SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 1, 2024
Though only on page A12: We didn't get what we requested—but what we got was a start.
Once again, we refer to an (extensive) news report in the New York Times. Last Thursday, the report appeared online, beneath this dual headline:
Trump Keeps Turning Up the Dial on Vulgarity. Will He Alienate the Voters He Needs?
Donald J. Trump has been reposting racially and sexually charged insults of Kamala Harris, continuing a history of crass attacks...
We're dropping a part of that second headline in which, in our view, the Times chased pointless speculation. But at long last, the Times decided to treat the vulgarity of Candidate Trump—his history of crass attacks; his racially and sexually charged insults—as a stand-alone news topic all by itself:
As what it so plainly is!
When this extensive report appeared online, we said we hoped the Times would run it on the front page of Sunday's print editions.
As it turned out, the New York Times wasn't quite ready to exercise that much good judgment. Instead, the Times ran the report in Saturday's print editions—and only on paper A12.
This candidate's astonishing conduct deserves a higher profile. That said, we'll describe this lengthy report as a decent first step.
The report was written by Bensinger, Yourish and Gold. In our view, the report begins with an overly broad frame of reference:
Trump Keeps Turning Up the Dial on Vulgarity. Will He Alienate the Voters He Needs?
Donald J. Trump has been reposting racially and sexually charged insults of Kamala Harris, continuing a history of crass attacks...Over his decades in the public eye, former President Donald J. Trump has a well-established history of making degrading and racist remarks about women, people of color and pretty much anyone else who crosses his path.
It is a proclivity that dates to his days as a reality television star and that has only expanded in the meme-driven era of social media. In the words of Senator Kevin Cramer, Republican of North Dakota, Mr. Trump is “an equal opportunity offender.”
But in Vice President Kamala Harris, Mr. Trump has found a particularly complicated and risky target for his trademark brand of transgression, as more Americans are suddenly tuning in to what has become a highly competitive race.
Although there are no clear signs that Mr. Trump has increased the quantity of abuse he levels at his opponents, his decision to repost a string of sexually and racially charged broadsides in recent weeks suggests that he has turned up the dial when it comes to pure vulgarity and crudeness.
In our view, editors should have dropped the highly subjective reference to allegedly "racist" remarks. Also this:
In our view, there was no reason to talk about a decades-old "proclivity"—an alleged proclivity for which no examples are given.
At issue is Candidate Trump's behavior right now—the vulgar, crass insults referenced in that dual headline. That stream of invective from this candidate is, in fact, "particularly unusual in modern politics"—an accurate framework which appeared in a similar report in the Washington Post.
The fact that this behavior is so unusual is a large part of what makes the behavior news. In our view, that's where this important report should have begun—but soon enough, the three reporters went where the rubber has been meeting the road:
Since July 21, when President Biden stepped out of the race and endorsed Ms. Harris, Mr. Trump has directed a seemingly constant fusillade of invective at a challenger who happens to be Black, South Asian and female.
In a little over five weeks, in speeches, social media posts and interviews, Mr. Trump has called Ms. Harris a “wack job”; a “communist”; “dumb as a rock”; “real garbage”; “a bum”; and, employing a phrase he applies almost exclusively to women, “nasty.” In early August, he reposted an image depicting Ms. Harris as a dung beetle with her face covered in what appears to be blackface while astride a coconut. And he has made or amplified innuendo-laden references to his opponent’s long-ago relationship with the former San Francisco mayor Willie Brown, suggesting she traded sexual favors to accelerate her political career.
“She had a very good friend named Willie Brown,” Mr. Trump said at a rally on Aug. 3. “He knows more about her than anybody’s ever known. He could tell you every single thing about her, could tell you stories that you’re not going to want to hear.”
At a convention for Black journalists in Chicago last month, he questioned Ms. Harris’s racial identity, saying that she only recently “became a Black person.” And in addition to a post on Wednesday on his Truth Social platform, which made a crude reference to Ms. Harris and oral sex, Mr. Trump this month reshared a video of a singer in a parody video saying that Ms. Harris has spent her life “down on her knees.”
By modern political norms, this is astoundingly unusual conduct. That's what makes this gruesome behavior a stand-alone news topic—a serious topic which, in our view, should be reported on the front page..
We think this should have been on page one! At any rate, as the Times report continues, so do the examples of this candidate's remarkable conduct:
Although he returned to the X platform this month, nearly all of the off-color content Mr. Trump has amplified has been confined to his own site, which has become a kind of echo chamber for MAGA content.
In that politically homogenous, criticism-free context, Mr. Trump’s posts are constantly answered with racist and sexist memes by ardent followers in hopes that the former president will repost them, a badge of honor in MAGA circles. In recent weeks, social media has been awash in digitally manipulated and crude images of Ms. Harris that were created by Mr. Trump’s supporters showing her in sexual situations, often unclothed or in lingerie.
The post that Mr. Trump shared on Wednesday on Truth Social—a screenshot from X that showed an image of Ms. Harris and Hillary Clinton and another user’s reply: “Funny how blowjobs impacted both their careers differently…” —was a reply to one of Mr. Trump’s own posts on the site.
Finally, the Times was willing to report the reference to "blowjobs" which this former president had reposted.
As we've reported, the Fox News Channel opens a garbage can of this type every weekday evening at 10 o'clock. That should be treated as major news too—but in this case, the garbage can is being opened by one of our two White House candidates:
An anonymous account with the handle @beware_the_penguin posted the ["blowjobs"] screenshot on Truth Social. In recent weeks, that same account has uploaded and shared dozens of highly sexualized images about Ms. Harris on the platform. At least one other, more PG-rated post from that account, depicting Ms. Harris hiding from reporters under a table, was also reposted by Mr. Trump.
The oral-sex remark came from the account of a pro-Trump podcaster who calls himself Zeek Arkham. The comment alludes to Mrs. Clinton’s husband, former President Bill Clinton, who admitted to having a sexual relationship with a White House intern, Monica Lewinsky, and to Ms. Harris’s relationship with Mr. Brown in the mid-1990s.
We're sorry to see that the New York Times is still defining Monica Lewinsky as "a White House intern." In the realm of exciting tales, some designations are too time-honored to drop.
(In fact, she was a full-time federal employee during the ginormous bulk of her relationship with President Clinton.)
That said, the reporters were correctly treating Candidate Trump's behavior as what it plainly is. It's a vast departure from conventional political norms—and on that basis, it qualifies as a stand-alone, highly important news topic
So is such remarkable conduct as this:
On Wednesday, he boosted at least four posts making reference to the QAnon conspiracy theory, as well as altered images depicting Ms. Harris and other Democratic leaders in orange prison jumpsuits and other posts calling for former President Barack Obama to be tried in a military tribunal.
Astonishing behavior of this type should be treated as major, front-page news. Yesterday, the Times took a halting step in that direction
As we've long noted, it has long seemed to us that Candidate Trump is badly disordered, in a clinical sense. (As you may recall, it had seemed to us, since last August, that President Biden might perhaps be cognitively impaired in some significant way.)
President Biden has dropped from the race. Candidate Trump remains.
In this, and in various other ways, this candidate's behavior is extremely unusual. We refer here to his endless, wild misstatements of fact, as well as to his endless string of crass, vulgar public insults.
Not being crazy ourselves, we regard such bizarre behavior as major, front-page news. In future reports about this stunning behavior, that's where the timorous souls at the New York Times should screw up their courage and place it.
Bob asserts, "By modern political norms, this is astoundingly unusual conduct. " Actually, it's normal and common conduct when this kind of insults and vituperation are directed at Trump.
ReplyDeleteWhat's astounding is for such insults to be directed at a black, female Democrat.
The point is not that Harris is being subjected to vulgar insults, but that she is being subjected to such insults by the head of the other political party.
DeleteVulgarity seems now to be a part of the GOP platform, a fact which becomes less astounding each day.
Yes,Trump is the real victim. No president has ever been treated so badly while being so astonishingly great and powerful!
DeleteQuaker - I may not be properly understanding the point of your snark. Are you acknowledging that Trump is very badly maligned, but implying that he deserves it.
DeleteDavid, we are all pretty sure you do not properly understand much of anything, but thanks for playing.
DeleteDavid, you're the only one who doesn't get QiB's point, but carry on.
DeleteMy condolences, sir.
DeleteCan Harris successfully waffle on fracking? Fracking is a problem for her, because many liberals strongly oppose while many Pennsylvanians strongly support. Reportedly CNN released only 18 minutes of a 41 minute interview, keeping 23 minutes private. Fracking wasn't discussed in the portion that was released.
ReplyDeleteI suspect she won't participate in an interview where the question might be asked. So, the one scheduled debate is the only place where she might be forced to declare a position.
I work in the natural gas industry in PA, I prefer not to respond to trolls like David, but in this case I do feel inclined to try to educate him; many Pennsylvanians do in fact support banning fracking, and not just due to concerns about pollution, but also because the natural gas market is oversupplied, which allows the price to be more easily manipulated, which is causing a lot of Pennsylvanians to lose a lot of income. It’s fine for the big corporations, they can make money off of quantity, but for the people that live, and vote in PA, it’s better to limit supply, so many do in fact support banning fracking.
Delete"Reportedly CNN released only 18 minutes of a 41 minute interview, keeping 23 minutes private"
DeleteDo networks usually release the entire interview?
In any case there's a transcript available, so really so much of a coverup:
https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/29/politics/harris-walz-interview-read-transcript/index.html
This has to be one of the silliest complaints raised in a political campaign. Networks NEVER release the entire interview, because it contains chatter about the format of the questions, thanks you's and other pleasantries before the questions start, adjustments to microphones, perhaps interruptions and side comments, camera directions, and perhaps the host didn't like the way he or she phrased a question and decided to reword it (for later editing), coughing and throat clearing, off-screen noises by bystanders, and so on. This idea that interviews are not routinely edited is so stupid that this is obviously a ploy to cast suspicion on Harris after she acceded to demands that she sit for an interview and made no usable gaffes or misstatements beneficial to the right.
DeleteIt is a transparent bad faith response to her interview.
The requests for the interview were also made in bad faith.
DeletePerhaps David is confusing an interview with a deposition in a criminal matter.
DeleteFor David: https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/29/politics/harris-walz-interview-read-transcript/index.html
DeleteCan Trump successfully waffle on abortion? Abortion is a problem for him, because many conservatives strongly oppose while many strongly support.
DeleteYou better lay off the franking point David, or someone might actually follow up on Trump’s astonishing new acceptance of Obamacare!!
Delete“Reportedly” is the last refuge of the substanceless.
ReplyDeleteFair point, @1:02. However, there are two incontrovertible facts:
Delete1. Since she was nominated, Harris hasn't taken a public position on fracking
2. Her interview has never been fully released.
These two items shouldn't be taken for granted. it's striking for a candidate to avoid taking a position on such an important issue. And, AFAIK it's unheard of for someone to run for President without giving a single full, unscripted interview.
Maybe that's smart politics, but voters and citizens are being deprived of information that we have right to know.
Harris is up in the polls, whatever she is doing is working, most citizens do not feel the way DIC does.
DeleteApparently a full transcript of the interview was released, so DIC’s main premise is false, which means his conclusions are irrelevant.
Fracking. Such an important issue. LOL.
DeleteShe did state her public position on fracking in the interview with Dana Bash. The incontrovertible fact Dickhead stated so confidently, he even numbered it, is in fact controvertible. Whatever her position, it will make no difference to Dickhead in Cal.
DeleteDavidinCal 1:23 PM - you're wrong.
DeleteDuring the CNN interview, Harris said that as President, she wouldn't ban fracking. In 2019, she said that she would. CNN's Daniel Dale verified both statements but disputed Harris's claim that she switched in 2020.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/29/politics/video/kamala-harris-first-interview-fracking-position-fact-check-daniel-dale-digvid
@1:39 can you provide a link to the full transcript of the Harris - CNN interview? Thanks
Deletehttps://www.cnn.com/2024/08/29/politics/harris-walz-interview-read-transcript/index.html
DeleteYou could have googled that yourself @4:17. Why didn't you try that first, before implying that one doesn't exist?
Harris comes across as a very, very, very strange woman - detached from reality and not really what she seems to be. As if she embodies the frustration, stress, anxiety and dissatisfaction that has overwhelmed American's lives since the corporate takeover was completed. This gives her an advantage in some ways. We will have to see.
DeleteWho gets up at 5:22 AM (or earlier) to write a comment dissing Harris for embodying stress? This is the woman who also gets criticized for smiling. When did that become a stress sign?
Delete'a very, very, very strange woman - detached from reality etached from reality'
Delete'Detached from reality' is a relative term. For example some people think Trump won the 2020 election. They even think he won California!
Now that's what I call loony-tunes.
Donald Trump’s economic plan is estimated to grow the deficit by 5.9 trillion dollars. That would be a total of 13.9 trillion dollars of debt accumulated by a brilliant financial mind who could not get a single US bank to lend him money before his last election.
ReplyDeleteHe will lose no votes over this, because his acolytes know nothing about economics.
DeleteAgreed. Or they just like to bring up deficits when they are needing an argument to cut social security or Medicare. Then it becomes a convenience.
DeleteYou can dig a hole in my living room and frack from there if it denies Trump a presidency.
ReplyDeleteLol. Mine too. (DIC pretends fracking is a top issue - right up there with the economy and saving U.S. democracy)
DeleteThat last fiasco at Arlington including physically accosting a worker was a class act. Thumbs up indeed.
ReplyDeleteSomerby says: "In our view, there was no reason to talk about a decades-old "proclivity"—an alleged proclivity for which no examples are given."
ReplyDeleteNo examples may have been given in that specific articles, but the examples do exist, going back decades.
For example:
"A producer for “The Apprentice” is claiming that former President Donald Trump used the N-word during the show’s filming — and it was recorded on camera.
Bill Pruitt, a former show producer, wrote in a piece published Thursday by Slate that Trump used the word to describe Kwame Jackson, a Black finalist on the first season of “The Apprentice,” which aired in 2004.
Pruitt wrote that he was one of four producers involved in the show’s first two seasons — and that he signed a nondisclosure agreement carrying a potential fine of $5 million that he says expired this year.
His claim repeats an allegation that has circulated for years. Omarosa Manigault Newman, a former “Apprentice” contestant and Trump White House aide, claimed in 2018, as she was promoting her book, that she’d heard a tape of Trump using the racist term. CNN has not independently confirmed the existence of the tape.
Responding to the allegation at the time, Trump tweeted, “I don’t have that word in my vocabulary, and never have.”
Pruitt wrote that Trump used the word while discussing, on camera, Jackson’s performance, including his handling of Manigault Newman, with showrunner Jay Bienstock, Trump employee Carolyn Kepcher and other producers, including Pruitt.
The conversation was focused on who would win the show’s first season.
Pruitt wrote: “‘Yeah,’ he says to no one in particular, ‘but, I mean, would America buy a n— winning?’”
He added that Trump “is serious, and he is adamant about not hiring Jackson.”
Jackson would ultimately lose “The Apprentice” to fellow contestant Bill Rancic."
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/30/politics/trump-apprentice-producer-black-contestant/index.html
The Apprentice tapes are now owned by Amazon.
Here is testimony in the Congressional Record about Trump's racist behavior from someone who used to work with Trump at his casinos:
Deletehttps://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CREC-2016-09-26/html/CREC-2016-09-26-pt1-PgS6073-2.htm
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Mr. REID. Madam President, virtually every time Donald Trump says or does something discriminatory--and that is often--the media relies upon a catalog of buzzwords to describe his actions. The press uses words like hateful, intolerant, bigot, extremist, prejudice, to name but a
few. Yet there is always one word that many of the press conspicuously avoid: Racist. They never label Trump as a racist, but he is a racist. Donald Trump is a racist. ``Racist'' is a term I don't really like.
We have all, with rare exception--I don't know who it would be--said things that are not politically correct, but I don't know of anyone, when that happens, who doesn't acknowledge it and, if necessary, apologizes quickly, but Donald Trump doesn't believe the racist things he does and says are wrong. He says them with the full intent to demean and to denigrate. That is who he is.
Each time Trump is given a chance to apologize and make amends, he refuses, and then he doubles down on what he said before. The media is not holding Donald Trump accountable at all. He is not being held accountable.
So why do reporters and pundits abstain from calling Trump what he is--a racist? It is not as if Trump's racism is new. His bigotry has been on display since the early days of his business career.
When Donald Trump was still working at his father's side as second in command, the Department of Justice slapped their company with a civil rights lawsuit. Why? Because they deserved it. Undercover Federal officers in New York found that the Trumps discriminated against potential tenants by rejecting applications for housing from African
Americans and Puerto Ricans.
Trump has even had a secret system for discriminatory practices. As the Washington Post reported:
Trump employees have secretly marked the applications of minorities with codes, such as `No. 9' and `C' for colored. . . . The employees allegedly directed blacks and Puerto Ricans away from buildings with mostly white tenants and steered
them toward properties that had many minorities.
In the 1980s, Trump took his racism to Atlantic City. This is Donald Trump at his best. He cheated, coerced, filed bankruptcy, did anything he could to cheat people out of money. In the process, his racism came to the forefront in Atlantic City. Trump was accused of making his African-American employees move off the casino floor when he didn't
want to see them, which was any time he came to the casino. One employee, Kip Brown, said:
When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor. It was the eighties, I was a teenager, but I remember it: they put us all in the back. THIS is how racism becomes "normalized".
Trump was later fined $200,000 by the New Jersey Casino Control Commission for that act of disgusting racism."
This is the stuff that Somerby wants to "disappear" because there isn't space in a specific article for the NY Times to detail the instances again and again.
In the 1990s, John O'Donnell, the former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino, wrote a book about his time working with Donald Trump
DeleteTrump supported abortion, then was against it, then said women should be prosecuted for getting an abortion, then supported overturning Roe, then was going to vote to overturn Fla.’s 6 week abortion law, but now supports it.
ReplyDeleteTrump said he knew Kamala, knew her well, now he admits he’s never met her.
Trump said the 2020 election was rigged, but now he’s admitting he lost by a little bit.
Trump was handed almost $500 million from his dad, and he promptly threw it all away due to his lack of business skills, even managing to somehow bankrupt a casino.
Trump was rescued by two things 1) a reality tv producer figured out how to monetize Trump’s grotesqueness, and 2) America elected a Black president, and Trump happens to be skilled at monetizing racism.
Somerby’s rhetoric matches Trump’s roller coaster, Somerby formerly was yammering on about how far right Republicans made valid points (on gender and race in particular), how Dems should acquiesce to Republicans, and even was musing on the worthiness of the concept of democracy. But then as Trump’s chances faded, Somerby effortlessly shifted his tone, now deriding corporate media for grading Trump on a scale, all while maintaining a level of plausible deniability, and all in furtherance of his agenda of manufacturing ignorance.
Trump, Somerby, Republicans, these folks have no ideology, they lack integrity as a feature not a bug, for them it’s all about grifting and dominance, borne from their wounded, lost souls.
Sincere question: You tell us time and again that Somerby is trying to “manufacture ignorance.” Ignorance of what, exactly? What is it, in your view, that Somerby is trying to make us ignorant of?
DeleteIgnorance of reality.
DeleteCould you be more general? I got bogged down in the details.
DeleteIt is racist when Trump refers to immigrants as criminals because Trump is targeting them due to their brown skin, which is race in his mind. Good immigrants to him are from Scandinavia and other white countries. Trump makes these references at every rally and speech because he ALWAYS talks about crime and the border at his events. And then there are the meals with people like Nick Fuentes, who is a blatant white supremacist.
ReplyDeleteAnd here is what Trump said during a previous debate:
"During last night’s presidential debate, President Donald Trump refused to condemn white supremacy. Instead, when asked directly “to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down,” President Trump told the Proud Boys –– a far right Islamophobic and misogynist hate group –– to “stand back and stand by!” before adding, “But I’ll tell you what, somebody’s got to do something about antifa and the left.”
But Somerby doesn't seem to think of these militias as racist himself, having defended Trump for his defense of the Charlottesville marchers trying to Unite the Right (Alt-right white supremacist groups).
"The Proud Boys, founded by noted racist, anti-Semite, and Islamophobe Gavin McInnes in 2016, are a group of violent, far-right extremists who often express racist beliefs."
They were instrumental in Trump's 1/6 insurrection and many have gone to jail for that, including Enrique Tarrio and three other Proud Boy leaders who were convicted of conspiracy.
This is a well-known part of Trump's ongoing racism that no one should have to remind anyone about in a NY Times article. And Somerby's belief that if no one mentions Trump's racism then he isn't racist, is ridiculous.
"And Somerby's belief that if no one mentions Trump's racism then he isn't racist, is ridiculous."
ReplyDeleteShow us where Somerby said anything remotely resembling this or please, please, please just stop commenting because you're a profoundly stupid person.
While you're at it, show us where Somerby is remotely making a point.
Delete"We're dropping a part of that second headline in which, in our view, the Times chased pointless speculation. "
Delete"In our view, editors should have dropped the highly subjective reference to allegedly "racist" remarks. Also this:
In our view, there was no reason to talk about a decades-old "proclivity"—an alleged proclivity for which no examples are given.
At issue is Candidate Trump's behavior right now—the vulgar, crass insults referenced in that dual headline. "
Somerby quite clearly only wants to talk about sexual vulgarity, but many of us find the racism equally vulgar. Somerby's implicit argument is that the current example is sexual not racist, therefore the NY Times shouldn't have mentioned his racial vulgarity because there was no current example of it.
So, if the NY Times didn't mention an example of racial vulgarity, then Somerby argues, it should have limited itself to mentioning only the sexual vulgarity.
From the examples below, Trump's proclivities are far from alleged but are demonstrated. No one in their right mind believes Trump is NOT a racist and misogynist, but those on the right like those qualities whereas those on the left do not.
DeleteIs Trump's racism "highly subjective" as Somerby claims? When someone gets fined $200K by the New Jersey Casino Control Commission for mistreating black employees, that makes it more than a matter of opinion. And we all saw how he behaved at the Black Journalists Association conference, and his rally statements about "black jobs". There is nothing "subjective" about any of that.
DeleteI think Trump said this yesterday,
DeleteTrump on GOP Rep. Byron Donalds: “That one is smart. You have smart ones and then you have some that aren’t quite so good.”
Who are the "ones" he is referencing?
2:49,
DeleteThe claim was that Somerby believed that if no one mentions Trumps racism, then he isn't racist. The quotes provided do not come closing to support that over the top assertion.
You're also ignoring that Somerby wrote this:
"the Times decided to treat the vulgarity of Candidate Trump—his history of crass attacks; his racially and sexually charged insults—as a stand-alone news topic all by itself:"
"racially and sexually charged insults."
He is talking about the NY Times in that sentence. I don't know what your beef is. You won't accept any evidence of anything you don't want to believe, so this is your problem, not mine. I know what Somerby said and I can place that into the context of other things he's said in the past. You are free to believe whatever you want.
DeleteSomerby said the racism shouldn’t have been mentioned by the NYTimes without examples. I said the examples were common knowledge.
DeleteIf Trump is so racist, why is he relatively popular with blacks? IMO one reason is Dem policies that seriously hurt black Americans. Opposition to school choice is the worst.
DeleteHe isn’t popular with blacks.
DeleteTrump’s surge in polls with Black voters stuns CNN analyst: ‘Truly historic’
Deletehttps://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-s-surge-in-polls-with-black-voters-stuns-cnn-analyst-truly-historic/ar-BB1mAsMk
That story from Fox News might be a wee bit out of date, Davey Dave:
Delete"Former President Trump's surge in the polls among Black voters is a 'troubling sign' for the Biden campaign, a data reporter warned Friday."
When DIC uses the term “relatively popular
DeleteWhen DIC uses the term “relatively popular” he is referring, at its very best, to less than 1 in 5 blacks surveyed. And as QIB notes, that ship has sailed. Only in the bizarre world inhabited by Trump supporters is less than 1 in 5 “relatively popular”.
Delete"I don't know what your beef is."
DeleteRe-read what I've written, it's very clear. And if you still need help understanding it, ask a friend.
You should be able to explain yourself.
DeleteRe-read what I've written, it's very clear. And if you still need help understanding it, ask a friend.
DeleteWhat is the danger of electing someone like Trump again? It isn't just his own racism and craziness we have to worry about, but his susceptibility to foreign influences:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.rawstory.com/trump-russia-orban/
"According to a report from Politico, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán is backing efforts to influence a future Trump administration through the use of cut-outs and paid right-wing "influencers" which will in turn boost his profile with Russia.
As Politico's Heidi Przybyla and Nicholas Vinocur report, this has drawn the attention of moderate Republicans who fear Trump will be swayed by his friendship with the Hungarian strongman who is seeking a larger international stage for his brand of politics as well as lucrative trade deals with Russia.
According to the report, "The Hungarian message is of concern to mainstream Republican foreign-policy officials, past and present, because it seems to be a vehicle for an ongoing influence campaign over Trump and the many groups that are seeking his favor as he battles with Vice President Kamala Harris this fall to regain the American presidency," adding, " It has grown to include transatlantic conferences, U.S. journalist 'influencers' paid with Hungarian money and a formal agreement struck last year between a think tank funded by Orbán’s Fidesz Party, the Danube Institute, and The Heritage Foundation, another policy nerve center hoping to steer a second Trump administration."
At the center of the influence campaign is the Conservative Partnership Institute, which the Politico report describes as "a nerve center for incubating policies for a second Trump administration."
The report notes, "CPI itself is a major arm of Trump’s MAGA movement raising significant sums of money. Its roster includes some of Trump’s most ardent loyalists, such as Trump’s former chief of staff, Mark Meadows.The Heritage Foundation, whose president, Kevin Roberts, calls Orbán’s leadership a “model for conservative governance,” has openly lobbied for influence in a future Trump administration through its Project 2025 and played a lead role in lobbying Congress to end congressional funding to Ukraine."
According to one source who has taken part in the meetings, "They [Orbán allies] say things people want to hear about issues they care about. It’s ‘woke this and woke that,’ and then they pressure them with what they really want."
Harris does not need defending against Trump's sexual vulgarity. It is perhaps useful for voters to see the throwback sexual attitudes of Trump and Vance from their own mouths, to appreciate how far back they want to rewind women's progress.
ReplyDeleteHarris was a single woman who had a sex life. On the right wing considers that bad because of their repressive views on sex. Harris is accused of using sex to get ahead. The implicit view there is that she could not have done it on her own, so she must have had male help in her career. Vance is now expressing the right's attitude toward women who work. Not only are they incapable of doing men's work, but they are sad and pathetic when they attempt it, Vance says.
Facts contradict this view of Harris's success. Brown didn't help her career because she only dated him briefly and her first election was years after they had broken up. But women are not permitted to be mentored by men, without the belief that the man must have benefitted sexually while the woman used her body to get ahead. There is little escape from such innuendo or even direct claims, like the meme Trump posted, the point of which was to equate Harris with Hillary (who is hated by men) not to imply that Hillary got ahead because of her own sexual behavior.
Vance is doing his job by reminding voters that women like Harris shouldn't be working outside the home, much less running for president. And there are men and women who that will appeal to. Other women are getting the message about their real place as second class citizens and switching to Harris in droves to maintain their freedoms.
Meanwhile, what Somerby calls vulgarity is actually a right wing strategy to attract young male voters by appealing to the manosphere, those white men who are insecure about their masculinity and seeking reassurance from the right about their manliness, part of which includes the right to dominate women and protect them from black men.
https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/soy-boy-alt-right-insult/
I quoted from a Rawstory article about the reaction to Trump's statements by women at his recent Moms for Liberty appearance. They were put off by his reposting of that sexually vulgar meme. That comment disappeared, but here is the gist of it:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.rawstory.com/trump-moms-for-liberty-2669110463/
Several complained about his vulgarity and said they wished he would stop such tweets. Some also said they didn't care about the issue -- but vulgar books bother them. The point is that even conservative women do not like what Trump is doing.
It will be interesting to see whether a political strategy that relies only on male votes will be sufficient to put Trump back in office. He seems to have doubled down on both highlighting that Harris is female while denigrating women at every opportunity. If Harris wins (and I believe she will), it will perhaps show that sexual politics are not quite what Somerby thinks they are. It may be that this will disgust enough men (who care about their wives, sisters, daughters, mothers, grandmothers or who admire the accomplishments of women, such as developing science behind the covid vaccine, building the Brooklyn Bridge, leading the House of Representatives) and that male backlash against Trump will help Harris win in November.
Somerby has never mentioned the #NotAllMen movement but it too exists. It may even extend to men in the Republican party, who are sickened by Trump's behavior in a variety of ways, including racial slurs AND sexist attacks on Harris (and all women) not just the way he has sold out his country to Russia and made a mess of our country's covid response.
Trumps's repertoire is to raise fears (by talking about sharks and drowning and Hannibal Lecter), claiming the country is a mess (when it obviously isn't), and saying it must be saved, while heating up a culture war between men and women (who more generally are in it together, not enemies or threats to each other). James Thurber joked about a War Between Men and Women, but Trump is trying really hard to make it real. That would be really bad! Worse than WWIII.
"Donald Trump has long been criticized for what some have called corrupt foreign practices involving money coming from foreign nations, but those issues are only growing deeper, according to a new report.
ReplyDeleteBefore, during, and after his presidency, Trump benefited from foreign deals that largely flew under most citizens' radar.
But those deals are ramping up, "likely in preparation for a second term," according to a report from the Intelligencer.
"Given the financial overlap between Trump, his family, his company, and a constellation of kleptocratic regimes, especially Russia, Trump presented an unprecedented opportunity for foreign regimes to directly access the White House and tilt American policy in the process," according to the report. "Now, with Trump running for the presidency once more, those concerns have hardly disappeared. If anything, foreign governments — including brand-new regimes that weren’t involved in Trump’s first whirlwind in the White House — have only spied new opportunities to burrow into his pockets and into a second administration."
The report outlines various deals from various foreign nations, including Egypt, China, Kazakhstan, and Indonesia, but especially focuses on Trump's multi-prong relationship to the Saudi Arabian government."
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-saudi-sketchy-foreign-business-deals/
This is why being a businessman is not a qualification for president. Love of money and only money is a poor qualification for a public service job, which the presidency is. Trump only cares about himself, which makes him majorly unsuited for any job involving the needs of others, including being a father or a CEO in a company employing anyone.
DeleteAnyone who voted for Trump because of his business acument needs to reexamine their own values because fraud shouldn't be part of doing business, even with foreign companies. These deals are the worst form of corruption, only one step removed from treason.
It’s OK that Trump cares so strongly for himself. Egomania drives him to be good for us all. The only way he can be regarded as a good President is to BE a good President.
DeleteBut he isn’t good for us all.
Delete"Egomania drives him to be good for us all."
DeleteHoly hell.
His sociopathy drives him to be a good leader, compassionate yet strong. His pathological lying brings strength and stability to our country. —- DiC somewhere in the back of his mind.
DeleteHis abject narcissism which leads him to care about only himself is good for us all.
DeleteThis is DiC and MAGA in general.
"The only way he can be regarded as a good President is to BE a good President."
DeleteYour level of self-delusion approaches Trump's. Get help.
David said a similar thing 8 years ago. He said Trump would use his skills and talent as a corrupt bastard for the benefit of the whole country. You see, being a corrupt lying bastard with no morals or character is a resume enhancement for Trump, any slight question or lie found in the Democratic candidate would be a total disqualification. That's what leads Dickhead in Cal to come here spreading the latest attempted smear questioning whether Harris ever worked at McD's.
DeleteWhy take DIC's opinion on Trump, when it is verified by an annual poll of historians. It's not? He's ranked dead last among all presidents in 2024? Down from a high of 43rd in 2021? What is this, some kind of conspiracy? Did someone rig the voting, like in the last presidential election? What, they're not MAGA cult members? Then what good is the poll? Maybe get a grip, DIC, but we all know you're way too far gone. So we'll nod our heads collectively in feigned agreement that the asshole who tried to overturn the last election had our better good in mind.
ReplyDeleteWhen presented with an appeal to authority you have to demand an exhaustive accounting of the procedures they used for coming to their conclusions, the origins of "facts" they used, the context of any quotes and testimonials used and research any benefits accruing to the historians from convincing others of their conclusion.
DeleteAfter all, "More Doctors Smoke Camels" and "51 former “intelligence” officials cast doubt on Hunter Biden laptop". We don't want to get fooled again by a propagandistic appeal to authority designed to manipulate us.
There was a very rich and famous donor to the Democratic party interviewed the other day and they actually said the protesters on January 6th killed police officers. Officers plural. Yet those protesters didn't kill anyone. So propaganda can spread to the highest levels which is why must always be on the lookout for it and question what we are told by people who may benefit from what they are telling us.
DeleteThe circumstances of the Hunter Biden laptop's appearance were suspicious and murky and it was quite reasonable to cast doubt on its authenticity.
DeleteAnd now he tells Fox that interfering with an election is legal. Specifically, his interfering with an election.
Deletehttps://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-tells-fox-news-had-060353641.html
Brilliant mind.
The protetesters bear-sprayed an officer who died the next day. What a coincidence.
DeleteAlso, one protester was trampled to death by the mob. Who killed her?
The point is the appeal to authority - the 51 former intelligence officials - were wrong. So as quite reasonable it was to cast doubt on the laptop's authenticity, it was indeed authentic. Ie. it was also quite reasonable to cast doubt on the appeal to authority offered by people who benefitted from their conclusion, because their conclusion was wrong in the end. Same situation here with the historians. You can't take them simply sat their word.
DeleteProtesters did not bear-spray an officer. And he died of natural causes.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/27/politics/sicknick-capitol-bear-spray-pepper/index.html
"Also, one protester was trampled to death by the mob. Who killed her?"
DeleteAlthough this representation deviates from the original claim, making it easier to defeat, the claim actually was that the protesters killed multiple police officers .
Certainly the judgment of historians as to which presidents are better or worse than the others is twaddle. You may as well ask them which of the presidents were the best looking.
DeleteBut I don't see how it can have been reasonable at the same time to both cast doubt on the laptop's authenticity and to not cast doubt on it. That brings a little too much contortion to bear on what 'reasonable' means.
"the claim actually was that the protesters killed multiple police officers ."
DeleteAnd this claim was made by an enormously rich and connected DNC donor this week!!! A claim that was proven false years ago. So please just be careful to believe what people of "authority" tell you.
"But I don't see how it can have been reasonable at the same time to both cast doubt on the laptop's authenticity and to not cast doubt on it. That brings a little too much contortion to bear on what 'reasonable' means."
DeleteYou should probably think that through a little further.
Any "authority" who doesn't name Ronald Reagan the worst U.S. President by far, isn't worth listening to about anything.
DeleteIt reminds me of when the tree-hugging hippies were correct abut Saddam Hussein's lack of WMDs, while every Republican politician was 100% wrong about them.
DeleteOr the way that people who are paid to know about politics, claimed Republican voters were "economically anxious", when they've actually been nothing more than the bigots they always were.
DeleteThe sooner we can get the homeless into executive positions on Wall Street, the better off this country will be.
DeleteYoohoo 10:40,
Delete"Yet those protesters didn't kill anyone." That was part of the original claim.
10:44,
DeleteThe protetesters bear-sprayed an officer who died the next day. What a coincidence.
Correction: Sicknick was pepper-sprayed, not bear-sprayed. He was 43.
DeleteThe medical examiner concluded he had died of 'natural causes' but also noted that he had engaged the rioters and that "all that transpired played a role in his condition", whatever that means.
No January 6 protester killed a police officer let alone multiple police officers.
DeleteSicknick died of natural causes after suffering multiple strokes that were not directly related to the protest. He was not bear sprayed and he did not die the next day because of it.
You have to be careful because we are surrounded by propaganda and propagandists willing to manipulate what you think for their own benefit.
Rudy got a hold of Hunter’s laptop and gave it to Trump to use as an October surprise. Entrenched oligarchical agents close to the Biden camp became aware that they had this laptop, and knowing that it was real, created a propaganda campaign that involved getting 51 former intelligence officers to lie and say that they thought the laptop was Russian propaganda. The campaign was somewhat successful at saving off its impact as an October surprise. They were able to successfully limit it distribution on social media and cast enough doubt to make it a successful operation.
You say the intelligence officials lied. What is your evidence?
DeleteIf you have none, you are simply a low level propagandist.
I guess that’s true. It’s hard to believe they were unwittingly creating a false narrative given the timing and circumstances . You’re right. You have to check out everything you are told because you are surrounded by people trying to manipulate you into thinking something that benefits them.
DeleteHere’s one of them describing its use at the highest levels:
https://x.com/0rf/status/1830016733526049207
I'd like to stick to the specifics of the laptop memo from the intelligence officials. Here's the meat from that memo:
Delete"We want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails, provided to the New York Post by President Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, are genuine or not and that we do not have evidence of Russian involvement -- just that our experience makes us deeply suspicious that the Russian government played a significant role in this case."
What is propagandistic or even objectionable about that statement?
The letters emerged late in the campaign and were made public by Rudy Giuliani, one of the most profoundly dishonest people in the history of the Republic, and would benefit candidate Trump, another profoundly dishonest person, who was certainly preferred by the Russians over Biden.
The memo goes on to detail the recent history of Russian interference in US elections, and its goal of destablizing our democracy.
Apparently the letter was incorrect in its suspicions. But it was not propaganda.
I understand how you feel. One can make an argument that it is not propaganda in the strict, traditional sense. What is propagandistic about the statement above is that it uses a tactic called guilt by association which allows the propagandist plausible deniability by suggesting it is Russian propaganda without explicitly saying it is. The proof that it works is that the story was censored. Mission accomplished. All they wanted to do was cast doubt or suspicion on the laptop enough to get it censored and squashed as much as possible before the election, and they did this by linking it to 'Russian disinformation' which had already been established as a threat in the public mind. Ironically, that was due to more of the same type of propaganda or "thought manipulation" about Russian disinformation that has flooded our information systems and manipulated the thoughts of millions and millions over the past decade.
DeleteAs you research how powerful people are trying to manipulate your thoughts, an important thing you will learn is that a lot of it is done by suggestion and association.
You still have provided no evidence--documents, interviews, emails, etc.--to establish or even suggest that the 51 officials knew all along that Russia was not involved.
DeleteAbsent these factors, the labeling of the incident as propaganda is rather free-floating and seems to have more to do with feeling than fact.
Exactly.
DeleteThe security officials have plausible deniability.
DeleteYou’re getting it!
DeleteI am getting it. You have a theory that is fact-free and therefore irrefutable.
DeleteOnly in America.
I come before you as a concerned American citizen who loves this country, and as a man
Deletewho has faced up to his own wrongdoings. From November 2018 to October 2019, I was a key
participant in and witness to numerous efforts to prove that Joe Biden and Hunter Biden were
linked to corruption in Ukraine. Rudy Giuliani, on behalf of then-president Donald Trump, tasked
me with a mission to travel the globe finding dirt on the Bidens so that an array of networks could
spread misinformation about them. They sought to damage the Bidens’ reputations and secure the
2020 election for Trump.
Written Statement of Lev Parnas, March 19, 2024
"Rudy got a hold of Hunter’s laptop"
DeleteThis is false. Rudy never took possession of "the laptop." He was given a hard drive that contained what was purported to be the contents of a laptop. The contents of the hard drive consume more disk storage space than what is available on the laptop model that belonged to Biden and ended up in the possession of John Paul Mac Isaac
Is that the way it went? That makes sense. Rudy got a hold of the contents of Hunter’s laptop and he gave it to Trump to use as an October surprise … etc etc.
DeleteOsama bin Laden was assassinated for guilt by association.
DeleteWe all should have learned how guilt by association can lead to tragedies from that episode.
"51 former “intelligence” officials cast doubt on Hunter Biden laptop".
ReplyDeleteWhat does that statement mean to you?
It means that 51 intelligence officials cast doubt on Hunter Biden's laptop.
ReplyDelete"You should probably think that through a little further."
ReplyDeleteWise. Very wise.
Yes, you're repeating yourself. Can you explain what you mean in your own words, maggot?
ReplyDeleteWell, Uncle Grouchy, right now there's an apple on my kitchen table. That statement doesn't 'mean' anything to me in abstraction
ReplyDeleteIf you have a particular question or concern about the statement, why don't you let us know what it is?
Seven years into the Hunter Biden investigation, now under a Special Counsel, which is unconstitutional according to the judge in Trump's stolen document federal felony case, Hunter Biden has been convicted of 3 felony counts related to his purchase of a firearm in 2018 while allegedly addicted to drugs.
ReplyDeleteHe is still facing additional charges by the unconstitutional special counsel for evading taxes which he has already repaid to the government.
I am sorry, maggot, if I asked you a question. I should have realized a maggot would be too dumb and ignorant to really understand what the fuck he was trained to say. Never mind.
Isn't it always a three-day weekend when you run out of your medication?
ReplyDelete9:35 When a poll doesn't go your way, your default mode is that it is tainted by participants that have motives to propagandize.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.npr.org/2024/02/19/1232447088/historians-presidents-survey-trump-last-biden-14th
Note that the 154 historians and presidential experts in the American Political Science Association surveyed self labeled as liberal, moderate or conservative. Trump ranked in the bottom 5 among self-described conservative historians. And lowest among all 154 experts surveyed. So if you are going to make a case that those surveyed were either not qualified or biased in their responses for personal gain, go ahead and make your case. Explain yourself.
History is not a science and 'presidential greatness' is not found on any periodic table. Any historian who participates in such an exercise is a fool.
ReplyDeleteWe have to know the procedures they used for coming to their conclusions, the origins of "facts" they used, the context of any quotes and testimonials they used and research any benefits they may receive from convincing others of their conclusion. We can't take them at their word. There was a very influential and rich Democrat that claimed last week multiple police officers were killed by January 6th protesters. Maybe some of the historians are dealing with the same erroneous set of facts.
ReplyDelete5:14 You can manufacture a set of requirements for any group of individuals who have more expertise than yourself, be it climate scientists, physicians, or any of a number of academics who have achieved above your pay grade. Your purpose is to diminish them or call into question their motives when they disagree with your opinion. They are members of an academic community that you can research to your heart’s content, including studying their daily habits individually if you feel compelled. Enjoy the time spent on that.
ReplyDeleteYou “January 6th police killings” example has no bearing on this subject .
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