WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 30, 2022
A portrait of disorder: Yesterday, we mentioned the fact that Rachel Maddow played video clips of Nick Fuentes on her weekly show Monday night. Today, we can offer you this link to those video clips.
Watching him on videotape, Fuentes strikes us as transparently disordered. Reading about him in the New York Times last weekend, we wondered how a person can be this far gone by the age of 24:
HABERMAN AND FEUER (11/26/22): Former President Donald J. Trump on Tuesday night had dinner with Nick Fuentes, an outspoken antisemite and racist who is one of the country’s most prominent young white supremacists, at Mr. Trump’s private club in Florida, advisers to Mr. Trump conceded on Friday.
In recent years, Mr. Fuentes, 24, has developed a high profile on the far right and forged ties with such Republican lawmakers as Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia and Representative Paul Gosar of Arizona, largely through his leadership of an annual white-supremacist event called the America First Political Action Conference.
A Holocaust denier and unabashed racist, Mr. Fuentes openly uses hateful language on his podcast, in recent weeks calling for the military to be sent into Black neighborhoods and demanding that Jews leave the country.
Mr. Fuentes, who attended the bloody far-right rally in Charlottesville, Va., in 2017, is best known for running a white nationalist youth organization known as America First, whose adherents call themselves groypers or the Groyper Army. In the wake of Mr. Trump’s defeat in 2020, Mr. Fuentes and the groypers were involved in a series of public events supporting the former president.
At a so-called “Stop the Steal” rally in Washington in November 2020, Mr. Fuentes urged his followers to “storm every state capitol until Jan. 20, 2021, until President Trump is inaugurated for four more years.” The following month, at a similar event, Mr. Fuentes led a crowd in chanting “Destroy the G.O.P.,” and urged people not to vote in the January 2021 Georgia Senate runoff elections.
On Jan. 6, 2021, Mr. Fuentes led a large group of groypers to the Capitol where they rallied outside in support of Mr. Trump. The next day, Mr. Fuentes wrote on Twitter that the assault on the Capitol was “awesome and I’m not going to pretend it wasn’t.”
According to the Times, Fuentes is king of the groypers!
He's also "one of the country’s most prominent young white supremacists." Personally, we'd search for language which sounds less laudatory if we were to offer a capsule account of such a clownish, inane lost soul.
On a journalistic basis, some of those descriptions and accounts of Fuentes' statements were less specific than we would like. For example, we're told that he's a "white supremacist," but we aren't given the actual statements which justify that account.
(He inanely called for the army to be sent into black neighborhoods in order to address street crime.)
Similarly, it seems to us that some of the video clips Maddow played have been over-edited. That said, Fuentes strikes us as plainly disordered as we watch those clips. And good God—he's only 24!
How should such a disordered person best be described? In our view, we tend to confer power on such people when we fail to say, in the simplest terms, how disordered—how inane—their statements and their personal demeanor make them seem.
How do people get this way when they're still in their teens? (Fuentes would have been 17 at the time of the Charlottesville lunacy.) We'd like to see (carefully selected) medical / psychiatric specialists asked to speak on such points.
Meanwhile, it seems to us that we grant such people increased power when we say how "prominent" they are, while failing to say how idiotic and disordered their behaviors make them seem.
"I pity the poor immigrant," Bob Dylan wrote long ago. (He was speaking metaphorically.) As we've said before, it seems to us that Dylan's description of this pitiable soul is a perfect portrait of Donald J. Trump.
("Who eats but is not satisfied, who hears but does not see. Who falls in love with wealth itself and turns his back on me.")
We regard Fuentes as being clownishly disordered—as someone who needs tons of help, and is therefore to be pitied, even as we search for ways to keep him from influencing others and thereby causing harm.
Go ahead and view those clips. We think we see a disordered, objectively loony lost soul. What do you think you see?
"For example, we're told that he's a "white supremacist," but we aren't given the actual statements which justify that account."
Yeah, dear Bob, investigate, by all means. Investigating lib-triggering trolls is extremely important. ...to your tribe.
“Fuentes would have been 17 at the time of the Charlottesville lunacy.”ReplyDelete
That happened in 2017, so five years ago.
24 minus 5 = ??
Also Somerby still has not figured out the part about indigenous people not accounting for 40% of trans Atlantic slave trade (duh!), but is equal to that in size.Delete
Somerby is truly a dumb as shit moron, just like his fanboys.
I was wondering about that, too, but decided that it's 17(base 12).Delete
“How do people get this way when they're still in their teens? (Fuentes would have been 17 at the time of the Charlottesville lunacy.) We'd like to see (carefully selected) medical / psychiatric specialists asked to speak on such points. “ReplyDelete
Speaking of inane: People “get this way” (whatever that means) for a variety of reasons. Assuming that person y is disordered, as Somerby assumes Fuentes is, there is no way psychiatrist x is automatically going to know the specific circumstances that led person y to believe thing z. There may be no definitive “reason” at all.
Of course, Somerby has not described what is so disordered about Fuentes that merits that label in journalistic reports about him.
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You don’t call people disordered based on their political beliefs. He is labeled prominent based on his organizing efforts and leadership. Look at the Republicans suporting and encouraging him! Somerby cannot dismiss them as readily.ReplyDelete
Nobody of any importance supports Fuentes.Delete
Not even Kanye West who surprised Trump by bringing him along to a dinner meeting (in order to stir up the media).
"Nobody of any importance supports Fuentes."Delete
When did you become a Republican politician? I ask because of your complete dismissal of Republican voters.
MTG and Paul Gosar support FuentesDelete
I think we read Bob trying to put the most benign spinReplyDelete
on the ugliest aspects of the right. Like most such ugliness,
Fuentes stupidity seems firmly grounded in religious
bigotry of the most obvious kind, which means he
sounds identical to toxic nitwit Yiannopoulos, who
some (like Bill Maher) were trying to pass off as
a legit advocate for awhile.
interesting Bob (lazily?) sticks to MSNBC's
coverage, it's been covered across the board.
Maybe he like to see quality pundits like Joyce
Vance so he can hate post on them, calling them
preening ducklings, etc.......
Fuentes is a run of the mill, typical right winger - aka Republican.ReplyDelete
"We think we see a disordered, objectively loony lost soul."ReplyDelete
Hitler seemed to us to be a disordered, objectively loony lost soul, and yet he did a lot of damage to the world. Somerby should focus less on calling people disordered and more on how we can all protect our society from such people. He NEVER talks about that.
You protect society from Hitlers by de-emphasizing race and gender and focusing upon the commonality of Homo sapiens. .Delete
You must really try that sometime, Trump voter.Delete
Sure thing, Pot.Delete
Speaking of the border, do all lives still matter?Delete
Who is being shot while illegally crossing into the U,S.?Delete
@5:33 yeah, that worked real well with Hitler.Delete
Whether they are being shot or not, their lives like all lives, still matter. Unless you think "All Lives Matter" was just a Right-wing bullshit line used to silence black people who demand equal justice.
Unquestionably their lives matter.Delete
Does give anyone the right to illegally enter another country?
What makes you think Cecelia doesn't know "Black Lives Matter" was just a Right-wing bullshit line used to silence black people who demand equal justice?
Cecelias "confusion" has always been an act.
“Even as we search for ways to keep himReplyDelete
from influencing others and thereby causing
Such as…. giving him every possible
benefit of the doubt, and portraying
his critics as liars and crooks, until
you will not even listen to them
anymore? (Trump Trump Trump…)
The way you fight Fuentes or anyone who is hateful is by countering their ideas.ReplyDelete
Free speech defeated bigotry almost hundred years ago. That's why you never hear bigotry anymore.Delete
"How do people get this way when they're still in their teens?"ReplyDelete
If you think this is disordered wait until you see some of the grade school teachers on Tik Tok selling gender perversion. It's why the GOP won the house.