Watching a nation get disassembled!

THURSDAY, MAY 7, 2020

Trump says the death count is wrong:
Let's take a quick step back.

Mr. Lincoln fought a war to keep the union together. At present, our union is rapidly being disassembled under the aegis of Mr. Lincoln's current successor.

The post office is about to go. Each of the fifty states is on its own in the ongoing war against the virus.

This is the widely disassembled Eden Ron Paul used to dream about. We're not even saying it's right or it's wrong. We're just saying that this is what's happening.

As part of this process, we're losing all access to logic and fact. Logic and information are being disassembled, along with the rest of the architecture and infrastructure of our failing union.

Our progressive teams contribute to this game in matters concerning gender and race. When we can't understand this fact about ourselves, we contribute to the ongoing disintegration of national feeling.

The refusal to discuss Trump's apparent mental disorder also furthers this process. That said, nobody plays this game like Donald J. Trump and the various Millers around him.

This recent post by Jonathan Chait leads to the one of saddest example of this lunacy we have ever seen. We refer to the president's apparent desire to start claiming that the number of coronavirus deaths is being inflated as part of the latest Deep State scam.

Below, you see the basic nugget from Chait's post. Through a link, it leads to an astounding background report:
CHAIT (5/7/20): The next step, reports Axios, will be to begin publicly questioning the listed totals of coronavirus deaths. “Trump has vented that the numbers seem inflated,” it reports, as have several people around him who believe the same.

This is not just a matter of public spin, like Trump’s campaign to pressure the news media into reporting that his tiny inauguration crowd was larger than it was. The news source he trusts, Fox News, has been running hours of programming questioning the death totals. One Fox theory has seized on changes to official tabulation by the CDC. Another misinterprets the categorization of pneumonia deaths. Axios reports that Trump himself has repeated yet another theory, which raises questions about an increase in previously uncategorized nursing-home deaths in New York.
Regarding the CDC tabulation, Chait links to this recent report by the Washington Post's Aaron Blake. Blake describes stupidity so vast that it seems hard to believe, even in this era.

We're going to let you scan Blake's report yourself. Simply put, some CDC numbers lag behind the actual totals because they're a count of official death certificates, not of actual deaths.

A lag time in filing official death certificates keeps the running total low in this particular CDC tabulation. This fact is explained all through the CDC accounting in question, but it has apparently generated the latest wave of insanity in Trump/Miller land.

For some time, we've been telling you this—we don't quite see a way out of this mess. When we let our own tribe be ruled by our own single-minded brigades, we only speed up this post-Lincoln process.

A truly sad example: For a truly sad example of the Trumpism practiced by our own team, we recommend this essay at The Nation by Cornell philosophy professor Kate Manne.

Simply put, Manne presents endless evidence supporting the fact that Tara Reade may be telling the truth. Manne seems to think that this evidence means that Reade is telling the truth.

It ought to be amazing to think that a person like this could possible be a Cornell philosophy professor. It ought to be amazing to think that, but the history of the past five decades tells us that it isn't.

This is the way we feed the madness. We feed the madness daily.

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  1. Yeah, dear Bob, your logic is flawless, as always.

    Whether Rapist Joe did or did not finger Tara Read - that is impossible to ascertain; we will never know.

    And alleging that the number of coronavirus deaths might be inflated is insanity.

    Is that it, dear Bob? Any other brilliant revelations?

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  2. "Our progressive teams contribute to this game in matters concerning gender and race."

    No, don't contribute to any disassembly. Liberals support civil rights for all people in our nation. That means extending the rights accorded to white men, to all other people regardless of gender or race (or disability or age or religion, and so on). This strengthens our nation. It doesn't hurt those currently enfranchised but it brings others into wider participation, which is a good thing.

    That Somerby does not understand this strongly suggests he is no liberal, since this is a major tenet of belief and action for both liberals and progressives. That, and reducing the distance between rich and poor in our nation.

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    1. Obama really failed at those major tenets. Are you writing satire?

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  3. Holding beliefs that have been foundational to our nation, which conservatives (and now Republicans also) choose to reject, doesn't mean WE are responsible for the disintegration of our nation. There is nothing new about what we believe. If anything, the left has been more extreme in the past, especially during the last Great Depression and prior to that in the early 1900s, when the gap between rich and poor was so extreme that it was feared there might be a revolution in America, like that in several European nations.

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    1. The gap between the rich and the poor is bigger now than it ever has been.

      It must be so great to still be naive, under-informed and idealistic!

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  4. This is idiotic. Someone writes an essay saying that she believes Reade, so she is playing games with gender that will lead to the dissolution of our nation? That doesn't leave any room at all for differences of opinion, much less diverse perspectives.

    I don't believe Tara Reade and one reason is because LaCasse's interview was published in Business Insider, which is a right wing publication. The mainstream press wouldn't touch it, or Reade's story as Reade told it either. Reporters, whose job is to investigate, decided there wasn't enough evidence to tarnish a presidential candidate's reputation. But Business Insider had no qualms. So I think Reade is a put-up job, trying to damage the Democratic candidate and help Trump be elected.

    Manne says she will vote for Biden anyway, and she appears to be doing some damage control. Somerby dislikes her for that. So where then does that put Somerby? On the right, with the conservatives who are trying to take down Biden. His argument that Reade is a phony is alienating to liberals, who tend to believe that women are people and have the same rights as anyone else -- and thus are trying to disrupt our nation according to Somerby.

    This is not a "game" (as Somerby puts it). This is cold hard reality. We cannot stand more of Trump because people are dying due to his incompetence. He must not be elected again. Games have no serious consequences. This election is deadly serious. And I think Somerby is on the wrong side.

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    1. Nowhere does TDH say he dislikes Manne for her voting preference. Nowhere does TDH say he dislikes Manne for her justifications for her voting preference. Nowhere does TDH say he dislikes Manne.

      TDH disapproves of her reasoning, because

      [s]imply put, Manne presents endless evidence supporting the fact that Tara Reade may be telling the truth. Manne seems to think that this evidence means that Reade is telling the truth. (Emphasis TDH’s.)

      You still can’t read for comprehension, I see.

      This is not a "game" (as Somerby puts it). This is cold hard reality.

      Not every game is a board game. Read up on mathematical game theory.

      You’re as Ignorant as a ball peen hammer.

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    2. Good lord, will you never learn inference?

      How stupid is it that Somerby says Manne presents "endless evidence" but is not permitted to draw a conclusion from that evidence, as occurs in every jury deliberation or courtroom, including the court of public opinion?

      Where did I say that even this so-called game is a board game, much less all games everywhere?

      Is a ball peen hammer ignorant? Not any more than any other inanimate object. Figurative language clearly isn't your strength.

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    3. @deadrat
      Nowhere in Somerby’s post does he rebut any of the evidence. He just implies that Manne’s conclusion is unwarranted. Very weak.

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    4. As it turns out, I’m just fine with inference. You said,

      This is not a "game" (as Somerby puts it). This is cold hard reality.

      I properly inferred that you don’t think that some parts of cold, hard reality can’t be validly analyzed as a game, that TDH is trivializing our situation as a mere game. Like the ones we play on boards for fun.

      I also properly inferred that you don’t know anything about game theory and its applications to cold, hard reality.

      Manne is permitted to draw any conclusion she wishes. But some conclusions, like hers, can’t be rationally justified. It’s ironic that you call on jury deliberation as your metaphor because Reade’s “evidence” would be unlikely to support an indictment, and if it ever did, the case wouldn’t survive a motion for summary dismissal.

      Is a ball peen hammer ignorant? Well, a ball peen hammer knows about as much as you do, it reasons just as well, and it reads for comprehension just like you.

      So, I don’t know. You tell me.

      I guess it turns out that figurative language is something else I know about.

      Go figure.

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    5. mh,

      Don’t go all Corby on me. TDH’s notes that Reade’s claim is unsupported by anything but hearsay testimony. At a trial, her testimony would be direct evidence, as would Biden’s denial. After that, there’s nothing. Without something else — DNA, video, eyewitnesses, documentary material— there’s nothing to rebut.

      THD doesn’t imply that Manne’s conclusion is unwarranted. He comes right out and says it.

      The problem is that you can make a reasonable case that everything that Reade has said and done is consistent with Biden’s assaulting her. And also consistent with her lying about the assault.

      So what does a reasonable person do? Well, TDH says that a reasonable person lives with the uncertainty and the consequent fact that we'll never know the truth given the current state of things.

      If you want to argue with that position, fine. But don’t fault TDH for not rebutting the unrebuttable.

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  5. “Logic and information are being disassembled, along with the rest of the architecture and infrastructure of our failing union.

    Our progressive teams contribute to this game in matters concerning gender and race.”

    Somerby’s example of how our progressive “teams” (there’s more than one?) contribute:

    A column by someone saying she believes Reade, based on an evaluation of the evidence.

    Except the issue here isn’t race or gender; it’s sexual assault.

    That said, Somerby does his usual thing here of picking specific op-eds that fit his preferred narrative and concludes that his narrative is, indeed, correct, namely that a few op-eds expressing a particular point of view show what “progressives” think.

    It would be more useful to approach this as an exercise in media criticism: what is the overall coverage of this issue? Is it predominantly to try to show Biden is a sexual assaulter? Or is it a mixture, or are these op-eds outliers?

    And, by not actually refuting Manne’s column, he doesn’t really debunk it. Saying “we can never know” is not an answer to the doubters.

    It also strikes me as off-kilter to equate willful propaganda coming from the White House and the GOP about a deadly pandemic with a handful of random columnists expressing a view about an allegation of sexual assault.

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    1. Somerby doesn't have the concentration to write an analysis of anything any more. He shoots from the hip and regurgitates a bunch of stale phrases that reappear, throwing in whatever references his memory dredges up, relevant or not (the Lady with the Lapdog, Dylan's Poor Immigrant). There's no connection between CDC deaths and Reade, but Somerby doesn't need one, because he just needs to churn out enough words with the right slant to get paid by his benefactors. If they are Russian, they won't even know he stopped making sense a long time ago.

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    2. There's no connection between CDC deaths and Reade,….

      Of course, not. But how bone-deep ignorant are you that you think that’s what TDH is claiming?

      He even states his claim so simply that even you should be able to understand it:

      [W]e're losing all access to logic and fact.

      On their side, they’ll believe arrant nonsense about COVID-19 death totals.

      On our side, we’ll believe that in the absence of reliable evidence, enough maybe’s can add up to one is.

      Is your inability to understand the simplest argument an isolated thing or is it a sign of major cognitive impairment? You might wanna get that checked out.

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    3. Deadrat, that is too broad a statement to constitute a connection "We're losing all access to logic and fact."

      Their side/our side = false equivalence.

      This is no argument. It is a stew made up of leftovers thrown together with no overall theme, thus it is incoherent. But you defend Somerby anyway.

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    4. “On our side, we’ll believe...”

      Of course. When you state it that way, the way Somerby does, you can tell yourself that both sides do it. Claim that all progressives (“our side”) agree with Manne or whatever columnist Somerby happens to single out. It is arrant nonsense.

      It is also stupid to say “on their side they’ll believe”. This characterization of “sides” as a monolithic bunch of zombies is one of the things Somerby used to disparage, when he was interested in chastising liberals for thinking that way about The Others.

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    5. Anonymous on May 7, 2020 at 6:11 PM sez,

      Deadrat, that is too broad a statement to constitute a connection "We're losing all access to logic and fact.”

      OK, so reasonable people can disagree on what constitutes a connection.

      Their side/our side = false equivalence.

      I don’t think so. A false equivalence would be to say that their side is as irrational as our side, to the same degree and in the same way so as to make the sides indistinguishable. I don’t read TDH that way, but maybe you can make the case that I should.

      This is no argument. It is a stew made up of leftovers thrown together with no overall theme, thus it is incoherent.

      It may be no solid argument, but it’s not incoherent. And TDH has been playing this theme for over two decades. You should have been able to pick it up by now, even if you find the tune grating.

      I get that you don’t like TDH’s style, but that really is no argument.

      But you defend Somerby anyway.

      I defend TDH from misrepresentation. Anonymous ignoramuses shouldn’t claim that TDH sees a connection between reported deaths from COVID19 and reported assaults by Reade.

      Just like Anonymous ignoramuses shouldn’t be claiming that TDH is in favor of adults having sex with children because he thinks the reporting on Roy Moore was misguided.

      This kind of thing goes on constantly.

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    6. Deadfat: another boring, stupid post. You're boring and average.

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  6. At yesterday's press briefing, Trump's Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany was explicitly asked whether Trump doubts the death totals. She answered that Trump does NOT question the death totals.

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    1. And we all know that McEnany always tells the truth.

      https://www.axios.com/trump-coronavirus-death-toll-d8ba60a4-316b-4d1e-8595-74970c15fb34.html

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/23/misunderstanding-math-trump-embraced-coronavirus-death-toll-well-soon-surpass/

      https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/05/trump-is-about-to-go-full-coronavirus-death-denier.html

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    2. And as we all know, Trump never ever lies. No, never. Nope.

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    3. Trump contradicts himself almost daily.

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    4. The manufacture of confusion will be a pillar of his re-election campaign.Jay Rosen

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    5. Trump may or may not be lying about what he believes. But, I'd trust is Press Secretary to correctly report what he says he believes over some anonymous sources, who may be lying or misinterpreting some of his comments or who may be relying on second-hand reports of what Trump said.

      Did Chait or Axios ask Trump whether he believed the death count before publishing their articles? Apparently not. That would be proper journalism.

      This illustrates that some allegedly odd Trump behavior is actually just bad journalism.

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    6. Go back and read Chait's story and see whether they state anywhere that Trump's office was asked to comment but didn't reply. If you haven't done that, you cannot accuse them of not asking Trump.

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    7. What comes out of Trump's mouth is a tempest of contradictory self serving bullshit. You can believe he said that to her but it means nothing. Nada. It doesn't mean anything at all if you trust the press secretary. The journalism issue is totally separate.

      What's interesting is February. Why didn't Trump order PPP in February? If Obama left him with an empty cupboard and he was aware of it, according to him, he was simply too busy to do anything about it because of Russiagate and impeachment and being the greatest president of all time with the most accomplishments of all time.

      But he simply couldn't find the time to replace the empty cupboard.

      So in February, impeachment was over, Russiagate was over, the virus had infected our country, he had been warned that pandemic was threatening the country yet he still at that point do not refill the cupboard.

      Why?

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    8. What kept him so busy during the impeachment? He refused to cooperate with the House or even participate in the process. His lawyers had some work to do stonewalling. But what kept him preoccupied?

      Just like his tax returns. OK, he's being audited. So what if he released the returns? The auditors already have everything. How would the release affect things one way or the other?

      Self-serving bullshit all the way down.

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  7. Do I need to repost this? “On our side we’ll believe Tara Reade...”. Bullshit.

    “61% of Democratic voters believe the former VP’s denial after watching video clip”

    https://morningconsult.com/2020/05/04/after-watching-biden-deny-reades-claims-1-in-4-democrats-want-a-different-nominee/

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  8. Joe Biden's goose is cooked.

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  9. There's a very logical reason to be in denial about deaths. They hurt re-election chances. That's about power, not tribalism.

    In fact, individualism is a much more sinister force than tribalism in the US politics. What is the philosophy of the gun lobby? Tobacco lobby? Charter schools? Welfare cuts?

    What The Daily Howler is actually looking at is a breakdown of compassion for others, which is different from tribalism. The source of this is the luxurious lifestyles that a wealthy country affords, so opulent that suffering becomes a myth. You can justify a lot of cruel behavior if you think everyone is faking it.

    When Martin Luther King marched, that was tribalism for the poor. Solidarity with Vietnam was tribal. What is a hedge fund manager and his cronies telling the media? That the powers of reason must prevail over mass hysteria. That's a decidedly anti-tribal stance.

    Why do gender and race keep coming up? Simple. Because the elite don't care. Not because they're tribal but because suffering is a myth. And people do get it confused, that the system hates them personally. It doesn't. Rather, the system accumulates targets over time to preserve this culture of indifference. That women who speak out are crazy, that Black people who speak out are asking for too much sympathy. You see? Too much sympathy is relative to how psychopathic you are.

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  11. From the Political Wire (Taegan Goddard):

    "“Tara Reade, a former Senate staffer who alleged Joe Biden sexually assaulted her 27 years ago, is being represented by a prominent lawyer and political donor to President Trump’s 2016 Republican campaign,” the AP reports."

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