PEOPLE: Troy fell during a Brone Age war!

TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 13, 2024

Our war involves (mis) information: Below, we'll show you something Greg Gutfeld said on red tribe cable last night.

One hour before the gentleman spoke, we saw Rachel Maddow deliver a beautifully reasoned, hour-long broadcast on our own tribe's "cable news" channel.

For us, the brilliance of Maddow's presentation came very, very late in a less impressive, 15-year game. We'll get to that as the days roll by—but last night's program excelled.

At any rate, the people who people these warring battalions are demographically distinct. That said, they constitute two of the major armies currently arrayed in the field as the siege of the Biden White House enters its final year.

At times like this, we often think of Carlotta Valdes, the character in Hitchcock's widely-praised Vertigo who occasionally seizes Kim Novak's soul. At those time, the Novak character mournfully recalls all the human destruction and death which have gone before.

It seems to us that there's a lot we contemporary people can learn from those earlier human wars. There are things we can learn about ourselves as people—about the impulses driving our conduct in the course of this current war.

That said:

To the extent that it actually happened, the fall of Troy was part of a Bronze Age war. The leading authority on that age describes that era in the manner shown:

Bronze Age

The Bronze Age is a historic period, lasting from approximately 3300 BCE to 1200 BCE. Characterized by the use of bronze, the use of writing in some areas, and other features of early urban civilization, the Bronze Age is the second principal period of the three-age system proposed in 1836 by Christian J├╝rgensen Thomsen for classifying and studying ancient societies and history. It is also considered the second phase of three, in the Metal Ages.

An ancient civilization is deemed to be part of the Bronze Age if it either produced bronze by smelting its own copper and alloying it with tin, arsenic, or other metals, or traded other items for bronze from producing areas elsewhere. Bronze is harder and more durable than other metals available at the time, allowing Bronze Age civilizations to gain a technological advantage.

"A technological advantage" accrued to those engaged in Bronze Age war. This brings us to sacred Homer's Trojan War, which may or may not have occurred:

Trojan War

The Trojan War was a legendary conflict in Greek mythology that took place around the 12th or 13th century BCE. The war was waged by the Achaeans (Greeks) against the city of Troy after Paris of Troy took Helen from her husband Menelaus, king of Sparta. The war is one of the most important events in Greek mythology, and it has been narrated through many works of Greek literature, most notably Homer's Iliad...

The ancient Greeks believed that Troy was located near the Dardanelles and that the Trojan War was a historical event of the 13th or 12th century BC. By the mid-19th century AD, both the war and the city were widely seen as non-historical, but in 1868, the German archaeologist Heinrich Schliemann met Frank Calvert, who convinced Schliemann that Troy was at what is now Hisarlik in Turkey. On the basis of excavations conducted by Schliemann and others, this claim is now accepted by most scholars.

Whether there is any historical reality behind the Trojan War remains an open question. Many scholars believe that there is a historical core to the tale, though this may simply mean that the Homeric stories are a fusion of various tales of sieges and expeditions by Mycenaean Greeks during the Bronze Age. Those who believe that the stories of the Trojan War are derived from a specific historical conflict usually date it to the 12th or 11th century BC, often preferring the dates given by Eratosthenes, 1194–1184 BC, which roughly correspond to archaeological evidence of a catastrophic burning of Troy VII, and the Late Bronze Age collapse.

Carlotta Valdes is speaking to us as we read that passage. That said, what in the world was "the Late Bronze Age collapse?" The authority riddles it thusly:

Late Bronze Age collapse

The Late Bronze Age collapse was a time of widespread societal collapse during the 12th century BC, between c. 1200 and 1150, and was associated with environmental change, mass migration, and destruction of cities. The collapse affected a large area of the Eastern Mediterranean (North Africa and Southeast Europe) and the Near East, in particular Egypt, eastern Libya, the Balkans, the Aegean, Anatolia, and, to a lesser degree, the Caucasus. It was sudden, violent, and culturally disruptive for many Bronze Age civilizations, and it brought a sharp economic decline to regional powers, notably ushering in the Greek Dark Ages.

The palace economy of Mycenaean Greece, the Aegean region, and Anatolia that characterized the Late Bronze Age disintegrated, transforming into the small isolated village cultures of the Greek Dark Ages, which lasted from around 1100 to the beginning of the better-known Archaic age around 750 BC....

So it went among the palace economies of the Aegean in the Late Bronze Age collapse. To the extent that it may have occurred, the fall of Troy is listed as part of that widespread societal failure.

At any rate, Troy fell as part of a Bronze Age war. It was fought on the wide plains outside Troy with death-dealing Bronze Age weapons—with weapons that tore human flesh.

It was fought in hand-to-hand combat, with bodies of the dead dragged behind chariots, as was the norm at the time. By way of contrast, the war we're fighting as part of the current siege of the Biden White House is a war of the (so-called) Information Age.

Our war is being fought through the weapons of information, though we'd be inclined to say that the term is routinely misused. More often, this war is being fought with misinformation or disinformation—with claims that are misleading. flatly false or absurdly fanciful, with claims that are meant to distract or mislead or confuse.

Our modern information war is also fought with the coarsest possible insults. Last night, on the Fo News Channel's Gutfeld! show, a certain 59-year-old man was quickly describing President Biden in the following way:

"An ice cream eating cadaver that farts dust."

So he said at 10:03 p.m., in his opening "monologue." 

Earlier, at 10:02, this 59-year-old manchild had told his several million viewers what Hillary Clinton is possibly thinking, now that President Biden has been assessed even more unfavorably in this new ABC / Ipsos survey:

Maybe she's thinking, though, thinking that she can replace Biden once Gavin Newsom and Michelle Obama kill themselves.

The fantasy that Michelle Obama will replace President Biden at the top of the Democratic ticket is constantly fed to red tribe viewers on Fox. In this case, the fallen man / boy who sits on the throne of this primetime "cable news" program added the image of Newsome and Obama, dead at their own hands.

All in all, there is nothing this channel won't put on its air, no image too coarse, ill-advised or unseemly to consider:

"An ice cream eating cadaver that farts dust!" In all honesty, Maddow once came approached this level of conduct, back in the Tea Party days, over the course of six programs spread across two separate weeks.

We thought she showed extremely poor judgment at that point in time; Jon Stewart chastised her for what she'd done. On the whole, though, the people who people our blue tribe's channel, Maddow certainly included, don't stoop to that remarkably low level. 

(It's also true that our higher new org simply ignore such red tribe conduct. By now, Gutfeld's conduct has been thoroughly normalized. It happens off there, in a forbidden zone "somewhere [high end journalists] have never travelled, gladly beyond any experience.") 

The world will be a better place if Greg Gutfeld can ever make himself better. That said, he's being rewarded for what he does, and what he does helps propel an enormously restive red army.

The warring groups on our red and blue channels are demographically distinct groups of people. They can be thought of Broadsheet Nation versus Tabloid Nation, even as Ivy League Nation versus Less "Highly Educated" Nation, though Gutfeld himself is a graduate of Berkeley.

On the plains outside the walls of Troy, Achilles sent Hector to the House of Death using Bronze Age weapons. The potent weapons we're using today are entirely different in form, and the groups of people we see on cable are demographically distinct.

That new survey from ABC seems to say that the red tribe people are winning. We will continue to ask you this question:

Why do you think that is?

Tomorrow: Chris Hayes is a good, decent person. Does he watch red cable?


164 comments:

  1. Bob Edwards has died.

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  2. "An ice cream eating cadaver that farts dust!"

    A bit radical perhaps, but how does it compare to, say, Kathy Griffin's stunt with President Donald Trump's head?

    And that was a long time ago, 2017 maybe? So, who do you think is responsible for all this low-IQ shit? Your own tribe, it seems to me.

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    1. Correct me if I’m wrong, but Kathy Griffin didn’t have a prime time nightly show on a major “news” network being pumped into homes across the country.

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    2. @9:51 AM
      She is pretty ubiquitous. I'd say, probably better known than Gutfeld.

      And that's just one I heard of. I don't watch moonbat comedians on state-run national TV networks, but I have no doubt that they've done plenty of "cadaver that farts dust"-style one-liners over the last 8 years.

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    3. Turns out those "Fox shows are the highest rated shows on cable" Facebook posts, are just as much bullshit as Right-wing economics.
      Who, but those who can spot bullshit when they hear it, knew?

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    4. Kathy Griffin was on C-Span? Why didn't anyone tell me?

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  3. Question, in all honesty: does Somerby disagree with Gutfeld’s characterizations of Biden? He (Somerby) hasn’t exactly praised Biden’s vigor.

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    1. Somerby will never say. He doesn't like to be pinned down about what he believes, and you know, anything is possible. Biden may actually fart dust in Somerby's world.

      If he does agree with Gutfeld, it supports my contention that he has been misrepresenting his politics here, most likely for years.

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    2. Yes, which leads me to wonder if he actually disapproves of Gutfeld’s humor as humor. It feeds into Somerby’s narrative of an old, feeble loser Biden. Somerby keeps repeating it here.

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    3. Clueless commenters displaying their cluelessness. It's almost like they're faking it to drive a narrative. Oh that's right, they totally are.

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    4. Why does Somerby keep repeating Gutfeld’s “jokes” about Biden’s age, while also telling his readers that Biden is too old, 12:29? It’s become Somerby’s main topic of late.

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  4. Today let's not insult or ridicule David and Cecelia. We disagree with them, of course, but we can be polite and respectful.

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    1. Is this a mutual non-aggression pact or are we just going to go belly up while they spread their lies?

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    2. Hey liberals remember when you said you had to vote for the center cause nobody on the left is electable? How do you feel now?

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    3. Hey liberals? What are you doing here, and so early in the morning (or is it evening at your troll farm)?

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    4. You're afraid of me so you label me a troll. Stop being so afraid of everyone and just be yourself not some identity.

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    5. This feeling you have that the comments belong to you supremely before me is unconscious middle class white normative gatekeeping which you try feebly to enforce with inaccurate negating label of troll.

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    6. It is reasonable to expect that comments will be populated by people who wish to discuss issues raised by the blog writer, in this case Somerby. When people come into the comments section without that intent, but merely to interfere with ongoing discussion, it is reasonable to call them trolls. No one said you can't post your troll garbage. My questions was what you are doing here and whether you come from a troll farm. A simple "no" would suffice instead of your defensive reaction against imagined suppression of your non-thoughts.

      I may or may not be white or some other ethnicity, and middle class is a huge assumption on your part. We cannot even tell whether Cecelia is female here. Ascribing demographics to people you do not know is just a form of name-calling, given that you think it is OK for conservatives to be white and middle-class but if liberals are, then it is a form of hypocrisy?

      I am not afraid of you, but I am annoyed by you and the other paid meddlers in our democratic system who have no thoughts of their own, but are given a script of talking points to push in other people's communities.

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    7. Sorry if I ASCRIBED to you class status you like to pretend doesn't exist

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    8. Don't you have some Steven Pinker book to finish reading liberal?

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    9. “We cannot even tell whether Cecelia is female here.”

      I’ve already told you that I am not female here.

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    10. I am a troll, but I’m not associated with any troll farm. We can’t be certain that Cecelia is female, but I think she is. All of Steven Pinker’s books are worth reading.

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    11. Steven Pinker is far from liberal.

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    12. Class status does exist, but you don't determine it using the limited info you get about a commenter on the internet.

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    13. As Lady MacBeth says, “Unsex me here.”

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    14. Anonymouse 10:35am, I have been insulted on X and blogboards in ways that were so elegantly humorous, insightful, and accurate that reading them to the old man has sent him into conniptions of laughter and comments such as “They don’t know how right they are.”

      Anonymices are not perspicacious or stylish.

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    15. "(Macbeth, Act 1, Scene 5) In Act 1 of Macbeth, Lady Macbeth, sensing her husband's shaky resolve in committing murder to secure the crown of Scotland, asks spirits to “unsex” her ‑ to take away the “weaknesses” associated with being female."

      @11:57 -- you may be a tad too literal. Lady M is pushing her husband aside because he cannot get the job done.

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    16. Anonymouse 11:57am, she wouldn’t be the first woman to have said that, albeit in another context.

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    17. So you like to be insulted?

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    18. Cecelia, we already know that your conservative sense of humor is a mismatch with the way many of us think here. Saying that we have no wit because we don't insult you cleverly misses the point of what most of us are trying to do here.

      Stylish putdowns are part of troll behavior, not good faith discussion. And really, it sounds like you would be happier spending your time in conservative playgrounds. As I noted last week, commenters there seem to agree with each other, amplify each other's comments, and there are far fewer trolls (unless you consider them all trolls).

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    19. Anonymouse 12:09pm, I can’t help but enjoy people being humorous and insightful.

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    20. Anonymouse 12:10pm, I understand that this is your profession. I don’t have to approach commenting from that angle.

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    21. Cecelia, they despise you because you are genuine, and it reminds them how they are not. We don't have to all agree on every issue, but we should at least agree to be genuine.

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    22. Middle class white people voted for Trump specifically because they think the world shines out of their ass and he told them it does too. The media and education system talk about their issues and they feel like the center of things.

      "Today let's not insult or ridicule David and Cecelia. We disagree with them, of course, but we can be polite and respectful."

      Who made this random reader King?

      Why not be open to other perspectives every day and try to include more of them not gatekeeping fewer? You are too damn used to being the center of attention, middle class people.

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    23. Being nice instead of insulting and ridiculing is now a perspective. Gosh darn. Well I'm open to it!

      Your post is idiotic and ridiculous. How'd I do?

      Heh heh

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    24. I despise Cecelia because she is conservative and lacks empathy for anyone except herself, makes and laughs at crude, offensive, mean jokes, and visits this blog only to attack other commenters, never to express views on anything written by Somerby.

      How genuine can someone be if they are on a blog pretending to be female but actually male? Isn't that called catfishing?

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    25. Anonymouse 3:17pm, my guess is that would be called transgendering.

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    26. Another word you don’t know the meaning of.

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    27. Perhaps she means misgendering?

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  5. The right wing builds movements to fight the left and center.

    The center often criticizes movements momentarily look more moderate and loses momentum.

    Then the center picks a movement to prop itself up with when the right wins.

    We better hope the American centrists
    hear about more movements than Trump soon.

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    1. So, then, can we assume you support No Labels?

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    2. I support campaign finance reform long term and whichever party has highest unionization rates short term. So usually my voice and support doesn't go to individual campaigns but issues.

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    3. Did you notice that Hillary had more diversity among her campaign staff than Obama did?

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    4. No, I don’t notice diversity.

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    5. Does that mean you are a single issue voter? Is that the right way to choose a candidate or shouldn't you consider a pattern of strengths and weaknesses? For example, Biden's age may be a liability (and is certainly an identity issue) but his experience offsets that, especially in foreign relations. It is fair to suggest that he was able to pass recovery legislation early in covid because of his senate experience and prior relationships in congress as a senator.

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    6. I personally don't really care if he's old. Old people can be politically involved too. They're not just there to be discarded. I disagree with much of his foreign policy for his choices not his age.

      Biden had some of his time in the sun thanks to the center of the party making a temporary peace with the progressive center left. He's approving more unions and people are generally fighting inflation for now.

      But it's clear Americans do not have unlimited patience, we have so little traction on how expensive college is, medicine and housing too.

      My politics do not involve being a salesman for a party but to work on these issues long term and so I mostly work on campaign finance at my local level.

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    7. “ whichever party has highest unionization rates”

      News flash: the GOP is opposed to unions, 100%. (Well, except police unions, I suppose). The Democrats support and have always supported unions. Biden has been strongly supportive of unions. Why would you consider the GOP?

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    8. You have to consider the money itself or you just get caught in the popularity contest

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    9. @12:18 is the guy who keeps crapping on the DNC, as if it were something other than an apparatus for running candidates in elections.

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  6. RFK Jr's Superbowl Ad was paid for by a PAC that is funded by a major Trump donor. His entire campaign is a ratfucking operation by Trump supporters intended to pull votes from Biden under false pretenses (the Kennedy name). RFK Jr does not have the support of his other relatives and he does not reflect Democratic Party ideals. If he is going to be on the ballot, he will need access provided by the Libertarian Party.

    https://robertreich.substack.com/p/the-disgrace-and-danger-of-robert

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    1. Elections are actual popularity contests not a monopoly game you can simply call cheating on

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    2. 10:48: But it’s useful to know who is funding the candidates. No?

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    3. Make Polio Great Again

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    4. Then isn't it useful to know that the college loan industry donated more money to Biden than Trump?

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    5. Trump made his own contribution to the college loan industry with his failed Trump University that bilked students out of millions in loans they took out to attend and had to pay back even though they received no value for the money. The class action suit was settled at $25 million for the students. If anyone was subsidizing the college loan industry, it was Trump, with his fraudulent university.

      College workers also contributed more to Biden than to Trump, by 5 to 1.

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    6. People under 45 with student debt are leaning to Trump over Biden and have real grievances. They could swing toward Trump unless Biden steps up his game on economic justice. Unfortunately the liberals don't believe anything is possible about anything.

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    7. We create this mess every year we don't fix campaign finance

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    8. The only way Republicans can win is buying publicity, so why not fix the issue which is campaign finance? This isn't Stalinism. You are allowed to reform your local government.

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    9. 11:22: I have said this a dozen times, but if those people want to vote for Trump, so be it. But Trump and the republicans oppose any student debt relief, so a vote for Trump will not change their loan status. At least Biden and the Democrats are willing to try to help. It will just be cutting off their nose to spite their face to vote for Trump, since they will also be voting for more tax cuts for the wealthy.

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    10. If you want more honest politicians then don't ask them to fundraise as part of their job

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    11. No it's not so be it. You have a chance to participate in education of your fellow citizens since the media are failing us

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    12. 11:25: “we?” Federal campaign finance reform is almost dead in the water, thanks to the conservatives on the Supreme Court, who equate money with free speech. The Democrats cannot reform this by themselves. And by the way, I know of only Democrats who in recent years have sworn off corporate funding for their campaigns. Republicans are welcome to do the same.

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    13. 11:30; I just educated the public with my comment at 11:28.

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    14. See even the trolls are afraid of me trying to claim credit for my posts

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    15. You don't need federal permission to change campaign finance at the city or state level. This isn't Stalinism..

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    16. If Connecticut already has Fair elections then the rest of the country can copy them.

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    17. With the shift from costly advertising as a driver of campaign spending, it should be possible for people to run effective campaigns without requiring so much funding and that should improve access for candidates at local and state levels. Unfortunately, streaming entertainment services are moving toward using ads, which will recreate the TV situation, but social media can be accessed to compete with such ads.

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    18. It's not just about what is possible but what's right. If the people who win elections tend to be richer than average then you already created a system that isn't democratic.

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    19. “ You don't need federal permission to change campaign finance at the city or state level. ”

      The US Supreme Court absolutely can determine the constitutionality of state laws. Surely you’re aware of that.

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    20. “ you already created a system that isn't democratic.”

      You? The founding fathers were wealthy educated elites, many of them lawyers. I agree that there is too much money in politics, by the way.

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    21. The supreme Court could do anything tomorrow. Are you going to let some pompous windbags decide what you do in the moment?

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    22. A friend of mine has a professor who will say the names of Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, but solely refers to Trump as “the president between 2016 and 2020”.

      She says it’s as though he thinks Trump is Beetlejuice and saying his name too many times will get him re-elected.

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    23. TDS is a serious mental illness.

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    24. “ Are you going to let some pompous windbags decide what you do in the moment?”

      They do get to decide, whether they’re pompous windbags or not. Several states (not just Connecticut) do have campaign finance laws. Notably, most are blue states. I don’t know where you live, but it’s a tough struggle to get a predominantly Republican legislature to pass campaign finance reform, just as they can’t seem to stop the urge to massively gerrymander.

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    25. Since some readers like to pretend Bob is running a media criticism blog, what are the chances the media will support campaign finance reform, even though their finances are tied to election advertising (and corporate tax breaks)?

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    26. "You? The founding fathers were wealthy educated elites, many of them lawyers. I agree that there is too much money in politics, by the way."

      You really should read the new bio of Samuel Adams by Stacy Schiff.

      https://www.amazon.com/Revolutionary-Samuel-Adams-Stacy-Schiff/dp/0316441112

      It is fascinating, very funny at times, and gives a detailed picture of how our revolution happened and the formation of our nation. It will perhaps change your view about those who were involved, especially Adams, without whom the revolution might not have happened when it did.

      He is nothing like your view of elites despite being educated at Harvard, the son of a brewer, a member of the British establishment and a friend of many wealthy New Englanders. Who would have better access to foment a revolution? But where did his ideas come from, given his placement in society?

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  7. Biden was smart for calling out grocery store gouging. He has cards to play it's just usually the risk of losing to Republicans used to carry less threat until Bush and Cheney let the crazies into politics. So now you actually have to be afraid with us that we could have a skinhead president

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    1. Yes, a demagogue always had cards to play. He can falsely blame high food prices on corporate greed. He or his surrogates can falsely call conservatives “racists” while simultaneously attacking Clarence Thomas. He can blame Trump for all the illegals immigrants. Of course, he will never admit his own responsibility for foulups.

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    2. It is hard to know where to start addressing the lies in this short little paragraph. Thanks for the realistic illustration of what right wing lies look like, David. It must strike real fear into the heart of Clarence Thomas as he watches Trump be taken down for his corruption. And it isn't an attack when justice is served on someone as corrupt as Thomas has been.

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    3. Donald Trump is a German American homeopathic crypto Nazi with an exhibitionist streak.

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    4. Having a dumb sadist in power is bad for most things we want to do with governments to do their normal functions

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    5. Dick in Cal is ideologically precluded from conceding price gouging is real. He still has his head up Trump's corrupt ass.

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    6. David is probably still re-counting the attendees at Trump’s inauguration, convinced that it was bigger than Obama’s.

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    7. Why was Trump's dad at a white supremacy rally?

      Why does Trump want to build a monument to a race invasion theory he profits from?

      Why are all his friends racist?

      Why did he forget the name of his own Black media representation?

      Why is he obsessed with Obama?

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    8. Because Obama has a bigger dick.

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    9. People really are so used to racism being normalized they think Trump is just mildly humorous and not actively wishing for the death of a good portion of the world

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    10. Anonymous 10:52am, I think “grocery store gouging” is a real issue too. Not only have food companies made their offerings smaller while increasing the price, they’ve drastically reduced the quality.

      Biden’s timing was terrible, but the criticism is justified.

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    11. @11:37 and Cecelia -- A few days ago I explained the numbers. Food prices have gone up a lot. And, as Cecelia accurately points out, some of the price increase is in the form of smaller packaging. A little of it is in the form of reduced quality. These factors show that grocers are masking some of the increase. They do not show that grocers are making higher profits.

      We know the size of the grocery store profits. These profits have gone up, maybe by 1 or 2 percentage points. That increase in profits is a very small part of the overall food price increase, which is around 25% IIRC.

      Evidently supermarket costs have gone up a lot. Supermarket are therefore increasing their food prices and masking some of the increase, but that's not price gouging.

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    12. I explained the numbers too and you apparently ignored what I wrote.

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    13. @!1:39 that's a good example of Trump's hyperbole. It wasn't literally true that his turnout was the biggest ever. But, his exaggeration was a actually way of saying that his turnout was very big.

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    14. Hyperbole = lying.

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    15. @7:15 -- How about metaphors? Are these lies?
      -- Laughter is the best medicine.
      -- She is just a late bloomer.
      -- Is there a black sheep in your family?
      -- His heart of stone surprised me.

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    16. Please quote Trump using such a figure of speech.

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    17. @8:31 When Trump said he could grab them by the pussy, that was hyperbole. When he said his demonstration was the largest ever, that was also hyperbole.

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    18. With the passage of time people's memories fade. This is what it was like listening to Trump's press Secretary doing "hyperbole" on his first day on the job.

      Dick in Cal of course is just a lying sack of shit.

      In his blistering debut as White House press secretary on Saturday, Spicer accused journalists of reporting inaccurate crowd numbers and using misrepresentative photographs “to minimize the enormous support” that he claimed the new president enjoyed at his swearing-in.

      “No one had numbers because the National Park Service, which controls the National Mall, does not put any out,” he said, before going ahead anyway to declare that Trump had attracted “the largest audience ever to witness an inauguration” in person and in the world.

      “These attempts to lessen the enthusiasm for the inauguration are shameful and wrong.”

      Crowd estimates can be fraught with difficulty and there is indeed no official figure. But images of the National Mall on Friday contradicted Spicer’s assertions – particularly when compared with pictures from Barack Obama’s inauguration in 2009 and the turnout for the Women’s March on Saturday.

      A timelapse video produced by PBS indicates that the National Mall was never full at any stage on Friday:

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    19. The investor/capitalist class is already on record saying they're price gouging.

      https://crooksandliars.com/2022/02/it-really-inflation-or-just-pandemic-price

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  8. Somerby calls the left "Ivy League nation" as if that were a bad thing, and then he goes on to call the red and blue tribes demographically distinct, as if there were no overlap between them in college attendance, skin color, economics, or anything else. This is ridiculous. The right wing is full of Ivy League grads (Gutfeld's Berkeley is #1 among public universities and #6 among public/private universities, which puts it right up there with Harvard, Princeton and Yale). Trump brags about graduating from Wharton, which is Ivy League. Only Lauren Boebert truly reflects her supposed base with her GED.

    Somerby's vendetta against academia is a right wing talking point, but that doesn't mean the right's thought leaders are not every bit as Ivy League as the left (which is somewhat more representative of the breadth of educational institutions across the US). Biden at least went to the University of Delaware -- not an Ivy League school, nor was the University of Syracuse, where he got his law degree.

    That should make Somerby's heart throb for Biden, but oddly not. Bernie Sanders went to the University of Chicago, ranked higher than many Ivy League schools.

    What did they DO to Somerby at Harvard to so warp his life and fixate him on his textbooks. Now he sits in front of Fox News 24/7 (by his own admission) re-reading the first chapters of his moldy copies of Wittgenstein and Homer. It is not a pretty picture of old age. He is the mirror of Trump himself, who sits in front of Fox News, obsessively post hate mail to Truth Social and drinking Diet Cokes. Our nation should thank God that Biden is more energetic than either of these old right-wing loons (Somerby and his Dear Leader Trump).

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    1. It's a bad thing that elites control politics you assswipe

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    2. There is a double bind here. Someone needs to be well educated in order to perform their work and yet they are criticized for it by know-nothings (and proud of it) because they did get an education. How do you think the government and politics could run if everyone were as ignorant as Trump?

      Skill and expertise matter. I doubt Somerby is getting his medical treatment from some idiot on the corner with a penknife and a bag of pills. Should foreign affairs be run by people who cannot find Gaza on a map?

      And note that this troll @11:08 cannot even spell asswipe properly. Shouldn't trolls have some minimal language skills in order to do their essential political work?

      If you define anyone who has control as an elite, regardless of where they went to school or how much money they had growing up (or currently have), then you don't have to think about what an actual elite might be. Just label your enemies and point your finger.

      Isn't RFK Jr. with his distinguished family inheritance an example of the ultimate elite in politics? Shall we deny him control -- the Republicans are courting him and their fatcats paid for his Superbowl ad (where he leaned heavily on his family's legacy in politics). But elites are bad @11:08 says. Let's not put RFK Jr. back in control, amirite you fucking clown?

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    3. Trump is the ultimate elite, but his followers think he’s just like them, or Jesus.

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    4. I don’t understand Somerby hate-read. It’s an addiction, I think, the compulsive reading of someone you despise.

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    5. Piper, it’s almost like hate-watching Gutfeld, someone you perhaps assume Somerby despises. He says we need to pay attention to people we despise.

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    6. The royalty in Europe used to have professionals who wiped the King's ass for them. It was a real job. It's what educated people do now.

      The US uses high school and college selection as a soft eugenics system it pretends to call a school system. Really it's a way to distribute power with forecasting of class status. Honors classes have few to no working class students or black, and those people grow up to be the next elite ass wipes, half red tribe, half blue tribe. The rest of us are fucked.

      Remember when the corporate liberals thought Trump was cute and patted him on his head and said that they hoped he a gonna do well? Now they blame rednecks when they invited him into the media in the first place. They forgot middle America and were duly punished for it. We all were.

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    7. Asss is a misspelling, but so is ass. The correct spelling is arse.

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    8. Anonymouse 12:04 I took the extra “s” as emphasis.

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    9. "Somerby hate-read"

      Yep. And that the local asswipes go on to compare it to Somerby's coverage of the dumb-ass Fox show. Big difference, he makes decent points about that show where the local idiots here, despite their education, lack fundamental skills and are pretty much incapable of commenting on anything except their illogical screeds which are bound to drive voters away. A godsend to the Republican cause.

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    10. Many of the Somerby critics here make decent points as well.

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    11. In a hit the dartboard occasionally because they throw so many kind of way? Maybe. But that's a low bar.

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    12. I’m just wondering why Somerby keeps posting Gutfeld’s jokes about Biden’s age. It’s almost all he posts about anymore. And it isn’t because Somerby thinks Biden is a spry, vigorous candidate.

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    13. Piped Piper, they’re Bob’s old girlfriends.

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    14. 11:53 - I'm sincerely interested. So you read Somerby every day looking for mistakes to correct to protect other readers from being misinformed? Do I have that right?

      Sounds noble. How does the evidence-free theory that Somerby is a corrupt stooge of Putin fit into that noble undertaking?

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    15. CC - The "scorned woman" theory is the best I've heard yet.

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    16. And all of the positive comments are Bob’s current girlfriends. (Sorry, Cecelia, that’s girlfriendS).

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    17. Somerby must get around more than Wilt Chamberlain.

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    18. Anonymouse 1:10pm, that what you “formers” say to yourselves as you poke pins into little cloth dolls.

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    19. Piped Piper, and has worst taste than all the spouses of The Real Housewives.

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    20. Bob never had any girlfriends.

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    21. "How does the evidence-free theory that Somerby is a corrupt stooge of Putin fit into that noble undertaking?"

      More "mistakes" to correct, obviously.

      Truth must be defended.

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    22. Cecelia, Somerby is single, never-married, defends Roy Moore and rhapsodizes over 12 year olds, such as poor dead Anne Frank (her photo was worth the price of the book about her), Malala (when she was young and tried to go to school), and most recently, the 12-13 year olds who made bracelets to raise $100 to send to Hawaiian fire victims. The heart wants what it wants, but it is unlikely any exes are writing stuff here about him.

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    23. Nabokov is one of my favorite writers. Many people read Lolita for prurient reasons, but the book is so beautifully written that it captures the tragedy of Humbert Humbert being trapped in his own desires and so out-of-step with society.

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    24. Anonymouse 3:00pm, or he’s the uncle of grown nieces, has fond memories of that time in their lives and that age group, and you’re the ex that he calls “the dumbest thing I ever did”.

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    25. Yeah, that's the ticket, Cecelia. Grown nieces. Amazing how many men check into hotels with their "nieces". Was it Somerby's African American niece who reminded him of Anne Frank?

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    26. 3:00 - So, now you're implying that Somerby is a paedophile. In my opinion, you are beneath contempt.

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    27. 11:53 - How does calling Somerby a paedophile and a corrupt stooge of Putin fit in with the noble enterprise of correcting Somerby's mistakes? Wouldn't you agree that these accusations are the product of hate-read? And don't you wonder why people continue to hate-read Somerby?

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    28. They’re definitely the boilers of bunnies type.

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    29. 11:53 - You think these are "teachers" who scour Somerby every day to try to twist his words into support for their ridiculous and hateful theories that he likes young girls and takes money from Putin to mislead liberals?

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    30. CC 3:40 - [rimshot, cymbal crash]

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    31. Somerby accuses himself with his words here.

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    32. Cecelia said “Piped Piper.” She ain’t cognitive any more. She’s just not the commenter she was two years ago.

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    33. Asshole Right-wingers (AKA Right-wingers) are looking to replace Cecelia with someone younger, less cognitively challenged, and female.

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  9. I’m just wondering what a Brone Age war is…?

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    1. A war that was fought with weapons created with the Bronze Age's level of technology.

      There is some controversy over whether the Iliad happened during the Bronze Age or not. Somerby is uninterested in any of the controversies over the poem. He is just using the story to fill up space in an essay where he seems to be paid by the word for what he writes. Today is a cut-and-paste rehash or prior essays. Nothing he says about Troy or Carlotta or any of the other allusions he drops means a damned thing. He is jerking everyone around while he scatters right wing memes into a framework of noise.

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    2. Somerby spelled it “Brone”, not “bronze.”

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    3. Sorry to miss that. It was already irritating me that Somerby focuses on Bronze Age when that is not agreed upon by scholars of that time period, so I read right past the mistaken spelling.

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    4. Maybe he meant Bone Age.

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  10. I went to Jimmie John’s and asked for spicy mustard on my sandwich. I was told they didn’t have any, and it was the president’s fault. I will be voting for Trump.

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    1. 1:09,
      That's "self-proclaimed sexual predator and serial rapist", Donald Trump, to you and I.

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    2. It's amusing that this comment makes the very mistake Bob describes in the post following this one. Namely, taking hyperbolic poetic language literally.

      When Trump used the phrase, "grab them by the pussy," he didn't mean that he literally grabbed women's genitals. A more complete quote makes it clear. Trump said,
      "And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything...Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything."

      Trump used that crude phrase to mean that famous me could easily seduce women. Note how vivid Trump's wording was.

      Whether intentionally or ignorantly, this sort of misunderstanding makes our spoken literature less amusing. The late Rush Limbaugh used to present funny April Fools Day stories on 4/1. Critics begin quoting them as if he meant it, so he stopped doing it.

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    3. David, David, David. Grab ‘em by the pussy means grab ‘em by the pussy.

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    4. Trump has been accused of doing this by several of the 20+ women coming forward, including E.Jean Carroll. Her testimony was graphic about what he did.

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    6. David,
      When Trump said he didn't steal classified documents and show them to Putin, was my favorite example of Trump using hyperbole.

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    7. "Not all Republican voters are bigots", is the height of using hyperbole.

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    8. David,
      So Trump isn't famous?
      Wait until 75 million Republican voters (and the mainstream press, who centered his 2016 Presidential election, because they though he was famous) hear the news.

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    9. "Hillary Clinton is corrupt and needs to be locked-up", was hyperbole that was misunderstood intentionally or ignorantly by Republican voters.
      Also, when Trump says he's rich....

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    10. Trump is a successful businessman?
      Obvious hyperbole.

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    11. "I'm going to drain the swamp".
      Obvious hyperbole.
      David, thanks for showing me how the game is played. This is much more fun than taking the words of a Right-winger serious.

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    12. @7:30 AM-7:58 AM
      Not taking your meds again?

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    13. 8:04,
      Nice hyperbole.

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  11. I’m an undocumented immigrant. I plan to vote for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. Twice.

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  12. This is one of the most important concerns in the upcoming election:

    https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/february-12-2024

    Today’s big story continues to be Trump’s statement that he “would encourage [Russia] to do whatever the hell they want” to countries that are part of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) if those countries are, in his words, “delinquent.” Both Democrats and Republicans have stood firm behind NATO since Dwight D. Eisenhower ran for president in 1952 to put down the isolationist wing of the Republican Party, and won.

    National security specialist Tom Nichols of The Atlantic expressed starkly just what this means: “The leader of one of America’s two major political parties has just signaled to the Kremlin that if elected, he would not only refuse to defend Europe, but he would gladly support Vladimir Putin during World War III and even encourage him to do as he pleases to America’s allies.” Former NATO supreme commander Wesley Clark called Trump’s comments “treasonous.”

    To be clear, Trump’s beef with NATO has nothing to do with money. Trump has always misrepresented NATO as a sort of protection racket, but as Nick Paton Walsh of CNN put it today: “NATO is not an alliance based on dues: it is the largest military bloc in history, formed to face down the Soviet threat, based on the collective defense that an attack on one is an attack on all—a principle enshrined in Article 5 of NATO’s founding treaty.”

    On April 4, 1949, the United States and eleven other nations in North America and Europe came together to sign the original NATO declaration. It established a military alliance that guaranteed collective security because all of the member states agreed to defend each other against an attack by a third party. At the time, their main concern was resisting Soviet aggression, but with the fall of the Soviet Union and the rise of Russian president Vladimir Putin, NATO resisted Russian aggression instead.

    Article 5 of the treaty requires every nation to come to the aid of any one of them if it is attacked militarily. That article has been invoked only once: after the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States, after which NATO-led troops went to Afghanistan.

    In 2006, NATO members agreed to commit at least 2% of their gross domestic product (GDP, a measure of national production) to their own defense spending in order to make sure that NATO remained ready for combat. The economic crash of 2007–2008 meant a number of governments did not meet this commitment, and in 2014, allies pledged to do so. Although most still do not invest 2% of their GDP in their militaries, Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and annexation of Crimea in 2014 motivated countries to speed up that investment.

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    1. Cont.

      "On the day NATO went into effect, President Harry S. Truman said, “If there is anything inevitable in the future, it is the will of the people of the world for freedom and for peace.” In the years since 1949, his observation seems to have proven correct. NATO now has 31 member nations.

      Crucially, NATO acts not only as a response to attack, but also as a deterrent, and its strength has always been backstopped by the military strength of the U.S., including its nuclear weapons. Trump has repeatedly attacked NATO and said he would take the U.S. out of it in a second term, alarming Congress enough that last year it put into the National Defense Authorization Act a measure prohibiting any president from leaving NATO without the approval of two thirds of the Senate or a congressional law.

      But as Russia specialist Anne Applebaum noted in The Atlantic last month, even though Trump might have trouble actually tossing out a long-standing treaty that has safeguarded national security for 75 years, the realization that the U.S. is abandoning its commitment to collective defense would make the treaty itself worthless. Chancellor of Germany Olaf Scholtz called the attack on NATO’s mutual defense guarantee “irresponsible and dangerous,” and NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said, “Any suggestion that allies will not defend each other undermines our security.”

      Applebaum noted on social media that “Trump's rant…will persuade Russia to keep fighting in Ukraine and, in time, to attack a NATO country too.” She urged people not to “let [Florida senator Marco] Rubio, [South Carolina senator Lindsey] Graham or anyone try to downplay or alter the meaning of what Trump did: He invited Russia to invade NATO. It was not a joke and it will certainly not be understood that way in Moscow.”

      She wrote last month that the loss of the U.S. as an ally would force European countries to “cozy up to Russia,” with its authoritarian system, while Senator Tim Kaine (D-VA) suggested that many Asian countries would turn to China as a matter of self-preservation. Countries already attacking democracy “would have a compelling new argument in favor of autocratic methods and tactics.” Trade agreements would wither, and the U.S. economy would falter and shrink.

      Former governor of South Carolina and Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley, whose husband is in the military and is currently deployed overseas, noted: “He just put every military member at risk and every one of our allies at risk just by saying something at a rally.” Conservative political commentator and former Bulwark editor in chief Charlie Sykes noted that Trump is “signaling weakness,… appeasement,… surrender…. One of the consistent things about Donald Trump has been his willingness to bow his knee to Vladimir Putin. To ask for favors from Vladimir Putin…. This comes amid his campaign to basically kneecap the aid to Ukraine right now. People ought to take this very, very seriously because it feels as if we are sleepwalking into a global catastrophe…. ”

      President Joe Biden asked Congress to pass a supplemental national security bill back in October of last year to provide additional funding for Ukraine and Israel, as well as for the Indo-Pacific. MAGA Republicans insisted they would not pass such a measure unless it contained border security protections, but when Senate negotiators actually produced such protections earlier this month, Trump opposed the measure and Republicans promptly killed it. ...

      The article goes on to discuss efforts to fund aid to Ukraine in congress. It is a very clear explanation of the current status of that legislation and the importance of NATO to our nation. That makes Trump's current remarks all the more irresponsible and his reelection untenable given today's world tensions. Elect Joe Biden, not just because he has the experience to handle foreign relations crises, but because he is not Donald Trump, who has sold out to Putin and Russia.

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    2. It's an important concern for warmongering neocons like Anne Applebaum and the idiotic propagandist Heather Cox Richardson. Ordinary people don't give a shit. "He invited Russia to invade NATO." Are you really that dumb to believe overwrought, fearmongering horseshit like that? Can't you tell when you're reading propaganda?

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    3. How does Biden have experience to handle foreign relations crises? We're in a number of them now and he hasn't done shit about any of them.

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    4. The trolls are back.

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    5. Any fool posting that the most important concerns in the upcoming election is that master of war Anne Fucking Applebaum thinks "Trump invited Russia to invade NATO" should trolled for posting the idiotic propaganda that it is. Something Trump said "will persuade Russia to keep fighting in Ukraine"?

      Hey, if you're dumb enough to post that and think it, you're going to get trolled.

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    6. 5:43,
      Where's your sense of humor?
      Seems Applebaum's hyperbole went right over your air-filled head.

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    7. I love trolling DNC bots and idiot-moonbats. Don't hate me for that. Or do. I don't really care.

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    8. 8:50,
      I get it. Trolling Right-wingers by agreeing with them, is hilarious. They lose their minds.

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  13. I’m an illegal alien. I support DEI, CRT, abortion, and all Democrat perversions.

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    1. Illegal aliens are too busy working to spend time on the internet. Don't encourage confused conservatives to think that anyone not a citizen is voting.

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    2. I'm a Right-winger who calls Democrats "totalitarians", because they want me to accept people who aren't exactly like me. That's why I'm voting for Trump, the Authoritarian, who took away women's reproductive rights.
      Fixed for accuracy.

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  14. I've applied for asylum. I want Pennsylvania to be renamed: Xijinpingsylvania.

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