THURSDAY, MAY 11, 2023
Mr. Gorbachev, build up that wall: Finally, it was finished.
Donald J. Trump had spent a bit more than an hour making a series of absurd misstatements and talking over Kaitlan Collins.
Now, a gaggle of CNN reporters and analysts began to discuss what they'd seen. Actually, two separate gaggles had been assembled. The two groups of observers spelled each other as the post-mortem proceeded.
It was time to discuss what Trump had said. The first group started like this:
TAPPER (5/10/23): And let's get right to it! With me here in studio, CNN's Audie Cornish, Abby Phillip, Dana Bash, John King, Laura Coates, and Jamie Gangel.
Let me start with you, Dana. We don't have enough time to fact-check every lie he told. But he started off, with the election one. And, boy, he really just never let that bone go!
BASH: And it's pretty clear, the evidence is now out there, that he is going to continue to tell that lie, not just to the audience, where he has an echo chamber, conservative media, but unbiased, straight down, the middle media. The people he's trying to get, beyond his base, now saw and heard that this is something that he will not let go of, the 2020 election lies.
They started in our tribe's standard way. In our own viewing chamber, several analysts emitted this sarcastic cry:
Mr. Gorbachev, build up that wall!
Was Donald J. Trump telling "lies" last night? It's certainly a possibility! That said, it all depends on how crazy, or on how impaired, the former president is.
Might he believe the things he says? Within the past year, we've seen anti-Trump analysts from George Conway on down saying that yes, it is possible. And if Trump believes his crazy statements, then his flagrant misstatements are crazy, but his flagrant misstatements aren't lies.
We don't know how crazy Donald Trump is. We don't know what he believes.
We do know this:
For decades, it was standard journalistic practice to stay away from the ascription of "lies." Journalists understood a specific type of limitation:
It's relatively easy to know if a statement is false. It's much harder, perhaps impossible, to know if some statement's a lie.
There is, of course, a second problem with the instant ascription of lying. The word is a well-known discussion stopper—a type of "fighting word."
If you say that someone is lying, a whole lot of people will quickly stop listening. And the truth is, Tapper and Bash have no way of knowing which of Trump's absurdly inaccurate statements qualify as "lies."
At some point during this Trump era, our blue team journalists developed a bad idea. They decided that they could show how fearless they are if they began to say "lies."
Their predecessors had refused to go there. With silly bravado, they decided that they would.
Today, our journalists love to show their courage by leading with the word "lies." Here are the headlines which currently sit atop reviews of last night's town hall disaster:
At the Washington Post:
CNN’s Kaitlan Collins tried, and tried, to rebut Trump’s election lies
At The Atlantic:
In an unhinged town hall, Donald Trump repeated familiar lies and tested new talking points.
We agree that the evening was unhinged. That said, the term "flagrant misstatements" packs a much greater punch than the more childish term "lies."
(Try it! CNN’s Kaitlan Collins tried, and tried, to rebut Trump’s flagrant misstatements.)
We'd also say that Collins erred to some extent in one approach last night. When Trump would say the last election was rigged, she would say, "No, it wasn't."
TRUMP: A lot of the people—a lot of those people in this audience, and maybe a couple that don't, but most people understand what happened. That was a rigged election, and it is a shame that we had to go through it.
It's very bad for our country, all over the world, they looked at it and they saw exactly what everyone else. You look—even if you just look recently with the 51 intelligence agents, that made a 16-point difference. If you look at the FBI—
COLLINS: Mr. President—
TRUMP: If you look at the FBI and Twitter, they call it Twitter Files, it made a big difference. If you look at True the Vote—
COLLINS: Mr. President, back what you just said there, though. It was not a rigged election. It was not a stolen election. You and your supporters lost more than 60 court cases on the election.
It's been nearly two and a half years. Can you publicly acknowledge that you did lose the 2020 election?
TRUMP: Let me just go on...
"Let me just go on," the disordered man said. And, at that point, he did!
Trump kept saying the election was stolen; Collins kept saying it wasn't. As big fans of Kaitlan Collins, we'd love to see a hypothetical Collins come out with the question not asked:
HYPOTHETICAL COLLINS: Mr. President, you've been making this very serious charge for well over two years. And yet, you've never produced any sort of "white paper" in which you attempt to lay out some sort of factual basis for your deeply serious charge.
When you make that deeply serious claim, people in this audience believe you. Why have you never been willing to lay out your evidence, if you have any, in such a way that all our journalists, and all our citizens, can evaluate your very serious claim?
Is it possible that you don't have any evidence? Don't you owe it to these people in this audience to offer some sort of evidence for your deeply serious charge?
Tapper and Bash display performative courage by bravely saying "lie." At that point, large numbers of people stop listening. Meanwhile, has Donald J. Trump ever asked why he won't put up or shut up?
We offer our standard last point:
Donald J. Trump seems to be deeply disordered. On this morning's Morning Joe, Tom Nichols actually referred to him as "a disordered sociopath."
That's the horse we've been riding on over the past many years! That said, brave journalists like Tapper and Bash refuse to discuss such obvious possibilities with qualified medical specialists. Instead, they convince blue tribe viewers that they're being brave when they drop their L-bombs.
The gentleman seems to be badly disordered. None of our heroes will say so.
This is all they're willing to do. Aside from its entertainment value, it doesn't seem like it's enough.
"Was Donald J. Trump telling "lies" last night? It's certainly a possibility!"
ReplyDeleteAre we seriously supposed to allow Donald Trump to refer to a stolen 2020 election without pushback? And yes, he is lying. He hired two companies to investigate voter fraud and irregularities and they each found nothing. That means he KNOWS the election was not stolen. Pretending otherwise so distorts reality that it is unthinkable that anyone in the media should collude with Trump's delusion by letting him tell it, over and over.
This is so obvious that I am concerned for Somerby's sanity.
Trump’s not lying to us. He’s lying to the rubes on the Right. Some Righties know he’s lying, but they excuse his lying because they crave his bigotry.
DeleteBob’s saying that he might be disordered, which means that he knows not what he does. It makes sense.
DeleteNo, it doesn’ make sense.
DeleteTrump’s mental status is irrelevant. If he says untrue things, only the truth matters. Voters should understand that electing someone who does not tell the truth is bad for the country. We need journalists to tell us what is true.
Someone can be disordered and know exactly what they’re doing. That’s why amateurs shouldn’t diagnose.
Delete"And if Trump believes his crazy statements, then his flagrant misstatements are crazy, but his flagrant misstatements aren't lies."
ReplyDeleteThey aren't truth either. There is no reason to accept them as such, humoring Trump. That isn't even therapeutic. It doesn't matter what Trump believes. What matters is what is true. The allegiance of cable news must be to truth, not Trump.
You say crazy disordered man tells misstatements, I say he lies. I think I am being kinder to him. I am not saying he is bugfk crazy, that's nasty. I am saying he knowingly lies to his tribe to attain power. That is calling it a politician's strategy, not name calling it the rantings of a disordered crazy man.
Delete"And if Trump believes his crazy statements, then his flagrant misstatements are crazy, but his flagrant misstatements aren't lies."
ReplyDeleteBut those flagrant misstatements disqualify Trump from holding public office or any position of responsibility. We would be crazy to give him back any power. He can tell his lies or misstatements in a padded room, or on a secluded beach, but not in the White House.
If Trump were a grifter and con artist instead of deluded, would it make any difference in terms of his electability? He would be just as unfit, just as George Santos is. But Santos is not a millionaire, so he is being treated appropriately by our justice system.
ReplyDeleteTrump is a grifter.
DeleteWe are a country of laws and principles, systems and institutions, yet right wingers - Trump, his voters, his supporters like Somerby - are enraptured by cults of personality, which makes the circumstance be that whether Trump grifts, lies, rapes, or even perhaps murders, his voters and supporters will bow at his feet.
The fundamental societal conflict for roughly the last 10k years has been between the left and the right: egalitarianism and equality versus hierarchy and dominance. This resulted from humans moving away from immediate return societies to surplus based societies that led to privatization and commodification of natural resources. The knife edge existence that the aforementioned society produces has propagated human tragedies: a few winners with the rest on a broad spectrum of losers; traumatizing abuse, particularly in childhood; an obsession with dominance and hierarchy; oppression.
Dr Bandy Lee says Republicans are afflicted with what she calls Trump Contagion. She says they are stuck in survivor mode such that reasonable persuasion has no effect. She says Republicans are pulling our country down a death spiral.
Electoral politics no longer (if it ever did) depend on persuasion; it’s all about motivation, and right wing voter suppression. In 2020, 1) the Biden campaign, for the most part, avoided engaging with Trump, but when they did, Biden called Trump a clown, to his face, and 2) due to Covid, logistical barriers to voting were lessened; the result was Biden won big.
In 2018 and 2020, establishment, neoliberal, centrist, third way, capitulating Dems did not fare well, however, Dems that ran on policies that support people’s material needs, ran on identity politics and wokeness, ran on calling out oppression, such as racism - those Dems also won big.
"They decided that they could show how fearless they are if they began to say "lies.""
ReplyDeleteI think they decided to declare their allegiance to truth instead of power. When I hear the word "lie" attached to Trump, I think "yay, yay, yay, yay" because I know the media is in safe hands, finally,
Trump's statements are true or false independent of what Trump believes about them. That independent truth is what journalists should focus on. When Trump has had every opportunity to be confronted by conflicting evidence and refuses to amend his statements, then he is truly telling lies. We know he knows his statements are untrue, because he was given the truth and refused it. No president has the right to do that. No sane human either. Denying reality leads to mental illness, especially when the incongruence between truth and lie becomes so great that reality must be distorted in major ways to maintain the delusion.
If Trump is mentally ill he shouldn't be giving Town Halls. He should be residing in a psychiatric facility where he can be evaluated and helped and most importantly, prevented from harming others.
Somerby cannot argue that Trump should be treated as a serious candidate if he is walking around believing massive and consequential lies (such as that women let you assault them when you're a star).
I am not willing to take Somerby's ideas seriously any more, unless he calls for Trump to stop running for the presidency by reason of mental illness.
It was actually Boehlert and a few others who got them to stop using the term “misstatements.”
DeleteSomerby creates a hypothetical Collins, pretending no one has ever challenged Trump's beliefs that way before. He is wrong. In the 1/6 Hearing, many Republican members of Trump's staff described their efforts to tell Trump the truth and his refusal to hear them. They are in no doubt that Trump knows he is telling lies. And these are Republicans!
ReplyDeleteCollins has no magic wand for obtaining a different outcome, even with Somerby's preferred wording.
When the audience refuses to listen when Tapper and Bash talk about lies, it may be because of Somerby's unceasing efforts to portray the media as incompetent and untrustworthy. The audeince has faith in Trump because he tells them, over and over, not to believe anyone else. Phrases like "performative bravery" when Tapper calls a lie a lie, indicate that Tapper is not doing anything important and that Tapper may even be politically motivated when he calls Trump's statements a lie. But Tapper is right and Trump is lying and the audience needs to stop believing Trump's crap. If Somerby cared about our nation, he might help the media to convince audiences that lies are lies and Trump is conning them.
You cannot continually tear down the media and then expect them to be strong and effective when our democracy is under threat from someone like Trump. When Somerby refuses to acknowledge Trump's lies, he is no better than a Trump who refuses to acknowledge election results.
He’s saying that Trump might be crazy. Then you don’t know if he’s lying or not.
DeleteTrump is not crazy. Somerby is not qualified to diagnose Trump.
DeleteIf he might be crazy, he also might not be. Also, it’s possible that person x might be crazy. Who is supposed to know?
DeleteCarefully selected mental health specialists, according to Somerby, although he goes around diagnosing people right and left, without any expertise.
Delete7:36 “crazy” does not determine whether one lies or not.
DeleteSomerby’s preferred mental health professional is Dr Bandy Lee, she says it’s not the Trump and his supporters are “crazy” but that they suffering from being stuck in survivor mode and as such reasonable persuasion has no effect. She says Trump and his supporters are dragging our country down a death spiral.
It is possible you are as well stuck in survivor mode, as you exhibit the traits. We don’t know for sure, but it seems possible. You are likely a good and decent person, just lost in the lovely deep and dark woods.
Bandy Lee has also called for Trump to be prosecuted.
DeleteAs any sane person would.
DeleteTrump has been indicted in NY, and is set to be indicted in Georgia as well as by the federal Justice Department.
Delete"brave journalists like Tapper and Bash refuse to discuss such obvious possibilities with qualified medical specialists"
ReplyDeleteQualified medical specialists are not going to discuss Trump's mental health with the press. It is a violation of Trump's privacy (if he has been evaluated) and a violation of professional ethics (if he is being labeled without evaluation, which he will not agree to). This has been explained here over and over. Somerby's fixation on this idea is akin to a delusion. Perhaps he thinks that politics will be magically fixed if only someone will call Trump crazy. But it isn't obvious that Bandy Lee made any progress, after she did that.
Pathologizing a candidate will look like political interference by doctors. But more than that, Somerby never explains why it is not sufficient to attack the lie, instead of Trump the person. If the lie about the 2020 election were effectively refuted to the public, it would lose its power for Trump. That is what the 1/6 Committee tried to do with its hearings (which Somerby largely ignored).
I think it is a much better idea to use the truth to fight lies, than to use doctors to fight Trump. But the ones who are trying to do that in the media, are being opposed by Somerby, and I don't understand why they would be. Somerby has a blog. He could debunk a specific Trump lie every morning, and do a lot more good than he is doing now with his media attacks.
"It was the first word out of their mouths!"
ReplyDeleteThat's because such lies are generally the first word out of Trump's mouth!
The second amendment is evil.
ReplyDeleteSomerby perhaps thinks it is OK to grab and kiss women without consent, but he is too afraid to try it. Far easier to mock the "performative bravery" of journalists.
ReplyDeleteWhen did he ever say it was ok to do that?
DeleteHe is siding with Trump on that. He has never expressed concern or sympathy for Carroll.
Delete7:51 the excessive literalism you exhibit is a indication that you are likely on the autism spectrum, and as such are unable to communicate or understand communication normally; normal communication will seem confusing to and your responses will be incoherent, and thus irrelevant.
Delete"The gentleman seems to be badly disordered. None of our heroes will say so."
ReplyDeleteSomerby is leading a campaign in favor of ad hominems. Forget when Trump says, and just call the guy deranged. That way we wouldn't have to refute each and every lie. Similarly, forget campaigning against Biden's record or plans for his next term. Just call him an old fart and you can claim he is too old to be president again, without any of the effort of taking him seriously as a candidate (much less incumbent).
It isn't nice to let a child believe in Santa Claus beyond a certain age. Similarly, it isn't nice to leave Trump supporters clueless about the lies Trump tells. Eventually, they will find out and feel betrayed and even more distrustful. If we care enough about our fellow Americans, we owe it to them to keep telling them the truth.
They won’t listen. And we can still refute his derangements.
DeleteRe: The War in Ukraine
ReplyDelete“I don’t think in terms of winning and losing.”
“I think in terms of getting it settled so we stop killing all these people and breaking down this country.”
tell me who is "deranged" again?
Sure. Putin has no choice but to bomb and kill ordinary Ukrainian citizens, men, women and children.
Delete5:44 Putin doesn't have a choice. That's the point. Not only that, he has no choice but to win. Ukraine joining NATO is an existential threat to Russia. That's why the whole affair is flirting with nuclear armageddon and extremely dangerous.
DeleteUkraine joining NATO is an existential threat to Russia.
DeleteBullshit, NATO is a defensive alliance. And Ukraine hasn't joined NATO. Putin is a petty punk with delusions of grandeur,
Any country joining NATO is not an existential threat to Russia.
DeleteNATO is an alliance that essentially holds that if one country in the alliance is attacked, all the other countries in the alliance will defend the attacked country.
NATO only represents an existential threat to imperialism.
"Any country joining NATO is not an existential threat to Russia."
DeleteOne has to laugh at how stupid you are.
It’s clear that NATO, which is purely a defensive organization, provokes the kind of Putin apologia that 8:40 spews forth to excuse his invasion of Ukraine and the killing of innocent civilians.
Delete8:40 One has to cry at how stupid you are.
Delete"NATO is a defensive alliance"
DeleteThey defended themselves really well in Serbia and Libya and now they want to defend themselves in the Straits of Taipei. (Gas pipelines in the Baltic Sea must look out for themselves, though.)
So, because NATO intervened in Serbia and Libya, you support Putin’s invasion of Ukraine and his killing of innocent civilians?
DeleteMmmm I see, throw the baby out with the bath water.
DeleteIf Wilder wasn't a Horseshoe-Effect lefty, one would think he's trying to be funny.
DeleteA major underlying cause for those and similar conflicts is imperialism. NATO can be criticized, it’s flawed just like nearly every institution with similar goals, but it’s transgressions are dwarfed by the pernicious stain of imperialism. You might as well attack chemo for causing nausea, ignoring that it’s also killing the cancer.
DeleteDefund the Supreme Court.
ReplyDeleteWhat about the child who is born with genitals of both sexes? There are 41 genetic abnormalities that result in an intersex child. Is it anyone’s business how parents and their child’s doctors help such a child? Should it be a matter of politics?
ReplyDeleteWhat happens if a baby boy has a circumcision accident? Do you even know?
Gender is a social construct, with little utility.
DeleteIn reality, there are as many genders as there are people.
A woman is whoever identifies as a woman.
Gender’s only useful function is to identify groups that are being oppressed, in order to facilitate those groups obtaining rights to diminish the oppression.
Was the election stolen? Here's what we know:
ReplyDelete1. There's no evidence that it was stolen.
2. AFAIK there have been few if any thorough audits of the election. I think Arizona may have done a pretty thorough audit.
3. If the election was stolen, it's not clear that any kind of audit can prove that it was stolen. If a large number of absentee votes were fraudulent, how can that be proved after the fact? We don't know who cast all these absentee votes, so we can't go back and ask each voter whether their vote was rigged.
Just as a matter of logic, 60 court cases don't prove that it wasn't stolen. Almost all of these decisions involved lack of standing. They do reinforce point #1-- there's no evidence that it was stolen.
I don't think it's nuts to believe that an election was stolen, even though there's no evidence that it was, because there's no definite evidence that it wasn't stolen. Many people people think JFK's Illinois election was stolen. Some think that the Georgia Gubernatorial election was stolen a few years ago. Some believe Gore really won Florida. They may or may not be right. We'll never know.
We’ll never know if any election was really legit. By your logic. Thus, the entire Democratic experiment rests on a total uncertainty. I hear that a lot of dead people voted for Lincoln. WE’LL NEVER KNOW, WILL WE?
DeleteWhat in the world doesn't rest on a total uncertainty?
DeleteDavid, the more attention the 2020 election got, the less likely it was stolen. Trump cannot emotionally handle losing. This has nothing to do with the actual election.
DeleteAudits were done in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin which all confirmed the results and the lack of any fraud.
Delete@8:39 - Do you know what was done in these audits?
DeleteTrump does have a reason to be suspicious. He got 12 million more votes than in 2016.
DeleteAnd Biden got 15 million more votes than Hillary. What is your point, David?
DeleteDavid, yes we know what was done in those audits (several of them done by organizations sanctioned by Republicans).
DeleteEvery successive election will generally have more votes, as population increases. Apparently what happens is…well biologists call it reproduction.
In 2020, to accommodate Covid, unnecessary barriers to voting were eased, which resulted in record high turnouts, particularly with 18-34 year olds - a group that tends to be progressive and leftist. Obviously if you’re for progress and against fascism, you’re not going to vote for Trump.
@9:36 -- since you know what was done in all the audits, would you share that knowledge with the rest of us?
DeleteThey found no irregularities that would change the outcome of the election.
DeleteI don't think it's nuts to believe that an election was stolen, even though there's no evidence that it was, because there's no definite evidence that it wasn't stolen.
DeleteYes, but your judgement is fucked up, David.
Here in America we don't generally have to prove a negative. You think you're being clever and cute but you come across as an ignorant ass.
The greater the election turnout, the worse your party of magats does. This is fundamental and both sides understand this. That is why your fucked up party of fascists stay up nights working up ever more sinister ways of suppressing votes.
David,
DeleteYou know that Republicans can only win elections by suppressing the votes of minorities. That's one of the things I like about you.
Somebody made a statement that was true about audits being conducted. If you want to question their validity, do your own goddam research and get back to us, DIC
DeleteCircumcision is genital mutilation.
ReplyDeleteOn the spectrum of genital mutilation, as it’s commonly practiced, it’s on the gentler, milder side, but it is mutilation.
DeleteHaving said that, as a sexually actively female, I’ve seen them all, and while in general sucking a guy’s cock is more a chore than anything else, I won’t go down on one not circumcised. This is a sentiment shared by most of my female friends.
I’m not necessarily opposed to sticking one in, but, and here’s the irony, it’s got to be covered.
We live in a giant spiral galaxy.
ReplyDeleteOr a candy bar.
DeleteNo. It’s definitely a giant spiral galaxy.
DeleteOk party pooper
DeleteNot in all states. What happens when it goes wrong?
ReplyDeleteIf you say Trump is deranged, or dumb as Somerby said in an earlier post, does that obviate the need to analyze the clear intentions he has for governing and for punishing his enemies? Does it mean you simply label everything he says as deranged, despite the fact that he has made the Republican Party bend to his will, and his policy ideas are identical to those of the Party?
ReplyDeleteI think it is dangerous, but also dismissive of Republican Trump supporters, to make
your principal critique of the media that they don’t speculate about Trump’s mental state.
Trump has many, many flaws. But, to anyone not suffering from TDS, he's obviously smart and he's incredibly funny. He could succeed as a stand-up comedian. Not that being a great comedian makes someone a good President.
DeleteOr that a retired actuary can be very incisive.
DeleteGrabbing women by thw p***y is hilarious.
DeletePeople who worked with him describe hm as incredibly ignorant and stupid.
What you laugh at says a lot about you. Trmp laughs at people with disabilities.
Not a Trump supporter, trying to be charitable, I could say Trump is not smart but is slick, clever, and savvy, to a degree.
DeleteHis sense of humor is based on bullying and dominating others, so even politics aside, I don’t find him amusing. Right wingers are amused because they feel free to indulge in their trauma-borne obsession with dominance, which naturally engenders a giddiness among them.
The best comedy, the best laughs, come naturally from interacting with your friends and family. Commodifying comedy seems weird, like paying someone to breathe, or poop.
OK, DIC, favor us with one or a few of his hilarious stand up quality jokes.
DeleteDuring Covid, Somerby was upset that news channels were airing Trump’s daily press conferences.
ReplyDeleteHe attacked CNN in 2016 for giving Trump too much air time.
Where is that criticism now?
Actually, there’s been a lot of media criticism of CNN going on over at MSNBC.
You're retarded. It must be horrible to have your brain.
DeleteThe question is whether CNN should have aired this town hall, which was essentially a campaign event for Trump, with a handpicked Republican audience. That’s a compelling question, don’t you think? Why give a deranged man free air time? Somerby’s earlier criticism is still valid.
DeleteIn 2016 this kind of coverage was a boon for Trump, since his politics were not as well known, but now it may be a different story - there’s no one left to persuade and it’s unlikely to have any motivational effect on voting in 11/24. Biden has already used it to make a pretty decent attack ad.
DeleteI also found it interesting that one cable channel is willing to critique another. Somerby used to talk about the “guild” and its “rules”, ie, that they would never criticize each other.
DeleteIn the long run, I think this performance will hurt Trump more than it helps him. Trump supporters who watched it loved it, but they were always going to vote for him. A larger number will be will be shown snippets where he said things that were false or where he was rude or obnoxious.
DeleteThe one benefit to Trump is that it shows he still has all his marbles (or as many marbles as he ever had.) Biden could not have handled a session analogous to this one. But, I think the public doesn't care whether Biden is compos mentis.
Biden has always been of sounder mind than Trump, even on Trump’s best day.
DeleteA couple pertinent differences are that Trump is willing to partake in uppers, and Biden is unwilling to partake in naked corruption.
DeleteBiden could not have handled a session analogous to this one
DeleteYou mean a "Town Hall" where the audience was packed with friendly Democrats and many former Democratic campaign workers and operatives and donors? Where applause were permitted but booing was not? Facing questions from a lightweight 31 year-old right wing Tucker protege with no experience doing anything like this before? Yeah, I'd put my money on President Biden.
Biden gave a State of the Union where he was heckled and interrupted numerous times by that pack of fascist baboons you call a political party.
You find him funny, eh David? Were you giggling when he called his rape victim a "whack job"? Pretty brave of him to attack his victim again when he knew she would be defenseless to respond. He didn't have the balls to testify where he could be cross examined, but taking cheap shots from a safe distance is just his style, aint' it David. Donald J Chickenshit, future stand up comic. Bwahahaha!!! You're one sick puppy.
Any media member who doesn't call Trump "a loser" is either lying, or is mentally disordered in some way.
DeleteEverything Mh says is correct, the idiot who calls him retarted is sub mental. But can we find a way to speak of Trump that does not let his sickening Party off the hook? Some guy on the GB used to scold us on using the word “treason”, that it’s a specific word that has a specific meaning, blah blah blah… but the followers he deliberately worked up have been found guilty of insurrection now. The Republicans who would not find him guilty after January 6th and Impeach him are traitors who stabbed their Country in the back.
DeleteMeant “Guest Book” for GB, should have said comment section.
DeleteDavid, all do respect (zero), up yours. Biden had to roll with dubious Americans heckling him at the State of the Union. He handled it brilliantly. Will your BS right wing radio talking points ever mean as much as your Country.
DeleteLeave it to Bob to be mesmerized by a failed real estate conman from Queens.
ReplyDeleteIt's not a lie, if you can get morons to believe it.
ReplyDelete