MADNESS: When we're gripped by the soul of the propagandist...

TUESDAY, APRIL 9, 2024

...are we gripped by a form of madness? In one of Shakespeare's best-known works, a midsummer dream state—a possible near cousin to madness—seems to command the stage.

We'll let the leading authority set the scene, including some modern analysis:

A Midsummer Night's Dream is a comedy play written by William Shakespeare in about 1595 or 1596. The play is set in Athens, and consists of several subplots that revolve around the marriage of Theseus and Hippolyta. 

One subplot involves a conflict among four Athenian lovers. Another follows a group of six amateur actors rehearsing the play which they are to perform before the wedding. Both groups find themselves in a forest inhabited by fairies who manipulate the humans and are engaged in their own domestic intrigue. A Midsummer Night's Dream is considered one of Shakespeare's most popular and widely performed plays.

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Some of the interpretations of the play have been based on psychology and its diverse theories. In 1972, Alex Aronson argued that Theseus represents the conscious mind and Puck represents the unconscious mind. Puck, in this view, is a guise of the unconscious as a trickster, while remaining subservient to Oberon...In 1973, Melvin Goldstein argued that the lovers cannot simply return to Athens and wed. First, they have to pass through stages of madness (multiple disguises) and discover their "authentic sexual selves."

It's even set in Athens! That said, you have to go way down the page to find that single reference to madness, along with the suggestion that the lovers in question have to find a way to discover their authentic selves.

Earlier—much, much earlier—King Agamemnon, lord of men, had confessed to more than nine years of madness, tears streaming down his face, in the pages of the western world's earliest extant poem of war. For ourselves, we've begun to see near cousins to something like madness whenever our dueling American nations' "cable news" channels appear our TV screen.

Briefly, let's be fair:

As we noted yesterday, there has been a fair amount of the crazy in the politics of our flailing nation over the past many years. 

As we noted yesterday, Candidate Ross Perot puckishly adopted Crazy as his campaign's theme song at the end of the 1992 White House race. That selection involved a tad of Shakespearean whimsy—but decades earlier, President Richard M. Nixon, who "had already been drinking," had knelt in prayer with Henry Kissinger in the Lincoln Sitting Room in the White House and had "punched the floor and sobbed."

Or so it said in The Final Days, with sourcing for these claims undisclosed. So the Washington Post reported again, last fall, under this banner head:

Kissinger held a sobbing Nixon just before the president resigned

Assuming it actually happened, that was an American lord of men, possibly with a bit of clinical "madness" involved. Meanwhile, in the wider realm, were forms of madness perhaps involved in the years which followed, when children's faces appeared on milk cartons and some very disordered preschool sexual abuse cases sent innocent people to prison and drove the nation wild?

All in all, forms of madness may be where you want to find them! Was it something like a form of madness when the mainstream press corps spent several years examining Candidate Gore's troubling clothes? 

Some of the commentary was flatly insane, if only in the colloquial sense. Was it a form of madness when no member of the upper-end mainstream press was willing to stand up and speak?

Also, was this episode driven by a form of madness? Is it possible that a clinical "madness" may yet lurk within this ongoing episode?

In 2017, a Yale psychiatrist named (Dr.) Bandy X. Lee edited a book which became a New York Times best-seller, even as it was being disappeared by the Times and all other such orgs. 

The book went medically literal on the concept of "madness." The leading authority on the matter starts to offer the background:

In 2017, [Dr.] Lee organized a conference at Yale on the mental health of Donald Trump with the participation of other psychiatrists including Robert Jay Lifton and Judith Lewis Herman. Following the conference, in March 2017, the American Psychiatric Association released a statement reaffirming the Goldwater rule that restricts comments related to the mental health of public figures without their consent or evaluation. Lee characterized the statement as silencing concerns raised by psychiatrists about the Trump presidency.

Lee reconvened the conference the following month, and later in the year edited The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump, a collection of essays warning about the dangers of Trump's mental instability that became a New York Times bestseller. It was reported that White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly secretly consulted the book as a guide for dealing with Trump. 

So it was reported! In its original form, the book's full title ran like this: The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President. The leading authority offers a fuller profile:

The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump is a 2017 book edited by Bandy X. Lee, a forensic psychiatrist, containing essays from 27 psychiatrists, psychologists, and other mental health professionals describing the "clear and present danger" that US President Donald Trump's mental health poses to the "nation and individual well being." A second edition updated and expanded the book with additional essays. Lee maintains that the book remains strictly a public service, and all royalties were donated to the public good to remove any conflict of interest.

Synopsis

Authors argue that the President's mental health was affecting the mental health of the people of the United States and that he places the country at grave risk of involving it in a war, and of undermining democracy itself due to his dangerous pathology.

Consequently, the authors claim, Trump's presidency represents an emergency which not only allows, but requires psychiatrists in the United States to raise alarms. 

For the record, these psychiatrists and mental health professionals were alleging literal, clinical (severe) mental illness—a tragic, clinical form of what may get described as "madness" in more colloquial contexts. 

In the second edition of Dr. Lee's book, thirty-seven medical specialists offered such claims about the president's mental health. Was it something like a form of madness when major news orgs agreed that their work couldn't be discussed? Or was that a sound journalistic decision—a recognition of the fact that our American discourse lacks the maturity which would be needed to handle some such discussion within the context of major party politics?

At any rate, we've come a long way, Americas!  We've moved from the candidate whose puckish theme song was Crazy to the disappearing of a major best-selling book by acknowledged medical specialists. 

Fuller disclosure! In a few of Blue America's news orgs, claims that Candidate Trump is a "sociopath" have begun to be permitted of late. Just yesterday afternoon, for better or worse, Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-Va.), a perfectly sensible person, was permitted to make that claim, with no pushback offered, on MSNBC's Deadline: White House.

(This very morning, on Fox & Friends, we saw TikTok tape of an overwrought actress accusing Candidate Trump of "mental illness." The friend who presented the tape quickly said that the actress has mental health issues. There was little sense that anyone on this Red American program had ever heard that there was any conceivable issue involving the candidate's possible mental health.)

Was what we saw on last evening Gutfeld! also a form of madness? We'll detail some of what we saw in this afternoon's post. For now, we'll offer this:

What we saw was a master class in the deeply dumbnifying consequences of "segregation by viewpoint." 

What we saw on last night's Gutfeld! was often deeply "stupid"—of that there could be little doubt. But in its basic structure, was it also something like a form of madness? Were the fairies dancing in the forest surrounding a Red American Athens as this "news" program wore on?

Larger question:

Is our current journalistic arrangement something like a form of madness? We refer to the arrangement in which pundits from Red America speak only to others from Red America, while pundits from Blue America speak only to fellow Blues.

(Standard response to every assertion: "That's exactly right!")

We refer to the arrangement in which these journalistic cadres sift facts and topics and videotape to provide reinforcement and pleasure to each of our two Americas—to Red America and to Blue. Is this hardening corporate arrangement a bit madness-adjacent too?

People who live in Blue America see videotape of police officers being beaten on January 6. People who live in Blue America are never asked to view videotape from that day, unless Tucker Carlson has clipped it. 

Instead, people who live in Red America are shown videotape of migrants streaming across the southern border—videotape which was only offered to Blue America when 60 Minutes finally bit the bullet roughly one month ago.

Is it a form of madness to construct our "national" discourse this way? Are we letting the fairies dance in our heads as we watch our carefully sifted "news shows," even as fairies dance in the dreamscapes in our heads each night when we've gone to sleep?

If so, this is more than a midsummer dream. This is now the way we construct our non-discussion discussions all through midwinter, the spring and the fall. 

Is it madness when the people we've come to trust go on the air and con us this way? We'll grant you that it's good for ratings, for profits and for salaries. But does it start to resemble a form of madness as well?

Just for the record, we the humans actually aren't "the rational animal!" And you can forget about Freud and Darwin! Writing for the New York Times, here's the way Professor Horwich summarized the work of the man who was selected, in several major surveys of academics, as the most important philosopher of the 20th century:

Wittgenstein claims that there are no realms of phenomena whose study is the special business of a philosopher, and about which he or she should devise profound a priori theories and sophisticated supporting arguments. There are no startling discoveries to be made of facts, not open to the methods of science, yet accessible “from the armchair” through some blend of intuition, pure reason and conceptual analysis. Indeed the whole idea of a subject that could yield such results is based on confusion and wishful thinking.

This attitude is in stark opposition to the traditional view, which continues to prevail. Philosophy is respected, even exalted, for its promise to provide fundamental insights into the human condition and the ultimate character of the universe, leading to vital conclusions about how we are to arrange our lives. It’s taken for granted that there is deep understanding to be obtained...

If so, then we are duped and bound to be disappointed, says Wittgenstein. For these are mere pseudo-problems, the misbegotten products of linguistic illusion and muddled thinking. 

That's the way Professor Horwich limned the later Wittgenstein's poorly formed but important work—correctly, we'd be inclined to say. At the highest levels of alleged academic distinction, it's been "linguistic illusion and muddled thinking" all the way down! 

(Just as every college freshman in history has always guessed!)

According to Horwich on Wittgenstein, that's the way it has worked at the very top of the pile! To that, we now add the tribal pleasures provided by the sifting of information, viewpoints and videotape as the "democratization of media" destructively rolls along. Are we happily locked in a form of madness, Blue World as well as Red? 

Wherever President Roosevelt looked in the 1930s, he saw a nation ill-clothed and ill-fed.

Wherever we look today, we see that modern form of sifting of viewpoint, insult and fact. Also, we see what we saw last night on the Gutfeld! clown show.

When we see this type of sifting, it seems to us that we as a nation have been gripped by the soul of the propagandist. When we succumb to that ancient impulse—when we sign on to be a Trojan, or perhaps to be an Achaean—have we perhaps succumbed to a modern form of something resembling madness? Also, can some such "people" survive?

We'll borrow from Melvin Goldstein! Like the lovers in the forest, do we need to find our authentic selves? Will we "have to pass through stages of madness" before we can dream of the (fat chance) possibility of emerging, somewhat sanely, on the other side?

Gutfeld! excerpts will follow today. Tomorrow, what you were told in the New York Post as opposed to the New York Times.

(Do you know whose version was more instructive? We'll acknowledge it right here—we don't!)

Tomorrow: The dangerous case of the $93 million


97 comments:

  1. Why is Somerby so preoccupied with madness?

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    1. Because he is ignorant of behavioral science and instead relies on stories and outdated philosophers for understanding human nature, which is why he so thoroughly misunderstands human nature.

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    2. Athena understood human nature without ever studying modern science.

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    3. Athena never existed.

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    4. Athena lived from about 1500 BCE to about 1000 CE. She expected to live forever, but that didn’t happen.

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  2. This is what Trump's reelection campaign is about:

    https://digbysblog.net/2024/04/08/the-brilliant-right-wing-ukraine-plan/

    This is where Trump and RFK Jr. and MTG all intersect.

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    1. Russia, Russia, Russia. Also too Jill Stein and Mike Flynn.

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    2. You left out Cornell West.

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    3. All funded by Russia via Iran and Qatar through Truth Social. West's real name is Boris, as determined by behavioral science.

      My finger smells funny. I am Corby.

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  3. Isn't it curious that a madman manages the country much better than perfectly normal shape-shifting alien reptiloids?

    Massively improves the economy, doesn't start any wars. There's something about being an earthling, I guess.

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    1. What I find fascinating, is people who think the Republican Party isn't just a shit pile of bigots.

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    2. 10:37,
      Even more curious, is it's a guy who was a complete and total failure as a businessman.
      BTW, of Trump's many bankruptcies, which is your favorite, and why?

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    3. @11:12 -- one should measure people's record by their successes, not their failures. Otherwise, President Lincoln would be regarded as a failure. E.g., see list of Abraham Lincoln failures https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/upload/c_fill,g_auto,h_1248,w_2220/v1555928456/shape/mentalfloss/lincolns_failures_sm_6.jpg?itok=Hojmqx2X

      People who attempt a number of difficult things will inevitably fail at some of them. People who attempt nothing will never fail.

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    4. We're supposed to accept the random list of a site called "mental floss" and not the judgment of historians about Lincoln's performance?

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    5. Trump's many failures are manifest. He couldn't get into college without having someone takes his tests for him (and his daddy buy his way in). He had to buy a wife from Eastern Europe (multiple times). He couldn't stay married. And that's just on the personal level -- the man cannot read. His own relatives hate him (where are Jared and Ivanka these days?). He has to cheat to win a trophy at golf. Lincoln had none of those problems.

      Pathetic.

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    6. Trump failed at nearly all his businesses, even after being handed $500 million from his dad, who ignored the younger Trump in his youth other than to indoctrinate him with bigotry, thus traumatizing Trump and creating the tragic and wounded lost person we now have to deal with.

      The best way to deal with Trump is to hold him accountable for his crimes and corruption.

      Trump is one of our worst presidents, completely mismanaging our economy, our foreign affairs, and our public health; Trump's actions directly lead to the unnecessary deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans.

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    7. David thinks he can build up Trump by diminishing Lincoln. That's how right wingers repair their self esteem.

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    8. I keep posting this comment: The best way to guess how Biden or Trump will govern as President is how they governed as President. In the case of Trump, that was mixed. Wild statements. Policies within the range of normal. Big tariffs. Big deficits. Regulatory relief. Incredible peace agreement in the Middle East

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    9. I love it when DNC's trained monkeys get envious.

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    10. Incredible peace agreement in the Middle East

      Between countries that weren't at war. You're an incredible ass, Dickhead in Cal. How's that "peace" holding up, dickhead?

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    11. Lincoln was a man who took responsibility for his own failures. Trump is an adolescent punk whiny ass crybaby who blames all his failures on others. Trump will never be a man.

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    12. Yes, @1:09, the Abraham Accords are holding up despite the war in Gaza. One enormous achievement of the Trump Administration was getting people to recognize and accept the middle east peace could be achieved without first solving the Palestinian problem.

      Good point, @1:11. I didn't mean to imply that Trump in any way measures up to Lincoln as a human being.

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    13. @12:12 - You're presenting obsolete talking points. Trump's current net worth of several billion dollars far exceeds the $500 million Trump got from his father.

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    14. Trump -9 million jobs. Biden +15 million jobs.

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    15. What did you mean to imply, Dickhead in Cal? You would have to be a fucking cretin to ever consider handing power to that adolescent lying sack of shit who is promising to weaponize to DOJ to punish his perceived enemies, you fucking moron.

      leaving the Palestinians out of the peace process really worked out well, didn't it, Dickhead in Cal? I understand the idiot son--in-law is planning on turning Gaza into a resort.

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    16. wiki says, "As part of the two agreements, both the UAE and Bahrain recognized Israel's sovereignty, enabling the establishment of full diplomatic relations. Israel's initial agreement with the UAE marked the first instance of Israel establishing diplomatic relations with an Arab country since 1994, when the Israel–Jordan peace treaty came into effect.[6] The agreements were named "Abraham Accords" to highlight the common belief of Judaism and Islam in the prophet Abraham.[7][8]

      On October 23, 2020, Israel and Sudan agreed to normalize ties; the agreement is unratified as of 2024.[9] As part of the agreement, the US removed Sudan from its list of state sponsors of terrorism and giving it a US$1.2 billion loan.[10] On January 6, 2021, the government of Sudan signed the "Abraham Accords Declaration" in Khartoum.[11] On December 22, 2020, the Israel–Morocco normalization agreement was signed."

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    17. UAE gifted Jared over $300 million.

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    18. Right DIC, Trump has so much money he needs a bond to cover his bail. He needs your donations to pay his lawyers. Dude is oozing with money.

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    19. I'm making big bucks as a DNC bot. Working from home! Flexible hours! Life's good!
      I am Xorby.

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    20. David in Cal sounds like an RNC/Trump bot. How much money do you think he’s making to post his fact free right wing stuff, 3:03?

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    21. "Massively improves the economy, doesn't start any wars." That makes for a nice bumper sticker. Of course, it would never hold up under any real scrutiny. Just for starters:  Trump supporters focus only on the first three years of the Trump economy. I hate to break it to you, but the 2020 economic disaster happened during Trump's presidency. And while Trump can't be blamed for Covid itself, he can be blamed for his poor handling of it. Also, during every presidency, there are always events outside of the president's control that impact the economy. (Obama had to deal with the fallout from the sup-prime mortgage crisis.) The president still largely gets blamed if the impact is negative. When there's a Democratic president, your side blames any negative economic news on the president, regardless of external factors that might be to blame. Biden gets blamed for the high inflation we experienced until recently, even though the ultimate cause of that inflation was the aftereffects of Covid. If you blame Biden for high inflation, then to be consistent you have to blame Trump for the disastrous 2020 economy. If you don't blame Trump for 2020, then you can't blame Biden for high inflation. Incidentally, either way, under Biden the U.S. was able to curb inflation faster than other economically developed countries (which also had high inflation due to Covid), while also maintaining much lower levels of unemployment and higher wage growth.

      BUT . . . even if we limit the focus to just Trump's first three years (pre-Covid), it's not as simple as "massively improves the economy." Trump inherited a strong economy from Obama. Trends started under Obama simply continued under Trump. How much of Trump's pre-Covid economy was actually due to anything special Trump did and how much was it due to other factors? Trump's signature economic policy was a tax cut (signed into law during his first year, 2017) that mostly benefited the wealthy and corporations. This tax cut didn't take effect until January 2018, and yet the economy was strong all throughout 2017, showing that Trump's main economic policy likely had very little if anything to do with the strong pre-Covid economy. And btw, that tax cut added about $2 trillion to the national debt. It also would have happened under ANY Republican president. So you could have gotten your tax cuts for the wealthy without all of Trump's baggage -- you know, like his attempt to destroy American democracy.
      BUT . . . even if we set aside the 2020 economic disaster, PLUS we set aside the fact that Trump likely had little to do with the strong pre-Covid economy, Biden STILL comes out on top:  lower unemployment, greater job growth, new record highs in the stock market, while many other economic measures are similar to Trump's (GDP, wage growth).
      "Doesn't start any wars." If that's your only (oversimplified) standard, then Biden is just as good as Trump. Biden hasn't started any wars either. And he actually got us out of our longest war. However, more generally, Trump's foreign policy is considered by most experts to be a complete disaster -- undermining our democratic allies while bolstering our authoritarian enemies, abandoning our Kurdish allies in Syria, reneging on the Iran nuclear deal, and undermining our intelligence agencies (regarding which: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/18/us-intelligence-trump-putin-threat).

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    22. Trump's economy was heading south pre-covid. Trump the "peace guy" unleashed the drones on the blah's.

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    23. It's always amusing when DiC posts a list of Trump's accomplishments as president, he always forgets to include Trump's signature accomplishment, the Crown Jewel of the Trump presidency. Which is of course packing the supreme court with christo-fascists who lied to the Senate during their confirmation, and proceeded to overturn Roe the first chance they got.

      Donald J Trump just took a giant shit on the women of Arizona.

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  4. If Biden seems sane and normal and Trump does not, then I recommend following your instincts and voting for Biden for president.

    Do you think it is normal to compare modern politics to Ancient Troy and obsess over Homer day after day? I don't.

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  5. I repented all day yesterday and the eclipse still occurred. I guess it wasn't my sins producing the alignment of the heavens. Who knew?

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    1. Lol. To think we have people in government who actually believe shit like that.

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  6. I don't have to be told anything by propagandists to know who I should vote for. Hint: It isn't Trump or anyone with an R after their name.

    Buy your popcorn early. The Trump shit show starts on Monday. We will finally get to see Stormy Daniels get revenge on the man with the golden toilets who can't manage to pay his contractors or suppliers or anyone else who helps him out, including his colleagues at Truth Social. It is time for Trump to learn that his is not a sustainable lifestyle.

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    1. This all really boils down to Trump has a undersized penis, in contrast to Hunter's well-sized penis.

      The red tribe is engorged with insecure men worried about their underwhelming penis size.

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    2. I am dreaming of Hunter's well-sized penis, day and night. While spamming Somerby's blog.

      I am Corby.

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  7. Blue World is just fine, Somerby. Red World, not so much.

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    1. NBC News polls show Trump leading Biden 58-49 with votes under 30 years old.

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    2. Too bad young people don't vote.

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  8. "It makes sense that A Midsummer Night's Dream is Shakespeare's most popular play, at least in this decade. Most of its humor is physical, and its lyrical comedy is timely (i.e., “How low am I, thou painted maypole?” always gets an “ooooh” from audiences). Actors may disagree with my next assessment, but it seems to me that A Midsummer Night's Dream is an easy play to stage, with easily defined characters—simple handymen, young lovers, and fairies—and an audience-friendly plot with a lot of leeway for staging its comic set pieces (many directors I'm certain will disagree with this assessment, given the number of productions I've seen trying to turn the play into serious drama). It's the kind of play that companies of all different sizes, production capabilities, and talent levels can mount and leave audiences laughing to tears."

    https://www.shakespeareances.com/dialogues/commentary/Bard_Board_Popularity-171012.html

    None of these reasons for the popularity of the play have anything to do with Somerby or his motives here. I doubt Shakespeare would have wanted himself or his work to be used in service of Somerby's disinformation and general crap as he tries to get Donald Trump reelected.

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  9. Many years ago, at the Oregon Shakespeare Festival, I saw a performance of this play in which the actors playing the fairies behaved like the old stereotype or caricature of gay men. Of course it was a play on words — on the insulting word “fairy” as applied to a gay man. It was funny and effective.

    The audience didn’t see it as homophobic. It was a way of mocking the insulting word. I don’t think that would be allowed today.

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    1. Woke doesn't have much sense of humor.

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    2. We like to think it would be less necessary today.

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    3. DIC is correct, there is nothing funny about having to fight against oppression, which is the essence of what "woke" is.

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    4. I am oppressed. Give me money. I am Dorby.

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    5. That’s a fake take, Jake.

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    6. David in Cal likes to laugh at da gay men. Why?

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    7. @2:!5 Mocking the stereotype of gay men is not the same as mocking gay men. The theatre company and the audience in Ashland understood the difference.

      Not only is woke deficient in humor, it's deficient in subtlety.

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    8. "Mocking the stereotype of gay men is not the same as mocking gay men" - I don't think you are capable of comprehending what you write.

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    10. @7:15 when you mock the stereotype, you're not making fun of gay men, You're making fun of people who mistakenly think all gay men are effeminate looking, have high voices, don't like sports, etc.

      As I said, woke is deficient in subtlety. That's why "A Midsummer Night's Dream" couldn't be presented that way today.

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    11. “Woke” doesn’t stereotype gay people. What an asinine view.

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    12. I agree that Woke doesn't stereotype gay people. Why do you think I said that it does?

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    13. Gay people are funny.

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    14. David in Cal,
      I had a woke pebble in my shoe the other day.

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  10. Thomas Gumbleton has died.

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    1. Somerby's integrity has died.

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  11. Here is the danger presented by MTG and other Republicans trying to use the eclipse for political purposes, including to stoke fear in voters:

    "A Florida shooting suspect has an unusual explanation for her alleged highway shooting spree. On Monday, Florida Highway Patrol troopers responded to a report of an active shooter who allegedly claimed that God and the solar eclipse made her do it.

    According to the Florida Highway Patrol, Taylon Nichelle Celestine, 22, reportedly told staff at a local hotel that she planned to go on a shooting spree at God’s request “in relation to the solar eclipse.”

    She allegedly drove onto the interstate in her Purple Challenger and, within five miles, began to open fire at other vehicles. According to law enforcement, she hit two cars and injured two people. One driver was reportedly struck by glass fragments and was grazed on the arm by a bullet. Luckily, the driver was able to get away by steering onto the shoulder of the road and avoided further injury.

    However, another driver was reportedly struck in the neck by a bullet and was taken to a nearby hospital, where they were receiving treatment as of Monday. The extent of their injuries and whether they’re still receiving treatment is unclear.

    The shooter was stopped by state troopers, at which point they said they found an AR-15 and a 9mm handgun in her car. Law enforcement said that they were able to perform a felony traffic stop on her and take her “into custody without incident.” She was charged with attempted murder, aggravated battery with a deadly weapon, and improper discharge of a firearm."

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    1. Add that to the pile of why to avoid Florida at all costs.

      What a shithole state.

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    2. Give me a break. This poor woman is mentally ill.

      BTW do you think this story has gotten less media coverage because of the shooter’s race?

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    3. Trump has lots of black and Hispanic supporters (shooters). He said so. @12:06 didn't mention race. Why do you?

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    4. DIC thinks people of color are genetically predisposed to commit crimes, it is part of his charm.

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    5. The eclipse-shooter woman would've made a much better president than any deep-state endorsed shape-shifting alien reptiloid.

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    6. @12:25 As I said, my point was how the media covers stories. If the shooter had been a white male Trump supporter, he would have gotten much more media coverage IMO.

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    7. If she was really against eclipses, she should have shot the moon.

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    8. If you are told an eclipse is happening because of sinners, there is some logic to shooting sinners to make the sun come back out.

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  12. There's no character named Puck. There is a puck, but his name is Robin Goodfellow.

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    1. It has nothing to do with me.

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    2. A puck is what he was, Robin Goodfellow is who he was.

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  13. Insanity has no place in a serious discussion of politics. If Trump is insane, why is he the Republican nominee? Why has Russia placed the fate of the Ukraine in Trump's hands?

    Did anyone buy it when it was suggested that Hitler may have been insane, after the destruction of WWII? Were any of Hitler's willing executioners and fellow Nazis let off the hook?

    Next Somerby will try to argue that it is insane for the Republicans to have made this guy their leader in the hopes of benefitting from his table scraps. They too are accountable for their actions, even the ones now recanting. Insanity is not a defense in politics any more than in a court of law -- Trump seems to understand that, which is why he is increasingly desperate this week. Monday cannot come soon enough for justice to be done.

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    1. Think about how the media originally treated the lab leak theory. And look at what we know now.

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  14. I'm against misogyny, so I plan to vote for Donald Trump.

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  15. Once again here Bob claims the press made some kind of agreement not to explore Trump's mental health. When someone keeps claiming something that is not true, isn't
    indicative of some kind of mental health problem? Whatever,
    it is at this point it is fair to assume Bob is only interested in
    this kind of reporting if it EXCUSES Trump's behavior, as Bob
    refuses to examine Trump's behavior on a legal or moral level.
    And again, fair to note, before Trump Bob often condemned (perhaps rightfully so) this kind of speculation
    from the political press.

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    1. Think about how the LatinX population feels about it. Look at it from their perspective.

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    2. "LatinX" is stupid and offensive.

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    3. Extrapolate how the LatinX population feels about reporting that excuses Trump's behavior on the eve of this monumental and historic trial. It applies to upper middle class White Democrats and LatinX after all is said and done.

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    4. 9:28 "LatinX" is the new way we are referring to Hispanics. They want gender-detached phrasing from here on out.

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    5. Latins are good decent people.

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  16. “it is at this point it is fair to assume Bob is only interested in
    this kind of reporting if it EXCUSES Trump's behavior, as Bob
    refuses to examine Trump's behavior on a legal or moral level.”

    Anonymouse 1:43pm, how is it “fair” to assume that Bob’s motive is to make excuses for Trump? How could Trump successfully run a presidential campaign on the platform of “I’m mentally ill therefore ignore my behavior, Americans”.

    I doubt many voters would think “Oh, he’s mentally ill! That explains it.. He’ll make a great POTUS.”.

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    1. Trump wouldn’t be campaigning on that. How idiotic. Somerby wants the press to look at Trump through the lens of insanity, because you can’t charge an insane person with legal or moral crimes.

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    2. You and DIC will be voting g for the adjudicated rapist, multiple times adjucated fraudster, and .an with a third graders vocabulary. Not to mention insurretionist who worked to destroy our country. What's a little madness on top?

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    3. I’m voting for Trump because I’m against misogyny.

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    4. Not 1:43, I didn’t say that Trump would campaign on his mental health. I said that Trump cannot run a successful presidential campaign if people are convinced that he is mentally ill.

      Keeping Trump out of office should be your first priority. Not in the highly unlikely case that a judge would rule that he was too crazy to stand trial based on what is being said in the media or that a jury would go easy on him if he did go to trial.

      Why would you put that rickety cart before the horse when Trump haters in the media could do him more damage by this narrative than all the legal talk in the world?

      The only reason that I can ascertain for why the media has refrained from opening this can of worms is that THEY hate him so much they can’t contemplate approaching Trump from any angle other than he’s Darth Vader.

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    6. Anonymouse 4:41pm, I get that you are unable to see the country from any point of reference other than “ them” and “us”. That’s all there is—— people are either you or they are me.

      Get out more.

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    7. Why does Somerby refuse to analyze Trump's behavior on a moral or legal basis?

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    8. Why did you beat your dog?

      Bob has been analyzing Trump’s behavior since Trump went birther on Obama.

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    9. He has been analyzing Trump’s behavior through the lens of insanity. Any idiot knows that from reading him.

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    10. Hispanics and blacks are turning to Trump in record numbers. Why? Bidenomics.

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    11. They like Trump because he doesn’t say Latinx.

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