Kessler (and Drum) fact-check Kellyanne!

SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 4, 2017

Pinocchios all around:
Especially at the top, the Trump administration is full of people who may perhaps seem "unwell."

We'd place Bannon, Flynn and Trump himself at the top of that pile. We'd also look to Kellyanne Conway, who has furiously done it again.

As the leading authority skillfully tells us, Conway "is an American political activist currently serving as Counselor to President Donald [J.] Trump." In that role, she has demonstrated at least three major skills:

She has demonstrated 1) the ability to avoid responding to any question at all, and 2) the ability to reply to any question about her boss by immediately discussing the acts of someone else.

Most significantly, she had demonstrated 3) the ability to Take Offense at Any Word That Has Ever Been Spoken by Any Person On the Face of the Earth.

In this grievance-spewing role, Conway appeared on Wednesday evening's Hardball. She spoke with Chris Matthews, who isn't inclined to criticize someone whose first name includes the word "Kelly."

At the end of the interview, Matthews praised Conway for what he called her "brilliant counterattacks." Earlier, though, she had done it again! Earlier, she had said this:
CONWAY (2/2/17): Two Iraqis came here to this country, were radicalized, and they were the masterminds behind the Bowling Green massacre. Most people didn’t know that because it didn’t get covered.
Matthews didn't challenge any part of that statement. We can't say that he can fairly be blamed him for that.

That said, Conway's statement was riddled with errors. At least one of her errors actually cut against her own team's basic frameworks.

By now, Conway has been widely assailed for (some of) the misstatements in that passage. Let's consider the fact-check performed by the Washington Post's Glenn Kessler, who left that passage in shreds but failed to assign any Pinocchios to the president's angriest flack.

On the whole, Kessler gives a reasonably decent account of Conway's error-riddled statement. For starters, he notes that there is, and was, no such thing as "the Bowling Green massacre," an obvious point to which Conway has actually acceded.

Kessler provides the basic facts about the incident in question at Bowling Green, Kentucky—an incident which didn't involve a "massacre" or any deaths at all. That said, the incident did involve the arrest of two Iraqis, each of whom later pled guilty to federal terrorism charges. Each of the men had been involved in attacks on Americans forces when they still lived in Iraq.

If you want to review the basic facts, we'll recommend Kessler's piece. That said, Kessler made some slightly strange decisions in the course of his fact-check. Just to establish the record, this is his nugget assessment:
KESSLER (2/3/17): In defending President Trump’s executive order temporarily banning refugees, immigrants and citizens from Iraq and six other Muslim-majority countries, Conway referred to something that didn’t happen—the “Bowling Green massacre.” (She also incorrectly said that President Barack Obama “banned” Iraqi refugees, which we have previously fact-checked as false.)

Conway was on her way to a Four-Pinocchio rating when, about an hour and a half after The Fact Checker sent her a query about her remarks, she tweeted that she meant to say “Bowling Green terrorists.”
Oops! Kessler identifies two major misstatements by Conway. He also says that Conway tweeted a claim about what she meant to say.

Conway's tweet makes it sound like she made an honest mistake. We'd say that's one of the possibilities, but Kessler vouches for this unverifiable claim at several points in his fact-check. At one point, he goes beyond what Conway tweeted, identifying the actual "'massacre' that Conway was referring to."

Why would a fact-checker do such a thing? We have no idea. Kessler also makes this peculiar statement about the actual events in Bowling Green:

"Although Conway claimed that the media did not cover the story, the arrests caused an uproar in Congress."

As you can see, the second part of Kessler's statement doesn't relate to the first. The fact that the arrest "caused an uproar in Congress" doesn't speak to Conway's claim about a lack of press coverage.

In fact, there was zero coverage of the massacre, because no such event occurred. But there were two arrests and two guilty pleas, and if we want to tell the whole story, those arrests and pleas don't seem to have gotten a lot of coverage from the Washington Post or the New York Times.

As best we can tell from the Nexis archive, the Post and the Times barely mentioned the arrests of the two Iraqis and the later guilty pleas. If we want to tell the full story, we'll at least give Conway that.

That said, Kessler's construction failed to address Conway's claim about the lack of coverage. It also led us away from any questions we might have about his own newspaper's performance.

On the whole, we'd give Kessler some semi-Pinocchios for the way he treated Conway's performance. In his strangest decision, he seemed to vouch for Conway's good faith, although he had no apparent basis for doing so.

Beyond that, he avoided granting Pinocchios without explaining why he did so. A cynic could even suspect that he fudged one part of his fact-check in service to his own paper.

If we were inclined to hand out stickers, we'd be inclined to grant some semi-Pinocchios here. But we'd also have to grant some stickers to Kevin Drum, who took an equal-but-opposite flawed approach to Conway's error-strewn effort.

What have they done with the real Kevin Drum? In his own furious, snark-heavy post, Drum asserts that Conway didn't make an honest mistake in her error-strewn recitation.

"Do not for a second think that this wasn't deliberate," Drum says. Where Kessler leaps to vouch for Conway's good faith, Drum leaps in the other direction.

Losers, can we talk? This is precisely the type of assertion that Fox bats away in its sleep. Even the slowest performers at Fox could handle Drum's unfounded claim. As they did, they'd tell Fox viewers that they shouldn't believe a single word a fellow like Drum ever says.

It's plain that Conway made several misstatements on Hardball. Is it possible that her misstatements were made in some type of good faith? That she actually bungled the giant pile of index cards which are constantly fluttering around inside her grievance-fueled head?

In our view, she may have known that she was misstating; it's possible that she didn't. In part, we say that because one of her misstatements on Hardball tends to cut against her own side. Once again, here's what she said:

"Two Iraqis came here to this country, were radicalized, and they were the masterminds behind the Bowling Green massacre. Most people didn’t know that because it didn’t get covered."

In fact, the Iraqis in question were already active, radicalized operatives before they entered the U.S., in at least one case on a refugee visa. Their entry into the country was, in fact, a breakdown in vetting procedures.

Recognizing this fact, the Obama administration took steps to re-examine those procedures. But Conway's misstatement of the chronology tends to cut against the way her team wants us to think about the dangers which inevitably adhere to the practice of admitting any refugees at all.

As with any other procedure, there will always be the possibility of errors in vetting. Conway's error in chronology actually directs our attention away from this wonderfully frightening fact.

Kessler vouches for Conway's good faith; Drum insists on the opposite judgment. In truth, neither fellow can defend his claim. Drum's claim, though highly pleasing, is precisely the type of claim Fox stars bat away in their sleep.

Over Here within Our Own Tents, it feels good to gobble the porridge Drum served in this instance. That porridge left us with two questions, though:

What have they done with the real Kevin Drum? And who have they put in his place?

We'd also tag Kessler for this: Kessler goes too easy on Conway in one other respect. We refer to the trademark acts of misdirection she committed in the course of acknowledging her basic misstatement.

No one misdirects quite the way Conway does! Consider this puzzling tweet by Conway, which Kessler quotes but glosses:

"Honest mistakes abound. Last night, prominent editor of liberal site apologized for almost running a story re: tweet from fake account."

This tweet advances Conway's claim that she made an "honest mistake." In the course of making that claim, she behaves in Trademark Conway Fashion, calling attention to something some "prominent liberal" allegedly did.

This qualifies as a definitive act of Look-Over-There Conwayism. That said, does this tweet even make sense?

To us, it pretty much doesn't. Why would someone "apologize" for an error he or she "almost" committed? This is a classic Conway play. Inevitably, it doesn't make sense.

Might we make one final point? In his own post, Drum mocks Matthews for failing to correct Conway's misstatements on the fly, in real time.

We're sorry, but that doesn't make much sense either. Big cable stars should know many facts. They can't know every one.

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  2. Kellyanne is unwell because she says things deeply offensive to Democrats. She also raised eyebrows by referencing a phony "massacre." We should overlook someone who accidentally offers a firsthand account of being attacked by snipers in Bosnia but not one who misreferences one of many incidents involving radical Islam in America.

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    1. "who accidentally offers a firsthand account of being attacked by snipers in Bosnia"

      This was an honest mistake, but don't let it interfere with your hatred.

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    2. Hillary Clinton lost the election and has vanished from the public eye. You don't get to excuse Trump by pointing at her any more.

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    3. It was an honest mistake. I can't tell you how many times I mistakenly tell someone I needed to seek cover from sniper fire.

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    4. No, Kellyanne is unwell because she says things deeply offensive to sane people all over the world.

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    5. It was an honest mistake. I can't tell you how many times I mistakenly tell someone I needed to seek cover from sniper fire.

      Well if you did someone needs to throw a net around you and lock you in a padded cell. The former Secretary of State on the other hand did indeed fly into a dangerous airport in Bosnia.


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      "I was on the plane with then First Lady Hillary Clinton for the trip from Germany into Bosnia in 1996. We were put on a C-17 — a plane capable of steep ascents and descents — precisely because we were flying into what was considered a combat zone. We were issued flak jackets for the final leg because of possible sniper fire near Tuzla. As an additional precaution, the First Lady and Chelsea were moved to the armored cockpit for the descent into Tuzla. We were told that a welcoming ceremony on the tarmac might be canceled because of sniper fire in the hills surrounding the air strip. From Tuzla, Hillary flew to two outposts in Bosnia with gunships escorting her helicopter."
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    6. Steve, Jews said things deeply offensive to perfectly sane Nazis. Being offended and sane is not a test of another's mental health.

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  3. Kellyanne has discovered a sad truth. The TV audience is fairly ignorant and the public are more so. So, making statements with conviction works equally well, whether her facts are accurate or inaccurate. That's why it's better to read intelligent, honest bloggers than to watch TV. The best of the bloggers have the time and inclination to get their facts straight.

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    1. Translation:

      David is cool with the administration fucking lying, cause it works.

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    2. mm, my comment said that this situation is "sad" not that I was OK with it.

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    3. it's not a "situation" dickhead.
      It's the administration deliberately and repeatedly and continuously lying.

      She is now lying about her lie which she was using to promulgate a lie. And you knowingly voted for Caligula, asshole.

      Forever and ever you will be known for picking the side of hate.

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    4. mm -- that's only part of it. It's that every Administration and every politician can do well by speaking firmly and with certainty, if they choose to, because most of the media and msot of the public don't know enough to see through the false statements. Obama aide Ben Rhodes boasted in the New York Times Sunday Magazine about how he sold the Iran treaty through through creative spin and manipulation of the press.

      I guess one could debate whether Rhodes or Conway is the more skilled liar. But, as I said, it's a sad situation that these people speak for their President and help develop policy and sell it to the public.

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    5. http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/05/let-us-now-psychoanalyze-young-ben-rhodes

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    6. I guess one could debate whether Rhodes or Conway is the more skilled liar.

      Only if you are a dishonest trolling weasel trying to avoid the obvious fact that you voted for Caligula.

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    7. David, even the extremely conservative SNL has turned to mocking this administration's deliberate and repeated lies.

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    8. mm, I doubt if there is a single Republican affiliated with SNL. But, aside from the adjective and adverb, I agree that anti-Trump people have turned supposed lying into the the characteristic about which the Trump Administration can be mocked. This is parallel to the way they mocked the supposed dumbness of Presidents Bush and Ford.

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    9. The two Bowling Green suspects were arrested in May, 2011. The FBI had pretended to help the men supply weapons and cash to al-Qaida. One of them had been engaged in the sting operation for 20 months. The FBI released little information, claiming the men were charged in a sealed indictment.
      http://www.bgdailynews.com/news/terrorism-arrests-in-bowling-green-case-shows-gaps-in-screening/article_b14f322b-39dd-56ae-a694-133be58cc4cf.html
      FWIW. As Bob (and Conway) pointed out, there was not a lot of coverage in the MSM.
      This arrest occurred after the assassination of Osama bin Laden on May 2.
      That story was still in the news, and stories of terrorist’s revenge attacks were still in the news.
      These events, plus stories about who watched the assassination in the White House Situation Room could certainly upstage a report on the dog that didn’t bite.

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    10. They're mocked because they lie, constantly, unashamedly, knowingly and with unabashed contempt for the American people.

      to date, Politifact scorecard:

      For the Bastard President: a total of 69% False, Mostly False or Pants on Fire False

      For Sean Spicer a whopping 83%

      And the grand prize, for Sugarlips Conway:
      100% of her statements checked by Politifact were False, Mostly False or Pants on Fire False.

      That's quite a crew you voted for. You must be so proud, Traitor.

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    11. Mm, you seem in need of a relaxing vacation.

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    12. My, my. It seems there's a third possibility as to why Kellyanne Conway referred to "the Bowling Green Massacre." One is that she was lying, two is that she misspoke and meant to say "terrorists" instead of "massacre," but now as a third possibility emerges the second one no longer seems at all credible. Perhaps Conway was confused on the issue and, instead of understanding that the two men were arrested before they attacked in the U.S., she thought their arrests came after they had attacked and killed soldiers in Kentucky. [LINK]

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    13. It's hard to keep track of all the Islamist terror. The number of Americans slaughtered keeps growing.

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    14. The number of Americans slaughtered by Islamic terror keeps multiplying...by zero.

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  4. But simply note that one cannot "correct" the statement that two Iraqis were the "masterminds" behind the Bowling Green "massacre" by asserting one meant to say they were the masterminds "behind" the "Bowling Green terrorists"...The "masterminds" were the "terrorists".

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  5. 'In our view, she may have known that she was misstating; it's possible that she didn't."

    The word "massacre" is too absolute for it to be a mistake. Then she accused the media for not reporting her fabrication.

    This sounds to me like an attempt to create another "Benghazi" for the rubes to beat the drums about.

    Two embarrassments now: this idiocy and the "alternative facts" nonsense.

    Credibility shot. The girl who cried wolf....

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    1. Re; Benghazi
      I'm with DinC on that one. Congressional Republicans didn't deny American foreign outposts (like Benghazi) the additional security funding requested because Congressional Republicans are evil. They simply did it because at the time they were in the midst of making believe the richest country in the history of mankind was broke, so they could hamstring the Obama Presidency. Nothing evil, just the GOP standard of putting party before country.

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  6. It takes a low level of critical thinking ability to actually believe Conway would intentionally invent a "massacre" on a nationally broadcast interview thinking it would not receive any attention, particularly in this era.

    I really believe Trump Derangement Syndrome is costing sufferers at least a dozen IQ point a week.

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    1. You don't seem to understand the concept of fake news.

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    2. There is Trump Derangement Syndrome and also Trump Derangement at work here.

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    3. When the Democrats abuse the power of their office to launch continuous fraudulent investigations of Trump spanning 3 decades, maybe then you can appropriate the "derangement syndrome" label against them, but until then it so false as to be laughable. The illness recognized as Clinton Derangement Syndrome took decades to recognize.

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    4. Voting for a judge and then voting against the same judge is a clear symptom. Democrats are begging for investigations into Trump and Russia and "election hacking" but they don't want investigations into illegals voting, which actually does affect elections. They are terrible.

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    5. Dave the Guitar PlayerFebruary 9, 2017 at 1:14 PM

      Anon 4:51 - You apparently do no understand the difference between having evidence of election hacking by Russians and wanting an investigation and having an investigation of voter fraud when there is no credible evidence. All sorts of things "might" affect elections, but we should start by investigating the ones where we already have the evidence that they exist.

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  7. For Fox viewers, what statement couldn't be "batted away"? And with that crowd, who cares if it is? They will never, ever, be on our side anyway.

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    1. Some of us are on your side on many fronts, but you keep moving the center point on important issues, throwing your R bombs over every disagreement, maligning police officers, and so we find ourselves sympathizing more with the right.

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  10. I find Kevin Drum's defense against Somerby's criticism more convincing than Somerby's arguments.

    I am put off every time Somerby claims that calling out lies is "pleasing" to liberals. The rancor between liberals and conservatives isn't pleasing to me. It is upsetting. Conflict makes me feel anxious and queasy. The idea that we cannot run our government without not just bickering but outright war worries me that our democracy will fail and we will live in a country descending into the chaos of 1930's Germany or some banana republic. I don't hate conservatives or find it "pleasing" when they are maligned. I hate what our nation has become and those who have made it this way for their own gain, whether financial or in pursuit of power.

    Somerby should understand that about liberals and stop maligning us.

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    1. And the irony is that yes, there are the extremes on both sides, but most voters are independents now, and do not align with either. Yet the polar extremes define the debate. Mostly the left which doesn't seem to understand our foundations and now fights against free speech. When a group fails to understand the importance of every word of the First Amendment and thinks we would be better off with "hate speech laws" and the like, we have a problem.

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    2. There is no God, and there never was.

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    There are three things wrong with the Middle East: bakshish (bribery), maalish (a sort of it's too hot, I'll do it tomorrow thing) and British.

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  14. Uncle Drum's commentariat contains a number of former Howler reader's which seems larger than the number of current Howler reader's who comment here on a regular basis.

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  15. It is being pointed out today that Ms. Conway had earlier referenced the atrocities of the Bowling Green Massacre before the Hardball appearance. Geez Bob, maybe she ain't a liar, but she sure is brazen! So let's give her points for that.

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  16. Ugh. Drum pointed out that Conway did not, as She claims, misspeak. Substituting the word She claims She meant over the one She used leaves a statement that makes no sense. We now know She has pimped the Massacre line before and gotten away with it. What a trite, mean, pitiful performance from Somerby.

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    I'm from New Jersey USA. Getting back your husband after a divorce, break up. My husband and I have been through every top reason for divorce; financial struggles, bankruptcy, stressful jobs, becoming parents when we weren't ready (neither one of us would give our kids back just the amount of stress is overwhelming) we fought ALL the time over anything and everything. I threatened divorce all the time. One day after a fight I said I was done and filling. He told me he wasn't in love with me any more. After a day or two of cooling off I realized that divorce is not what I wanted. No, our marriage was not healthy but we had so much going against us an neither one of us were trying. I begged for him to forgive me and that I didn't mean it. He told me he loved me but wasn't in love with me any more. Those words hurt and I believed him. After a month or two he also backed out of the divorce and didn't want to leave me. We also saw THREE different couples counsellors who did not help us at all. (Maybe just bad luck) we still have our moments but not as bad as before. We BOTH read a book called "Love and Respect" i read a great testimony of him that he help many to fight against their divorce marriage and broken relationship so i email him straight ahead at solutionoflovespelltemple@hotmail.com and explain the fight between me and my husband, so he gave me assurance and guarantee that my husband will come back again and forgive me just 2 days after the spell. so that was how Dr. Ogbefi help me out on my divorce problem with my husband he is really good and real man of his words plz if you need any help like my, advise goes to Dr. Ogbefi at solutionoflovespelltemple@hotmail.com, call or And also Reach him on WhatsApp Number: +2349057915709 Thanks Dr. Ogbefi

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  19. HOW A GREAT SPELL CASTER SAVED ME FROM SHAME!

    Hi everyone,I'm Gary Fisher by name and i will love to share my testimony to everyone on this forum!because i never taught my girlfriend will ever come back to me. for no reason she left me 4 weeks to our weeding for another man.she never returned any of my calls,deleted and blocked me on her Facebook. she changed her Facebook status from married to Single and moved out of her apartment. when i went to her place of work,she told her boss that she never want to see me and that left heartbroken...i lost my job as a result of this because i cant get myself anymore,my life was upside down and everything did not go smooth with my life…I tried all i could do to have her back but none worked out until i met a Man whom i Traveled back from Africa with to the states,while returning form my self Holiday of trying to get over her. we sat close to each other as we were chatting about relationship,I told him my problem and all have passed through in getting her back and how i lost my job…he told me he will help me…i don’t believe that in the first,but he swore he will help me out and he told me the reason why my girlfriend left me and also told me some hidden secrets.i was amazed when he said he will cast a spell for me and i will see the results in the next couple of days..the following day i called him when i got home and will made arrangements after which he bought all the materials needed for the spells,he said am gonna see positive results in the next 2 days that is Thursday… My girlfriend called me at exactly 12:41am on Thursday and apologies for all she had done..she said,she never knew what she’s doing and her sudden behavior was not intentional,she promised not to do that again.it was like am dreaming when i heard that from her and when we ended the call,i called the man and told him my wife called and he said i haven’t seen anything yet… he said i will also get my job back in 3 days time..and when its Sunday,they called me at my place of work that i should resume working on Monday and they gonna compensate me for the time limit have spent at home without working..My life is back into shape,i have my girlfriend back and we are happily married now with kid and i have my job back too.This man is really powerful..if we have up to 20 people like him in the world,the world would have been a better place..he has also helped many of my friends to solve many problems and they are all happy now..Am posting this to the forum for anybody that is interested in meeting this great man for help.you can email him on: aliherbalmagic@gmail.com OR Text and call me on +1561-231-9522.

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  20. Are you going through a break-up or divorce? Do you need your Ex back fast? Dnot cry anymore, contact Dr .Goodluck powerful Love spell that work fast now!! I was hurt and heart broken when my Husband breakup with me, and i could not know what next to do again, I love my Husband so much but he was cheating on me with another woman and this makes him break up with me so that he can be able to get marred to the other lady and this lady i think use witchcraft on my Husband to make him hate me and our kids and this was so critical and uncalled-for,I cry all day and night for God to send me a helper to get back my man until i went to Texas in USA to see a friend and who was having the same problem with me but she latter got her husband back and i asked her how she was able to get her husband back and she told me that their was a powerful spell caster called Dr .Goodluck that help with love spell in getting back lost lover back, and i decided to contact the same Dr .Goodluck and he told me what is needed to be done for me to have my man back and i did it although i doubted it but i did it and the Dr told me that i will get the result after 17hours, and he told me that my husband was going to call me and i still doubted his word, to my surprise my husband really called me and told me that he miss me so much, Oh My God! i was so excited, and today i am happy with my man again and we are joyfully living together as one big family and i thank the powerful spell caster Dr .Goodluck for bringing back my man and i decided to share my story on the internet that Dr .Goodluck is best spell caster online who i will always pray to live long to help his children in the time of trouble, If you have any problem contact Dr .Goodluck and i guarantee you that he will help you,Email him at: goodluck05spellcaster@gmail.com ,you can also call him or add him on whats-app: +2349059610309 ,http://goodluck05spellcaster.yolasite.com

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  21. Hello, I am Theresa Williams After being in relationship with Anderson for years, he broke up with me, I did everything possible to bring him back but all was in vain, I wanted him back so much because of the love I have for him, I begged him with everything, I made promises but he refused. I explained my problem to my friend and she suggested that I should rather contact a spell caster that could help me cast a spell to bring him back but I am the type that never believed in spell, I had no choice than to try it, I mailed the spell caster, and he told me there was no problem that everything will be okay before three days, that my ex will return to me before three days, he cast the spell and surprisingly in the second day, it was around 4 pm. My ex called me, I was so surprised, I answered the call and all he said was that he was so sorry for everything that happened that he wanted me to return to him, that he loves me so much. I was so happy and went to him that was how we started living together happily again. Since then, I have made promise that anybody I know that have a relationship problem, I would be of help to such person by referring him or her to the only real and powerful spell caster who helped me with my own problem. email: drogunduspellcaster@gmail.com you can email him if you need his assistance in your relationship or any other Case.

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    Contact this great man if you are having any problem for a lasting solution
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  22. Dr.Agbazara Your spell worked and brought my husband back to me. You gave me support when I was feeling hopeless. I feel truly blessed to have found your email address. I sincerely hope others will take that leap of faith and let you help them as you have helped me.for those of you who want to contact him reach him on his email address: ( agbazara@gmail.com ) OR WHATSAPP +2348104102662 you will never regret contacting him… He is capable of restoring your relationship and marriage problems like he did for me.

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  23. Hey...... My name is Angela Fox, I have been living with HIV/AIDS

    for the past 5 YEARS. i will forever be thankful to God for using Dr Akhigbe to

    heal me when i thought it's all over, today i'm happy with my family after i'm

    confirmed HIV Negative from my Doctor, i have never believed that i can be cure

    from HIV/AIDS. I want to use this opportunity to reach others who have this disease

    by testifying the powerful herbs of Doctor Akhigbe sent to me, contact him through

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  24. Hey...... My name is Angela Fox, I have been living with HIV/AIDS

    for the past 5 YEARS. i will forever be thankful to God for using Dr Akhigbe to

    heal me when i thought it's all over, today i'm happy with my family after i'm

    confirmed HIV Negative from my Doctor, i have never believed that i can be cure

    from HIV/AIDS. I want to use this opportunity to reach others who have this disease

    by testifying the powerful herbs of Doctor Akhigbe sent to me, contact him through

    his email akhigbespellhome@gmail.com he also have herbal cure Hepatitis B and C

    with Penis Enlargement Cream you can email him via his email

    akhigbespellhome@gmail.com or email me angelafox333@gmail.com for more information about doctor

    akhigbe all thanks to you once again Doctor Akhigbe

    DOCTOR Akhigbe CAN AS WELL CURE THE FOLLOWING DISEASE:-

    1. HIV/AIDS
    2. HERPES
    3. CANCER
    4. ALS
    5. Hepatitis B
    6. Diabetes
    7. Weak erection
    8. Penis Enlargement

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  25. him back but its seems so so difficult because he was already inlove with the other woman. he warned me never to call his phones again, even when i do the woman picks and insult me. she called me all sort of names, so i decided to let be. just few weeks ago, i met a good friend of mine walkin with her husband, i felt jealous, i greeted her and we both had a chat, so she introduced me to someone who helped her to get her man back, and that she had a similar case. she introduced me to Dr. Uzor, and asked me to contact him online on: uzorspelltemple@gmail.com, which i did. the great Dr. Uzor assured me that in seven days, he will come begging. exactly the seventh day, he packed back home, with tears in his eyes, that he was blind folded spiritually. now we are having the best family happines anyone could ever imagine. thanks to Dr. Uzor. you can also contact him for any form of probles you wish to solve. reach him on; {uzorspelltemple@gmail.com}or you can visit him on website: (www.uzorspelltemple.webs.com )

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  27. My name is Richard Adam I'm from UK I want to share my testimony with everyone of how a great and powerful VOODOO priest named DR OGUDUGU helped me get my wife who left me for another man i was frustrated and one day i saw his email online and i quickly emailed him and he said that i should put my total trust in him that my ex will come back so a day later my ex came back and now we are living happily together thank to DR OGUDUGU he is the best spell caster online if you are in need of help here WhatsApp him +2348055304321 or email him at GREATOGUDUGU@GMAIL.COM

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  28. No one could have ever made me believe that the letter I'm about to write would actually one day be written. I was the world’s biggest skeptic. I never believed in magic spells or anything like that, but I was told by a reliable source (a very close co-worker) that Dr Marvel is a very dedicated, gifted, and talented person, and after much “cajoling,” she (my co-worker) got me to visit email ONIHASPELLTEMPLE@GMAIL.COM. It was one of the best things I have ever done. My love life was in shambles; I had been through two divorces and was on the brink of a third. I just couldn't face another divorce, and I wanted to try harder to make our relationship work, but my husband didn't seem to care. So, with nothing but my pride to lose, I checked it out. I was flabbergasted. Dr Marvel is for REAL. He did whatever magic he does, and lo and behold – no more than TWO DAYS later, I had my husband back! It was like a miracle! He suddenly wanted to go to marriage counseling, and we’re doing very, very well, on the road to recovery! Love and Many Blessings Back to You! Contact Dr Oniha VIA email ONIHASPELLTEMPLE@GMAIL.COM OR ONIHASPELLTEMPLE@HOTMAIL.COM.You can also contact him directly on his website http://onihaspelltemple.webs.com

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  29. My mouth is full of testimonies, Am Mrs Susan Morgan. my husband left home for two years to south Africa for a tourist, where he meant this Lady and he was bewitch by the girl my husband refuse to come back home again, i cry day and night looking for who to help me, i read a news paper about a powerful spell caster called DR Ekpiku and i contacted the spell caster to help me get my lover back to me and he ask me not to worry about it that the gods we fight for me.. he told me by mid-night when all the spirit is at rest he will cast a spell to reunite my lover back to me. and he did in less than 3 days my husband came back to me and started crying that i should forgive him, i,m so happy for what this spell caster did for me and my husband..email: Ekpikuspelltemple@live.com
    (1)If you want your ex back.
    (2) if you always have bad dreams.
    (3)if You want to be promoted in your office.or if you have a place to work and you need help
    (5)If you want a child.
    (6)[You want to be rich.

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  30. My name Paul, from USA, i am 45 years old, i started experiencing weak erection

    and premature ejaculation for the past 6 years, for this reason i have to separate from my

    wife because i wasn't satisfying her in bed and we always had issues every now and then, i

    tries to search for a solution i could not find, i went various hospital but all was up to

    no avail, so luckily for me i came across a man named GREAT OLA , i contacted him through

    his email:drolaspelltemple1@gmail.com ,whatssap +2348106431263 So i told him what has been going on with me and he

    said he could help me, i thought it was joke, so i gave him a try and to God who made me,

    he cured me with his medication, he made me a full man again, i was so active, i can now

    perform stronger and better than before, i got my wife back again, his product has no side

    effect. he cast the spell ask follows:
    Low sperm count
    Love spell
    Herpes spell
    HIV spell
    Pregnancy spell
    Marriage for spell
    cancer
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    witch craft attack
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    long time sickness
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    with GREAT OLA you are in safe hands your healing is assur
    Email:drolaspelltemple1@gmail.com , whatssap +2348106431263
    you can contact him also for any kind of disease
    hiv/aids
    cardiac problem

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