MISSISSIPPI MEH: Does anyone give a flying fark...

TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 5, 2023

...about our nation's kids? Long ago and far away, the Associated Press offered a lengthy news report about an important topic.

Quickly, let's amend that statement:

The topic of the AP report is very important as a matter of theory. In practice, it isn't clear than anyone actually cares about the topic in question. Also, it isn't clear that anyone is prepared to offer a competent analysis of the claims under review.

With those corrections in place, let's move quickly ahead. 

The report was written by the AP's Sharon Lurye. The report appeared on May 17. The AP's headline said this:

‘Mississippi miracle': Kids’ reading scores have soared in Deep South states

According to the lengthy AP report, "reading scores have soared" in recent years in three Gulf Coast states. In Mississippi, the test score gains have been so large that a pleasing term has been getting thrown around, in that AP headline and elsewhere:

LURIE (5/17/23): [T]he country has taken notice of what some have called the Mississippi miracle. Tennessee, North Carolina, Georgia, Kentucky and Virginia are among the states that have recently adopted some of the same policies. As Mississippi climbed [in] the rankings, the Barksdale Institute, an influential organization in literacy policy in the state, got phone calls from about two dozen states.

The institute’s CEO, Kelly Butler, said she tells them there’s no secret to the strategy.

“We know how to teach reading,” she said. “We just have to do it everywhere.”

"All three states have trained thousands of teachers in the so-called science of reading," Lurye went on to say. To Lurye's credit, the term "so-called" was hers.

Alabama and Louisiana were cited in the AP report, but the state of Mississippi was the obvious star.  In Mississippi, reading scores have soared to the point where a certain M-bomb is being tossed around. 

As we noted in the weeks preceding a recent surgery, black fourth graders in Mississippi now seem to be outperforming their counterparts from around the nation in reading by upwards of one whole academic year. Ditto for Mississippi's lower income fourth graders, of whatever race.

Mississippi is a high-poverty, low social services state. As everyone knows, the state occupies a spot at the very heart of this nation's racial history, a history both brutal and tragic.

Now, Mississippi has reportedly found the way to produce an educational miracle among its deserving black (and lower income) kids. By any rational assessment, this counts as an important claim about a very important topic.

That AP report appeared in the middle of May. Before that recent surgery, we spent a great deal of time examining the data upon which its claims are based.

As a matter of theory and widespread pretense, the AP's various claims are extremely important. But in the months which have passed since the AP report appeared, we Americans have had a chance to assess how much we actually care about the topic under review in that AP report.

It has now been almost four months since that AP report appeared. In the months which have passed, we can find no sign that the New York Times has ever produced a news report about this allegedly important topic.

We find no sign of any such report by the Washington Post. In fact, we're able to find no sign of any news report on this topic by any major American newspaper. 

As for the "favorite reporters and friends" who serve as our tribunes on MSNBC, we know of no time when that AP report has ever been mentioned at all.

Does anyone give a flying felafel about the nation's black kids? Does anyone within our own blue tribe care about such kids?

Our own blue tribe has been striking that pose for at least the past sixty years. By now, does anyone care about those kids, or about anything else?

Tomorrow: Out in the city of angels, Michael Hiltzik speaks


60 comments:

  1. 4 days ago, Nichols Kristof had an oral presentation about Mississippi's improvement in reading and math. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/01/opinion/mississippi-schools-test-scores.html

    He actually went to Mississippi and sat in on a 2nd grade class to observe. He is convinced that Mississippi is truly doing things that work better. It's worth listening to. He talks about accountability, as measured by a test in 3rd grade. He talks about phonics and how reading improvement leads to math improvement.

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    1. This puts the lie to Somerby's assertion that no one is still talking about this.

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    2. It must be killing neoliberal Kristof that he has to sit in a MS classroom and observe others serving a community, instead of serving Oregon as governor. After all, he owns a vineyard there!

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    3. He is used to visiting 3rd world countries (aka shithole nations) except in this case it is a state.

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  2. Colin Woodard says your life expectancy depends on the history of your region.

    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/09/01/america-life-expectancy-regions-00113369?utm_source=pocket-newtab-en-us

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    1. It is more complicated than that. It also depends on regional eating habits, poverty, concentrations of African Americans who may have different health needs or less access to health care, presence of meth and fentanyl, suicide rates, and gun-related deaths.

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    2. Also infant mortality is factored into life expectancy but is usually ignored in the reporting; most of our life expectancy increase over the decades is not from actually living longer but from a decrease in infant mortality.

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    3. Except that with restrictions on abortion, infant mortality is now increasing in red states with harsh rules. Why? Because non-viable infants (diagnosed as such by a physician) are being carried to full term only to die soon after birth. That is inflating infant mortality. Also, women who cannot access an abortion to save their own lives are dying and inflating the maternal mortality statistics.

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    4. Important to know, but that is depressing.

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    5. This is why women are against abortion restrictions.

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    6. Not sure anyone is genuinely for abortion restrictions, Roe v Wade was decided by a Republican Supreme Court and even evangelicals supported abortion all the way until it was found to be a useful tool to weaponize in fighting desegregation.

      Even back in the 1800s when abortion restriction laws were first being passed, the context was that abortion was being done by women and pills, and male doctors, having been accredited at medical school, were losing out on profits and control over woman autonomy and empowerment.

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    7. French researchers developed abortion pills in the 1980s, not the 1800s. Each woman's medical history is different and some are simple but others are not. Claiming that his is a plot by male doctors to restrict women who had the abortion market under control, is both paranoid, but also ignores the complicated cases that require more medical intervention.

      Women have the right to a safe abortion, not a back alley one performed by a midwife or other untrained practitioner. Women work in many capacities in abortion clinics and there is not a competition between them, but rather a focus on the health of the woman. Male doctors accredited at medical schools can find many other was to make money than back-alley procedures barely skirting restrictive laws in the South. It is more likely that those male practitioners in competition with midwives were wash outs from medical schools, and that isn't who you want to give your life over to out of desperate need.

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    8. Maybe @3:18 is thinking about taking arsenic to indict abortion? There are lots of so-called toxic substances that would do it, but at a cost to the woman's health. The current abortion pills are safe -- that is their main value.

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    9. induce, not indict

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    10. Gosh you guys are so smart.

      Ha, where does the smugness come from?

      This isn’t news.

      Google, in less than a second.

      https://www.history.com/news/the-criminalization-of-abortion-began-as-a-business-tactic

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    11. contraception through the ages is not a scientific source. Crocodile dung!! You must hate women.

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    12. People who are smarter than you have the right to be smug. You’re an idiot.

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  3. A core issue with education in America is that about 60 years ago our educational system shifted from being concerned about the human experience to being concerned about human capital.

    Students and Leftists have long been aware of this, but an academic finally wrote a book about it, released early this year: The Education Myth, by Jon Shelton.

    This book has been discussed in the media, but not a word on it from Somerby, who is merely projecting when he says the “blue tribe” does not care about the education of children.

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    1. The book is not really about the commodification of education, or skipping college, or being self taught.

      It’s more about how education has shifted from serving the public good, to serving the wealthy and corporations, to producing worker bees instead of human beings.

      But to your point, for example, what good was getting a phd in economics from the University of Chicago? Sure you got to be one of the “boys”, but you also were a destructive force in society.

      For decades, there were tens of thousands of preventable and unnecessary deaths in hospitals every year because doctors were not properly educated about simply sanitizing their hands, tools, and clothing. It’s still a major problem.

      With newer technology emerging that actually simplify and/or eliminate many technical jobs, our educational system’s hyper focus on human capital because all the more pernicious.

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    2. Yes, this. I used to always be able to find employment because I knew a somewhat complicated and lengthy process in a technical field, but a few years ago, that process became literally just choosing an option on a computer and clicking. Now it’s much harder to find work, because my education was overly specialized, really a waste. Most jobs are actually bullshit jobs, or work that can be done in 2 hours instead of 10. A guy wrote a book about that too.

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    3. You should be able to retrain given that you already have some technical background. Yes, careers change and then you have to find new work. It has been that way since the industrial revolution. If you don't like your 2-hr per day of make-work, try doing manual labor, which is what unrealistic advice condemns young people to. Yes, if they are smart and enterprising, they will find their way into something better, but why should they start out with a handicap (or a chip on their shoulder about being useful to others)?

      My job wasn't bullshit, but it took a PhD. to learn to do it. Young people already have unrealistic expectations. We should be dealing with that, not encouraging them to think that education is bogus.

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    4. You may not recognize the jargon. Turning students into worker bees is the "commodifcation of education" where the job of education is to turn out compliant future employees for industry. The students are a commodity and schools run on a factory model.

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    5. You are a walking talking example of the useless of a phd.

      Actually you’re comment is so ignorant and un self aware, I call bs on you having a phd.

      Indeed, it is you who seems to have a chip on their shoulder.

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    6. I get your point 1:54 but I see no indication you are completely accurate. Quick survey of articles and academic papers on “commodification of education” shows the usage is applied more often to notions like the privatization or promotion of education and its service towards corporate profits, not towards the problem that our specific educational methods serve the notion of human capital.

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    7. It seems to me that your notion is just more abstract than what happens when you implement such programs in schools. These approaches go hand in hand.

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    8. UPS drivers will soon make $170k due to union negotiations!

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    9. I see your abstraction and raise you your strawman.

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    10. @1:59 -- ad hominem attacks don't convince anyone you are right.

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    11. 2:23 UPS drivers often have a firmer understanding of physics and psychology - informal as it may be, learned on the job.

      Many of these comments actually demonstrate the folly of being narrowly educated.

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    12. 2:26 I suppose, but since 1:50’s comment had no substance other than expressing a nihilistic tinged, blame the victim attitude towards life, there were few options.

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    13. One of my students went to work for the Clippers doing team & player statistics. Another went to work for the Kaiser Family Foundation doing health stats. Another transitioned to a M.S. progeam in stats at George Washington University. Several are teaching in community college programs around the East Valley. Several joined the LAPD. Two were accepted into the UCI Cognitive Science PhD. program. Another became a mgmt trainee for Target's headquarters. Two were Dreamers (undocumented students who I helped stay in the US). Several became teachers, since my course was required for their major. I am proud of all of them, including the ones who were less focused on their career goals, and the ones I never heard anything more from. It seems highly likely they are finding more satisfaction from their jobs and further studies than someone at UPS.

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    14. Your anecdotes drip with “hey I matter”. Aw, dude we should all love and support each other. As Freddie Mercury sings, don’t try suicide.

      They may or may not find more satisfaction from their jobs, those NPCs, than a UPS driver, but that’s missing the point in a face plant kind of way; likely those UPS drivers are finding more satisfaction from their lives than those examples doing those utterly fascinating jobs.

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    15. Corby - you're a loser troll.

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    16. Doesn’t one who acquires a PhD deserve a better life than a UPS driver?

      Surely, this must be so. Surely.

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    17. You aren't going to blame me for thinking I made a difference for some of my students, and why would you try? That is like Somerby trying to convince his readers that black kids in MS cannot learn to read.

      Each person should decide what matters to them on this earth and pursue that goal. I am not arguing that any goal is better than another but I am arguing that college is a place where teachers try to help their students realize their goals. If you think that is a bad thing, you are beyond redemption. My understanding is that UPS does a good job of helping its workers pay for college.

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    18. As you move your goalposts, you enter the strawman realm.

      I loved college, and I am sure your life has value.

      I do recognize that I would have been better served if my education had been less focused on producing a good wage slave, but I have learned a lot about fields like psychology and anthropology that better equips me to understand what leads to a healthier and happier society and individuals, than some other, no doubt good intentioned, people.

      Heaps of UPS drivers are college educated. Due to the influence of unions, UPS does a good job of helping their drivers enjoy their lives.

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    19. How many consider their current jobs temporary?

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    20. Pffff life is temporary.

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    21. 3:06 PM: You say that Somerby has been "trying to convince his readers that black kids in MS cannot learn to read"? That is nuts. You have a serious reading comprehension problem and should probably not be teaching anything to anybody.
      And, ironically, you provide a clear example of one thing Somerby frequently highlights and objects to - the tendency of some liberals to throw R-bombs indiscriminately.

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    22. Read between the lines.

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    23. "Read between the lines."
      I guess that's as close as you'll get to admitting that Somerby doesn't say what you say he says.

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    24. He doesn't say "some liberals." He says "our blue tribe." Over and over again.

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    25. Somerby doesn’t come right out and say what he means.

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    26. Go back and read what Somerby has said about the intransigence of racial gaps.

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  4. It has now been almost four months since that AP report appeared. In the months which have passed, we can find no sign that the New York Times has ever produced a news report about this allegedly important topic.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/31/opinion/mississippi-education-poverty.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/06/education/learning/mississippi-schools-literacy.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/05/opinion/mississippi-schools-naep.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/10/nyregion/reading-children-new-york.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/11/us/reading-math-test-scores-education-nwea.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/21/us/naep-test-results-education.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/05/us/politics/schools-stimulus-covid-pandemic-aid.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/03/us/us-history-test-scores.html

    It sounds to me like the NY Times cares a lot about school performance, covid, and test scores. There is no reason why the New York Times, a local newspaper serving the broader New York area, should be narrowly focused on MS test scores, but they did mention them during the time period when Somerby says they didn't.

    Why can't Somerby use Google?

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  5. "As for the "favorite reporters and friends" who serve as our tribunes on MSNBC, we know of no time when that AP report has ever been mentioned at all."

    I watched Yasmin again today. She didn't mention Trump at all. She also didn't introduce anyone as a dear friend or any kind of friend. She reported on Tarrio's sentencing and Burning Man in a professional manner, occasionally throwing to a local reporter.

    I don't know what's wrong with Somerby, but it seems to involve selective attention.

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    1. He’s trying to manufacture ignorance, he’s just not very good at it.

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  6. Hiltzick quotes Drum and Somerby but he didn't bother reading the comments of either blog, where this was discussed in technical detail. Somerby is reviving that July column. Since then, Drum walked back his statement based on reader comments. Somerby is more stubborn, still pretending he doesn't read his comments (although he did read Drum's comment section). They are both wrong about the reason for the MS score gains.

    Waiting a few months and then coming back as if nothing had been said, is dishonest.

    And then notice the whataboutism! MS may be doing better in its schools but it is still crappy for health, so nyah nyah nyah. What victory is there in a wealthy state like CA calling neener neener on a poor one like MS? And the two subjects have nothing to do with each other. MS should be proud of its accomplishments -- I still have no idea why Somerby feels compelled to rain on their parade like this.

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    1. It is possible that should MS continue with education advancements, particularly for Black students, the state will turn blue and become an ally to a state like CA.

      Somerby finds this notion horrific.

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  7. CNN Poll: Majority of Americans oppose more US aid for Ukraine in war with Russia

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    1. Good thing we don't use polls to determine our policy objectives.

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    2. Disaggregated, the poll shows it’s actually just a partisan divide, a majority of Dems are for increased support, while a majority of Repubs do not want an increase in support.

      This is unsurprising since Dems are anti fascist and pro democracy, while Repubs are led by a puppet of the fascist Putin, prefer cults of personality and fascistic dominance over equality, and get their marching orders/talking points from Russian disinformation campaigns.

      Check out the latest in Trump’s civil case in NY where he said in a deposition sure maybe he overvalued his property, but that he could find a Saudi that would probably pay any amount he wanted. This is the leader of one of two main political organizations in the US, who is perfectly happy to throw his own son under the bus to save his own hide (while also expressing a desire to fuck his own daughter), and perfectly happy to make alliances with our enemies for his own personal gain.

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    3. Oof 1:26, never stop reading at just the headline.

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    4. A bigger worry across partisan lines in the new poll is that the war will continue without a resolution for a long time.

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    5. That’s as unremarkable as worrying that polluted water will lead to health issues, or that an asteroid hitting earth could be destructive.

      It would better if Putin stopped his war sooner than later, no shit Sherlock, but that’s irrelevant to defending against fascist imperialists like Putin/Russia.

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    6. 3:37

      Your opinions mean nothing. You are full of shit.

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  8. Somerby doesn't give a flying fark about MS test scores. If he had, he would have read and thought about the debate in his own comments section, and that over at Kevin Drum's webpage. But he just wants to prove a point, not get the details right. And that point is something along the lines of black kids cannot learn, so it is a waste of money to invest in improving their education. And when you believe something like that, you are a racist.

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  9. Somerby didn't care enough about his kids to learn to teach them properly. He has no basis for accusing anyone else of not caring about them.

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  10. I wonder how red and blue states compare in regard to educational achievement. Democrats claim to be more pro-education, but do the results actually bear that out?

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    1. Try en.m.wikipedia. Blue states do best, southern states do worst, except CA which has high immigration. Texas does well but not like MA or IL MS, Arkansas and Louisiana are at the bottom.

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