Has Donald J. Trump been setting out bait?

THURSDAY, APRIL 4, 2024

No bait left behind: Has Candidate Donald J. Trump perhaps been using his words?

In Tuesday's speech in Michigan, he began flashing "blood bath" again, deliberately giving the term new, additional weight. 

Along the way, he also offered the statement shown below. He was speaking about two young women who have been murdered by unauthorized or semi-unauthorized migrants:

TRUMP (4/2/24): Just a few weeks ago, I met with the grieving family of Laken Riley. You know Laken, she was incredible. Top of her class. Everything was the top. She was the top of everything. She was incredible. I met the parents, incredible people.

The 22-year-old nursing student in Georgia who was barbarically murdered by an illegal alien animal. 

The Democrats say, "Please don’t call them animals, they're humans."

I said, "No, they’re not humans, they're not humans. They’re animals."

Nancy Pelosi told me that. She said, "Please don't use the word 'animals,' sir, when you're talking about these people. 

I said, "I'll use the word 'animal' because that's what they are."

I'll never forget my vow to her wonderful mother, father and sister, two weeks ago. I said, "I will deliver justice for Laken." 

I said that, and now today, I'm adding something. It's going to be for Laken, and it's also justice for Ruby. 

We're going to deliver justice for Ruby.  We're going to watch what happens with this thug. We're going to watch what happens. And we have all the law enforcement behind. They're going to watch what happens to this thug. He's not going to get away with it.

Trump continued from there. "Ruby" is Ruby Garcia, a young Michigan woman whose murder Trump had already discussed at some length. 

You can watch his entire speech by clicking here. Or you can let a bunch of unimpressive journalists tell you what he said.

We'll start with several observations:

First, we have no idea whether Nancy Pelosi ever said anything like that to Trump. Also, we ourselves don't use the term "animal" to refer to a person. 

(We even complained when mainstream journos aped Jacob Weisberg, who had written that Candidate Gore came across like "some sort of feral animal who had been locked in a small cage" at his first debate with Bill Bradley. We noted that this is one of the ways we can dehumanize the people we choose to oppose.)

For the record, we can even remember when President Obama got criticized for calling some criminals "thugs!" (We wouldn't use that term either.)

That said, several questions arise:

First question: Was Trump saying that all migrants, or perhaps all unauthorized migrants, are "animals?" (And "thugs?") Or was he referring only to those who commit vicious murders?

Second question: Was Trump just setting out bait? Was he again employing language for which he knew he'd be criticized, but doing so in a way where he could claim—where he could fairly reasonably claim—that the liberals and the "fake news" media were misrepresenting his statements again?

Is Candidate Trump clever enough to lay out that kind of bait? We can't answer that question, but if he is, he can be sure of this one fact:

If he lays out such bait for our team to take, there will be No Bait Left Behind!

Uniformly, Trump's remarks have been edited and paraphrased in such a way as to make it sound like he was calling all migrants "animals. As with many things this candidate says, it isn't perfectly clear what precisely he meant. But it certainly isn't clear that he should be represented as having said that.

Was the candidate laying out bait? Surely, he knows the rule by which our blue team proceeds. Also, he's been a con man his entire life. He's much better at playing this game than our unimpressive pseudo-journalists are.

No Bait Left Behind! 

Ever since his early remarks about John McCain, it's been the rule by which our blue team has elected to proceed.

Our team is highly unimpressive, profoundly unskilled. It isn't clear that the candidate isn't beating us at his own game every time!

Final point: As a general matter, speaking up for innocent people who get murdered is extremely good politics. Incredibly, we blues don't seem to understand that fact at this dangerous point in time.

Why not also this: To recall the way that first Gore-Bradley debate was covered, here's the link to the late Eric Boehlert's report for Salon

More precisely, that's the way this debate was covered by the propaganda-inclined mainstream journalists whose assessments, judgments and intentions we unwisely place our trust.


96 comments:

  1. How Trump Could End Democracy - A Step-By-Step Explanation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQk_jEy3HDk

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    1. Trump says members of Jan. 6 Select Committee should go to jail

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsm4UCAOwsw

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    2. ...and yet Trump has said he will pardon the people who participated in the attack on the capitol. Up is down.

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    3. When Trump lied about meeting the family of Ruby Garcia - he never did - was he cleverly setting out some bait?

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  2. "Is Candidate Trump clever enough to lay out that kind of bait?"

    Isn't this what's known as "owning the libs"? It's been going on for years, have you not noticed? It doesn't require any cleverness. It's quite natural, it's the easiest thing in the world.

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    1. But not as easy as getting Trump-loving rubes to believe the 2020 election was stolen.

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    2. Anything that gets libs triggered will do. In your case, it's the 2020 election and the denazification, amiright?

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    3. Yes, Weirdo Mao -- the ease with which you're conned by obvious propaganda is certainly troubling.

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    4. Yes. See: the libs get troubled easily, for no particular reason. And that's when they enter the word-salad phase.

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    5. Yes. See: when Weirdo Mao has no retort, he falls back on accusations of "word salad."

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  3. Trump was apparently referring to immigrants who murder U.S. citizens. But WHY is he doing that . . . repeatedly . . . as part of a presidential campaign. This is more of his race-baiting and fear-mongering -- and dangling the promise of "security" and revenge. And what do you suppose is the effect of this kind of rhetoric on his rabid base? It's no accident that hate crimes increased not long after all of his race-baiting, immigrant-bashing rhetoric in 2016. As has been mentioned many times, immigrants commit LESS crime per capita than U.S. citizens.

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    1. Illegal migrant is a race?

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    2. Try to explain that distinction to Trump's rabid base

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    3. Mke wrote: "Trump was apparently referring to immigrants who murder U.S. citizens."

      Not quite. Trump was referring to illegal immigrants who murder U.S. citizens.

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    4. In several of the cases (such as Laken Riley) and this one with Ruby Garcia, we do not know whether the attacker was legal or not. The killer of Laken was a Venezuelan asylum seeker who had been transported to NYC by one of Abbott's buses. That makes him legal. Garcia's attacker was a former DACA program member who was brought to the
      US as a child. Dreamers have undetermined status. So, it isn't clear whether Trump was correct or not if he was referring to these murderers as illegal.

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    5. Trump was lying about Ruby Garcia’s family:

      How Trump’s story about Ruby Garcia’s family went horribly awry

      https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/shows/maddow/blog/rcna146351

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  4. Splitting hairs and being excessively literal is how Somerby always defends Trump. We all know what Trump is doing. Only Somerby pretends he is not doing it but is instead cleverly laying a trap for Liberals who are the real bigoted people, because they make assumptions that Trump would never ever imply.

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    1. 5:22 - "Somerby always defends Trump"

      Somerby - Trump's "been a con man his entire life."

      Some defense!

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    2. Really pp? Then why was Somerby so convinced that Trump really believed he had won in 2020? Something doesn’t add up in Somerby’s views about Trump.

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    3. And yet here is Somerby today, arguing that Trump is baiting liberals because he calls migrants "animals" but doesn't actually mean it (he is really only referring to the murderous migrants).

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    4. Anonymouse 6:48pm, Bob has made the distinction between telling a lie from saying something that you believe to be true, but is inaccurate or false.

      I don’t remember Somerby ever applying that distinction to Trump’s claim about 2020.

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    5. Go back and check. Somerby did suggest that Trump thought he had really won.

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    6. Cecelia, this has been discussed before. Here is Somerby clearly promoting the idea that Trump might really believe he won:

      “Millions of people do believe that last November's election was stolen. When they make this assertion, they aren't "lying," and their statement isn't a "lie."
      Is it possible that Donald J. Trump is crazy enough to believe this unfounded claim? At the top of our mainstream press, the guild has explicitly refused to consider such possibilities.”

      http://dailyhowler.blogspot.com/2021/02/times-says-lie-post-says-false-belief.html?m=0

      It’s difficult to imagine Somerby chastising the press if he weren’t seriously weighing the idea that Trump was that crazy. Now put that up against today’s assertio that Trump has always been a con man. I’m saying it’s so inconsistent it’s bizarre.

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    7. Anonymouse 7:31pm, Bob has argued that many regular citizens devoutly believe that the 2020 election was stolen and has made the distinction between lying and believing something fallacious.

      What Bob says Trump may believe he won because he is freaking mentally ill. Bob has advocated for a public discussion in the media about Trump being freaking mentally ill.

      You don’t see a difference there?

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    8. By the way you can be mentally ill and be a con man sociopath. A discussion like this helps Biden.

      It’s inexplicable why you try to suggest that this let’s Trump off the hook, other than it’s the usual business of anonymices countering Bob regardless of his stance,

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    9. I don’t think Somerby believes anything he says about Trump. Somerby is following orders.

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    10. Anonymouse 7:49pm, probably from Dennis Prager.

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    11. Cecelia is saying that Bob was upset that the press never discussed the possibility that Trump was mentally ill (this was, coincidentally, when trump was being accused of trying to illegally stay in power), but also Trump has always been a con man (something Somerby didn’t remotely suggest back in 2020/2021). One definitive thing Somerby did say: he pitied Trump. (Why? Would you pity a con man?) Is Somerby saying he pities Trump now? No, he is imputing cleverly laid traps to the con man. It’s all bullshit.

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    12. Anonymouse 7:55pm, how can someone actually pity a con man or even a killer? Let the narrative be that they were a victim of a nonwhite skin color or of poverty. You’ll loudly pity them when it’s has become a partisan political matter in the media.

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    13. Republicans no more think the 2020 election was stolen than they think Trump has solutions to the border "crisis", they don't really care about.

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    14. Cecelia's logical fallacies have been exposed, yet Cecelia still clings to their debunked nonsense.

      There is little point in engaging with such people.

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    15. So don’t engage with Cecelia. She’s mine.

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  5. What I don't get is why Somerby is playing this game, when he is supposedly one of us.

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  6. Here is what it looks like when an actual media critic explores the topic of ragebait:

    https://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2024/04/conservative-ragebait-vs-liberal-lack.html

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    1. The mainstream downplays stories about corrupt Democratic pols and Fox gives such stories extra attention.

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    2. Hmm. Does Fox downplay or even disappear stories about corrupt Republican pols? Do they actually care about corruption?

      By the way, the blog post referred to makes it clear that right wingers are enraged about a mayor of a small town whose population is 21,000. Is this mayor supposed to simply represent your average democratic pol?

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    3. DiC: Like the way they "downplayed" Menendez?

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    4. Good point, David.
      No need to count the incessant questions about Hillary's supposed corruption as a case of the media downplaying corrupt Democratic pols, since Hillary isn't in any way a corrupt Democratic pol.

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  7. Checked out the above link (thanks), and came across this spot-on post:

    In case it wasn't obvious, Politico points out that there's a pattern to Donald Trump's defiance of the courts:
    Every time prosecutors and judges tried to muzzle Donald Trump, he lashed out at their families.

    In three different court cases over the past six months, judges imposed gag orders that restrained the former president from vilifying witnesses, court employees and others involved in the proceedings against him. In each case, Trump responded by verbally attacking not only the prosecutors and judges themselves, but also their family members....

    In all three cases, Trump exploited the fact that the versions of the gag orders in effect at the time did not explicitly bar him from attacking the relatives of judges or prosecutors.
    A former Trump insider weighs in:
    “It’s clearly strategic,” said Ty Cobb, who served as a White House lawyer under Trump but has become a frequent critic of the former president.

    “It’s clearly strategic.” Gee, ya think?

    Rolling Stone tells us that Trump has gamed this out (free link here):

    According to two people who have recently spoken to Trump about the upcoming criminal trial, one of the reasons the presumptive 2024 Republican presidential nominee is convinced he can get away with attacking Merchan’s daughter without punishment is because, as he’s privately boasted, he has tested judges and prosecutors on gag orders before — without any serious repercussions.

    This included a time late last year when Judge Arthur Engoron threatened Trump with a possible night in jail for his behavior during his New York civil fraud trial. Every time, Trump has gotten away with it. So far, judges have not moved to rein in or punish Trump the way they would with virtually any other U.S. citizen, had they behaved in the same manner that the ex-president has.
    I know I'm supposed to believe that Trump is sliding rapidly into dementia, but this is clearly strategic, and Trump's assessment of the situation is clearly correct -- he can keep getting away with this, because no one has the backbone to hold him accountable.

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    1. Trump's gag order now extends to the judge's family, but he has responded by posting a video that attacks the judge's daughter.

      Trump violates his gag order this morning by posting a clip of Brian Kilmeade repeating the same fake story about a fake social media account supposedly from the judge’s daughter that led to the gag order being extended. pic.twitter.com/tp298VoKan

      — Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) April 2, 2024

      Trump is an ignorant, incurious mental lightweight whose intellectual interests extend no further than golf, gossip, and probably porn. He knows nothing about history, geopolitics, or governance. He cares about nothing except his own ego and his own resentments. And yet...

      He has the wiles -- the low cunning -- necessary to understand this situation and how he can take advantage of it. He knows that the system is afraid of him and his voter base. He recognizes that the system proceeds slowly and cautiously. He's noticed that the system doesn't like to jail old white guys in expensive suits even when they clearly deserve it, and demonstrates this reluctance even when they're not backed by a nationwide army of rage addicts with AR-15s.

      So he knows he can get away with this, and he knows that this will make his base willing to crawl over ground glass to vote for him in November, while not alienating right-centrist Republican voters who resist joining the MAGA army. He's also learned messaging lessons from the main tribal drum of the right-wing media, Fox News, which was created by Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdoch -- two men who, like him, were successful but deeply resentful of the swells they didn't believe showed them sufficient respect, and who built the channel on a foundation of their own resentments. He understands that if you whine and bitch about how you're perscuted by liberals, Republican voters will fall on their knees before you ... especially if you often seem to beat the hated libs at their own game, or even temporarily defy them, because that's the dream right-wing voters want to experience vicariously every day of their lives.

      Trump's brain may be tiny, but he understands how this all works. It's intelligence of a kind, and he's still got it. When he no longer has the skill to be the charismatic school brat rallying his classmates by flipping the bird to the teacher as he's marched to the principal's office, we'll know his brain is fried. It isn't fried yet. https://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2024/04/this-is-how-we-know-that-trump-isnt.html

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  8. Notably absent from Somerby’s recent posts about Trump is any mention of Trump’s (purported) mental illness.

    “ he's been a con man his entire life”

    Surely that includes his pretending that he won in 2020? Remember Somerby’s fervent assertions that Trump sounded very much like someone who really believed he had won. I guess he conned Somerby. Huh.

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  9. Should people who behave in non-human ways be called non-human? Should they be treated like other humans? This question speaks to the death penalty. Do people who don't meet the minimum standards of human behavior deserve yo be kept alive? If so, why?

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    1. How can a human being behave in a non-human way? Like it or not, human beings do all kinds of horrible things, including murder. Calling people accused of murder who have not yet been convicted “subhuman” or “nonhuman” promotes the idea that they do not deserve even a trial. You simply eradicate non-humans with no compunctions.

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    2. The point of a trial is to determine what happened. We can't know whether or not someone did something horrible. So, everyone needs a trial. The top Nazis after WW2 had a trial.

      Now, should we have compunctions about executing people responsible for the Holocaust? Should we have spent money to keep them alive? Keeping a prisoner today costs around $100,000 per year. That money could be spent on education or on medical care or for helping needy.

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    3. You didn’t address the reason a civilized society does not refer to human beings as subhuman animals.

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    4. Three reasons:
      1. Some people don't deserve to be considered human, because their behavior is so heinous.
      2. Referring to such people as human encourages society to keep them alive. But, there's no reason to keep certain people alive. The money used for that purpose could be used in better ways.
      3. Exaggerating the evil of certain illegal immigrants encourages us to focus on legal immigrants --people who are vetted -- and minimize unvetted illegal immigrants
      YMMV

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    5. You sound like a horrible person.

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    6. 7:56 Do you really support Adolf Eichmann's right to be called "human"? Why? What do we gain by doing so?

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    7. David, I think calling killers animals lets our species off the hook and it’s an insult to animals.

      Society keeps these people alive because we don’t want killing in any context other than self-defense.

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    8. Anonymouse 7:34pm, what about MAGAT which is a play on the term maggot.

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    9. Some people may say he has a right to be called a human because he is a bipedal primate mammal. They may further note that saying some groups don't deserve to be considered human recalls historical events and conflicts, where groups have depicted others as subhuman to justify inhumane treatment or violence against them.

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    10. David 6:56

      The term "non-human behavior" is not clearly defined, making it a conceptual ambiguity. (Human behavior can be unacceptable or even monstrous by societal standards.) The notion of "minimum standards of human behavior" is subjective. If a definition for what is the minimum standard of human behavior could be established and agreed upon, someone who has not met these standards may deserve to be kept alive for many reasons including the inherent value of human life and the potential for rehabilitation, transformation, and redemption.

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    11. David, I appreciate your willingness to share your thoughts, and I understand this is a complex issue. However, I must admit, some of the viewpoints you've shared challenge my values in ways I find difficult to reconcile.

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    12. Bibi Netanyahu is an animal.

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    13. I am not a human; I am a shape-shifting alien reptiloid.

      Take me to your leader. A cognitive one, if possible.

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    14. I think you're a depraved human being, David.

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    15. David is ignitive.

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  10. Coming in today is news on Bob’s old friends The Crumblys, who Bob expressed great compassion for, perhaps because they are Trump fans.
    Found guilty of manslaughter and about to be sentenced, apparently Mr. Crumbly has threatened to kill the Prosecutor while in lock up.
    Bob expressed the same compassion for the families of the four young people the Crumblys got killed as he has for the dozens of people Trump has cheated and abused over the years. The same compassion he has shown for the people injured and terrified on Jan 6.
    That would be zero.

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  11. “ we ourselves don't use the term "animal" to refer to a person. ”

    Would be nice if Somerby would go down this road, rather than accusing liberals of falling for Trump’s purportedly cleverly laid traps.

    At some point, you are faced with Trump’s demagoguery on immigration, where he routinely fails to assert that some of them are good people, accidentally on purpose.

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    1. Isn't it demagoguery to call illegal border-crossing "immigration"?

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    2. No more demagoguery than referring to the treatment of women as 2nd class citizens being called "pro-life".

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    3. To call anti-abortion sentiment "the treatment of women" is also demagoguery.

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    4. No. It isn't demagoguery. Di you really think there is something else in play in the anti-abortion movement other than making sure women know their place?
      If so, what do you suppose it might be?

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    5. I think you DNC bots are one unbeatable pro-abortion argument, I'll give you that. But then yo momma did neglect to abort you, so alas there's no guarantee.

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    6. The abortion argument really does expose the Right's ranting about "freedom" as nothing but bullshit. You're correct about that.

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    7. Anonymouse 9:20am, men have babies too.

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    8. 9:25,
      I think the DNC has an unbeatable "the Republican nominee is a rapist" argument too.

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    9. @9:47 AM,
      You're as brilliant as my beloved Joe.

      I am Corby.

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    10. Men with babies are called fathers.

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    11. Anonymouse 10:09, that’s what the Child Support Enforcement people call them too.

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    12. Someone explain to Cecelia that there are many ways to become a parent.

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    13. 9:54 is fake.

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  12. I would like to see the full quote Bob uses to compare Obama to Trump, one can assume the level of fairness Bob brings to that equation.
    Trump was very clear about how he feels it is proper to call these people animals. As he has doubled down on poisoning the blood, and every other rotten thing he ever
    said. Only a truly ludicrous, hateful person like Bob makes
    excuses for such ugly nonsense.

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  13. Off Topic -- Biden drained the Strategic Petroleum Reserve simply to help his campaign, even though doing so hurt the United States. By doing so, he left the country at greater risk when a true emergency occurs. Note that he broke his promise to re-fill it.

    After Draining Strategic Petroleum Reserve to Lowest Level in 40 Years, Biden CANCELS Plan to Refill it Because Oil is “Way Too Expensive”
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/04/breaking-after-draining-strategic-petroleum-reserve-lowest-level/

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    1. Holy heck! It's jim Hoft's site. It's hardly sporting to even bother to refute it.

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    2. The coverage of this story illustrates why we should all read both conservative and liberal news sites. This is an important story. It reflects badly on Biden, so liberal sites downplay or ignore it while conservative sites give it prominent coverage.

      I don't know who Jim Hoft is, but he deserves praise for this story, since his particular report is accurate. OTOH the story is not shown on the New York Times site. So, on this particular story, Jim Hoft was superior to the New York Times.

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    3. "Simply to help his Campaign." Sounds like you have some real objective reporting there Dave/ Flake off.

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    4. @8:56 what was the emergency that demanded draining the Oil Reserve in 2022? Were we at war? Was the country in a depression? No. The only purpose was to temporarily bring down the cost of oil before the 2024 election.

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    5. They canceled this month's purchase of 3 million barrels--less than 1% of the current reserve. They bought a similar amount last month and have increased the amount of oil in the reserve by 17 million barrels since the 2022 sale. That sale, you'll recall, was precipitated by Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

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    6. David,
      Biden did something about gas price inflation just to win votes. Pretty diabolical for a sleepy old guy, huh?

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    7. @DiC:

      "this story illustrates why we should all read both conservative and liberal news sites"

      This story is stenography. RNC Research put out the original "story"--with all its distortions. Fox picked it up from them and Hoft added his typical nutso spin..

      There's a reason you only see this story at these specific "news" sites.

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    8. "I don't know who Jim Hoft is, but he deserves praise for this story, since his particular report is accurate."

      *chef's kiss*

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    9. Leave it to fucking Joe Biden to believe the Right was being serious when they bitched about inflation/ gas prices.
      Pro tip for Joe Biden: The Right only cares about bigotry and white supremacy. The rest is hot air, they heard Hannity say.

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    10. If you really don't know who Hoft is, try a Google search for "dumbest man on the internet"

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    11. Jim Hoft = Gateway Pundit

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    12. I’m glad Biden is astute enough to use petroleum to his advantage. Thank God for sending such a cognitive leader to rule over America.

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    13. Yes, my beloved Joe is brilliant.

      I am Corby.

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  14. Leave it to DIC to cite a right wing outlet as a reputable news source that uses the term "Biden crime family" in the context of an oil reserve story. The idea that you do not buy a commodity when it is overpriced using taxpayer money is vexing to these clowns. US oil production is the highest ever and continues to rise with the expectation that production will reach 14 million barrels a day by the end of this year.

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    1. The mainstream media downplays the economic ignorance of Republicans, just as they downplay that the Republican Party is a criminal enterprise.

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    2. The oil reserves are at around 315 million barrels down from 600 million, which were depleted at the start of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. A war that the Republicans under the control of Trump have appear to have bailed on. You know, the invasion Trump called brilliant .What does this clown Hoft and his web site have to say about a party that is a proxy, ultimately, for Putin?

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    3. @9:30 AM
      I don't know if Hoft is a clown, but you certainly are.

      PS. I see now that Hoft is one of the plaintiffs in the lawsuit against your bosses censorship activities. That certainly makes him an upstanding citizen.

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    4. That should go well. But thanks for adding some content to your name-calling comment. If you are following Hoft and his legal activities and don't know that he's not a clown, maybe there's hope for you. But doubtful.

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    5. Hoft is a clown.

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