DEBATES: Kilmeade opened the garbage can!

MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 9, 2024

A tale of two revolutions: In yesterday morning's print editions, the New York Times offered a front-page report concerning debate prep.

According to the Times report, Candidate Harris has gone all in, Candidate Trump a bit less:

Inside the Trump-Harris Debate Prep: Method Acting, Insults, Tough Questions

Vice President Kamala Harris is holed up for five days in a Pittsburgh hotel, doing highly choreographed debate practice sessions ahead of Tuesday night’s clash. There’s a stage and replica TV lighting and an adviser in full Lee Strasberg method-acting mode, not just playing Donald J. Trump but inhabiting him, wearing a boxy suit and a long tie.

The former president’s preparations are more improv. They are pointedly called not “debate prep” but “policy time,” meant to refresh him on his record. Nobody is playing Ms. Harris; sometimes his aides sit at a long table opposite him and bat questions back and forth, or other times he pulls up a chair closer to them. Mr. Trump has held just a handful of sessions so far, interrupting one at his Las Vegas hotel so he and his advisers could go up to his suite to watch Ms. Harris’s convention speech.

Candidate Harris has gone all in. As for Candidate Trump, let it be said that his "handful of sessions" dates back at least as far as Thursday night, August 23.

Whatever! Tomorrow evening's event stands at the end of a long and winding societal road. That road traces back to 1960—to the sudden emergence of a new communications medium.

All of a sudden, out of nowhere, the American people had television sets! Thus began the winding road which has taken us to the eve of tomorrow evening's event.

In The Making of The President 1960, Theodore White said that year's inaugural TV debates "confirmed a revolution in American Presidential politics." In a long and winding road of his own—attention spans may have been somewhat longer then—White described the spread of the new technology behind this revolution:

WHITE (page 279): ...Ten years earlier (in 1950) of America’s then 40,000,000 families only 11 per cent (or 4,400,000) enjoyed the pleasures of a television set. By 1960 the number of American families had grown to 44,000,000, and of these no less than 88 per cent, or 40,000,000, possessed a television set. The installation of this equipment had in some years of the previous decade partaken of the quality of stampede—and in the peak stampede years of 1954—1955—1956 no fewer than 10,000 American homes had each been installing a new television set for the first time every single day of the year. The change that came about with this stampede is almost immeasurable. 

We the people had new equipment—and White said the societal effects were substantial, even revolutionary.

Our TV sets now ruled the day. "Within a single decade the medium has exploded to a dimension in shaping the American mind that rivals that of America’s schools and churches," White wrote. He was speaking in the present tense—as the revolution occurred—and he offered this assessment:

WHITE: The blast effect of this explosion on American culture in the single decade of television’s passage from commercial experiment to social menace will remain a subject of independent study and controversy for years.

So the highly prescient author said! 

Theodore White's iconic book won a Pulitzer Prize in 1962. It had been published in July 1961, after being excerpted in an edition of Life magazine whose cover photo bore this title: 

A NEW LIFE FOR IKE DOWN ON THE FARM.

By clicking here, you can peruse every page of that edition of Life—and sure enough! Two months earlier, Newton Minow, the FCC chairman, had delivered a famous speech to television executives—the famous speech in which he denounced the product they were sending into American homes as "a vast wasteland."

For the record, Minow had been appointed to his post by a new president—by President John F. Kennedy! By common understanding, Kennedy's election may have been one of the fruits of the revolution White described in his Pulitzer Prize-winning book.

Now we're engaged in a great civil war—in another such technological revolution. Tomorrow evening's event will be taking place in the context of the "explosion on American culture" of that latest revolution—an explosion many of our traditional news orgs have gone to great lengths to ignore.

As of September 1960, television had burst on the scene and had entered American homes. As we noted in Saturday's report, Teddy White was appalled by the dumbing-down of American discourse which, or so he said, accompanied this event:

WHITE (page 291): ...[T]here certainly were real differences of philosophy and ideas between John F. Kennedy and Richard M. Nixon—yet rarely in American history has there been a political campaign that discussed issues less or clarified them less.

The TV debates, in retrospect, were the greatest opportunity ever for such discussion, but it was an opportunity missed. It is difficult to blame the form of the debates for this entirely; yet the form and the compulsions of the medium must certainly have been contributory. The nature of both TV and radio is that they abhor silence and “dead time.” All TV and radio discussion programs are compelled to snap question and answer back and forth as if the contestants were adversaries in an intellectual tennis match. Although every experienced newspaperman and inquirer knows that the most thoughtful and responsive answers to any difficult question come after long pause, and that the longer the pause the more illuminating the thought that follows it, nonetheless the electronic media cannot bear to suffer a pause of more than five seconds; a pause of thirty seconds of dead time on air seems interminable. Thus, snapping their two-and-a-half-minute answers back and forth, both candidates could only react for the cameras and the people, they could not think. And, since two and a half minutes permit only a snatch of naked thought and a spatter of raw facts, both candidates, whenever caught out on a limb with a thought too heavy for two-minute exploration, a thought seemingly too bold or fresh to be accepted by the conditioned American mind, hastily scuttled back toward center as soon as they had enunciated the thought. 

Theodore White was appalled by the "opportunity missed." In his view, this is what had happened:

In a bow to the very nature of "the electronic media," Candidates Kennedy and Nixon had been restricted to eight (8) minutes for their opening statements, then to a mere two and a half minutes for their answers to the questions they were asked.

White's assessment surely seems quaint today. "Two and a half minutes permit only a snatch of naked thought and a spatter of raw facts," he said in his famous book. That time limit—a concession to the demands of a new electronic medium—meant that the candidates had been unable to explore their ideas on various subjects in suitable detail. 

Tomorrow night's event will run on a different road. Stating the obvious, eight-minute opening statements would be viewed as unthinkable today. There will be no such opening statements at tomorrow evening's event.

Also this:

Tomorrow night, the candidates will be given two minutes to respond to questions. But in the June 27 Biden-Trump debate, the moderators frequently reminded the candidates that they had only used a small portion of their two-minute allotments in the "answers" they had provided to the questions they had been asked.

For the record, that was now—and White's book was written back then. Rightly or wrongly, he assessed the effects of the TV revolution in this manner:

WHITE (page 292): If there was to be any forum for issues, the TV debates should have provided such a forum. Yet they did not: every conceivable problem was raised by the probing imagination of the veteran correspondents who questioned the candidates. But all problems were answered in two-minute snatches, either with certain facts or with safe convictions. Neither man could pause to indulge in the slow reflection and rumination, the slow questioning of alternatives before decision, that is the inner quality of leadership.

White was describing the effects of one new communications medium. Almost surely, he couldn't have imagined the array of new media under which our failing discourse suffers today.

Tomorrow evening's event will suffer under the effects of a much broader "revolution." Theodore White, an erudite person—indeed, an egghead—could never have imagined the effects of this revolution. 

Most likely, he couldn't have imagined the two-hour "interview" with Candidate Trump staged by Mark Levin over Labor Day weekend on the Fox News Channel. 

We discussed that "interview" all last week. Could the highly erudite Theodore White have imagined some such thing?

Sadly, it gets even worse. Almost surely, White couldn't have imagined the garbage can Brian Kilmeade opened this past Saturday night as part of his weekly primetime show on that same "news channel." 

It's as we noted yesterday. Appearing on the type of podcast we discussed in Saturday's report, the retired "TV judge" Joe Brown had recently called Kamala Harris "a piece of shit." Beyond that, he had referred to Harris as the "humping hyena." 

This is one fruit of our new revolution. Also, that made Brown the perfect guest for Kilmeade's program on Fox, where one primetime star keeps asking if Hunter Biden has started "banging" or "f*cking" first lady Jill Biden yet.

(We've documented that astonishing conduct on three separate occasions. Elsewhere, it's nothing but silence.)

Theodore White was appalled by the alleged effects of one new medium—of the invasion of the TV set. Today, we labor under the strain of "cable news" and social media, and under the strain of the several other new media whose onset preceded the onset of those new media.

Kilmeade opened the garbage can Saturday night, as he so commonly does—as he is paid to do. Preparation for tomorrow's event takes place within the context of the astonishing culture these new "revolutions" have spawned.

The New York Times won't report or discuss that new, degraded political culture. (Neither will other cable news stars.) Could White have imagined that?

Tomorrow: Candidate Kennedy arose from a nap. Over at the Fox News Channel, it was time to hear from Joe Brown.


45 comments:

  1. Somerby quotes White about the lack of time allowed during a TV debate for deep thought. Does anyone believe that Trump could engage in such rumination? Not with all the time in the world.

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  2. Prior to TV, newspapers ran lengthy policy and campaign statements produced by each candidate's campaign, under their name. Prospective voters could read and compare them, but what proportion of the electorate was sufficiently literature to do that? Around that time, there were news stories saying that more than 25% of the people were illiterate. Compared to that situation, watching a TV debate seemed like a major step forward. It was a way for voters to see the candidates for themselves, without having them filtered through print, in a way that broadened access for the average voter.

    As children, my sister and I were taken to political rallies, coffees and other opportunities to meet the candidates. The League of Women Voters held forums for that purpose. No matter how restricted the answering time, the ability to watch candidates on TV was a great benefit to democracy because not every family could make the same effort to inform themselves before voting.

    Somerby seems to be saying that TV debates were a bad thing, the first step in our current decline. I don't believe we ever saw it that way in the moment. Nixon blamed TV for his loss, but what else is he going to say?

    Today, there is a slow food movement that is blaming restaurants for hurried meals. Does anyone here feel that they are missing the essence of the eating experience because they cannot have the time to ruminate over meals?

    I think that whatever deepness may have been lost during a candidate debate could have been more than made up by prepared candidate statements, which is essentially what this debate prep is about. A candidate should have boiled down such ideas as "why are you running?" and "what is the biggest issue facing Americans today?" and similar broad moderator prompts. The deep thoughts come during the presidency, not in a public debates.

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  3. "Tomorrow: Candidate Kennedy arose from a nap. Over at the Fox News Channel, it was time to hear from Joe Brown."

    Yesterday, Somerby said he was going to talk about Joe Brown today. Do we really need to hear about Joe Brown at all? Why?

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    1. So Somerby can repeat ugly stuff about Harris, something he seems to be a connoisseur of.

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  4. Trump's "policy time" is irrelevant to the debate because he is not going to stick to any script about policy issues during the debate, any more than he will think about the questions. He is going to give his rehashed stump speech anecdotes, tell a string of lies, and ignore what the moderators ask him to talk about. It is what he did last time and what he will do again.

    Why does Trump debate like this? Because he cannot focus his attention on what his handlers tell him, and because he cannot remember prepared statements they may give him to memorize on different topics. He cannot follow what Harris will say, much less make up zingers or cogent responses on the spot. He doesn't have the brain power for any of those traditional debate activities.

    If Trump is provoked, he will not have the ability to control his emotions. He will respond with some mean bullying remark that will make him look non-presidential and ugly, as his handlers are fearing will happen. That didn't happen during his debate with Biden because Biden stuck to the issues, but Harris knows how to needle Trump, in fact her very presence as a black female will trigger Trump's ugly side. He will become sarcastic (as when he says her name at his rallies) and move from there to name-calling. Harris will remain cool and win just by being the adult at the podium. And there is nothing Trump's staff can do to prepare for that eventuality.

    Somerby will call the debate a failure (as he is already doing), even though it will have done its job of exposing the character of the two candidates during a public exchange. MAGAs will feel that Trump owned Harris when he got nasty, while Harris supporters will feel like Trump blew it when he lost his cool. Just like Democrats in 1960 declared Kennedy the winner and Nixon the loser because Nixon sweated and Kennedy remained calm.

    Somerby will blame TV, but the ability to remain calm under pressure is also a leadership trait, so I don't see what the problem will be. I think Somerby/White are wrong about what debates test, what they show voters about candidates. It isn't the chance to answer questions deeply but the ability to stay in the moment and function under pressure that is being tested.

    We don't need 4-5 debates, as Somerby claims, because the qualities tested are revealed sufficiently in one session. If someone wants to know a candidate's policies, they are available online. Trump's are spelled out in the Project 2025 document. Harris now has an Issues tab on her official webpage, and is running on the Democratic Platform. Those policies were hashed out at length offline, where there was plenty of time for both input and thought. Why should off-the-cuff statements be better than that? Somerby doesn't say. But presidential decision-making does not consist of snap-judgments.

    As long as no moderator is going to ask Trump why he cannot pass up any opportunity to grift in office, we are not going to learn anything useful from the debate process, whether televised or released as a printed transcript after the debate. White is an old guy who wrote a book a long time ago. Somerby seems to like him a lot, but he is not commenting on the current situation (they DID have debates in the old days too), so how is he relevant now?

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    1. Somerby is setting the groundwork for softening the blow to Trump from losing the debate.

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  5. Garry Wills once took apart the White books pretty definitely, way, way back when.

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    1. I think you want to say 'definitively'.

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  6. Candidate Harris is doing the same debate prep as any modern presidential candidate has done. Nothing overboard. It is Trump who is being nontraditional (a polite way of saying that he is blowing off the prep because he won't do anything differently anyway).

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  7. When Trump was president, his staff described how they finagled him into glancing at bullet points by putting his name into whatever they wanted him to read. They said he wouldn't read anything and wouldn't listen to briefings.

    This is the man, 8 years later, who they now pretend is doing anything at all to prepare for his debate. Trump most likely believes the debate doesn't matter but he doesn't want to say so.

    This long-winded quote of White's book has nothing to do with Trump's inability to prepare, especially when he talks about the lack of time to think about an issue, when Trump has never invested such thought into anything. Look how he blows with the wind on the abortion issue and makes decisions to please whoever flatters him or offers him some grift. Was it deep thought that caused Trump to pick JD Vance as VP candidate? Or any thought?

    "Neither man could pause to indulge in the slow reflection and rumination, the slow questioning of alternatives before decision, that is the inner quality of leadership." White said (quoted by Somerby). Is there any evidence that Trump has ever done this kind of thinking in his entire life? Has he ever made a public statement in which he enumerated alternatives before choosing one, and then stated his reasons for his choice? Of course not. Any college paper in which he did this was most likely written by someone else. His deepest thought is "She wouldn't be the chosen one."

    So, this essay by Somerby makes no sense at all. It could be that Somerby's purpose is to show that Trump is not a suitable candidate for president, but instead Somerby quotes White and talks about Levin and Kilmeade and Brown, seeming to blame the debate format and the lack of interview skills on TV, instead of the oddness of this election in which an obviously unfit candidate is being advanced by one of our major political parties. Why are not the Republicans responsible for putting Trump on the ticket? Why are not the MAGAs to blame for not expecting more from their candidate? Somerby blames...wait for it...TV...the limited debate format...not enough debates...and not the demagoguery of an obviously deficient elderly old fool with makeup on his face and nothing in his head.

    TV has made it easier for all of us to see who Trump is. That's why his campaign has him appearing at fewer rallies, why Fox News is no longer showing his entire rallies, why they cut him off when he loses his train of thought. TV is doing its job just fine. It is the Republican party and the MAGAs who don't care as long as they win. And Somerby is focused on the wrong things, again, to the point that one wonders whose Zoom calls he receives each morning as he receives his talking points. Because instead of supporting Harris today, Somerby is portraying her as too wonkish and foolishly role-playing to prepare for a debate in which no actual thinking will be required. She is Tracy Flick, not a future president, because where is her deep thought amidst all that memorization?

    I am enthusiastically voting for Harris, if only because she takes our democracy seriously, trusts the American people and is working hard to be good at her job. No one can ever say that about Trump. And no one can say it about Somerby either.

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  8. The Harris campaign keeps releasing new ads but I have not seen a single one during this busy campaign season. It used to be that TV stations ran political advertising relentlessly before an election, to the point that we were all sick of such ads. Where have all the ads gone?

    Those who watch subscription movie channels and not cable news or broadcast news will only see ads on social media.

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/23/business/us-candidates-facebook-ads-targeting-invs/index.html

    This is a bigger change in how politics are conducted than holding TV debates (which Somerby calls a revolution). Political content is spread by websites, blogs, podcasts, and on Instagram and Tiktok. But just as they embed products into the content of shows and movies, political content is part of the shows themselves, spread via paid influencers. People can and do disregard explicit ads, identifiable as such, just as people have always used the ads to visit the kitchen during those 1960s TV shows. Are people as able to set aside the content introduced by influencers? Not to the same extent, which is why that kind of information spread is more valuable to candidates.

    There is no reason why Somerby could not be such a paid influencer. If Somerby were really interested in the way modern politics have changed along with media changes, he wouldn't be quoting White and ignoring social media, the way he has done for several weeks now. Fox is not the only or main source on the right, and MSNBC and the NY Times are not important sources on the left. But Somerby's rants are window-dressing for his actual messages, the right wing talking points and digs at Harris that Somerby embeds in his rants. Gutfeld is not running for office, Harris is. Somerby's pretense at criticizing Gutfeld is the vessel carrying the actual "ad" content, which is that Harris is somehow ridiculous in her debate prep while kool kid Trump is coasting into the debate without a worry. And White's book and Somerby's Trump is crazy mantra are just excuses to inject each day's bit of anti-Harris poison on a supposedly liberal blog that hasn't been liberal since at least 2015. If Somerby were to deal with the modern political media, his readers might wonder about his own place in it. Safter to talk about White's book, without addressing any of the controversies about it (at the time or later).

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    1. You're not fooling anybody. You pretend to criticize Somerby while conveniently bringing up his citing of White's book, thereby steering potential readers in the book's direction.

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    2. I read the book when it came out and didn't like it much. We were Stevenson supporters and the book was assigned reading at school. It felt like we were being propagandized because of White's over-the-top enthusiasm for Kennedy. It didn't come across as objective or even-handed, which I thought political analysis should be. But hey, at least Somerby is talking about politics.

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    3. "one wonders whose Zoom calls [Somerby] receives each morning as he receives his talking points"

      "There is no reason why Somerby could not be such a paid influencer."

      Some people have scruples about defaming others without evidence, but not you, apparently.

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    4. He hasn't denied it. Some of the revealed influencers are proud of their efforts (see Tim Pool). Is this much different than the corporate gigs Somerby used to do as a standup comedian? Why don't you let him speak for himself?

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    5. If Somerby admitted he is not a liberal, he would lose his value to whoever is paying him (on the right).

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    6. Or maybe you're the one being paid by the Trilateral Commission to sew doubt about Somerby? We haven't heard you deny that.

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    7. sow doubt? Why not Soros? The joy of being anonymous is that I could be anyone, even Somerby himself. I could even be PP! In that case, I'd be ashamed to admit it.

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  9. I doubt Somerby has read White's book.

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    1. Reviewers note the Kennedy worship, even man-love, in White's tone. White didn't have the same access to Nixon and it shows. Somerby quoted and railed against an excerpt describing the access to Kennedy by other reporters on the press plane, but White himself participated in that milieu. Why does that not invalidate the book for Somerby?

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  10. Trump raped his first wife (out of 3) and then when she died he dumped her in an unkempt grave site on his golf course, in a possible attempt to receive tax breaks.

    Trump also raped a 13 yo girl (she reminded him of his daughter) at Epstein's house, which is one reason why he gets nervous and equivocates when it comes to releasing any "Epstein files".

    Trump was found liable for sexual abuse (ie rape)/defamation and has to pay close to $80+ million in recompense.

    Trump had sex with a porn star shortly after his third wife gave birth, and then committed felonies to cover it up. The porn star noted that Trump has a tiny penis, and felt pressured to have sex with him because he dangled the possibility of appearing on the realty tv show he was hired to host.

    Trump is a monster; corporate media and Somerby are relatively casual about this, demonstrating their lack of character. Tellingly, Somerby details every attack on Harris, but his criticism of Trump is limited to broad and vague notions of Trump perhaps being disordered, or something. Indeed, Somerby often defends Trump against attacks, usually on technical or nitpicking grounds, but sometimes Somerby just comes out and says that he questions whether racism is a real concern, same with sexism, same with diversity, and he even questions the efficacy of democracy itself.

    Will Harris bring up Trump's nasty character in the debate? Should she? It might be reasonable for Harris not to broach the subject, considering the sober context; on the other hand, Biden won the debate in 2020 by essentially looking directly at Trump and calling him a clown to his face.

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  11. "Almost surely, White couldn't have imagined the garbage can Brian Kilmeade opened this past Saturday night as part of his weekly primetime show on that same "news channel."

    As a student of American politics, White would surely have known about the seamy side, the allegations and scandals rumored by each side against the other's candidate. Even in Revolutionary times, scurrilous accusations against key figures circulated in pamphlets, about illegitimate children, payoffs and bribes, marrying one's cousin. I myself saw a paper booklet against Nixon, in which the nicest thing they called him was Tricky Dick. It shocked me as a teen, but the awful jokes, buttons and flyers were every bit as dirty as the ones today, people being what they are. Kennedy was called a puppet of the Pope in anti-Catholic screeds, for example. That level of nastiness has always existed (look at the Hillary nutcracker, for example). Somerby railed against the teabag jokes Rachel Maddow made, mocking those hats adorned with actual teabags oblivious to the sexual connotation. Circulating Hunter's dick pics is a new twist but no less dirty than Brown's remarks against Kamala Harris, no matter what they are. Politics is dirty in the grassroots and White surely knew that, even if Somerby pretends not to.

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  12. Talking about garbage cans, here is part of an article by Robert Reich about Trump's woman problem, which is likely to cost Trump the upcoming election:

    "Why Trump has a woman problem

    Not just because he’s had many wives and sexual escapades.

    Not just because he had an affair with an adult film star soon after his wife gave birth.

    Not just because of his crude references to women: “stars can do anything with women … grab ‘em by the pu**y;” a female interviewer “had blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever;” women are “crazy,” “unhinged,” “nasty.”

    Or his recent repost of old photographs of Harris and Hillary Clinton followed by the comment: “Funny how blowjobs impacted both their careers differently” (referring to Harris’s once dating San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown and Bill Clinton’s affair with a White House intern).

    There’s also the issue of abortion. Trump was dead against all abortions in 2016. He put three justices on the Supreme Court who joined Justice Samuel Alito in reversing Roe v. Wade, with the result that one out of three women of childbearing age now lives in a state where abortion is effectively banned.

    Swing states Nevada and Arizona have abortion-related ballot measures this fall, which may fuel turnout among independent women.

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    1. Cont.

      Beyond all this are the dozen or more allegations of Trump sexually harassing, abusing, and, yes, raping women.

      Trump’s lawyers say his accusers lack specifics. But Trump used 45 minutes of a news conference on Friday to graphically recount the specifics for anyone whose memory might be fading.

      He had just come from an appeal of last year’s verdict in which a nine-member jury found him liable for sexual abuse, battery, and defamation against New York writer E. Jean Carroll in a dressing room of Bergdorf Goodman in the 1990s, and awarded her $5 million in damages.

      The trial judge, Lewis A. Kaplan, noted that “as the evidence at trial … makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did [rape Carroll].”

      The day after Carroll won her lawsuit, Trump appeared on CNN and denounced her as a “whack job.” Carroll then sued Trump a second time, claiming that Trump manhandled her, “pulled down her tights,” groped around her genitals, and raped her, which reputedly left Carroll unable to develop sexual relationships. This time, a jury awarded Carroll $83 million in damages.

      How did Trump defend himself at his Friday news conference? He said it couldn’t have happened because of his fame.

      “If I would have walked into Bergdorf Goodman, the department store that she said, everybody would have said, ‘Oh, there’s Trump.’ And it would have been at that time on Page Six [the New York Post gossip page]. It would have been a big story if I would have walked into that store, got into a dressing room, and supposedly you-know-what to her. Never happened.”

      Trump then used a similar defense in discussing another accuser, Jessica Leeds, who claimed he assaulted her on an airplane.

      “She said I was making out with her. And then … grabbed her at a certain part and that’s when she had enough.” It couldn’t have happened because “I’m famous, I’m in a plane, people are coming into the plane. And I’m looking at a woman, and I grab her and I start kissing her and making out with her. What are the chances of that happening?”

      A third accuser, Natasha Stoynoff, alleged that Trump physically attacked her at his Mar-a-Lago property in December 2005 when she was on assignment for People magazine. As she wrote in 2016: “We walked into that room alone, and Trump shut the door behind us. I turned around, and within seconds, he was pushing me against the wall and forcing his tongue down my throat.”

      On Friday, Trump said Stoynoff wasn’t attractive enough for him to have sexually harassed her. “Frankly — I know you’re going to say it’s a terrible thing to say — but it couldn’t have happened, it didn’t happen, and she would not have been the chosen one,” he said.

      Trump’s woman problem has grown even worse by his picking JD Vance for vice president.

      In an interview from 2020, Vance agreed with a podcast host who said having grandmothers help raise children is “the whole purpose of the postmenopausal female.”

      When confronted about his 2021 reference that women leaders in America are “a bunch of childless cat ladies,” Vance told Megyn Kelly: “Obviously, it was a sarcastic comment. I’ve got nothing against cats.”

      Vance has criticized divorce even for women suffering domestic violence. When “people can shift spouses like they change their underwear” it doesn’t work out “for the kids of those marriages.”

      https://robertreich.substack.com/p/trumps-woman-problem

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  13. IMO the voting public doesn't want clarity and detail. I watched the Kennedy-Nixon debates as a passionate Kennedy supporter. I was sad, because I thought Nixon gave better, more detailed answers. JFK spoke in generalities. Of course, we all know that the voting public felt that JFK was the winner.

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    1. This doesn't sound like a plausible story, David. No one who was a passionate Kennedy supporter would have thought Nixon gave better answers.

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    2. @3:04 I hope I have the integrity to fairly judge someone's debate performance, regardless of how much I like or despise him.

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    3. Why would you think that?

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  14. Joseph O'Neill (google is your friend):

    Not a single word about Trump's epic, explicit, written threat to investigate & lock up his opponents under the false pretext of election cheating. Readers of the NYT simply are not being told what the stakes of the election are.

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  15. This is what the 2024 election is about:

    "Former President Donald Trump reportedly wanted to kill drug dealers and gang members in mass executions that would be a spectacle aimed at demonstrating his power.

    Sources tell Rolling Stone that Trump would regularly make angry demands about using either firing squads or gallows to mass-execute gang members in a way that would see "bodies pile up in the streets."

    “F---ing kill them all,” Trump would say, according to Rolling Stone's sources. “An eye for an eye.”

    The former president also referenced the way authoritarian regimes dealt with drug dealers by saying, "Other countries do it all the time."


    “He had a particular affinity for the firing squad,” one former Trump administration official told the publication.

    The report goes on to detail exactly why Trump was not successful in his endeavors.

    "That mass executions were not a feature of Trump’s term is a credit to the American justice system and the more sober-minded government officials who were unwilling to be complicit in his mad schemes," reports Rolling Stone. "These aides and advisers typically put the president off, making vague promises to 'look into' the idea, long enough to let Trump’s tyrannical tantrum blow over."

    However, the publication warns that guardrail is far less likely to hold in a second term.

    "A second administration will not feature advisers in the mold of former Chief of Staff John Kelly, or Defense Secretary Mark Esper — establishment Republicans with a stake in keeping Trump constitutionally in bounds," the report notes."

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    1. Stuff like this is why the people who worked with Trump during his first administration are not endorsing him -- some have even become Democrats in order to oppose Trump.

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  16. Given all the weird stuff happening in the political news, why is Somerby preoccupied with a book written so long ago? Even a book written prior to the advent of social media is going to be too out-of-date to be useful for modern media analysis.

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  17. "A new report from Rolling Stone claims that former President Donald Trump wanted to use the United States Department of Justice to go after late-night comedians who made fun of him.

    In a lengthy report on Trump's second-term ambitions, sources told the publication that Trump believed that comedians who mocked him on television were guilty of giving what amounted to illegal campaign contributions to Democrats.

    "As president, Trump briefly attempted to get Justice officials to twist campaign finance laws and the federal equal-time rule to declare that anti-Trump material broadcast by Saturday Night Live, Jimmy Kimmel, Stephen Colbert, and others was somehow illegal," the publication writes.

    "During his 2024 campaign, according to a source with direct knowledge, Trump has raised this topic again, venting about the need to punish late-night comedians for giving “illegal” campaign contributions to the Democratic Party — in the form of jokes and on-air satire." Rawstory

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    It seems like a short step from claiming that Colbert is giving campaign contributions (because of his jokes) to saying that private individuals like you and me are giving campaign contributions when we talk to our friends and neighbors about the candidates. And what then becones of the famous freedom of speech concerns that Republicans care so much about? If we monetize free speech does that help our democracy?

    It isn't surprising when Trump wants to monetize free speech, because he monetizes everything normal people hold sacred, including the Bible, relationships with spouses and family (via nepotism and prenups), and he gave away paintings and White House gifts belonging to the People of America, not himself personally. Melania considered the White House a dump that she didn't want to live in. Even gold toilets -- how odd is that? So Trump doesn't understand that jokes are freely given for the enjoyment of an audience, whether The President considers them funny or not. Trump lacks a sense of humor and wouldn't ever make himself the butt of a joke (like Walz does routinely), so thinking of them as a form of currency only reveals how weird he and Vance are.

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    1. If using free speech becomes an unreported contribution to the Dems, then will supporters of Harris be prosecuted (the way Trump thinks he was in his hush money trial, even though he really did manipulate the 2016 election in illegal ways)?

      Here is what Trump is saying:

      "Former President Donald Trump made a stunning pledge to pursue criminal prosecutions against those he claims engaged in “cheating” in the 2020 election.

      In a post to his Truth Social platform Saturday, Trump warned he is “watching the Sanctity of the 2024 Presidential Election” — and vowed revenge against those he feels engaged in fraud in 2020.

      “I know, better than most, the rampant Cheating and Skullduggery that has taken place by the Democrats in the 2020 Presidential Election,” Trump wrote. “It was a Disgrace to our Nation! Therefore, the 2024 Election, where Votes have just started being cast, will be under the closest professional scrutiny and, WHEN I WIN, those people that CHEATED will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the Law, which will include long term prison sentences so that this Depravity of Justice does not happen again.”

      Do everyday election volunteers and workers need to be worried that they will be prosecuted if Trump wins? I have friends who are seriously worried about this.

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    2. @3:58 -- That quote is not totally clear. I read it as a threat against those who will cheat and violate election laws this year. Trump's threat is designed to persuade people not to cheat and violate the law in the current election.

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    3. @3:36 wrote, "Trump lacks a sense of humor and wouldn't ever make himself the butt of a joke."

      It's not a factor is who I'll vote for, but the above comment could hardly be more wrong. I suspect that @3:36 hasn't attended or listened to Trump rallies. Trump is a professional level performer and comedian. That's proved by all the laughter from his audiences.

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    4. I have watched Trump rallies and find him repulsive. Republicans laugh at ugly things, like Trump mocking disabled people or pretending to be Biden pooping his pants. That shows Trump is a bully, not someone with a sense of humor. Cecelia laughs at ugly things too, so his audience laughter may mean his supporters are no better than he is. Now that Trump is losing it cognitively, his audiences are leaving early. So much for being a professional.

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    5. Trump is polling better at this point in 2024 than either of the previous two elections, by a significant margin:

      Pew poll, September 2024

      Trump: 49
      Harris: 49

      Pew poll, September 2020

      Trump: 42
      Biden: 52

      Pew poll, September 2016

      Trump: 39
      Clinton: 46

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    6. Trump has underperformed his polling. Polls are not surveying likely voters and not taking into account the gender gap and new voter registrations, GOTV efforts or money being spent by Dems vs Repubs. No one seriously thinks Trump will get 49% of electorate. They thinks the polls are wrong.

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    7. @4:53 - Did you watch entire Trump rallies, or just the parts that his opponents chose for you to see?

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    8. Whole thing at first, but they are repetitive and it is frustrating hearing so many lies.

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    9. Trump is a master at humor that is denigrating, and his audience laps that up. They found it funny when he joked falsely about Pelosi building a wall around her house and glibly inquired about the health of her husband after the attack in which his skull was cracked open with a hammer. Hilarious, had you out of your seat, DIC. You fit right in with those crowds of supporters, all right.

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