MADNESS: Is the American project approaching its end?

MONDAY, JANUARY 20, 2025

Two roads diverged in a wood: In our view, it was an intriguing phone call.

Borrowing language from the early Dylan, the phone call in question came from "somewhere out in the United States." 

More specifically, it came from Alexander from New York (as best we can tell). He said he had just crossed into Pennsylvania on his way to D.C. to attend today's inauguration.

Yesterday morning, the gentleman called C-Span's Washington Journal as his fast car zipped along. We agreed with the first several things he said—with his assessments of the people who stormed the Capitol on January 6, 2021.

We agreed with those assessments. But then he moved on to this:

ALEXANDER FROM NEW YORK (1/19/25): I also want to say that Biden, I heard or I read, is leaving at 38% approval rating, which is the longest—the lowest in totally modern American history—you can fact check me on that. And Trump's policies are actually rather popular...

Briefly, the caller continued from there. To hear his full call, click this.

We were struck by the highlighted statement. To our ear, the caller wasn't completely sure of his number. On that basis, he said that he was open to a fact check.

We were struck by the fact that he welcomed a fact-check. At this site, we had already fact-checked the claim in question. We'd done so several days before. 

At this point, we offer a warning: 

WARNING: What follows will require a bit of time and attention!

Continuing right along:

The caller said he'd heard that President Biden is leaving office with a 38% approval rating. He said he'd heard that that was the lowest such rating in modern American history.

Almost surely, this was a reference to a recent CNN survey—a survey which was widely discussed by the stars of the Fox News Channel. The caller may even have read this news report at the Fox News website—a report which was perfectly accurate:

New polls show Biden leaving office with approval ratings still buried deep in negative territory

A new national poll indicates that President Biden's approval ratings remain well underwater as the nation's 46th president is only days from leaving office.

Just 36% of Americans approve of the job Biden is doing in the White House, according to the latest CNN poll conducted by SSRS, with 64% saying they disapprove. The approval rating matches the president's previous low mark in the cable news network's polling during Biden's single term in office.

The poll was released on Wednesday, just hours before the president delivers his primetime farewell address to the nation, with just days left before Biden's term ends and he is succeeded by President-elect Trump in the White House.

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Sixty-one percent of those questioned in the CNN survey said they see Biden’s presidency overall as a failure, with 38% viewing it as a success. 

Was that survey the source of what the caller had heard? If so, President Biden's approval number actually stood at 36 percent—two points lower than the C-Span caller had said!

Full disclosure! The news report didn't say that this was the lowest such number in recent history. That said, we'll guess that such claims were made at some point on the Fox News Channel, where misstatement in service to Storyline is a key "journalistic" norm.

At any rate, the numbers from that CNN survey had been widely discussed. Below, you see the original news report at CNN's website about the results of that poll.

How did President Biden stand as he was about to leave office? On this occasion, the figure filberts at CNN were slicing the lunch meat quite thin:

CNN Poll: Biden leaves office with his approval rating matching the lowest of his term

President Joe Biden will leave office with his approval rating remaining at the lowest level of his term and his favorability rating close to his personal low, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS. Americans broadly view Biden’s four years in office more as a failure than as a success, with his administration doing little to turn around persistent negativity about the state of the country generally or about its economy.

Overall, 36% of US adults say they approve of the way Biden handled the presidency, matching his previous low mark in CNN polling during his term...

Biden’s favorability rating, a measure of personal feelings rather than job performance, stands at 33% favorable to 58% unfavorable, just one point off his previous low in CNN polling since he became vice president under Barack Obama in 2009 (he reached that 32% in June 2023). His favorability rating has been mired in the low 30s for much of the past two years.

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Most Americans, 61%, say they see Biden’s presidency overall as a failure, with 38% viewing it as a success. That lags far behind two presidencies largely seen as successful: Bill Clinton’s (68% considered it a success in 2000) and Barack Obama’s (65% rated it a success in early 2017). Biden’s time in office stands above George W. Bush’s, though, which 68% of Americans judged as more of a failure than a success when he left office in 2009.

CNN was slicing it thin! Here's what the survey said:

The president's approval number was 36 percent. By way of contrast, his favorability number was 33 percent. 

That said, a 38 percent figure could also be found in the stew! That was the number of people who said they viewed his presidency as a success. 

So it went with the lunch meat—or perhaps in the stew. The numbers looked like this: 

President Biden's numbers:
Job approval: 36 percent
Viewed favorably: 33 percent
Successful presidency: 38 percent

Those numbers emerged from the CNN poll. That was the shape of the goulash.

In fairness, the C-Span caller had it pretty much right. Also, and stating the obvious, none of those numbers are good. By the norms of post-war American history, those are lousy numbers.

The C-Span caller, a Trump supporter, was pleased by those low assessments of Biden. That said, was one part of his claim simply wrong?

Days earlier, we'd been struck by a peculiar omission from CNN's report. It was on that basis that we'd already conducted the type of fact check the caller said he welcomed. 

Strange! In the passage we've posted, CNN compared Biden's "successful presidency" number with the substantially better numbers recorded by Presidents Clinton and Obama before him. 

CNN also said that President George W. Bush's "failed presidency" number had in fact been seven points worse than President Biden's! At least with respect to that assessment, Biden's score wasn't the worst!

Having said that, how strange! Biden had been compared to Clinton and Obama, but also to the younger President Bush. But something struck us as odd in CNN's report:

One of this nation's recent presidents had been completely unmentioned—President Donald J. Trump! Alone among our most recent presidents, his numbers upon leaving office had somehow failed to appear.

We were struck by that omission, and so we decided to check. What was his approval number when he was leaving office?

We'll guess that C-Span's caller had never heard what we found. Almost surely, he'd never heard it from the array of corporate hacks who star on the Fox News Channel's programs. 

How had President Trump been viewed when he was leaving office? Below, you see Gallup's report from January 2021:

Last Trump Job Approval 34%; Average Is Record-Low 41%

As President Donald Trump prepares to leave the White House, 34% of Americans approve of the job he is doing as president, the worst evaluation of his presidency. His 41% average approval rating throughout his presidency is four points lower than for any of his predecessors in Gallup's polling era. Trump's ratings showed a record 81-percentage-point average gap between Republicans and Democrats—11 points wider than the prior record.

The 34% job approval rating for Trump in Gallup's Jan. 4-15 poll is one point lower than his prior lowest single rating, registered on several occasions in late 2017...

None of this makes a lick of difference. But so the basic facts went. 

The C-Span caller thought Biden's approval number was the lowest in recent history. According to Gallup, Trump's number had been four points lower as he flew off to Mar-a-Lago, refusing to attend the inauguration of the man to whom he refused to admit he had lost.

(We never found a CNN survey from January 2021. Some such material may exist.)

Do the results of our fact-check matter? No, they don't matter at all.

Quite possibly, someone "will be telling this with a sigh / Somewhere ages and ages hence." If so, no one will be listening to what that person is saying. Similarly, few people have been listening to facts or to actual information over the past thirty years. 

Two roads have diverged in a failing nation over the past many years. As a general matter, we the people have taken the road more pleasurably traveled by. 

We've offered you a bunch of facts in this pointless report. As empires die—and every empire eventually does—Storyline is pleasing and fun. Information and facts are hard.

Today, is an empire beginning to end? That would be our broadest guess, though our guess could always be wrong.

We don't see any obvious way to emerge from our failing nation's current cultural / journalistic / intellectual / tribal mess. The problem can be tracked to various groups of imperfect people, including us hapless Blues.

Tomorrow: Why didn't CNN cite Trump? Also, Ezra Klein explains


55 comments:

  1. "SITUATIONS END: Is the American project approaching its end?"

    This sounds treasonous.

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    1. Somerby has been calling for an end to the American experiment since 2015.

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  2. Well, starting tomorrow the American project will be okay again. And soon, hopefully, it'll become great again!

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  3. As Somerby himself admits, the numbers he fact-checked are meaningless, as is the whole report. Why did he write it then? Doesn't he have anything at all to say today? If not about the presidency, perhaps about MLK? Or Cecile Richards? (Does he know who she was?) Who wastes time writing an essay and posting it when it is as utterly meaningless as this one? And who concludes from his own empty mess that this all means our nation is failing?

    Somerby has something deeply wrong with him. The rest of the country is taking today very seriously. An no, our country is neither failing nor is our system broken. But Somerby is still an asshole.

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    1. You're the asshole. Somerby made a perfectly valid point, though he could have made it with half as many words. That C-Span caller claimed Biden had the lowest approval rating in modern history. But just four years ago, Trump, who the guy voted for, had a lower one. And CNN disappeared Trump's lower number, even though they discussed other recent presidents' numbers.

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    2. And none of this matters any more, so why did Somerby waste everyone’s time with it? OMG a Biden hater said something mean and boosted Trump. So what?

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    3. No, Somerby is still the asshole…

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    4. The two aren't mutually exclusive. You could both be assholes. And whether something "matters" is of course in the eye of the beholder. Facts about Biden and Trump matter to a lot of people, especially when they are used to counter arguments from MAGA.

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    5. No-one is an asshole.

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  4. At noon, Trump is planning to flood the system with a slew of illegal and ill-considered executive orders. Because he has no idea how our system works, most of this useless paper will have no impact because it will be unenforceable and because no one has the resources or mechanisms in place to implement them. It will cause a lot of uproar, during which time Trump will sell more meme coins and play some more golf.

    This is his first step toward making his second term a complete farce. Perhaps Somerby is right to not bother finding out what adults are doing today.

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  5. Bob is writing challenging and thought-provoking essays, anonymices are breathing fire over that and the recent election. I utterly agree with anonymouse 11:40am. It’s all good.

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    1. Despite months of promising to do it, Bob Somerby long ago gave up trying to find a reason, other than bigotry, for someone to vote for Donald Trump.
      Let's all come together today to agree, Bob Somerby is no miracle worker.

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    2. On this day of atonement, I totally agree with Cecelia.

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    3. RightisRight, everything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law..,

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    4. anon 11:55, don't be so smug. It's stupid to say that the only reason anyone voted for Trump was "bigotry." You've never proven that this is true. Millions of people voted for Trump, including blacks, gays, hispanics and women. You sound like a bigot yourself calling them all bigots, without bothering to provide any evidence. Obviously, there were a lot of reasons - including dislike of people like you calling them all bigots.

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    5. I’d say bigotry fuels the virulent anti-trans hatred amongst right wingers, and other Trump voters, AC. It’s unrelenting, and is the current group that Republicans will marginalize and hate, because they must always do that. It’s a disgusting sickening stance from the GOP.

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    6. You should stop complaining about Mr. Soros confessions, AC/MA.

      Mr. Soros is confessing here all the time, everyone here is used to it, and you should too.

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    7. Anonymouse 2:01pm, you also call women athletes bigots for not wanting to compete against bio males and you say the same of women who don’t wish to share a ladies room with men (no matter how they identify themselves). You also want people to be forced to use pronouns that do not denote biological reality or else issue threats to their livelihood and ability to use social media to opinionize or to make money. You want school officials to be leave parents in the dark as to what their children claim about themselves and you want social service people to remove children from the homes of parents who seek to intervene in such matters.

      You’re a tyrant.

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    8. In the entire country there are less than 10 trans woman college athletes. Get your daily hate in Cecelia.

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    9. I issue no threats Cecelia. I don’t do any of those things that you listed. I don’t know anyone who does. On the other hand, your scapegoating of trans and LQBTQ and your forcing of those of us who are trans , by passing laws against is, to bend to your idea of what pronouns to use for us is tyrannical.

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    10. Anonymouse 3:01pm, so what number of trans college athletes do you want women’s sports teams to be limited to?

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    11. Anonymouse 3:03pm, by your own definition then biology is tyrannical.

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    12. By your self proclaimed Christian doctrine, Cecelia, yes. You believe that the soul inhabits a corruptible body and achieves freedom and bliss only by renouncing the corporeal and reaching heaven and the afterlife.

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    13. Anonymouse 3:21pm, no, the body/flesh is corrupted by the soul of man. Our fallen state. The body is what it is. Male or female.

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    14. Christian doctrine is even stupider than either of you are making it out to be. According to it, every human being who comes into existence is AUTOMATICALLY corrupted and bound for (and "deserves") never-ending torture because of something someone else allegedly did thousands of years ago. To make things even stupider, "god" is all-knowing, so "he" (another stupid concept; does god have a dick?) knew ahead of time that the majority of people would end up "needing" to be tortured forever. He went ahead with the plan anyway, because he's so loving and morally perfect. The fact that this garbage is believed by billions of people is the best evidence for Somerby's refrain that man [sic] is maybe not such a "rational animal" after all.

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    15. Anonymouse 2:01 PM:

      “I’d say bigotry fuels the virulent anti-trans hatred amongst right wingers, and other Trump voters, AC. It’s unrelenting, and is the current group that Republicans will marginalize and hate, because they must always do that. It’s a disgusting sickening stance from the GOP”


      “New polling from the New York Times shows that Americans, regardless of political party, agree with Republican positions on numerous transgender issues, including gender transitions for minors and sports inclusion.
      The New York Times/Ipsos Survey, which was conducted earlier this month, found that a stunning 79% of Americans believe males should not be permitted to participate in female sports, even if the athlete identifies as transgender.”

      https://www.dailywire.com/news/nyt-polling-shows-americans-overwhelmingly-support-gop-position-on-numerous-trans-issues

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    16. Mike , you’d entitled to make up your own mind as to any sort of belief. However, when an anonymouse is summing up Christian doctrine, as per what the anonymouse was doing, whether they hold to a particular religion or don’t hold to it, they still need to get It right.

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    17. That's why I corrected them (and you).

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    19. Mike L, no, saying that Christianity is all a bunch of crap that makes no sense isn’t a correction. It’s a proclamation. Your opinion is duly noted, Voltaire. However, within a discussion of what is basic ground level Christian doctrine, what is or is not basic ground level Christian doctrine is germane. That’s true regardless of your opinion of religion.

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    20. In oury Soros-bot religion, Mr. Soros is God.

      That's our whole Bible, three words: Soros is God. Nice and simple. Come and join us, brothers and sisters.

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    21. The doctrine of "original sin" is "basic ground level Christian doctrine," and it's objectively stupid -- in fact, "stupid" doesn't even begin to fully capture it. Declaring someone guilty because of something someone else did and sentencing them to never-ending torture because of it, while claiming to love them and to be morally perfect, contradicts any honest notion of justice, love, and right v. wrong anyone could set forth in good faith -- it undoubtedly contradicts even your own notions of these. It also contradicts other parts of Christianity. You would see that clearly if it were someone else's religion.

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    22. Weirdo Mao, that "joke" went stale a hundred uses ago. And really, anyone who gullibly and uncritically swallows the Trump line on everything like you do, has no room to talk when it comes to religiously regurgitating what Dear Leader says.

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  6. The NY Times reports That DOGE will he staffed by “wide-eyed” volunteers — tech leaders and other executives. “Wide eyed” means naive. IMO the adjective “wide eyed” belongs in an editorial, not in a news story

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    1. David in Cal,
      Karl Marx told us not to trust corporations over a century ago, but stupid people thought they knew better.

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    2. Anonymouse 12:02pm, you’ve been completely in bed with corporatists, to the point where you were cheering their canceling of political heretics and were hailing their DEI depts, organized in order to promote your hierarchical grievance culture. Corporations did this to stave off threats from Democrats as the WH called up Meta, Inc-… and screamed till they killed free speech.

      Now all your former buddies are sucking up to Trump because he won’t have to campaign for re-election again and is not under that sort of pressure, which gives him more freedom/less restraint. Your corps friends and all the rest of us are watching to see what comes of that.There are no guarantees for either side.

      Stupid people like anonymices use Karl Marx just for lip service and for nothing else.

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    3. “ screamed till they killed free speech.”

      You are so stupid, Cecelia.

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    4. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna187199

      “Mark Zuckerberg says Biden officials would 'scream' and 'curse' when seeking removal of Facebook content”

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    5. Yeah, they really killed free speech, didn’t they, Cecelia. You’re so ridiculous. Even the courts found there was a legitimate government interest in moderating some social media content. Trump files lawsuits and otherwise threatens free speech of media orgs, but let’s hear your condemnation of that.

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    6. Anonymouse 2:03pm, Trump threatens media org with libel suits and Biden demands that FB silence average joes expressing an opinion.

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    7. Yeah 2:03. Don't you know about Joe Biden's Average Joes Hitlist? It's on Hunter's laptop hard drive.

      Try and keep up.

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    8. There’s lots and lots of things that have been on Hunter Biden’s “laptop hard drive”.

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    9. I see you can’t bring yourself to address the actual point that was made, Cecelia, that free speech wasn’t killed by the Biden administration and that Trump is actively trying to bring media orgs to heel by lawsuits and other malicious threats. So don’t keep performatively pretending to care about free speech as a principle because you don’t.

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    10. Mark Zuckerberg says Biden officials would 'scream' and 'curse' when seeking removal of Facebook content
      The Meta CEO said on a podcast that administration officials had asked the company to remove certain posts, including "things that are true."

      From NBC

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    11. They “asked?” That doesn’t sound like a threat. You didn’t address the court rulings that accepted the idea that the government has an interest in asking social media companies to moderate their content under certain circumstances. You, DiC, also didn’t address Trump’s open threats against media companies. To you, all the error is only on one side.

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    12. Anonymouse 3:07pm, yes, indeed the Biden folks did try to lean on Zuckerberg, per his own account. He also went on to say that FB was now reverting back to their former policies.

      Democrats have lawfared Trump to death and even gave the statute of limitations on sexual harassment litigation a moratorium in order to go after Trump in NY. But now it’s tyrannical of Trump to sue media companies for false things their journalists report about him via their professional capacities? That’s just awful. If only you could curtail his right to do that.

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    13. Anonymouse 3:17pm, sure they “asked”. These powerful politicians, cursing and screaming, asked Zuckerberg to bring down the hammer on speech they did not appreciate. They asked more than once and Meta found it in their interest to comply. Maybe Trump will justify your appreciation for such requests by “asking” Zuck to bring it all back under his watch.

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    14. I believe Zuck.

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    15. orange chickenshit can do whatever he wants, Alito and Clarence say so.

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    16. Anonymouse 4:05pm, maybe you could get whoever ran the country while Biden was in office to get on the horn and start screaming at those two.

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  7. Musk's salute was totally OK, right David?

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    1. The ADL says it’s OK. David will think it’s OK, too.

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  8. Biden's Presidency is a success. I don't care what the polls say. The facts say otherwise.

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  9. "At this point, we offer a warning:

    WARNING: What follows will require a bit of time and attention!"

    Take your patronizing shtick and stick it where the sun don't shine Bobby boy.

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