THE RATIONAL ANIMAL'S GUARDIANS: What Sanders said in '85!

WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 26, 2020

What Sanders said last week:
Should Bernie Sanders be the Democratic nominee this year?

We don't have a firm view about that. By traditional standards, every candidate on last night's stage is unelectable. This complicates the decision a primary voter must make.

That said, the sitting president, Donald J. Trump, is also unelectable. And, by the rules of the game, someone has to be elected this year, assuming we have an election.

That conundrum set the stage for last night's embarrassing reenactment of the time-honored bar scene from Star Wars.

Who was worse—the moderators or the hopefuls? Our favorite exchange went like this:
KLOBUCHAR (2/26/20): So I have long supported the assault weapon ban. I am the author of the bill to close the boyfriend loophole that says that domestic abusers can't go out and get an AK-47—

BIDEN: I wrote that law.

KLOBUCHAR: That bill, along with— You didn't write that bill. I wrote that bill.

BIDEN: I wrote the bill, the Violence Against Women Act—

KLOBUCHAR: OK. You did do that.

BIDEN: —that took out of the hands of people who abused their—

KLOBUCHAR: OK. We'll have a fact check look at this.

BIDEN: Let's look at the fact check—

KLOBUCHAR: Oh my goodness.

BIDEN: The only thing that the boyfriend loophole is was not covered. I couldn't get that covered. You, in fact, when you were, as a senator tried to get it covered and Mitch McConnell is holding it up on his desk right now, and we're going to lose the Violence Against Women Act across the board.

KLOBUCHAR: OK. So if I could finish. I have the bill, anyone can check it out, to close the boyfriend loophole.
Who actually wrote the provision which would have closed the boyfriend loophole?

Reportedly, the text came to Biden in a dream when he was imprisoned on Robben Island. Why won't Klobuchar simply accept the basic facts of American history?

For our money, Candidate Biden is pretty much out on his feet. To her credit, Candidate Klobuchar seems to be sane, except when forced to stand within fifty yards of Candidate Buttigieg.

That said, voters were being asked to make their decisions on the basis of exchanges like the one we've posted—an exchange concerning the authorship of a loophole they'd never heard of. And then, there was the giant question—the question concerning what Candidate Sanders (partially) said in The Summer of '85.

As we noted yesterday, the sudden focus on this question comes from the part of modern campaign culture known as No Misdirection Left Behind.

Earlier in this very campaign, Candidate Harris assailed Candidate Biden for a position he'd taken all the way back in the 1970s. But as it turned out, Candidate Harris holds the same position today.

This awkward fact undercut the claims of greatness showered upon Candidate Harris in the aftermath of her attack. But whether it's Candidate Hart's possible girl friend, or Candidate Gore's three-button suits (one of which was brown);

Whether it's Candidate Clinton's treasonous Moscow trip, or Candidate Clinton's "extremely careless" behavior with a bunch of trivial emails;

Whether it's the temper displayed by Candidate Muskie while playing cards with the boys on the bus, or the fact that Candidate Dukakis didn't bunch Bernie Shaw in the nose when Shaw asked a deeply inappropriate question during a 1988 debate;

Whatever form the misdirection of the moment may take, the misdirection will always come when the rich come into our lives. This explains why we're now talking about what Sanders (partially) said in 1985 about a topic which no longer matters, as opposed to what he said last week.

What did Sanders say last week? He said something which is plainly very important! But he said something which, by the rules of the game, simply cannot be pursued within the American discourse.

In Monday's report, we were discussing this forbidden topic before Griff Witte came into our lives. Here's what Sanders last week. He said in the last Democratic debate, the one held near the casinos
SANDERS (2/19/20): Let me be very clear, two points. For a hundred years, from Teddy Roosevelt to Barack Obama, this country has been talking about the need to guarantee health care for all people. And yet today, despite spending twice as much per capita, Chuck, twice as much as any other major country on Earth, we got 87 million who are uninsured or underinsured, we got over 60,000 people who die every year because they don't get to a doctor on time.

We're getting ripped off outrageously by the greed and corruption of a pharmaceutical industry, which in some cases charges us 10 times more for the same drugs because of their price-fixing, Five hundred thousand people go bankrupt every year because they can't afford medical bills.
Thus spake Candidate Sanders—and he says this all the time! But as we noted in Monday's report, the topic goes undiscussed and unreported. By the unwritten rules of the game, this topic simply cannot be discussed within the American discourse.

Instead, we've now zeroed in on (partial) statements by Candidate Sanders from 1985. This is what happens when the rich come into our lives. Stated another way, this is what happens when the rational animal stages its latest charade.

On Monday, we approached this forbidden topic through the rarest of sightings—a front-page report in the Washington Post about American health care spending.

The report was written by Heather Long, an experienced economics reporter. She's the type of reporters who doesn't get asked to appear on MSNBC.

As we noted, Long's front-page report appeared on January 8. It started off like this:
LONG (1/8/20): America’s sky-high health-care costs are so far above what people pay in other countries that they are the equivalent of a hefty tax, Princeton University economists Anne Case and Angus Deaton say. They are surprised Americans aren’t revolting against these taxes.

“A few people are getting very rich at the expense of the rest of us,” Case said at conference in San Diego on Saturday. The U.S. health-care system is “like a tribute to a foreign power, but we’re doing it to ourselves.”

The U.S. health-care system is the most expensive in the world,
costing about $1 trillion more per year than the next-most-expensive system—Switzerland’s. That means U.S. households pay an extra $8,000 per year, compared with what Swiss families pay. Case and Deaton view this extra cost as a “poll tax,” meaning it is levied on every individual regardless of their ability to pay.
As we noted, Case and Deaton were actually understating the size of the annual "poll tax" visited upon the typical American family. If they had compared American health care spending to that in larger nations like England, Canada, France or Japan, the size of the extra annual spending which have been much more dramatic.

Long's report in the Post was a major outlier. This topic has been around forever. It goes to the heart of questions which have long defined our pseudo-discourse—questions about stagnant wages and about federal deficits and debt.

That said, this topic, by the rules of the game, simply cannot be discussed within the mainstream American press. For that reason, we're allowed, indeed encouraged, to discuss what Sanders (partially) said in 1985. But we aren't allowed to discuss a basic question:

Where's all the extra money going? What explains the very large "poll tax" paid by each family each year?

In theory, our journalists and our professors should be rushing into print to discuss this important topic. But, with very rare exceptions, our guardians have long since walked off their posts, and so we face the current situation:

We're encouraged to discuss what Sanders (partially) said in 1985 about a topic which no longer exists. We aren't allowed to discuss what Sanders said on NBC in prime time just last week.

Our guardians from CBS behaved like fools last night. Their inanity and incompetence helped create what happened.

That said, our major news orgs have never tried to explain where all that extra money is going. When Long's report appeared in the Post, it triggered zero discussion.

Rachel continued to worry about how many years Roger Stone would get. Others kept dragging Kornacki before "the big board" to supply us with tons of pointless statistics. (No jacket; sleeves rolled up.)

The entertainment rolls along. But Long's report, a major outlier, came and went without notice.

Last night, we saw the fruits of this very familiar game. What Sanders said last week is extremely important. But, because it can't be discussed, we've returned to things he (partially) said in the summer of '85.

This happens when the rich come into our lives. The other rich won't tell you.

Tomorrow: As with Case and Deaton, so with Katherine Boo

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  2. Both parties just pretend to have our interests in mind. Their real constituents are the rich. It's been that way for a long, long time.

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    1. Their real beneficiaries may be the rich, but their constituents are everyone who lives in their districts, by definition.

      Who benefits from nihilist statements like this? In 2016, it was Trump who benefitted when Russian bots convinced disillusioned liberal voters to stay home.

      They are back for 2020, perhaps using screen names like Benny Liquid. Does having a nym make their message more valid, deadrat? Does it make them less botty?

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    2. God, Russia is all you people know. It's sad. Their real beneficiaries are the rich. What's botty about that? Imperial military industrial complex war and graft and the healthcare corruption described here continued full on during both parties time in the saddle. You dont need a Russian bot to understand that. It's just a fact Jack.

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    3. It's just a fact, Ivan.

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    4. HAHAHAHAHHAAHHHAHAHAH Sick burn! You're so on it! ;)

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    5. "Sick Burn" is on pg 33 of the Russian Troll's Handbook of Obsolete Adolescent Phrases. "On it"? Dope, brah!

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    6. And Russophobia is on the title page of the dembot manual.

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    7. Ok but it doesn't change the issue:Imperial military industrial complex war and graft and the healthcare corruption described here continued full on during both parties time in the saddle.

      Ad hominum changes of the subject are a tell take sign you are losing the argument daddy o. ;)

      (And they are a sign a general weak intellect.)

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    8. "Russophobia is on the title page of the dembot manual."

      With racism. Poor guys totally lost the plot.

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    9. They are back for 2020, perhaps using screen names like Benny Liquid. Does having a nym make their message more valid, deadrat? Does it make them less botty?

      Of course not. Is that what you took away from my complaint about Anonymous Ignoramuses? Having an identifiable nym merely makes it easier to follow a conversation in the comment section. It doesn't have anything to do with the quality of the comments.

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  3. Elizabeth Warren has also been talking about healthcare as a basic human right, and how the high cost of health care is a leading cause of bankruptcy in the US. She tells a personal story about her family’s experience with the health care system.

    But Somerby never noticed. He preferred to bring up the “Indian” issue, over and over again.

    And when Warren came out with detailed plans to overhaul the health care system (while Bernie never provided the specifics), what did Somerby do? He pushed a story by Ronald Brownstein from last October in the Atlantic, meant as a criticism of Warren’s plan, and said “For the record, Brownstein is reporting basic facts”, without critique.

    He also approvingly pushed an article by Timothy Egan from November (“How the Insufferably Woke Help Trump — Democrats are insulting and condescending to the swing-state voters they need the most.”) which was mostly an anti-Warren editorial.

    Somerby is somewhat selective in what he views as an attack from the guardians.

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    1. Somerby complains that no one has been discussing health care, but that is one of the clear points of difference between Warren and Sanders and it has been raised at several debates and discussed in articles by pundits. I don't see health care being ignored at all. But I do see Somerby ignoring what Warren says about health care.

      Is convincing us that no one talks about Bernie's health care plan a way to later assert that Bernie didn't get fair consideration? That seems ridiculous given the focus at the NH debate on how health care for all would be paid for. It seems to me that all of the candidates have been discussing versions of health care reform, not just Bernie, and health care has been a major issue for all candidates. It isn't Bernie who has driven that discussion -- it is the attacks on Obamacare from the right, coupled with the realities of health care costs that voters are personally experiencing.

      If Bernie cared about health care, he would have put forth a more detailed plan. He would stop waving his arms and start thinking about how to address this important issue in a realistic way (one that does not require a revolution).

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    2. One of the most infuriating things the great “media critic” Somerby has done in the recent past was his failure to recognize the way the mainstream media engaged in a concerted effort to derail Warren’s candidacy when she was surging in the polls. Whether he was just ignorant of it, or willingly piled on, is unclear, but I tend to believe Somerby is not a dunce, so I incline to the second option.

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  4. "By traditional standards, every candidate on last night's stage is unelectable."

    The men are unelectable because things they have said or done. The women are unelectable simply because they are women.

    By traditional standards. There is no reason to cling to tradition that disadvantages candidates simply because of their sex.

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    1. Well, you got the CIA. That's something at least.

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    2. Russian bot again. Can't Somerby block these as spam?

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    3. Are Jews electable? I wish they were, but I don't think they are.

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    4. How about atheists?

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    5. No, but a woman runs the CIA. That's some progress for women. Heck, she will probably be a paid analyst for MSNBC soon and we can believe every word she tells us! After all, why would someone from the CIA go on TV and lie?

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  5. "That said, voters were being asked to make their decisions on the basis of exchanges like the one we've posted—an exchange concerning the authorship of a loophole they'd never heard of. And then, there was the giant question—the question concerning what Candidate Sanders (partially) said in The Summer of '85."

    Here is the point in Somerby's essay where he sets up a false equivalency between other candidates' previous statements and Sanders' Castro statement. Here is where Somerby shifts from griping about the debate responses of other candidates to his defense of Bernie -- the actual point of today's post.

    And then he changes the subject to health care, never dealing at all with Bernie's foot-in-mouth:

    "What did Sanders say last week? He said something which is plainly very important! But he said something which, by the rules of the game, simply cannot be pursued within the American discourse."

    There is a reason why no one goes around praising Fidel Castro and Communist Cuba. If Sanders cannot grasp that reason, he is unfit to be President, because he doesn't understand the nuances of foreign policy and international relations. He is as bad as Trump, blind to the feelings of others (including constituents in this case) and bent on expressing his disruptive opinions come hell or high water. That is what Trump does, out of ignorance. I believe Bernie does it out of ego. Whatever the source of his lack of impulse control, he is unfit to be president because he can't put a sock in it on certain topics.

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    1. Women know all about the boyfriend loophole. They are the ones being targeted and shot by ex-boyfriends who go out and get firearms, then come and shoot up workplaces where their exes work.

      When Somerby refers to this as an obscure loophole, he shows his disregard for major issues affecting women's health, indeed their ability to live their lifespans without fear that some deranged man will be permitted to buy a gun in order to shoot them.

      Bernie doesn't "get" women's issues either. He thinks that if you solve the economic problems, the inequities between men and women will disappear too. Biden's remarks show that he left those boyfriends out of his Violence Against Women Act, creating the loophole that Kolubuchar fixed (and it is not her fault that McConnell won't take up any legislation coming from the Democratic House). Biden made a snide remark that her fix torpedoed the Violence Against Women Act, which is a fundamental dishonesty on his part. McConnell hasn't been willing to consider anything passed by the House.

      This reveals Uncle Joe as the asshole he truly is. But Somerby doesn't pick up on that. He thinks this is an obscure issue that no one cares about -- except women. Women who vote.

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  6. "Long's report in the Post was a major outlier. This topic has been around forever. "

    Why would something that has been around forever be reported in a newspaper, which exists to report current events?

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  7. Here, dear Bob, I bet you'll like this quip:

    "The debates are anything but debates. They are not policy discussions so much as they are something more akin to low-grade reality TV, maybe something on the level of Jerry Springer."

    ...from a decent piece here: Are Bernie and the Democrat Party just entertainment?

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  8. "Last night, we saw the fruits of this very familiar game. What Sanders said last week is extremely important. But, because it can't be discussed, we've returned to things he (partially) said in the summer of '85.

    This happens when the rich come into our lives. The other rich won't tell you."

    Doesn't Somerby know that Sanders is a millionaire who owns three homes?

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  9. I don't understand how health care costs can be considered a poll tax when they don't fall equally on everyone. They fall disproportionately on those with health problems, on those without employer paid health care, and on the elderly and those with young families. There are many other families who don't see a doctor all year. They are not paying the same "poll tax" as the rest of us.

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    1. You’re right that poll taxes are often considered levies of a fixed amount, but the defining characteristic of a poll tax is that it’s levied on individuals and not income or property. Everybody (or at least every adult) in the US pays an inflated amount for inadequate health care through premiums, copays, deductibles, and non-covered expenses, although some are subsidized by others.

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  10. What Sanders said in 85 is important to a lot of people in Florida, especially members of the Cuban refugee community. The Mariel boat lift was in 1980. Those people hold different opinions of Castro's regime than Bernie does, and they still do.

    Who praises dictators, besides Trump? Apparently, Bernie does. Because he lacks empathy for the people who are being mistreated by strongmen like Castro. He is single-mindedly focused on finding empirical support for his leftist ideology that he ignores the consequences for people living under the thumb of a dictator.

    We don't need someone like that as President. And Somerby thinks that his statement in 1985 was trivial. That should tell you a lot about Somerby too -- his inability to recognize what is important to other people who may be different from himself, in this case, Cuban refugees who risked their lives to come to the US in small boats, desperate to get out of Cuba, despite whatever benefit Sanders was touting.

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    1. Hmm. What wrong with praising dictators, dembot, when their actions are wise and beneficial to populations of their countries? Explain, please.

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    2. A dictator is robbing people of rights and freedoms guaranteed under a more democratic form of government. Praising any of their specific actions tends to legitimize their authority, and that's why American leaders avoid the kind of statement Bernie made.

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    3. What "rights and freedoms", dembot? To vote for one of the two clowns approved by the establishment, instead of voting one single clown? I don't think people know the difference.

      Especially when the dictator does the things they want and need, while "rights and freedoms" clowns follow the orders of global finance.

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    4. We get it that you Russians don't appreciate American freedom. How many things did Stalin do, that you wanted and needed?

      The problem is that you don't get to choose which kind of benign dictator you will get -- 'cause he's a fucking dictator!

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    5. Stalin? He's still quite popular, so quite a few, I imagine. Incidentally, that wasn't Russia, it was the USSR. I would guess that Stalin is most popular in Georgia, not in Russia.

      But of course the dictator is often chosen by the people, dear dembot. And not by meaningless voting for one of the two establishment-approved candidates, but by fighting and dying. Which was, in fact, the case with Fidel Castro.

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    6. A dictator who is a beloved leader, installed by the populace, doesn't have to close his borders to keep his own people from fleeing.

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    7. Why, loved by most, hated by some, obviously.

      And, it depends, dembot. If closing the borders is beneficial to most, then closing the borders might, quite possibly, be the right thing to do. Especially in extreme situations.

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    8. The ones who hated Stalin had a habit of losing their lives. Purely coincidentally, no doubt.

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    9. What's with Stalin, dembot? I thought your "Bernie" candidate linked the reforms in post-Batista Cuba. Are you confusing Stalin with Castro?

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    10. At 3:33 PM: let me help you with the answers of those two questions you ask, since it's obvious that you struggle with subtlety and nuance. Pochemu by tebe ne poyti i pomochit'sya na mogilu tvoyey materi, intellektual'no vyaloye nasekomoye.

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    11. So Castro turned himself into one of those heinous "strongmen" whom democracy loving Americans feel so much contempt for. I wonder why he went that route.

      LINK

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    12. Don't try to defend Castro, CMike, it is a losing battle. As to why, because power corrupts.

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    13. According to this, Castro improved literacy in order to make government propagandizing more effective:

      https://thehill.com/opinion/international/484878-bernie-sanders-didnt-mention-the-dark-side-of-education-in-castros-cuba

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  11. Bernie said that he was booed by DNC plants during the debate.

    Does being paranoid make you unelectable?

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Enough_Sanders_Spam/comments/f9sqyk/oh_my_god_bernie_said_the_dnc_rigged_the_south/

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    1. He didn't say that though.

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    2. Click on the embedded video.

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    3. His last words were "that's what the DNC did".

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    4. Bernie did not say "he was booed by DNC plants during the debate."

      Sorry.

      I don't know why you and the original poster feel the need to overstate your case.

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    5. He said that the DNC paid for the expensive floor seats from which he was booed during the debate. His meaning was entirely clear. Objecting that his words were not exactly "he was booed by DNC plants during the debate" doesn't get Bernie off the hook.

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    6. Off the hook? Dembot, whether "Bernie" said it himself or not, people notice, and they know it's true.

      Here, for example: "You Had To Be Fairly Wealthy": $1,750 To $3,200 ​​​​​​​Ticket Prices For Dem Debate Spark Disgust

      "Unusually loud booing and jeering directed disproportionately at Sens. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren during Tuesday night's Democratic presidential debate — particularly when the senators criticized billionaire businessman Michael Bloomberg — sparked probing questions about the class composition of the audience packed inside the Gaillard Center in Charleston, South Carolina."

      Dembot, who exactly is on the hook here?

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    7. Saying the DNC paid for the expensive floor seats from which he was booed by during the debate is accurate fool, and it's not paranoid! It's not saying he was booed by plants. What he said speaks for itself. Only rich insiders were in those seats. Your comment and the original tweet were stupid.

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  12. Here is Elizabeth Warren's plan for dealing with infectious outbreaks, such as COVID-19:

    https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/combating-infectious-disease-outbreaks?s

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  13. Why exactly is Klobuchar unelectable?

    What about Bloomberg, a name Somerby hasn’t yet mentioned, to my knowledge?

    Was Al Gore unelectable? He did end up winning the popular vote while losing the electoral college, like Hillary. There’s no record of Somerby calling Gore unelectable, or even Bill Bradley, for that matter.

    Was Obama unelectable? Most Republicans thought so.

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  14. Here is what Rude Pundit said about Elizabeth Warren's health plan comments in the NH debate:

    "Warren went after everyone on the stage, dismissing Buttigieg and Klobuchar's health care plans as bullshit (although, to be fair, Klobuchar has far more than a "Post-It note" on her website) and, in a truly gutsy moment, actually pushing back on the most sacred of Sanders' sacred cows, his Medicare for All plan, saying, "His campaign relentlessly attacks everyone who asks a question or tries to fill in details about how to actually make this work. And then his own advisors say, yeah, probably won't happen anyway."

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  15. Aren’t Sanders’ old comments a part of the reason why he may not be electable, at least among a large group of voters? He hasn’t really changed his views since then. The only reason Somerby has ever given for Sanders being unelectable is his age, but isn’t his past record a factor as well?

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  17. Am Lizzy Dixon from Canada, I want to quickly tell the world that there is a real online spell caster that is powerful and genuine, His name is Chief He helped me recently to reunite my relationship with my husband who left me, When i contacted Chief he cast a love spell for me, and my husband who said he doesn't have anything to do with me again called me and started begging me to come back. he is back now with so much love and care. today i am glad to let you all know that this spell caster have the powers to restore broken relationship back. because i am now happy with my husband. To anyone who is reading this article and needs any help, Chief can also offer any type of help like, Court Cases, Pregnancy Spell, Spiritual protection and lot's more. You can contact him Via his email chiefdrlucky@gmail.com call or add him on whats-app with his phone number +2348132777335 Website: http://chiefdrluckysolutionhome.website2.me/   














    Am Lizzy Dixon from Canada, I want to quickly tell the world that there is a real online spell caster that is powerful and genuine, His name is Chief He helped me recently to reunite my relationship with my husband who left me, When i contacted Chief he cast a love spell for me, and my husband who said he doesn't have anything to do with me again called me and started begging me to come back. he is back now with so much love and care. today i am glad to let you all know that this spell caster have the powers to restore broken relationship back. because i am now happy with my husband. To anyone who is reading this article and needs any help, Chief can also offer any type of help like, Court Cases, Pregnancy Spell, Spiritual protection and lot's more. You can contact him Via his email chiefdrlucky@gmail.com call or add him on whats-app with his phone number +2348132777335 Website: http://chiefdrluckysolutionhome.website2.me/   

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  18. Oh, my goodness! So thankful to  Dr PADMAN,  https://padmanspell.com/index-3.html   for bringing my ex lover by white magic spells …and now I am enjoying my relationship and i want to recommend this great spell caster to anyone that truly needs an urgent solution… Whatsapp +1949229386 Email; (info@padmanspell.com) site Web: https://padmanspell.com/index-3.html (padmanlovespell@yahoo.com)

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  19. I want to use this opportunity to thank  @Drbowsolutionhome for restoring back my home when i taught all hope was lost. My husband left for another woman and i met this great spell caster online and i explain my situation to him, after 2 days my husband came back to me and he is now as i want him to be. You can contact aikodion  for any kind of spiritual email Drbowsolutionhome@gmail.com orwhatsapp number+2348121786772  

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  20. Hello, my name is RITA CARMEN and I have been trying to get pregnant for over 12 years. i have been looking for ways online for so long, I first did Depo Provera Shot which i consecutively took every three months in order to get pregnant or fertile, but there was no way from it. I did Depo shot for 3 years constantly until my Doctors in Australia told me to try IVF because I had Endometriosis stage 4 and I resulted to try IVF (In Vitro Fertilization). For months after my IVF no progressed and my situation became worse that my husband had already had plans or getting married to another woman because I was barren. I read a testimony about Prophet Abulele how he had helped so many women with pregnancy problems and also how he usually casts return spells to bring back partner and make one fertile. Of all options tried, I gave Prophet Abulele a try. I am now a mother of a baby boy. For over 13 years of my marriage I received my help from this spell caster. I want to impact on someone's life and make the person get help from a good spell caster. Prophet Abulele's email is:- prophetabulelehealingtemple@gmail.com and his WhatsApp is +2349022406159 once you contact him, he will help you fast.

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  21. Some ladies are just so heartless and wicked, Gratitude to Priest Aziba who broke the black magic spell that was placed on my man over 5 months ago, my Man started acting so arrogant,rude and shows no more love and care to neither me nor the kids, so i took to the internet to get a review of what went wrong and how i could put an end to all the dramas with him and i saw a review about a Love Dr who is specific in FAMILY REUNIONS by name PRIEST AZIBA who then discovered that my Man was placed under a black magic spell (VOODOO) by his Ex so PRIEST AZIBA broke the black magic spell (VOODOO) out from him within 48Hours and made a love spell for us to Restore the lost love we once had and over some few days ago he did the spell all has been so cool and lovely like it was from the beginning so i know lots of women has lost there home or losing it already, seat up its not too late get that divorced Marriage or broken relationship back again, fight for your home and take the step i took and i will equally write down his direct contacts so y'all who's having same issues in your home or Relationship can do like i did to fight for what's yours.
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  24. My husband left me for another woman after one year of our marriage. I needed him back desperately because i loved him so much. I became very worried and needed help. On this faithful day  as i was browsing through the internet, I came across a particular testimony about this good DR IROSI help get ex back fast and stop a divorce or breakup and so on , So I felt I should give him a try. I contacted him and he told me what to do and i did it then he did a (return Love spell) for me. 28 hours later, my husband came back to me crying and begging for my forgiveness. Today I’m so happy and i want to recommend this great spell caster to anyone that truly needs an urgent solution to his or her broken relationships and marriage email him at:(DRIROSISOLUTIONCENTER@GMAIL.COM) Simply contact the great “DR IROSI” If you have any problem contact him and i guarantee you that he will help you., do not cry anymore-contact this powerful spell caster now. Thank you DR IROSI for saving my broken relationships and brought my husband back to me!” email him at: (DRIROSISOLUTIONCENTER@GMAIL.COM) or call/whatsapp him via: +2348118829771.    

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  26. Everyone wanted a relationship that lasts forever, you have to respect your husband, because your relationship will last forever, just as you want me to respect my husband so much that I follow his rules. But after many years of marriage, my husband came home from work and was very sad. I tried to talk to him to leave the house and he told me that you want a divorce. I was very frustrated and confused because I love my husband so much. when we have two children together, I don't know what to do by luck. I met a friend of mine who referred me to a kind and powerful man named Dr. Winner, who cast a love spell that took my husband home successfully. very grateful for the help of Dr. Winner Email him now Winnersspellcast@gmail.com or you can also whatsapp him +2348138289852 or view his website:https://winnersspellcast.blogspot.com in my family, all thanks to you for saving my marriage, my husband, now he loves me more than ever

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  29. I am sharing this testimony to partners suffering in their relationships because there is an enduring solution.
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