat. Health problems diagnosed in mammograms will just get worse, cost more to treat, and become a bigger threat to life. This is a deeply stupid woman.

      Her need is to stay alive and maintain functioning. The goal of health care is to keep her alive and functioning. She thinks it is a good idea to avoid the doctor. She is stupid to the point that she shouldn't be making her own health care decisions.

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    4. This is like refusing to change your oil because the mechanic might suggest a brake job. Better to drive around with no brakes and ultimately get in an accident. Brakes don't magically repair themselves. Neither does the body.

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    5. Nona Nym, you can't read. Oller is not the 59 year old woman in question and there is no way to determine how much, if any. her premiums increased under ACA. The figure used is her current premium annually for two people.

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  11. Hard to argue that these people didn't get who and what they voted for.

    They don't have a coherent reason for doing so. Arguing that they should be respected because they can state a reason, no matter how confused and wrong-headed their statement is, doesn't make any sense to me.

    I think Somerby is very wrong about this. We should not be pretending that the foolish things people say make sense when they do not. Of course people have the right to vote for whoever they want, for whatever reason they choose, but we do not have to pretend that their reasons are valid, especially when they cannot state any reason beyond parroting back lies or confused statements of dislike or discontent with their current life circumstances.

    I don't know what can be done to improve the lives of people who have difficulty managing in our complex society. A government bureau of life coaches just isn't going to find funding. But truly, some people just aren't making good choices and the problematic things they choose in life are mirrored in their choice of candidate and the odd and jumbled reasons they give to justify their votes.

    Sorry, Somerby, you are wrong about this and nothing we can say to such people is going to fix this problem. I find myself going back to the idea that the public schools should be helping to prepare people for life, but what if they are doing the best they can but students are not paying attention? In our culture, we don't compel behavior and people are allowed to sink, just because it would impinge on personal freedom to force better choices upon them. The consequence of our freedom is now upon us all.

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  12. Somerby says: Granted our loathing makes us feel good..."

    My loathing makes me feel bad. I am sad when I read interviews like this one. This kind of thing depresses me. I feel sad because of the lives these people live and sad that we cannot help them in any way they will accept. I feel sad that their choices are dooming the planet, extincting animals and that they are brining misery upon themselves and others. It doesn't make me feel good when I read about these people. It makes me cry.

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    1. Somerby must loathes liberals if he thinks that we loathe and not pity people who voted for Trump.

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    2. This is exactly what Trump voters believe the left is doing to its victims, particularly blacks. Destroying their families, creating dependency, apologizing for crime, doubling down on "racism" propaganda when a black president is elected because hope means they will consider other options than Hillary. Their self-appointed saviors are wrecking their lives and everyone else's for political power.

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  13. Apparently Trump voters get a free pass on their bigotry because they don't want to pay the cost of living their lives, which necessarily includes health care. Why?

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  14. Bob, your beef is with the Democratic electeds who wrote and passed the Patient Protection Affordable Care Act. Your beef is with Max Baucus and Anne DeParles who crafted the subsidies schedule and decided that each family must pay at least 8% of their after tax income in premia and deductibles, the so called, "Max Tax."
    Your beef is with the Republican majorities in the House and later the Senate who refused to work with the administration to restructure to ACA so it would be more affordable for families who purchase their insurance through the individual markets.
    Your beef is with John Roberts, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, who blew up nation-wide Medicaid expansion in the Burwell decision. And your beef is with the Republican governors who refused to take free money from the federal government to expand Medicare coverage in their state.

    What do all of the above mentioned people have in common, they can all, through legislation, executive order, or court decision, make the ACA work for people in Kentucky. Those are the people who have to stand up to interest, they're the people who have the expertise or can direct staff with expertise, fix the law.
    People in Kevin Drum's comment section don't have that power, Bob. Rachel Maddow doesn't have that power. Each and every time-serving columnist from the NYT or the Washington Post, does not have that power.

    Kicking down at liberals may make you feel better about the state of the world, but it's not going to change a damn thing in DC. The media ecosystem is not the same place that it was in the 90s. Almost every establishment media organization endorsed HRC and Trump's voters didn't give a flying fuck about those endorsements. A person who gets most of her news about the election from a curated Facebook feed, prolbably isn't reading any of the media organizations that you critique each day. A group of teenagers from Macedonia posting "fake news" about HRC were more influential in this election than 1,000 Fred Hiatts.

    The two political parties in this country have been bent and broken by the plutocrats who fund them, and until you challenge that power, nothing will change.

    Take your own damn advice and stop kicking down. You might find yourself with allies in your fight for a better America.

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  17. Hey!I was in a relationship for quite along time almost 7 years, he cheated with a girl almost 11 years younger than him I took him back because I love him so much. He promised me the world never to leave me never to let me go to make me happy and to make it up to me everyday. 7 weeks later he has broke up with me after a few arguments .. he told me he can’t do it that I’ve ruined everything I deserve it all I’ve treated him bad he gave up his job overseas but he only gave it a week afrer he quit. he has left me in bits and is 1 week later out with other girls please help I don’t know what to do he is telling me he will never ever get back its over and he will never give it a go I have begged and I don’t know why I don’t no why he has done this to me I feel so lifeless… one day in my office going through the internet i saw a post of a lady giving testimony on how she got her husband back,i also come across a blog site on how to reunite and get your ex back with a love spell it was really amazing to see this so i copy his email id on http://happyspelltemple.webs.com/ i explain my situation to him and gave him all the details he requested from me, he give me 3 days assurance that my boyfriend will come back after the spell i was so overwal to hear that so i just keep calm and follow up his order coz i really love my boyfriend and want him back. on the third day after the spell as he promise me, my ex call me also show up in my office begging me to forgive him and accept him back with out no delay, i lift him up with a kiss and was so very happy to have him back all my happiness was from Dr happy he is indeed a true man a father and a god sent. plz contact Dr happy on his email id direct at happylovespell2@gmail.com or call his mobile number on +2348133873774

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  18. Hello,
    I Read the article of a very great spell caster and it seems very helpful to me. I haven’t had the chance to have a proper relationship with my ex because we work together. This will be the final week or work and then I wont be around him constantly. Unfortunately, I broke one of the rules in the article and have been sleeping with him. Something I’m not proud of, especially since he has a girlfriend. Not to mention that she’s a girl he dated off and on for 3 years before he dated me.
    When I asked him why he kept sleeping with me even though he was in a relationship, his response was because I wanted it, and he wants me to be happy. But obviously what would make me happy would be to have him all to myself. That was when i read about Dr alexzander on how he help people in saving their relationship and i was really desperate for his help. There were things in our relationship that were tough. We traveled for 4 months right in the beginning, and it was hard due to different expectations. When we returned our living situation was unstable which caused a lot of stress on my end. And when I ask why he didn’t give me a chance to make things better he said he gave me tons of chances. Oh, and he compared our relationship with his past. He says that things were great, and then they went bad really fast, and that why his back with is Ex. Because it at least took them years for things to get that bad. So i was very sad and disappointing and decided to contact this spell caster for help with tears running out of my eyes and Dr alexzander promised to make things right in my relationship and also assured me that my boyfriend is going to come back to me within 78hrs. At first i was shock and didn't believe him because i thought it was impossible to do. But i gave it a try and trusted him. Dr alexzander asked for my details and his, then guarantee me of his return. Truly my ex lover started calling me and also begging me to forgive him and that's his willing to give us a second chance, then promised me never to love any other woman apart from me. it all seem like a miracle to me till now. Dr alexzander. Words can't express how i feel right now. it been 2 month now since you caste that love spell for me and nothing have gone bad between us. his now caring more than ever and also the loving kind of Man i have ever wanted for myself in life. I thank you Dr alexzander for saving my relationship. Indeed you are the best. I want to use this media to share my testimony for the whole world to see and know that there is still hope in your broken relationship, No matter how bad it seems don't give up hope and also contact this man who saved my own. you can reach him through his website address http://alexzanderhightemple-com.webs.com or contact him direct with his email address alexzanderhightemple@gmail.com. I thank you Dr alexzander for helping me and i will always share my testimony in every social media or place i may go to.
    (From United State Of America).
    Mrs Tracy Grilli.
    http://tracygrilli.blogspot.com.tr

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  19. How to get your Ex Boyfriend back after a breakup, I’m extremely happy that me and my ex-boyfriend are living together again.
    I' m Mary from England, My boyfriend of a 4yr just broke up with me and am 30 weeks pregnant.I have cried my self to sleep most of the nights and don’t seem to concentrate during lectures sometimes I stay awake almost all night thinking about him and start to cry all over again.Because of this I end up not having energy for my next day’s classes ,my attendance has dropped and am always in uni and on time. Generally he is a very nice guy ,he ended it because he said we were arguing a lot and not getting along.He is right we’ve been arguing during the pregnancy a lot .After the break up I kept ringing him and telling him I will change.I am in love with this guy and he is the best guy I have ever been with.I’m still hurt and in disbelief when he said he didn’t have any romantic feelings towards me anymore that hurt me faster than a lethal syringe.He texts me now and then mainly to check up on how am doing with the pregnancy,he is supportive with it but it’s not fair on me, him texting me as I just want to grieve the pain and not have any stress due to the pregnancy.i was really upset and i needed help, so i searched for help online and I came across a website that suggested that Dr Unity can help solve marital problems, restore broken relationships and so on. So, I felt I should give him a try. I contacted him and he told me what to do and i did it then he did a spell for me. 28 hours later, my bf came to me and apologized for the wrongs he did and promise never to do it again. Ever since then, everything has returned back to normal. I and my bf are living together happily again.. All thanks to Dr Unity. If you have any problem contact Dr.Unity now and i guarantee you that he will help you.
    Email him at: Unityspelltemple@gmail.com ,
    you can also call him or add him on Whats-app: +2348071622464 ,
    His website: http://unityspelltemple.yolasite.com ,
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    website: https://drunityafricanlovespells.wordpress.com.

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  20. My ex and I were together for 5 years. We lived together and were engaged. We went on a trip with friends and his family and had a nasty fight and broke up. We both moved out of our home and with our parents. We decided to go no contact for a month and 2 weeks in he started dating a girl and took her on a trip to California ( where we’ve gone the last 2 years on my bday) on my birthday weekend! After battling it out thru emails and a few meetings we finally came to see each other all of last week, i love him so much and i was so desperate to have him back coz i new that girl was not the right person for him so i have to save my relationship and reunite with me ex again so i try all i could to bring him back but all to avail i have be in contact with so many spell caster who only too my money and still nothing good work out of it, i ws so confuse and devastated one day trying to search on facebook, i come across a wonderful testimony of a lady on how a spell caster who she contacted also for love spell help her and bring her husband back to her with-in less day 2 days after the spell i was so fill with joy coz this lady meant my day and i regain my hope back so i directly and desperately email http://happyspelltemple.webs.com/ coz i love my ex so much and i want him back all to my self so with-in 5 min,Dr happy email me back with hope and told me that i have found solution in him that i should worried no more so i did all he ask of me and he gave me assured and guarantee that my ex will come back so i believed and was so gifted all to my surprise after the spell my ex call, come to my working beg and apology for his mistake,and he said sorry for the nasty break up that he was inconsiderate of my feelings nt in tend to hurt me. i can testify with the power love spell of Dr happy me and my ex are happily married now thank you Dr i will for ever be grateful to you and keep sharing your testimony if you need help or love spell fine it difficult to get back with your ex, email happylovespell2@gmail.com or call his mobile number on +2348133873774

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