DRUM AND JONES—AND US: Thinking hard about fast food!

THURSDAY, DECEMBER 15, 2016

Part 4—Drum lists the ways we sneer:
On December 9, Matt Yglesias was thinking hard about fast food.

Nothing he said was actually "wrong." But it led to a mindless debate.

More precisely, Yglesias was thinking hard about the politics of fast food. More specifically, he was talking about the politics of fast food in relation to those rude blokes, the white working class.

You see, Donald J. Trump had nominated a fast food baron to head the Department of Labor. To some sensibilities, this was the latest in a succession of nominations which have seemed a bit like a serial from The Onion.

The nomination got Yglesias thinking about the way we liberals disapprove of fast food—more precisely, about the signals we liberals send when we display this cultural prejudice.

Nothing he said was necessarily "wrong." He closed his piece like this:
YGLESIAS (12/9/16): Working-class people who enjoy both fast-food burgers and beer are well aware that Trump likes Big Macs too, while Democrats think it’s very important to make sure SNAP benefits are redeemable at farmers markets so rich and poor alike can enjoy the benefits of eating local, seasonal produce. Trump doesn’t drink beer, but he doesn’t advertise that fact.

This is identity politics just as much as campaigning with the Mothers of the Movement is. Neither Trump nor Puzder is, obviously, a real working-class person. But there’s an old joke about two barefoot guys in the woods who come across a bear.

One starts lacing up his sneakers, and the other asks why, pointing out that he’s never going to outrun the bear.

“I don’t need to outrun the bear,” he explains. “I just need to outrun you.”

A Thickburger or two doesn’t make Trump a member of the white working class. But it’s good enough to outrun the vast majority of Democratic Party elected officials from either of the main factions.
None of this was necessarily "wrong." But it led to a silly debate.

First in was Professor Krugman. He linked to Yglesias' "interesting post," then said, once again, that he thinks Those People in the white working-class are just imagining things when they say that We ridicule Them.

Krugman had made that specific assessment in this column just two weeks before. On this day, responding to Yglesias, he said this in a Times blog post:
KRUGMAN (12/9/16): Do the liberals sneer at the Joe Sixpacks? Actually, I’ve never heard it—the people I hang out with do understand that living the way they do takes a lot more money and time than hard-pressed Americans have, and aren’t especially judgmental about lifestyles. But it’s easy to see how the sense that liberals look down on regular folks might arise, and be fanned by right-wing media.
Long ago and far away, Times film critic Pauline Kael became famous for saying that she knew only one person who'd voted for President Nixon. (Nixon had won 49 states, gaining 61 percent of the vote.)

Now, in response to Yglesias' post, Krugman said he's never heard any liberals sneering at "the Joe Sixpacks." He did say it was easy to see how this misimpression might arise—and after that, the misimpression would be fanned by right-wing media! It would be all Their fault!

Kevin Drum said this was totally nuts. In saying this was totally nuts, Drum was totally right.

Having said that, we must also say this—we think Drum may have been pulling some punches this day. At best, we're forced to compare his analysis to a value-sized fries, as opposed to a full Happy Meal:
DRUM (12/9/16): I'm not here to get into a fight with Krugman, but come on. Sure, the right-wing media fans the flames of this stuff, but is there really any question that liberal city folks tend to sneer at rural working-class folks? I'm not even talking about stuff like abortion and guns and gay marriage, where we disagree over major points of policy. I'm talking about lifestyle. Krugman talks about fast food, and that's a decent example. Working-class folks like fast food, which explains why Donald Trump liked to show pictures of himself eating McDonald's or KFC. It's a sign that he's one of them. Ditto for Trump's famous trucker hat. (Did you even know that it's a trucker hat, not a baseball cap? He did.)

If I felt like this was something that actually needs evidence, I could produce a million examples in a very short time. But everyone gets this, don't they? We sneer at their starchy food. We sneer at their holy-roller megachurches. (But not at black churches; never that.) We sneer at their favorite TV shows. We sneer at their reading habits. We sneer at their guns. We sneer at their double-wides. We sneer at the tchotchkes that litter their houses. We sneer at their supermarket tabloids. We sneer at their music. We sneer at their leisure activities. We sneer at their blunt patriotism. We sneer at—

Again: come on. Maybe you personally don't do it—though judging from the comments here, a lot of you do—but you hardly need to be an anthropologist to recognize that this kind of sneering shows up on TV, in newspapers, on Twitter, in books, on Facebook, and in private conversations all the time. It's hard to believe that anyone is really blind to this.
Drum rolled his eyes at what Krugman had said. He listed millions of ways we liberals sneer at Those People. "It's hard to believe that anyone is really blind to this," he said.

Incomparably, we read many of the 539 comments which readers appended to Drum's post. We'd have to say Krugman wasn't alone. In our view, the substantial bulk of those people seemed to be "blind to this" too,

And uh-oh! Perusing the long list of Drum's examples, we'd almost say that he might be a tiny bit blind to this too. He'd ordered the McDonald's hotcakes, but he'd passed on the sausage!

Sneermeisters, let's be fair! Drum was right in every example he offered. And yes, we sneer at Them about fast food. Just consider what Sarah Kliff did.

In service to Vox, Kliff recently ventured to wildest southeastern Kentucky to talk to some of Those Voters. Why had these idiots voted for Candidate Trump? More specifically, why had people receiving insurance through Obamacare voted for a candidate who had vowed to repeal the program?

Kliff's report is lengthy; it's also very much worth reading. That said, before Kliff began exploring those questions, she sketched the cultural landscape:
KLIFF (12/13/16): Corbin is a small town in southeastern Kentucky, a place where cross-country truckers driving up and down I-75 will stop for the night. Its biggest tourist attraction is the first Kentucky Fried Chicken restaurant, which boasts an impressive collection of Harland Sanders memorabilia.
Beneath that bit of travelogue, Kliff included two color photos.

One was a photo of Sanders himself—the colonel, not the senator. The other photo was a close-up of some Christmas decorations. "By early December, downtown Corbin was heavily decorated for Christmas," Kliff's caption analytically said.

In the photo proffered by Kliff, the decorations look a bit kitschy. That said, the level of decoration doesn't look very heavy. Cities and towns all over the country prepare for Christmas this way.

Was Kliff perhaps sneering at Corbin a bit on a fast-food basis? We stopped to wonder why this passage had been included in her valuable piece at all. The population of ridiculous little Corbin stood a bit above 7200 in 2012. Do we normally describe such towns in terms of their tourist attractions?

We ourselves grew up in two towns—Winchester, Mass. (population roughly 18,000 at the time) and San Mateo, California (roughly 65,000). Today, each community lands on the affluent, chic-and-cool side of the cultural scale. But does either town boast a "tourist attraction?" When did that become the way we introduce such places to readers?

A sensitive soul could have seen a quick sneer in Kliff's excursion into Kentucky Fried Chicken and kitschy Christmas fare. That same soul might have taken giant offense at what happened after Kevin Drum commented on Kliff's report.

Drum posted excerpts in which three Obamacare enrollees discussed their reasons for supporting Trump. "We can complain about this all we want, but that's the reality out there," he wrote, or perhaps almost sniffed.

A person could have heard a bit of a sniff in that comment. Drum had also included an aside about one of these voters, Ruby Atkins, which seemed to suggest that she'd made a very dumb comment to Kliff. (Based on Kliff's report, we can find no reason to think that.)

Drum's readers ran with this tone. In his post, Drum cited "several smallish problems" with Obamacare. Mainly, he discussed the way the Obama Administration didn't "bust the budget" to fund the program and didn't "oversell" it.

To our ear, Kliff's report seems to suggest that those "smallish problems" were actually very large problems for Corbin enrollees. More specifically, they said their deductibles were so high that, while they technically had health insurance, they simply weren't able to use it.

To our ear, Drum blew past the gist of Kliff's essay; his readers took things from there. As we noted yesterday, they began staging the standard discussions of what "idiots" Those Corbin Folk were.

What other word could they possibly use? Inquiring minds couldn't imagine!

Those readers didn't give a flying fark about the problems confronting Those People. Meanwhile, at the very top of our liberal food chain, the most important journalist of the past fifteen years had just said, for the second time, that Those People are just imagining things when they say that we liberals sneer.

Back to Drum's rebuttal to Krugman:

Drum listed roughly a thousand ways we liberals sneer at Those People. That said, the most obvious ways we liberals sneer were missing from his list.

Tomorrow, we'll consider those omissions from this Christmas list. We'll also return to the resentment of Scott Seitz—the resentment Van Jones didn't have time to explore in his kitschy "town hall" CNN special.

We'll also mention one key part of what Professor Lilla said. For today, we'll issue a spoiler:

"Say their name," Lilla said.

Tomorrow: The sneering that didn't bark

65 comments:

  1. I sneer at them. Since Reagan they have voted against their interests, then blame others for their economic plight.

    They deserve sneers.

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    1. Their interests include curbing the killing of a million healthy humans under one year of age per year, by physically healthy mothers. They aren't willing to sell out that interest, something someone with no ethical qualms about that atrocity could never understand. Democrats have even decided recently that they should be forced to pay for it, which is also against their interests.

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    2. That becomes the problem, how do we convince them that our candidates are the ones who will take care of THEIR interests, when we keep blaring the messages "we hate you", "we have contempt for you", and "we don't care about your problems".

      What is our message to the white working class? If you read a lot of articles, one of the main messages is to tell them how privileged they are for being white, and for being male, and for being straight.

      Does THAT message sound like we care about their interests or their problems?

      The article that Bob linked to said something like "if you list groups you care about, you better list them all." Because people notice when they are left out.

      One of my former high school teachers is a liberal and posted one of those facebook post election memes, listing all of the people we are worried about because Trump won.

      You know who was left off the list? ME. A straight white guy who might lose the Obamacare that is saving him $3,000 a year and thus not be able to retire from the job he hates next year.

      I mentioned that, and the reply was something like "oh feck off".

      Good old liberals, don't even care about the people they know who are of the wrong race, gender or sexual orientation.

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    3. Dr. T, you know what I think is the most "sneering" comment you can make about any person, regardless of the way they vote?

      It would be to say that they are such mindless nincompoops that they have no control over the way they vote, that they were somehow "forced" into by the attitudes of others because they lack a mind of their own.

      Sorry, but we're all going to suffer under President Trump. And the responsibility for that should fall squarely on those who voted for him, knowing full well he was a snake before we voted him in.

      Blaming "good old liberals" for Trump's election is about the worst excuse I can think of for voting for the most unprepared, tempermentally unfit, and narcissistic person to run for U.S. president, at least in my memory.

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    4. Their interests include curbing the killing of a million healthy humans under one year of age per year, by physically healthy mothers. They aren't willing to sell out that interest, something someone with no ethical qualms about that atrocity could never understand. Democrats have even decided recently that they should be forced to pay for it, which is also against their interests.

      Total BS

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    5. Dr T, actually it is the working class that are doing the sneering, much of it rising from guilt over their immoral lifestyles. It is not the country music and McDonalds, it is the way these people are so mean and violent and selfish. The red states are the ones with the most divorces, most domestic violence, most child abuse, most deviant behavior, and they are also the ones that take the most government money.

      You ask "What is our message to the white working class?" as if liberals do not have one. Are you nuts? Liberals support health care for all, education for all, pre school for all, job training, tax cuts for the poor and middle class, tax increase on the wealthy, clean air, clean water, social security, medicare, on and on.

      Trump and the Republicans support less government and help for the rich. These Trump voters like his hat and seeing him eat fast food. Not only is that the worst basis to vote for a president, it is also a farce, a complete con.

      Hillary did not lose because of the white working class, she lost because of voter suppression, much of it from media coverage of the fake email scandal. Citizens that support Democratics and liberal policies far outnumber Republicans, but they didn't go out and vote.

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    6. Hillary would have won Kentucky if she had been seen pounding down some KFC. She lost because her ads failed to show her holding a drumstick.

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    7. Anonymous December 15, 2016 at 2:11 PM says:
      Their interests include curbing the killing of a million healthy humans under one year of age per year.

      Polls show that only 20% of Americans believe that abortion should be banned in all cases. how do you win a national election with 20%?

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    8. That's higher than expected. Most people can think of exceptional cases. Democrats and Hillary now want to get rid of the Hyde Amendment which they supported until this year and the number who still support it and other pro-life issues is higher than 20% even if they see some exceptions.

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  3. This is a real fun discussion. Utterly pointless, of course - I mean, even if human nature could be suppressed, and sneering cessation accomplished, Fox News would continue to convince its viewers that they're being ridiculed and worse. But that's a hard problem to solve. Repeatedly chiding liberals to no good end is so much more fun.

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    1. I'd tend to agree, eb. Evidently, we liberals have been waging a war on Christmas for years. How to counter that? Shall we embrace Christmas with all our hearts and souls? Cover ourselves with glitter and tinsel and Christmas tree jewelry? Cause, sure enough, that's gonna persuade our fellow citizens that we adore Santy Claus, we really, really do! Cause Christmas IS under threat, so it just stands to reason we have to sacrifice our sanity for Santa.
      Maybe if we act real nice and awshucksy those white folks will start to like us again. I mean really, really like us. And it's worked out so well in the past. Iran-Contra? Gee, too bad. Whitewater? Oopsy daisy. Supreme Court election? Don't want harm democracy. Weapons of mass destruction? They snookered us fer sure. Swift boats? Tis to laugh. Birthers? Wowsers. Death Panels? Sniff. Benghazi? Shame on you. Russian hacking? Don't wanna play politics....
      Endless Republican baseless attacks, more or less successful, lapped up by a gullible public; and the Dem response? Hold up our hands and back away quietly.

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  4. Sneering would be perfectly acceptable if those sneering were not the lowest IQ members of society, including ridiculous movie actors, TV pundits, editorial board clowns, and retarded academics who tell students university is their safe space, not a place for intellectual inquiry.

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  5. Two sneering comments from those high on the food chain: Obama's early crack about clinging to their "Bibles and guns" and HRC's "Basket of Deplorables"

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    1. Don't fault her. She could have just stayed home and baked cookies.

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    2. It is amazing to me, Bartman, how the rest of HRC's "deporables" comments got so efficiently thrown down the memory hole. You know, the part about half of Trump's supporters have been left behind in the global economy, and their needs and concerns should not only be listened to but addressed.

      But that's not the way the right-wing echo chamber spun it. It their world, she called ALL Trump supporters "deporables". And rube-ish yahoos quickly swallowed what they were serving, like they always do.

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    3. Bartman you are the one sneering. Those statements were actually dead on accurate about bad traits of some people. When people behave badly it is important to point that out so that we can figure out how to deal with the negative impact of that bad behavior.

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    4. It's important to only say it to donors, and then put on a less hateful face publicly, like Lincoln.

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  6. "deductibles were so high that, while they technically had health insurance, they simply weren't able to use it"

    This is essentially THE big beef with Obamacare: we've got to pay for it, but we can't use it. So it's a net expense, with or without the subsidy. For no gain.

    Unless we get real sick.

    Which we're not gonna do.

    The people raising this beef really Don't Want Insurance.

    Until they get sick.

    How do you compensate for this? I'm not sure you do. There are always some losers.

    People who are healthy (for now) and of limited means are going to feel screwed.

    What to do???

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    1. You have premium assistance all the way up through 400% of the poverty line. Above that line you can afford the different plans available. You can spend less on health insurance and get basically catastrophic coverage, or you can spend more for better coverage. Before ACA the number one reason for bankruptcy was health care.

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    2. Anon 5:58. What to do? Vote for the people that KEPT you down, because they didn't think you were worth expressing their contempt.

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  8. I am from a working class background and do not know any liberals who look down on us. I do, however know many in the working class who are bigots.

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    1. Well said, anon! I spent many years as a carpenter and to this day have MANUAL LABORERS as friends. I hang out with plumbers, and construction workers and farmers, and have all my life.
      For the first time, however, conservative friends have told me they no longer want to be pals - these are specifically the farmers amongst them - because I'm one of the "educated elite."
      So, sorry to contradict, Bob, but I wasn't sneering or looking down on folks I considered close friends. Not ever. They were the ones who walked away, after deciding to vote for Trump.

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  9. I've been living in Thailand for the last 34 years. Thai food is pretty popular in the U.S., but I don't really have much choice -- sure, I can cook many Western dishes (ovens are pretty rare here, so baked goods aren't so easy), but the easy way out is to just eat Thai food every mean. It occurs to me that if you have to eat something very often, you'd better learn to love it. The thing about "fast food" is, you don't have to spend a lot of time making it. If you're working two jobs, or if you're just working full time and trying to take care of a couple of kids, anything that saves time is desirable. Working people, of whatever color, have good reason to eat fast food as often as they can afford it.

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    1. Darn, this thing needs an edit function. "every meal", not "every mean."

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  10. I think it is to the point of overkill that some people look down on others. And, what to do with people that are blaming black lives matters, anthony weiner's laptop, hilary's sex ring and IMMIGRANTS taking coal mining jobs from them... I just don't bother my beautiful mind over how they feel anymore because YOU JUST CAN'T WIN with people who are certain in their certitude about WHAT THEY KNOW. And as for the one token comment that gets blown up as all Liberals looking down on them {when their working white class serial killers are lone wolfs, one off, just a bad apple} fuck them. That life expectancy number is DECREASING and not because I think they should have passed on Trump... they are literally voting themselves fewer years to live. Fuck THEM! I just don't worry about the hypocrites anymore.

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    1. You should take a trip and visit with them where they live. They will change them.

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  12. I'm a liberal who voted for Trump. Can anyone on here guess correctly the reasons I did so?

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    1. Anything we say will be construed as a sneer.

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    2. Because you're a liberal and you saw what has taken over the Democratic side, namely efforts to silence freethinking and free speech. You also saw that the Democrats do nothing to help the poor and they only use the BLACK poor to advance an agenda built around hating whites and males. You are a liberal, not its opposite, a progressive.

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    3. You're a cop and you are now at risk of being murdered in an ambush because Obama, Hillary, BLM, and the rest of the progressive left decided to elevate the right of violent thugs to attack white police officers over the officers' right to defend himself and the public, provided the thug is black.

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    4. You have an IQ over 70.

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  16. "We're going to put a lot of coal miners out of work."
    Google it. Then look at page after page of RW blogs that repeat that phrase out of context. Try to find where Hillary Clinton goes on to talk about helping out of work coal miners. Try not to sneer.

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  17. Thank you for your miracle Doctor Osemu Okpamen

    This article is dedicated to the Doctor Osemu Okpamen. I have been married with my wife for 5 years and recently she broke up with me and it hurt me deeply when she told me to leave her alone and that she does not love me anymore when i was always faithful and honest to her. I tried all the ways to get her back buying her what she wants like i always did and she still left me heart broken and she even has a new boyfriend which destroyed me even more until a friend of mine from high school directed me to this genuine spell Doctor called Osemu Okpamen. This man changed my life completely. I followed everything he told me to do and my wife came back begging for me back. I was stunned everything happened exactly like he told me. I had faith in everything he told me and everything was true. Also he was there every moment until i got my happiness back and he also provides spells that cures impotence, bareness, diseases such as HIV/AID E.T.C You can contact him via email at { Doctorokpamenspelltemple@yahoo.com } or visit his website http://www.doctorokpamenspells.com. He will help you in anything you need and quick to answer once you contact him.

    You can also call me for more info +1 (914)-517-3229.

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  18. My husband and I separated few months ago I was totally frustrated and did not know how to bring him back home because i have tried all my possible best all to no avail, as i was browsing on the internet i came across a post on YouTube about Dr Goodluck who help people with their relationship and marriage problem by the powers of love spells, at first I doubted if such thing ever exists but decided to give it a try, when I contacted him i told him everything and he told me that everything will be fine that my husband is going to come back to me, And he told me all i will need to provide him with and i did and he told me that he is going to cast a returning spell so that my husband will come back, he helped me cast a spell and guarantee me that my husband will come back to me and within 17hours, to my greatest surprise, my husband came back to me and started apologizing, now he has stopped going out with women and he is with me for good and for real. if you have any problem contact Dr Goodluck he is real and always ready to solve your problem, email him on goodluck05spellcaster@gmail.com and you can also whatapp him or call with his mobile +2349059610309 and i promise you that he is going to help you with any problem OKay...

    +2349059610309
    goodluck05spellcaster@gmail.com
    http://goodluck05spellcaster.yolasite.com

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  19. Hey!I was in a relationship for quite along time almost 7 years, he cheated with a girl almost 11 years younger than him I took him back because I love him so much. He promised me the world never to leave me never to let me go to make me happy and to make it up to me everyday. 7 weeks later he has broke up with me after a few arguments .. he told me he can’t do it that I’ve ruined everything I deserve it all I’ve treated him bad he gave up his job overseas but he only gave it a week afrer he quit. he has left me in bits and is 1 week later out with other girls please help I don’t know what to do he is telling me he will never ever get back its over and he will never give it a go I have begged and I don’t know why I don’t no why he has done this to me I feel so lifeless… one day in my office going through the internet i saw a post of a lady giving testimony on how she got her husband back,i also come across a blog site on how to reunite and get your ex back with a love spell it was really amazing to see this so i copy his email id on http://happyspelltemple.webs.com/ i explain my situation to him and gave him all the details he requested from me, he give me 3 days assurance that my boyfriend will come back after the spell i was so overwal to hear that so i just keep calm and follow up his order coz i really love my boyfriend and want him back. on the third day after the spell as he promise me, my ex call me also show up in my office begging me to forgive him and accept him back with out no delay, i lift him up with a kiss and was so very happy to have him back all my happiness was from Dr happy he is indeed a true man a father and a god sent. plz contact Dr happy on his email id direct at happylovespell2@gmail.com or call his mobile number on +2348133873774 Elisabeth sanchez From England

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  20. How to get your Ex Boyfriend back after a breakup, I’m extremely happy that me and my ex-boyfriend are living together again.
    I' m Mary from England, My boyfriend of a 4yr just broke up with me and am 30 weeks pregnant.I have cried my self to sleep most of the nights and don’t seem to concentrate during lectures sometimes I stay awake almost all night thinking about him and start to cry all over again.Because of this I end up not having energy for my next day’s classes ,my attendance has dropped and am always in uni and on time. Generally he is a very nice guy ,he ended it because he said we were arguing a lot and not getting along.He is right we’ve been arguing during the pregnancy a lot .After the break up I kept ringing him and telling him I will change.I am in love with this guy and he is the best guy I have ever been with.I’m still hurt and in disbelief when he said he didn’t have any romantic feelings towards me anymore that hurt me faster than a lethal syringe.He texts me now and then mainly to check up on how am doing with the pregnancy,he is supportive with it but it’s not fair on me, him texting me as I just want to grieve the pain and not have any stress due to the pregnancy.i was really upset and i needed help, so i searched for help online and I came across a website that suggested that Dr Unity can help solve marital problems, restore broken relationships and so on. So, I felt I should give him a try. I contacted him and he told me what to do and i did it then he did a spell for me. 28 hours later, my bf came to me and apologized for the wrongs he did and promise never to do it again. Ever since then, everything has returned back to normal. I and my bf are living together happily again.. All thanks to Dr Unity. If you have any problem contact Dr.Unity now and i guarantee you that he will help you. Email him at: Unityspelltemple@gmail.com ,you can also call him or add him on Whats-app: +2348071622464 ,His website: http://unityspelltemple.yolasite.com .

    Love Spells by Dr Unity - Spells that work fast‎ https://drunityafricanlovespells.wordpress.com/

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  21. Am Success Puga from USA. I can’t believe this. A great testimony that i must share to all HERPES patient in the world i never believed that their could be any complete cure for HERPES or any cure for HERPES,i saw people’s testimony on blog sites of how DR Ekpiku prepare herbal cure and brought them back to life again. i had to try it too and you can,t believe that in just few weeks i started using it all my pains stop gradually and i had to leave without the HERPES DRUGS the doctor gave to me. Right now i can tell you that few months now i have not had any pain,delay in treatment leads to death. Here is his email:ekpikuspellhomeofgrace@hotmail.com or ekpikuspellhomeofgrace@gmail.com his WHATSAPP number is +2348073673757
    DOCTOR Ekpiku CAN AS WELL CURE THE FOLLOWING DISEASE:-

    1. HIV/AIDS
    2. HERPES
    3. CANCER
    4. ALS
    5. Hepatitis B
    6. Parkinson

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  22. Thank you for your miracle Doctor Osemu Okpamen

    This article is dedicated to the Doctor Osemu Okpamen. I have been married with my wife for 5 years and recently she broke up with me and it hurt me deeply when she told me to leave her alone and that she does not love me anymore when i was always faithful and honest to her. I tried all the ways to get her back buying her what she wants like i always did and she still left me heart broken and she even has a new boyfriend which destroyed me even more until a friend of mine from high school directed me to this genuine spell Doctor called Osemu Okpamen. This man changed my life completely. I followed everything he told me to do and my wife came back begging for me back. I was stunned everything happened exactly like he told me. I had faith in everything he told me and everything was true. Also he was there every moment until i got my happiness back and he also provides spells that cures impotence, bareness, diseases such as HIV/AID E.T.C You can contact him via email at { Doctorokpamenspelltemple@yahoo.com } or visit his website http://www.doctorokpamenspells.com. He will help you in anything you need and quick to answer once you contact him.

    You can also call me for more info +1 (914)-517-3229.

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  23. My Name is james cluch from UNITED KINGDOM I am indeed very happy for my life; I never thought that I will live on earth before the year runs out. I have been suffering from a disease (Herpes) for the past 2 years now; I had spent a lot of money going from one places to another, from churches to churches, hospitals i have been my every day residence. Constant checks up have been my hobby but until this faithful day, I was searching through the internet, I saw a testimony on how someone in curing her Herpes disease, quickly I copied his email which is drudurohaberahome@gmail.com I spoke to him, he asked me to do some certain things which I did, he told me that he is going to prepare the medicine and send it to me in my Country which he did, then he asked me to be taking the medicine morning and evening for 7 days on the 8th day i will go for check-up and i will be cured , I was free from the disease, i told him that i will continun to post the testimony through the whole world, faithfully am doing it now, please brothers and sisters, he is great, I owe him my life, if you are having a similar problem just email him on drudurohaberahome@gmail.com or call +2348138634433
    THESE ARE THE THINGS DR UDURO CURE
    HERPES
    LASSA FEVER
    GONORRHEA
    HIV/AIDS
    LOW SPERM COUNT
    MENOPAUSE DISEASE
    EPILEPSY
    ASEPSIS
    CANCER
    ANXIETY DEPRESSION
    PREGNANCY PROBLEM
    SHORT SIGHTEDNESS PROBLEM
    Male menopause
    Menopause – male
    Menopause – peri
    Menstruation pr
    He can as well cast and remove spell
    drudurohaberahome@gmail.com or call or whasapp him +2348138634433

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  24. Thank you Dr. Okuns herbal your medicine is a good remedy for HERPES CUER, and Removing Warts you can contact him via E-mail: herbal.home247@yahoo.com for any types of diseases solutions or WhatsApp him on: +2348078467513

    My name is Mary Hanson, am from United State. I want the general public
    to know how this great man called Dr. Okuns cure me and my sister from GENITAL HERPES with the herbal medicine gotten from Dr. Okuns, he cures other diseases too like STD, SYPHILIS, BRAIN TUMOR CANCER CURE, chapped lips. My own was worst I have suffered for Human papilloma virus HPV) for 2years he cure me too, herbal is a great medication. he have a medicine that is 100% percent assured to cure any type of disease and you don't need to spend so much money anymore . I want you to contact Dr. Okuns on: herbal.home247@yahoo.com My family is now a brand new one, so stop your worries and go get your herbal medicine now to get your family free from deadly disease. Once again thanks to Dr. Okuns you can contact him now via phone number: +2348078467513 or email him on: herbal.home247@yahoo.com

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  25. Thank you Dr. Okuns herbal your medicine is a good remedy for HERPES CUER, and Removing Warts you can contact him via E-mail: herbal.home247@yahoo.com for any types of diseases solutions or WhatsApp him on: +2348078467513

    My name is Mary Hanson, am from United State. I want the general public
    to know how this great man called Dr. Okuns cure me and my sister from GENITAL HERPES with the herbal medicine gotten from Dr. Okuns, he cures other diseases too like STD, SYPHILIS, BRAIN TUMOR CANCER CURE, chapped lips. My own was worst I have suffered for Human papilloma virus HPV) for 2years he cure me too, herbal is a great medication. he have a medicine that is 100% percent assured to cure any type of disease and you don't need to spend so much money anymore . I want you to contact Dr. Okuns on: herbal.home247@yahoo.com My family is now a brand new one, so stop your worries and go get your herbal medicine now to get your family free from deadly disease. Once again thanks to Dr. Okuns you can contact him now via phone number: +2348078467513 or email him on: herbal.home247@yahoo.com

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  26. Thank you Dr. Okuns herbal your medicine is a good remedy for HERPES CUER, and Removing Warts you can contact him via E-mail: herbal.home247@yahoo.com for any types of diseases solutions or WhatsApp him on: +2348078467513

    My name is Mary Hanson, am from United State. I want the general public
    to know how this great man called Dr. Okuns cure me and my sister from GENITAL HERPES with the herbal medicine gotten from Dr. Okuns, he cures other diseases too like STD, SYPHILIS, BRAIN TUMOR CANCER CURE, chapped lips. My own was worst I have suffered for Human papilloma virus HPV) for 2years he cure me too, herbal is a great medication. he have a medicine that is 100% percent assured to cure any type of disease and you don't need to spend so much money anymore . I want you to contact Dr. Okuns on: herbal.home247@yahoo.com My family is now a brand new one, so stop your worries and go get your herbal medicine now to get your family free from deadly disease. Once again thanks to Dr. Okuns you can contact him now via phone number: +2348078467513 or email him on: herbal.home247@yahoo.com

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  27. Thank you Dr. Okuns herbal your medicine is a good remedy for HERPES CUER, and Removing Warts you can contact him via E-mail: herbal.home247@yahoo.com for any types of diseases solutions or WhatsApp him on: +2348078467513

    My name is Mary Hanson, am from United State. I want the general public
    to know how this great man called Dr. Okuns cure me and my sister from GENITAL HERPES with the herbal medicine gotten from Dr. Okuns, he cures other diseases too like STD, SYPHILIS, BRAIN TUMOR CANCER CURE, chapped lips. My own was worst I have suffered for Human papilloma virus HPV) for 2years he cure me too, herbal is a great medication. he have a medicine that is 100% percent assured to cure any type of disease and you don't need to spend so much money anymore . I want you to contact Dr. Okuns on: herbal.home247@yahoo.com My family is now a brand new one, so stop your worries and go get your herbal medicine now to get your family free from deadly disease. Once again thanks to Dr. Okuns you can contact him now via phone number: +2348078467513 or email him on: herbal.home247@yahoo.com

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  28. Thank you Dr. Okuns herbal your medicine is a good remedy for HERPES CUER, and Removing Warts you can contact him via E-mail: herbal.home247@yahoo.com for any types of diseases solutions or WhatsApp him on: +2348078467513

    My name is Mary Hanson, am from United State. I want the general public
    to know how this great man called Dr. Okuns cure me and my sister from GENITAL HERPES with the herbal medicine gotten from Dr. Okuns, he cures other diseases too like STD, SYPHILIS, BRAIN TUMOR CANCER CURE, chapped lips. My own was worst I have suffered for Human papilloma virus HPV) for 2years he cure me too, herbal is a great medication. he have a medicine that is 100% percent assured to cure any type of disease and you don't need to spend so much money anymore . I want you to contact Dr. Okuns on: herbal.home247@yahoo.com My family is now a brand new one, so stop your worries and go get your herbal medicine now to get your family free from deadly disease. Once again thanks to Dr. Okuns you can contact him now via phone number: +2348078467513 or email him on: herbal.home247@yahoo.com

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  29. Thank you Dr. Okuns herbal your medicine is a good remedy for HERPES CUER, and Removing Warts you can contact him via E-mail: herbal.home247@yahoo.com for any types of diseases solutions or WhatsApp him on: +2348078467513

    My name is Mary Hanson, am from United State. I want the general public
    to know how this great man called Dr. Okuns cure me and my sister from GENITAL HERPES with the herbal medicine gotten from Dr. Okuns, he cures other diseases too like STD, SYPHILIS, BRAIN TUMOR CANCER CURE, chapped lips. My own was worst I have suffered for Human papilloma virus HPV) for 2years he cure me too, herbal is a great medication. he have a medicine that is 100% percent assured to cure any type of disease and you don't need to spend so much money anymore . I want you to contact Dr. Okuns on: herbal.home247@yahoo.com My family is now a brand new one, so stop your worries and go get your herbal medicine now to get your family free from deadly disease. Once again thanks to Dr. Okuns you can contact him now via phone number: +2348078467513 or email him on: herbal.home247@yahoo.com

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  30. Hey!I was in a relationship for quite along time almost 7 years, he cheated with a girl almost 11 years younger than him I took him back because I love him so much. He promised me the world never to leave me never to let me go to make me happy and to make it up to me everyday. 7 weeks later he has broke up with me after a few arguments .. he told me he can’t do it that I’ve ruined everything I deserve it all I’ve treated him bad he gave up his job overseas but he only gave it a week afrer he quit. he has left me in bits and is 1 week later out with other girls please help I don’t know what to do he is telling me he will never ever get back its over and he will never give it a go I have begged and I don’t know why I don’t no why he has done this to me I feel so lifeless… one day in my office going through the internet i saw a post of a lady giving testimony on how she got her husband back,i also come across a blog site on how to reunite and get your ex back with a love spell it was really amazing to see this so i copy his email id on http://happyspelltemple.webs.com/ i explain my situation to him and gave him all the details he requested from me, he give me 3 days assurance that my boyfriend will come back after the spell i was so overwal to hear that so i just keep calm and follow up his order coz i really love my boyfriend and want him back. on the third day after the spell as he promise me, my ex call me also show up in my office begging me to forgive him and accept him back with out no delay, i lift him up with a kiss and was so very happy to have him back all my happiness was from Dr happy he is indeed a true man a father and a god sent. plz contact Dr happy on his email id direct at happylovespell2@gmail.com or call his mobile number on +2348133873774

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  31. Am James smith from USA... this is unbelievable i have be suffering for {Genital Herpes virus} how i get cure from my herpes virus with the help of Dr Adagba is a great herbalist man from Africa in Nigeria,people do say Nigeria are all scam i believe and just give a try to him after i have been scam by 4 different people in that country,i meet Dr Adagba email on website,though I went through different website I saw different testimonies about different spell casters and herbalist, I was like: 'Many people have this Human Papilloma virus (HPV) why are people still suffering from it?' I though of it, then I contact Dr ADAGBA via email, I didn't believe him that much,I just wanted to give him a try,he told me that he will prepare herbal cure that i will take in 2 week,so he can prepare a herbal cure on me from his temple.. after three days I started getting more stronger my blood started flowing normally i started experiencing changes all over me as the great Dr Adagba assured me that i have been cured,after some time i went to the doctor to confirmed if i have be finally healed behold it was TRUE,and kind of spell you can think of or any illness i advice you all to contact him: adagbaspiritualtemple@gmail.com if you have hepatitis B herpes cancer Hiv/AIDS any kind of and he also do love spell,urgent cure to your disease and have a good health as he always want to be.his private email: adagbaspiritualtemple@gmail.com you can call or whatsapp him for any information his Mobil number +2349057354407 you can visit his website:
    http://adagbaspiritualtem9.wixsite.com/mysite

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  32. I really happy that i and my husband are cured of (HERPES SIMPLEX VIRUS) with the herbal medicine of Dr Odioa , i have been suffering from this disease for the past 3 years without solution until i came across the email of this doctors who have cure so many people with his herbal medicine, i also choose to give him a chance to help me and my husband, he told me what to do and i kindly did it, and he gave us his herbal medicine and direct me on how to use it, i also follows his instruction for use and he ask us to go for a check up after 3 weeks and which i did, to my greatest surprise our result came out as negative, we are really happy that there is someone like this DR who is ready to help anytime any day. to all the readers and viewers that is doubting this testimony stop doubting it and contact this Dr and see if he will not actually help you. i am not a stupid woman that i will come out to the public and start saying what someone have not done for me. His contact on: odioaherbalcurehome@gmail.com or call on +2348164265461

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  33. I really happy that i and my husband are cured of (HERPES SIMPLEX VIRUS) with the herbal medicine of Dr Odioa , i have been suffering from this disease for the past 3 years without solution until i came across the email of this doctors who have cure so many people with his herbal medicine, i also choose to give him a chance to help me and my husband, he told me what to do and i kindly did it, and he gave us his herbal medicine and direct me on how to use it, i also follows his instruction for use and he ask us to go for a check up after 3 weeks and which i did, to my greatest surprise our result came out as negative, we are really happy that there is someone like this DR who is ready to help anytime any day. to all the readers and viewers that is doubting this testimony stop doubting it and contact this Dr and see if he will not actually help you. i am not a stupid woman that i will come out to the public and start saying what someone have not done for me. His contact on: odioaherbalcurehome@gmail.com or call on +2348164265461,

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  34. I never believed in spell casting, but After 6 years of dating, I still imagine how Dr Aza brought my ex lover back to me in just 24 hour. No one could have ever made me believe that there is a real spell caster that really work. am sandra by name,I want to quickly tell the world that there is a real on line spell caster that is powerful and genuine, His name is Dr Aza, He helped me recently to reunite my relationship when my ex lover who left me, When i contacted Dr Aza he cast a love spell for me and my ex lover who said he doesn't have anything to do with me again, he called me and started begging me. he is back now with so much love and caring. today i am glad to let you all know that this spell caster have the powers of bring lovers back. because i am now happy with my lover,and the most surprise,is that our love is very strong,every day is happiness and joy. and there is nothing like been with the man you love.i am so happy my love is back to me with the help of Dr.Aza if you have similar problem i will advice you to contact him ,he is there to help you and put a smile on your face. his email: azaspellcaster@gmail.com or you can whatsApp his line:+2348107155060 or see more at http://azaspellcaster.wixsite.com/spell-caster

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  35. Medical scientists have discovered a new way to battle HIV AIDS by using a man called Dr osagieherbalist@yahoo.com
    MY NAME IS sent kay.I SAW A COMMENT ON POSITIVE BLOGS AND I WILL LOVE TO TELL EVERY BODY HOW MY STATUS CHANGES TO NEGATIVE and i got cured,
    AND AM NOW A LIVING WITNESS OF IT AND I THINK ITS A SHAME ON ME IF I DON'T SHARE THIS LOVELY STORY WITH OTHER PEOPLE INFECTED WITH THIS DEADLY VIRUS.
    HIV HAS BEEN ONGOING IN MY FAMILY, I LOST BOTH PARENTS TO HIV. AND IT IS SO MUCH PAIN I'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET OVER..
    AS WE ALL KNOW MEDICALLY THERE IS NO SOLUTION TO IT..AND MEDICATION IS VERY EXPENSIVE..SO SOMEONE INTRODUCED ME TO A HERBAL PRACTITIONER IN AFRICA..
    I HAD A JOB THERE TO EXECUTE SO I TOOK TIME TO CHECK OUT ON HIM.I SHOWED HIM ALL MY TESTS AND RESULTS..
    I WAS ALREADY DISORGANIZED WITH HIV AND IT WAS ALREADY TAKING ITS TOWL ON ME..
    I HAD SPENT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS SO I DECIDED TO TRY HIM OUT ALTHOUGH I DID'NT BELIEVE IN IT,
    I WAS JUST TRYING IT OUT OF FRUSTRATION? AND AFTER 14 DAYS, HE TOLD ME TO GO FOR A MEDICAL TEST.
    AND YOU WON'T BELIEVE THAT 5 DIFFERENT DOCTORS CONFIRMED IT THAT AM NEGATIVE..IT WAS LIKE A DREAM,,I NEVER BELIEVE HIV HAS CURE..AM NOW NEGATIVE,,
    AM A LIVING WITNESS..I DON'T KNOW HOW TO THANK THIS MAN? I JUST WANT TO HELP OTHERS IN ANY WAY I CAN..
    I HAVE JOINED MANY FORUMS AND HAVE POSTED THIS TESTIMONIES AND ALOT OF PEOPLE HAS MAIL AND CALLED THIS MAN ON PHONE AND AFTER 14 DAYS THEY ALL CONFIRMED NEGATIVE..
    BBC NEWS TOOK IT LIVE AND EVERY EVERYBODY SAW IT AND ITS NOW OUT IN PAPERS AND MAGAZINES THAT THERE IS A HERBAL CURE FOR HIV AND ALL WITH THE HELP OF THIS MAN,,
    IF YOU WISH TAKE IT OR NOT..GOD KNOWS I HAVE TRIED MY BEST. ABOUT 28 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED NEGATIVE THROUGH THE HERBAL CURE OF DR Osagie
    AND THEY SEND MAILS TO THANKS ME AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED NEGATIVE,,THIS MAN IS REAL..DON'T MISS THIS CHANCE,,HIV IS A DEADLY VIRUS,,GET RID OF IT NOW..
    If there is anyone who has similar problem and still looking for a way out, his email still remains osagieherbalist@yahoo.com
    DOCTOR CAN AS WELL CURE THE FOLLOWING DISEASE:-
    1. HIV/AIDS

    2. HERPES
    3. CANCER
    4. ALS
    5. Hepatitis B
    6. Diabetes
    7.loss weight
    8.add weight
    Thanks Moderators

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  36. I want to share my testimony on how i get cure of my Hepatitis disease with the help of Doctor Raymond Greg,i have being suffering for this disease for a very long time now. I have try several means to get rid of the (Hepatitis disease) disease for the last four years and had constant pain, especially in my knees. During the first year, I had faith in God that i would be healed someday. This disease started circulate all over my body and i have been taking treatment from my doctor, few weeks ago i came on search on the internet if I could get any information concerning the prevention of this disease, on my search I saw a testimony of someone who has been healed from (Hepatitis B and Cancer) by this Man DR Raymond Greg and she also gave the email address of this man and advise we should contact him for any sickness that he would be of help, so i wrote to DR Raymond Greg telling him about my (Hepatitis disease) he told me not to worry that i was going to be cured!! hmm I never believed it,, well after all the procedures and remedy given to me by this man few weeks later I started experiencing changes all over me as the Doctor assured me that I am cured, after some time I went to my doctor to confirmed if I have be finally healed behold it was TRUE, So friends my advise is if you have such sickness or any other at all you can email DR Raymond Greg on sir I am indeed grateful for the help I will forever recommend you to my friends and to share this to every one that have any of this sickness. i will advice anyone out there who has any of theses disease to kindly email Dr Raymond Greg on (drgregsolutionhome@gmail.com) for help you can also contact us on +2348141389170

    1 cancer
    2 Herpes Virus
    3 HIV/AIDS
    4 Hepatitis disease
    5 ulcer
    6 Hepatitis disease
    7 Diabetics
    8 PREGNANCY ISSUE
    9 ULCER
    10 EPILYPSIS
    11 ASTHMA
    12 Stroke

    kindly email doctor Raymond Greg for your own cure if you have any
    disease listed above via : (drgregsolutionhome@gmail.com) you can also contact us on +2348141389170

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  37. I am Sarah Joyce from USA ,I really happy that i and my husband are cured of (HERPES SIMPLEX VIRUS) with the herbal medicine of Dr Odioa , i have been suffering from this disease for the past 3 years without solution until i came across the email of this doctors who have cure so many people with his herbal medicine, i also choose to give him a chance to help me and my husband, he told me what to do and i kindly did it, and he gave us his herbal medicine and direct me on how to use it, i also follows his instruction for use and he ask us to go for a check up after 3 weeks and which i did, to my greatest surprise our result came out as negative, we are really happy that there is someone like this DR who is ready to help anytime any day. to all the readers and viewers that is doubting this testimony stop doubting it and contact this Dr and see if he will not actually help you. i am not a stupid woman that i will come out to the public and start saying what someone have not done for me. His contact on: odioaherbalcurehome@gmail.com,

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  38. I am Sarah Joyce from USA ,I really happy that i and my husband are cured of (HERPES SIMPLEX VIRUS) with the herbal medicine of Dr Odioa , i have been suffering from this disease for the past 3 years without solution until i came across the email of this doctors who have cure so many people with his herbal medicine, i also choose to give him a chance to help me and my husband, he told me what to do and i kindly did it, and he gave us his herbal medicine and direct me on how to use it, i also follows his instruction for use and he ask us to go for a check up after 3 weeks and which i did, to my greatest surprise our result came out as negative, we are really happy that there is someone like this DR who is ready to help anytime any day. to all the readers and viewers that is doubting this testimony stop doubting it and contact this Dr and see if he will not actually help you. i am not a stupid woman that i will come out to the public and start saying what someone have not done for me. His contact on: odioaherbalcurehome@gmail.com,.

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  39. Hello, My name is Emilly, am from Ohio. I was diagnosed with HIV for close to 8 years, Dr Oboh Daniel of (drobohdaniel@gmail.com) cured me with natural herbal medicine. All i did was to order for the herbs for HIV, he sent it to me and ask me to drink it for a period of four weeks, but before the completion of the 4th week all the HIV symptoms disappeared, when i went for checkup, i became NEGATIVE. I've done close to 5 HIV test already, they all turned out to be NEGATIVE. He can also provide herbs for all kind of illness including asthma, cancer, Diabetic 1&2, Gonorrhea, Barrenness, Impotence, , High Blood Pressure,Epilepsy, Herpes, Chronic diseases of the heart, Malignant tumors,Diarrhea,Arthritis, etc. you can contact him via: drobohdaniel@gmail.com or whatsapp him on +2347035127032.......Goodluck

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  40. Hello, My name is emilly, am from Ohio. I was diagnosed with HIV for close to 8 years, Dr Oboh Daniel of (drobohdaniel@gmail.com) cured me with natural herbal medicine. All i did was to order for the herbs for HIV, he sent it to me and ask me to drink it for a period of four weeks, but before the completion of the 4th week all the HIV symptoms disappeared, when i went for checkup, i became NEGATIVE. I've done close to 5 HIV test already, they all turned out to be NEGATIVE. He can also provide herbs for all kind of illness including asthma, cancer, Diabetic 1&2, Gonorrhea, Barrenness, Impotence, , High Blood Pressure,Epilepsy, Herpes, Chronic diseases of the heart, Malignant tumors,Diarrhea,Arthritis, etc. you can contact him via: drobohdaniel@gmail.com or whatsapp him on +2347035127032.......Goodluck

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