THURSDAY, APRIL 5, 2018
Part 3—The question of good intentions: Last Saturday morning, Donald J. Trump unloosed a new load of Trumpism on the world.
That said, Trumpism and its various offshoots existed long before Trump. It can be practiced by people who are fully sincere and thoroughly well-intentioned.
Unhelpful behavior can even exist when we talk about matters of race. That said, the emotion invested in such discussions makes this fact a bit hard for us to digest Over Here.
It seems to us that our nation is in serious trouble. It seems to us that we the liberals have invested ourselves in practices which make this threat more severe.
It seemed to us that we received a dose of that when we watched C-Span last Saturday morning. We watched a person who was fully sincere and who, it seemed and seems to us, was not entirely unlike Trump in the nature of her presentations.
At present, we liberals are strongly disinclined to consider such possibilities. It seems to us that this is one of the places where the coming whirlwind starts.
We hope to offer a few observations on this matter tomorrow. Our readings this morning were so depressing that we decided to take this time off.
A final note:
As you may recall, Cassandra was right, even though folk were quite sure she was wrong. The leading authority on her life can be consulted here.
Hyginus gets it right: According to the leading authority, Gaius Julius Hyginus, a pupil of Cornelius Alexander Polyhistor, offered this overview of the situation:
"Cassandra, daughter of the king and queen, in the temple of Apollo, exhausted from practicing, is said to have fallen asleep; whom, when Apollo wished to embrace her, she did not afford the opportunity of her body. On account of which thing, when she prophesied true things, she was not believed."
Some will refer to this as "legend." That said, as far as we know, Hyginus got it right.
"we the liberals have invested ourselves in practices which make this threat more severe."
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It's one thing to criticize *politicians * for their pronouncements on race/racism, which may represent tactical misjudgments and lessen the chances at electoral success. It's quite another to criticize non-politicians, such as academics, actors, and people like Savali, for expressing views on race or any other issue. Many of these views may contain elements of truth, some may be inflammatory: sometimes the truth hurts.
Somerby SEEMS to wish for some sort of censorship (self or otherwise) of people like Savali, presumably because he thinks their "behavior" hurts liberals' chances of election victories. I say "presumably" because it isn't clear Somerby thinks much of liberals as a group, at least not the current crop.
We as a society value (or should value) a free exchange of ideas. And no one should be silenced because their remarks might piss someone off, or might be misinterpreted by others. When you ask someone like Savali to silence themselves because the right wing might not like what she says, you cede the ground entirely to the right wing and allow them to set the terms of the discussion.
You neglected to note that Bob has every right to express his views as well. If he thinks what Savali said was unhelpful and should have refrained from speaking, you should not imply that he should self censor his remarks to avoid offending you.
DeleteThe real offensive and dishonest part is that BS continues to pretend that he's a liberal.
DeleteDave, that's a pretty lame rebuttal. No one said that Somerby should censor himself. The commenter is expressing disagreement with Somerby. That is also their right.
DeleteAmong other things, Kirsten West Savali says that black people in the US live in an occupied territory (quoting James Baldwin) and she refers to the police shootings as executions and assassinations, and she calls for action. She seems unwilling to accept the results of due process.
DeleteSomerby says: "It seems to us that this is one of the places where the coming whirlwind starts."
Somerby is not specific about what he means when he refers to a whirlwind, but following as it does the statements about race, he implies he fears helter-skelter, the race war anticipated by white supremacists, the armed conflict for which militias are preparing.
I don't think Somerby is a white supremacist. I do think Trump is. But I also don't think that black people are hastening any kind of race war when they talk about the need for civil rights and change in policing in activist terms. West Savali was restrained in her vague call for "action" against what she likens to apartheid conditions (without using those words).
I think Somerby is being over-sensitive. He is also wrong when he calls for black people to talk about racial issues using more restrained language. But he raises the same issue that MLK discussed repeatedly with his colleagues, as they urged him to be more restrained in his own speeches and the actions he organized to advance civil rights 50 years ago.
Somerby is on the wrong side of history when he thinks that any kind of change will be accomplished by being more civil, and that any kind of whirlwind will be evoked by the tepid words of West Savali.
What planet is Somerby living on these days? His elitist Greek and Trojan references are offensive. Does he think he is Cassandra? Couldn't Cassandra as easily be West Savali?
Somerby often criticizes liberals for the way they talk about race. But he never indicates how they SHOULD talk about it. One gets the impression that he would prefer it if liberals NEVER talked about race or racial issues.
DeleteThe Sanders creed is that identity politics stand in the way of the coming revolution. That's why Bernie isn't for any kind of civil rights. These things are a distraction from the most important cause, economic equality. However, I'm not sure that actively opposing civil rights is the best way to accomplish Bernie's vision.
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DeleteYours is a straw man argument again today. Boring. Again.
What is straw man about pointing out that this person isn't a representative of the media and that suppressing individual opinions is a bad idea? Do you even know what a straw man is?
DeleteBernie Sanders is finished in Democratic politics after dissing Obama on the anniversary of MLK's death. Anyone seriously considering running for President in 2020 will need black votes and won't get them by attributing flaws in the Democratic approach to our only black president.
Delete1:16 You still haven’t got it. “we liberals” is Bob’s shorthand for the “liberal” msm and those that suck up to their suckiness, namely the viewers. Those stats are reliably tracked by the advertisers. Did you know that every actual show you watch is known as “filler” in the industry? Everything you watch is determined by its profitability. That’s why Maddow et. al. are so rich. In other words, Maddow attracts viewers to push ads. That is her sole job. And she’s number one amongst “liberal” viewers as far as I know.
DeleteThe C-Span bit is more problematic, and you indulge in some mind-reading. I’m sure Bob will clear it up for us. I’m interested to learn WHY he is so un-enamored with Savali, that is not the usual msm fair.
BTW, I saw Sonny Landreth last Friday, I’m still discombobulated.
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DeleteSomerby says "Hyginus gets it right". On what basis can he know that? There are apparently several versions of how Cassandra became cursed, some involving snakes. Apparently in all versions, Apollo didn't understand that no means no. Some blame Cassandra for breaking her part of a bargain involving a quid pro quo for sex, which resulted in her being cursed. Seems unfair in all of the versions.
ReplyDeleteBut how can Somerby know which version is correct and how can he know whether this is myth or history?
Finally, how can Somerby have the nerve to give us a story in which a woman tells the truth repeatedly and no one believes her, after himself refusing to believe anything Stephanie Clifford says about her relationship with Trump and its aftermath?
"According to the leading authority, Gaius Julius Hyginus, a pupil of Cornelius Alexander Polyhistor, offered this overview of the situation:"
ReplyDeleteYes, Bob, and your own tendency to assign magical powers to clowns grimacing inside the idiot-box often is, I must say, right along the lines of the ancient Greek way of thinking.
How quaint.
Mao is a purveyor of Russian untreated sewage.
DeleteWith the rise of the Alt-Right, white supremacism, male superiority movements and global fascism, I'm not sure that downplaying social justice issues is the right thing to be doing these days. There needs to be push back against this stuff. If we are quiet about it, this other bad stuff will become the norm by default and we will be living in an even worse society than Trump is trying to build today.
ReplyDeletePerhaps, but then again, David and Mao limit themselves to notions and assertions that are so easily debunked, who would pay for such drivel?
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