SATURDAY: Introducing Nehamas and Epstein!

SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 28, 2024

Introducing Hurt: Through whatever fortuity, some people at the New York Times basically know it all.

Lucky for us, they're willing to share! For the latest example of this service, we introduce Nehamas and Epstein.

On Wednesday, Candidate Harris gave a speech at the Economic Club of Pittsburgh. Nehamas and Epstein were assigned the task of creating a news report about the candidate's speech. 

Nehamas and Epstein were eager to share. Headline included, their report started like this:

Harris Casts Herself as a Pro-Business Pragmatist in a Broad Economic Pitch

Vice President Kamala Harris laid out a broad vision of her economic plan on Wednesday as she sought to bridge the political divide between the progressive senator who ran for president in 2019 and the pragmatic, pro-business candidate she is presenting herself as now.

During a speech in Pittsburgh in which she declared “I am a capitalist,” Ms. Harris promised to protect and expand U.S. manufacturing as she tried to convince voters that she will defend and lift up the middle class.

“From our earliest days, America’s economic strength has been tied to our industrial strength,” she said. “The same is true today. So I will recommit the nation to global leadership in the sectors that will define the next century.”

Speaking not with the trappings of a raucous campaign rally but in front of the sober signage of the Economic Club of Pittsburgh, Ms. Harris delivered remarks seemingly tailored to voters sitting in wood-paneled offices reading the print edition of The Wall Street Journal. Such voters may have supported John McCain and Mitt Romney, and might believe the economy was better four years ago, but the Harris campaign appears to be hoping that many will now have trouble stomaching the idea of voting for former President Donald J. Trump.

As always, there were the things the candidate said. Then too, there were her motives.

It was in their account of the candidate's motives that the Timesmen's omniscience appeared. Their various insights came early and often. Here are some of the things the Timesmen revealed:

Paragraph 1: When she delivered her address, Harris was "s[eeking] to bridge the political divide between the progressive senator who ran for president in 2019 and the pragmatic, pro-business candidate she is presenting herself as now."

Paragraph 2: Harris was "tr[ying] to convince voters that she will defend and lift up the middle class."

Paragraph 4: Harris's remarks seem to have been "tailored to voters sitting in wood-paneled offices reading the print edition of The Wall Street Journal."

Paragraph 4: The Harris campaign appears to be hoping that many [such voters] will now have trouble stomaching the idea "of voting for former President Donald J. Trump."

Credit where due! By paragraph 4, the Timesmen were restricting themselves to reporting how matters "seemed" or "appeared." That said, also this: 

Before the Timesmen tried to report much of what the candidate said, they were willing to build a framework around her reasons for saying the things they'd eventually have to mention.

In their next two paragraphs, they stooped to the task of mentioning some of what Harris had said. But then, in paragraphs 7 and 8, there they went again:

Ms. Harris made her pitch in a Democratic stronghold that was once a capital of American industry, in a top battleground state that could determine the winner of the presidential election. She has previously given economic addresses on her plans to lower costs and to help small businesses. Her emphasis on manufacturing on Wednesday was a return to a more traditional Democratic talking point, one often highlighted by President Biden before he dropped out of the race in July.

Her speech tried to weave her economic themes together into a broader vision. She said she was “not constrained by ideology,” an apparent response to polls that show some voters consider her too liberal...

The candidate wasn't saying something she believed or was pledging to do. Instead, she was giving voice to a "traditional Democratic talking point." 

She was apparently responding to pollspolls which show that some voters think that she's too liberal.

Nehamas and Epstein were serving the public in a familiar way. They were telling us less about what Harris said, more about why she said it. 

For the record, the ability to do this may have stemmed from the greatness of their preparation: 

Nehamas is thirteen years out of Harvard (class of 2011). Epstein, a somewhat older man, was perhaps a leavening agent. He graduated from Emory in the class of 2001.

For the record, we aren't saying whether the Timesmen were right or wrong in their various assessments. Such assessments move us beyond our own pay grade.

It does perhaps seem strange to think thisto think that Harris believes she can win this race by appealing "to voters sitting in wood-paneled offices reading the print edition of The Wall Street Journal." Are those lucky duckies the targeted voters who "think she's too liberal" (according to polls)? 

On Olympus, the gods know the answers to such questions. But as Homer once noted, most of us here on Earth by way of contrast know nothing.

Nehamas and Epstein were sharing their views. They did so early and often.

In a different neighborhood, Charlie Hurt would soon be sharing his views about Candidate Harris's Thursday interview with MSNBC's Stephanie Ruhle.

Charlie Hurt is a Timesman tooa Timesman of a different stripe. For the record, he seems like the nicest guy in the world. Also, his thumbnail reads like this:

Charles Hurt

Charles Hurt (born 1971) is an American journalist and political commentator. He is currently the opinion editor of The Washington Times [and] a Fox News contributor...Hurt's views have been considered to be Republican leaning.

...His first full-time job after graduating [from Hampden-Sydney] in 1995 was at The Detroit News where he became a replacement worker during a bitter strike. He worked at the paper until 2001, when he moved to the Washington, D.C. area to join the staff of The Charlotte Observer.

Hurt was The New York Post's D.C. Bureau Chief and news columnist covering the White House for five years.

From 2003 to 2007, Hurt covered the U.S. Congress as a reporter for The Washington Times before leaving to join The New York Post. In 2011, he rejoined The Washington Times as a political columnist. In December 2016, Hurt was named the opinion editor.

National Review editor Rich Lowry described Hurt as, "an early adopter of Donald Trump populism." Hurt has written numerous opinion pieces lauding Trump since the 2016 election.

For the record, everything there is legal. Specifically, there's no reason why Hurt, like tens of millions of other voters, shouldn't be allowed to hold a favorable view of Candidate Donald J. Trump.

As we've noted, Hurt seems like the nicest guy in the world. On Monday, we'll be looking at what he said about the Harris-Ruhle interview when he appeared on Thursday evening's edition of the Fox News Channel's primetime "cable news" show, Gutfeld! 

At some point next week, we'll also look at the famous 2021 interview between Candidate Harris and NBC's Lester Holt. For the record, and for some strange reason, the interview was conducted in Guatemala City.

Harris has been mocked for something she said in the interview from that day right up to this. In a global first, we'll be suggesting that you look at Holt's performance that night, but also at the way the interview has been described by members of the mainstream press.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep. That said, it isn't clear that we the peoplethat we the humansare actually builtare actually wiredfor the daunting task of creating an intelligent discourse.

The brightest among us are sometimes too bright. Things can go downhill from there.


12 comments:

  1. The Times style has long been to introduce articles with what the news means, before getting to the actual news. Especially when the story is about what someone said.

    Instead of beginning with “so and so said such and such,” the story begins, “In a yadda yadda yadda, so and so said…”

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    1. Somerby said that understanding Harris was "above his pay grade". Perhaps that is why he is not offering his own critique, after demanding that she supply more details about her policies.

      Somerby says: "For the record, we aren't saying whether the Timesmen were right or wrong in their various assessments. Such assessments move us beyond our own pay grade."

      But Somerby just knows that they are exceeding their authority when they tell us things that are apparently within their pay grades. When reporters say things, the reader is supposed to think about what they have said, perhaps be stimulated by their ideas to think about topics themselves. No reporter is asking anyone to accept what they say whole cloth. They use the very words Somerby cites (seeking, trying, appears to be) to indicate that they are going beyond the mere fact that she said a sequence of words in a specific order. These are clues that the reporter is interpreting.

      Most people learn to parse the meaning beyond face value in their middle school English classes. Somerby supposedly taught middle school, but math not English, so maybe he gets a pass on this, but I suspect (note the word cue) that he is being excessively literal because (1) he has no complaint of his own against Harris's speech/interview, and (2) he doesn't want to praise her, (3) he wants to attack the press, as he does every day, because that is his job -- to undermine democracy by weakening faith in the institution that protects it, our free press (where reporters are allowed to use words like "appears to" and "seems" and the reader is free to disagree, especially since they could have watched the speech themselves and formed their own opinions.

      Somerby had a lot of fun demanding that Harris give more info, but he is proving today that he doesn't know what to do with it when he gets it. Why has he switched to talking about Holt's interview three years ago, while ignoring the interview she gave after her economic policy speech last week, or even the speech she gave at the border in AZ?

      Somerby gets what he wants but he is not satisfied. The goalposts shift and he whines about something else, because the last thing he is willing to do is praise Harris for something she has done well.

      Somerby concludes with his usual doom and gloom about humanity, but he doesn't explain how we can be too dumb yesterday but too smart today.

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  2. "At some point next week, we'll also look at the famous 2021 interview between Candidate Harris and NBC's Lester Holt. For the record, and for some strange reason, the interview was conducted in Guatemala City."

    This occurred when Harris was NOT a candidate. She was visiting Guatemala in order to address root causes of asylum seeking and border crossing into the US. She explained why she was in Guatemala and not at the US border.

    Somerby should know this. Why is pretending to be mystified?

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  3. Harris gave an excellent speech and interview. It was so good that Fox can only criticize her use of the word "holistically" and not the ideas in her speech.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/9/27/2273240/-Fox-News-goes-to-war-against-Harris-for-using-big-words?pm_source=ICYMI&pm_campaign=ICYMI09272024

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  4. Thanks for the link. I found her two minute answer pretty weak. It was vague. One specific she mentioned was tax incentives, although she didn’t provide details.

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    1. Yes, she was vague. She didn't mention Hannibal Lecter once!

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    2. Question: What actions will you take to ensure that our jobs stay in America?

      Trump: I was honored as the man of the year. Maybe 20 years ago.. The fake news heard about it and said, it never happened.....

      Go fuck yourself, Dickhead in Cal.

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    3. When a president takes office, he or she appoints cabinet members who in turn hire staff members. The president sets broad policy and the cabinet members carry it out, dealing with the specifics. These cabinet members report back regularly to the president, at cabinet meetings but also in one-on-one and group meetings with senior staff, and in written reports, so the president follows what each cabinet member is doing. When changes in rules or new regulations need to be imposed, the president either issues an executive order or works with congress to introduce legislation. But the president doesn't run he economy directly, micro-managing where tax incentives may be helpful and where other measures are needed to keep the economy on course.

      And, of course, there is no room in a board policy speech covering a lot of mind-numbing territory to both give David's details and also keep the speech at a level that more people can understand. If you introduce a topic with detail but not enough detail to fully explain, you risk upsetting some part of the market or individuals without being able to tell them fully things will work. That is worse than being "too vague". For example, a speech about what Harris may do for the dairy industry might have time to mention specifics, but one on what she will do for the entire economy will not permit much detail and just casually throwing off a remark that dairy farmers may no longer get tax incentives in favor of pig farmers may upset someone without further explanation for which there is no time.

      The person giving the speech works with her staff to figure out how to fit the most important points into the time allotted. You can perhaps contact her campaign office if you need more detail on a specifc subject (such as are actuaries receiving any kind of tax incentive?) or attend a town hall where you can submit your question, and unlike when Trump holds a town hall (without responding to a single question), receive an answer.

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    4. type correction: broad policy speech (not board)

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  5. Today Somerby is citing a report from the NY Times that appeared three days ago (9/25). Does Somerby believe that there should be no analysis, just straight reporting of such speeches? Why? It will be above the pay grades of most readers to evaluate what she said and put it into some larger context, as Somerby admits it is for himself.

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  6. "The woods are lovely, dark and deep."

    Robert Frost said this. He deserves to have his name mentioned, even if he is a fusty old conservative poet, long dead. Somerby needs to attribute his quotes and enclose them in quotation marks, so that no one thinks he was smart enough to write such phrases himself.

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  7. "On Monday, we'll be looking at what he said about the Harris-Ruhle interview when he appeared on Thursday evening's edition of the Fox News Channel's primetime "cable news" show, Gutfeld! "

    I am absolutely certain that we will get lengthy excerpts from Gutfeld on Monday, but I doubt we will hear anything about the Harris's appearance with Ruhle. When the worst thing Fox can find to say is that Harris used the word "holistically" three times in a lengthy speech, and that word sounds kind of hippie, Somerby won't be able to find anything to criticize either. And this is getting to be really old news, when people are already voting in some states.

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