SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 9, 2023
The pleasures of paraphrase: Friend, what should American children be taught in our public schools?
Also, what should students never be taught? Just last year, one well-known state passed a widely-discussed new law addressing such basic questions.
That well-known state is Florida. Just last year, Florida's legislature passed the childishly-named "Stop W.O.K.E. Act."
We still know of no way to access a clean, proofread version of this widely paraphrased law. But in this post from Thursday, Kevin Drum listed some of the things that Florida students must never be taught, according to the Florida law.
What must public school teachers teach in the Sunshine State? What must they never teach? Here's the start of the chunk of the law Drum quoted in his post:
Instruction and supporting materials on the topics enumerated in this section must be consistent with the following principles of individual freedom:
No person is inherently racist, sexist, or oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously, solely by virtue of his or her race or sex.
No race is inherently superior to another race.
No person should be discriminated against or receive adverse treatment solely or partly on the basis of race, color, national origin, religion, disability, or sex.
That language about "principles of individual freedom" strikes us as fairly silly. That said, we'd have to agree with the general thrust of what that passage says:
Should children ever be taught that one "race" "is inherently superior to some other "race?"
Public school kids should never be taught that, the Stop W.O.K.E. Act plainly says. That directive strikes us as perfectly obvious.
Moving right along, tell us this:
Should kids be taught that a person should ever be "discriminated against" solely or partly on the basis of race or national origin?
Public school kids should never be taught such a thing, the Stop W.O.K.E. Act plainly says. On its face, we'd agree with that directive—though it may all depend on what the meaning of "discriminated against" is.
(Is an Asian American kid being "discriminated against" if some selective college is looking for ways to create a student population with a wider array of ethnicities? We'll guess that opinions will differ on a semantic question like that.)
Also, the Stop W.O.K.E. Act plainly says that students should never be taught that a person is ever "inherently racist [or] sexist...solely by virtue of his or her race or sex."
That seems like a fairly obvious directive. Would you really want some teacher in some public school telling kids that white girls are inherently racist, or that black boys are inherently sexist? Would you really want to let a bunch of public school teachers, however well-intentioned you may take them to be, head down that treacherous road?
Just for the record, it's hard to enforce directives like these for a very large state.
On occasion, public school teachers will say and do the darnedest things. At such times, it may be hard to establish what has been said—but it's hard to believe that liberals would disagree with the general thrust of the directives we've listed.
In Thursday's post, Kevin continued on from there, quoting more of the text of the Florida law. Eventually, he reached the directive shown below.
Personally, we think this directive makes obvious sense. But what does this directive actually say and mean?
Instruction and supporting materials on the topics enumerated in this section must be consistent with the following principles of individual freedom:
[...]
A person should not be instructed that he or she must feel guilt, anguish, or other forms of psychological distress for actions, in which he or she played no part, committed in the past by other members of the same race or sex.
Personally, we think that directive makes sense. We don't think that some teacher should be telling a bunch of public school kids that they should—indeed, that they "must"—feel guilt for the reprehensible actions of the benighted, homicidal people who have come before them.
There are many such people in human history. For example, should kids be told that they "must feel guilt" because of what Adolph Hitler did?
That strikes us as a weird idea. Would you really want a public school teacher heading down some such road?
To the extent that it can be quoted, we've quoted some chunks of The Stop W.O.K.E. Act. To the extent that such legislation can ever be enforced, we think that these provisions make sense.
We don't think that kids should be taught that one "race" is superior to some other "race." We don't think that kids should be taught that they should or must feel guilt for what miscreants in the past have done.
That said, the human heart wants what it wants. More specifically, the human heart often wants The Others to be morally and intellectually wrong in every possible way.
In our view, so it went when Adam Serwer recently paraphrased that provision about anguish and guilt. And so it went, to our surprise, when Drum, our favorite blogger, offered his own paraphrase.
It seems to us that Serwer's account of what that provision says and means is just plainly wrong (though it's also very familiar.) That said, his paraphrase serves a basic pleasure principle, in which we blues are encouraged to believe that The Others are always stupid and evil and wrong.
We were surprised to see Drum go there too! In our view, his subsequent paraphrase of that directive is also weirdly inaccurate.
(Paraphrase can be like that! We noted that fact long ago.)
We may have more on this topic next week. There's a lot to be said about what should (and shouldn't) be taught in the nation's public schools.
An important discussion could emerge from that question. That said, our failing discourse doesn't run on the fuel of careful discussion.
Over and over and over and over, our discourse now runs on the rocket fuel of pleasing tribal attacks. Quite plainly, nothing is going to change that fact. According to major future historians, Alea iacta est!
For the record: Alea iacta est?
According to the leading authority, "Caesar was said to have borrowed the phrase from Menander, the famous Greek writer of comedy, whom he appreciated more than the Roman playwright Terence."
Courts are continuing to back up the devastating findings of the something burger Twitter files:
ReplyDelete"Biden administration coerced social media giants into possible free speech violations: court"
The White House, health officials and the FBI may have violated the First Amendment rights of people posting about COVID-19 and elections on social media by pressuring technology companies to suppress or remove the posts, a federal appeals court ruled late Friday.
The decision from the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals partly upheld an order from a Louisiana federal judge that blocked many federal agencies from having contact with companies like Facebook, YouTube and X, formerly Twitter, about content moderation.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2023/09/08/biden-administration-coerced-facebook-court-rules/70800723007/
History will marvel at this whole episode. After 2016, powerful institutions used a threat of antitrust litigation against tech companies to pressure them in to creating a system of censorship.
DeleteIt worked really well and basically they went completely insane with it.
Tech companies were taking calls from all over the White House every day with people indiscriminately demanding posts they didn't like be taken down.
Because of the Twitter files they are straight up busted red-handed.. All they can do and are doing is create more disinformation and propaganda about it. So far pretty successfully. It may be that they will succeed in history will bury their immoral criminality.
The memo amongst the devious disinformation agents that support and want to continue to suppress free speech and spread thdisis information is to simply label the Twitter files of nothing burger. And that's worked out really well. At least with the set of people on the left who got stuck in a bubble of liberal blogs from two decades ago that were once relevant but got caught behind the times. Horribly.
DeleteThe White House asked for the dick pics of Hunter Biden, stolen from his laptop and being spread by Guo Wengui, a Chinese exhiled mogul working with Steve Bannon to target Hunter Biden, to be removed from Twitter. Hunter Biden is now suing for invasion of privacy and defamation. The dick pics and other disinformation is not protected under the first ammendment.
DeleteSocial media should not be used for despicable revenge-porn style attacks on the relatives of politicians (who are NOT themselves running for any office). Nor should it be used to spread disinformation, lies and propaganda to the unwary. When the White House asks to have dick picks and libeloua info removed, it is not infringing on the rights of a foreign national like Guo, who has no right to meddle in a US election, just because the person targeted was the son of the president.
Representing this as a human rights issue makes you right wing fuckers total scum, in my opinion. Note that the court decision you refer to was partially upheld. Why not tell readers what the actual decision was?
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/12/hunter-biden-laptop-bannon-guo-musk/
This is the publication that Kevin Drum used to write for.
These court rulings don't agree with your armchair theories.
DeleteMaybe you can turn on MSNBC and be told something that feels good about it and about who you are.
This is akin to when they pretended to have found Ashley Biden's diary and said that it contained a passage in which her father had tried to molest her. She did nothing wrong except be Biden's daughter. And Biden did not do what was claimed by right wing operatives whose sole motive is to slime a largely spotless candidate.
DeletePretending that this has anything to do with the govt suppressing individual rights is just as ugly a tactic. It will get well-meaning upset for no reason. There seem to be no depths too low for Republicans to stoop to.
Somerby seems to think these guys deserve some benefit of doubt, but they are beneath contempt. I'm glad Musk bought Twitter and is running it into the ground. It was being used for malicious attacks and now the right has taken it over so they can do more dirty shit. These are not good, decent people and they deserve both Musk and each other.
Ratfucking is not protected by our Constitution.
Delete“partly upheld” lol, with “victories” like this who needs losses.
DeleteFurther hilarity, this was about a Republican lawsuit, unrelated to disgraced Matt Tiabbi’s “Twitter file” nothingburger.
From the reporting:
“The panel of judges, all GOP nominees…
the order limits the scale of the injunction, which had previously included the State Department, the Department of Homeland Security, Health and Human Services. Today's order applies only to the White House, the surgeon general, the CDC and FBI…
It provided exceptions for the government to inform social media companies about posts involving criminal activity, national security threats, and foreign interference in elections...
The Trump administration also communicated with platforms about content it objected to. After Twitter fact-checked then-President Donald Trump's tweets in 2020, Trump signed an executive order taking aim at an important legal shield for online platforms…
The Biden administration says it isn't telling social media companies what to take down or how to set their policies, but that it has an interest in promoting accurate information about urgent issues like public health and elections, and curbing the spread of illegal material including terrorism and child sex abuse.”
Oof. Talk about the lion that didn’t roar.
More:
“the three-judge panel said the preliminary injunction issued by US District Judge Terry Doughty in July, which ordered some Biden administration agencies and top officials not to communicate with social media companies about certain content, was “both vague and broader than necessary…
the administration wrote, “There is a categorical, well-settled distinction between persuasion and coercion,”…
the appeals court said, “those terms could also capture otherwise legal speech. So, the injunction’s language must be further tailored to exclusively target illegal conduct and provide the officials with additional guidance or instruction on what behavior is prohibited.”
The appeals court reversed several aspects of Doughty’s sweeping order, concluding that those pieces of it risked blocking the federal government “from engaging in legal conduct.”
The 5th circuit left the order, which had been temporarily blocked earlier in the summer, on pause for 10 days so that the case can be appealed to the Supreme Court.”
Ow ow ow, the order is on pause pending (an obvious reversal) appeal to the SC, lol!
More on Trump censoring social media:
“President Trump signed an executive order Thursday aimed at limiting the broad legal protections enjoyed by social media companies…
Trump said from the Oval Office. "A small handful of powerful social media monopolies control the vast portion of all private and public communications in the United States."
Ow ow ow oof, lol!
So instead of addressing what the judges said, you prefer to attack the judge's character, casting down on their decision. Decision. The decision, the substance of which you won't even address.
DeleteIt may work out for you. We'll just have to see. It is good that you've chosen to side with the most powerful institutions of the world. They usually figure out a way to won. So you're probably good.
DeleteNo one is attacking the judge’s character by pointing out their partisanship. Get a grip, lol!
DeleteThe comment above is nothing but substance, detailing how this is all yet another nothingburger.
Your comment is just irrelevant fluff, which is not illegal, more power to you.
Thanks for your approval and for your interesting interpretations of the judge's ruling.
DeleteI agree, I too find the original commenters interpretation of the ruling to be a case of willful ignorance. The original order did not have any teeth to it, being so vague (literally anything can be considered national security) and without any enforcement mechanism, and then the new ruling put further limits on it before just absolutely pausing it due to the likely pending reversal from the Supreme Court.
DeleteThe question does not concern whether speech is conservative, moderate, liberal, progressive, or somewhere in between. What matters is that Americans, despite their views, will not be censored or suppressed by the Government.
DeleteThe Biden administration took that ability to censor which they thought they were doing in secret, and they were doing in secret, and basically when completely insane. Censoring almost anything that they felt was derogatory. Kind of like the pathetic logic of the troll here who thinks that any criticisms of Democrats is some kind of advocacy against them. Just completely blighted , idiotic logic. The logic of a 6-year-old child. But the power was so great that the Biden administration could not resist the temptation to use it again and again and again. Musk bought Twitter and exposed them. They got caught. Not red-handed. They still have some plausible deniability. But the whole episode illustrates how it's very important for all of us to address these free speeds issues in the era of social media companies who are monopolies. It's not a partisan issue at all. It does happen that the Biden administration got caught abusing their power and censoring Americans, but it just is likely could have been Republicans. It's almost an impossible tool not to use for people who crave power. That's why we the people in a bipartisan way have to address this really really important issue.
DeleteFor instance, god forbid, Trump gets elected again. He could claim something is disinformation just because he doesn't like it. Is that a power you want him to have? That is a power we've given to the FBI and the Biden administration. They abuse the living shit out of it and only 2 years. And the things they claimed were misinformation, hunter Biden's laptop and the covet lab leak, turned out to be true! It's no good. People have the right to free speech. People have the right to be wrong. And we the people have to stop the government from further abusing our rights to free speech as the Biden administration. So cravenly did. And a Republican administration will do the moment they have a chance to.
DeleteTo be fair, the 1st Amendment is not absolute.
DeleteRight? You knew that right?
The order itself was merely a silly right wing political stunt, with all its carve outs, inability of enforcement, and further limitations by the later ruling.
Still it’s good that it is paused pending an appeal to the SC, with a likely reversal - the SC is not going to want a potential Trump presidency so limited.
Because we’ve learned over and over that you give the right wing Republicans an inch and they take a mile, so it’s no more playing nice from the Dems too.
I don't know what you mean. But thank you for responding and offering your thoughts about this important matter.
DeleteYou'll see when the shoe is on the other foot and Trump has the ability to waive a magic wand and declare something misinformation how powerful and destructive it is and how it is a completely bipartisan issue that we all must focus on and address. It's extremely important to our republic.
We've seen now what can happen when a political party has just a little bit of this power. Only over 3 years the abuse the Biden administration used to censor people, as we know from the Twitter files, was orgiastic and insane. It was a forbidden fruit they could not resist. And you know that they are vastly morally superior to Republicans so just imagine what would happen when Republicans have the same power.
If you live in a world where your side is all good and the other side is all bad. It's neurotic. There's a word for it. Splitting. Or black and white thinking. It's used to describe people with behavioral issues. Thinking this way drives them crazy. And you see it happening now on a larger scale with groups of people committing this same behavioral and cognitive mistake.
DeleteWhat does the first amendment being absolute have to do with anything? Is someone suggesting this case is about these Plaintiffs asking for absolute free speech? Why bring up the first amendment being absolute? Please explain.
Delete12:51,
DeleteThat was me who said the judges are goat-fuckers. Is it wrong for me to use my First Amendment right of freedom of speech this way? Maybe the goat-fucking judges can rule on that, too.
The first amendment does not protect slander or libel or defamation.
Delete3:44 et al, just because you’re ignorant of the Constitution and the circumstances of the issue at hand, does not excuse your bizarrely false and nonsensical comments.
DeleteYou have bought into the Trump/Republican/right wing framing, but it failed you; there was no censorship, “Twitter files” was a pr stunt just like the judge’s inane order, which has already been primarily dismantled prior to being paused in order for the SC to reverse the order.
You yammer on with falsehoods, ignoring how the substance of the issue has been addressed with rationality, relegating yourself to the ash heap of history.
Good try but the judge affirmed that the Biden White House and FBI both violated the first amendment.
DeleteEg. We find that the White House, acting in concert with the Surgeon General’s office, likely (1) coerced the platforms to make their moderation decisions by way of intimidating messages and threats of adverse consequences, and (2) significantly encouraged the platforms’ decisions by commandeering their decision-making processes, both in violation of the First Amendment.
That's four federal judges that all so far have agreed with the plaintiffs that Biden and the FBI was censoring content in violation of citizen's rights. That's what the Twitter Files is about.
Violating people's first amendment rights through intimidation and threats is kind of not cool. And no, the Supreme Court is not going to find that Biden didn't do it. That's because it's too late. He's caught. That part of it is over. It's just where do we go from here.
Those four goat-fucking judges will say anything to change the subject about them having sex with goats all the time.
Delete#freedomofspeech
If only I had been able to see Hunter Biden's dick pics, I would have changed my vote to Trump. LOL
DeleteThat's a lot of what the Twitter files is. Just catching the government, in this case. Democrats and the FBI censoring the citizens they are supposed to be representing.
DeleteAnd in this case they were caught red-handed. Pathetic trolls try to pretend like they were not which is very sad to see and pathetic as I said.
But that's how black and white, partisan thinking works with low bred, on educated partisans.
But the key point is that Republicans will cheat next time in the same way the Democrats were caught cheating and illegally censoring this time. So we have to work it out. We have to come to a consensus as citizens as to what the power to censor really means and how people's right to free speech can be asserted in an environment where tech companies control information with a monopoly.
(And where the government controls the tech companies through threats of antitrust legislation as we now know from the Twitter files.)
DeleteIf you want to let someone know you're a gullible fool, without using the words "I'm a gullible fool", you can't do better than bringing-up the Twitter Files.
DeleteWhat government? Saudi Arabia? India?
DeleteIt’s just more faceplanting nonsense.
DeleteThose judges are all Trump supporting right wing Republicans engaging in a propagandistic stunt. They hold no credibility. The order was so embarrassingly bad, the Republican appeal judges not only had to dismantle most of the order, they paused it, pending a SC reversal, just to save face.
You may be a true believer, and it’s a case of the emperor’s new clothes, or you may be a right wing troll, either case, you got suckered.
Trump can request Twitter and Facebook to remove posts that call out Trump’s nonsense all he wants. No one actually has an issue with that. From Matt Tiabbi and his ilk, it’s just performative garbage meant to line their pockets.
Biden, as a candidate, can request revenge porn posts of his son be removed, can as president, ask posts about drinking chlorine to be removed; and that’s fine as well.
Those corporations act at their discretion. And if they comply, we can judge those decisions on their merits, and vote accordingly.
The breadth of your ignorance is, frankly, breathtaking.
Come on, 8:32, who doesn't enjoy seeing Gym Jordan stepping on his own dick repeatedly and making an ass of himself swinging that gavel?
DeleteChildren should not be taught that Karen is guilty.
ReplyDeleteChildren should not have their ebikes stolen by white women crying "wolf".
DeleteIronically it was my child (who is an adult) that taught me that Citi Bike Karen was factually guilty of trying to bully a bicycle away from a Black kid.
DeleteThey keep up on social media and new media, where the Black kid’s story was factually covered as opposed to being ignored in corporate media.
The young man was cheating. The cost per minute is higher for long trips, so he divided his ride into short trips, and maintained control of the bike between those short trips, while he was not paying. And he didn’t stop momentarily; he rested. And he wasn’t paying while resting.
DeleteKaren came along and rented the bike. He took it from her by force , after she started paying for it.
He then resumed paying for it, at the short trip rate, even though he was on a long trip.
Karen is innocent.
2:17 your assessment is false.
DeleteCiti Bike riders are allowed to pause their rentals and re rent to avoid the higher fees, otherwise Citi Bike could easily prevent such a circumstance. This is well known, and this activity is universally and routinely engaged in, particularly for someone like the Black kid, who comes from a poor immigrant family that are legally indigent, he literally had no other way to get home.
He did stop momentarily, he had been stopped for only a couple minutes at the most (you can tell this by when his last rental ended and the video starts) and was holding onto the bicycle, holding the handlebars, when he was approached by Citi Bike Karen, who proceeded to aggressively and violently try to bully the bicycle away from him.
During the struggle, where she tried to pry his hands off the bicycle, and snatched his phone away, that was when she swiped the QR code, temporarily starting a rental which the kid easily ended seconds later by re docking the bicycle, since it was in his possession.
He never took the bicycle away from her, she never had possession of it.
Her aggressive and violent struggle ended when a White passerby suggested she just rent one of the many other bikes available, which she promptly did.
This is all demonstrated by the video, as well as the receipts provided by the kid after he received death threats.
Karen makes over $100k/year, she did not need the bicycle, she could have easily taken the subway, taken a taxi, an Uber, a Lyft, etc. All options the kid did not have.
Karen’s behavior was repugnant, and so are her defenders.
Karen did not steal the bike. The young man, holding the bike while not renting it, was stealing it. After Karen rented it, he could have rented a different bike.
DeleteKaren is innocent.
No one is innocent.
DeleteKaren did not steal the bike, but she tried to. She didn’t rent the bike, she tried to rent it while the bike was in the kid’s possession, in an attempt to blame the victim, in an attempt of racist aggression.
DeleteKaren is well off, unlike the Black kid who lives in poverty and needed the e-bike to get home, she makes over $100k per year, she could have taken the subway, a taxi, an Uber, a Lyft, asked a co worker, a friend, her husband for a ride, rented a limo, etc.
She failed in her aggressive attempt to bully a bike from a Black kid, but she succeeded in conning suckers like you. Fortunately we have the video and the receipts to prove that Karen is guilty, and that her behavior was repugnant, just like you, just like all her conned defenders.
The young man was standing next to the bike while it was in the dock, which meant he was not paying for it. Karen rented it, as the records show, but he then shoved it back into the dock, with her on it, forcibly ending her rental.
DeleteHe maintained illegitimate control (not possession) while not paying, and he obstructed a paying customer.
The Black kid was holding onto the bicycle. He docked it in order to re rent it and avoid higher fees, which is something all Citi Bike users routinely do, particularly poor kids such as himself.
DeleteKaren is well off, makes over $100k per year, she had many options other than trying to aggressively bully a Black kid off a bicycle. Indeed, when a White passerby said “just rent a different bicycle”, she dropped her aggression and her phony victimhood, and rented a different bicycle.
But when she got home, she was steamed, HOW DARE HE, SOME NOTHING BLACK KID, NOT RECOGNIZE MY SUPERIORITY, MY AUTHORITY, MY PRIVILEGE, the thought that some low rent Black kid did not BOW DOWN to her authority stewed in her warped head so much that she hired a lawyer to concoct a false narrative and perpetrate a grift.
HOW DARE HE!, she steamed.
Karen only temporarily rented it as part of, and in the middle of, her struggle to push him off the bicycle; she was not on the bicycle, she never was, and the kid did not shove it, since he maintained possession of the bicycle throughout Karen’s attack on him, he was able to easily re dock the bicycle.
She did falsely accuse the Black kid of touching her, and hurting her fetus, in a really disgusting display of racism. The kid never touched her, as she tried to pry his hand off the bicycle, and then she snatched his phone away.
There is video, so your claims are demonstrably false.
The kid had possession of the bicycle, as he had for hours; there was no obstruction.
Again, we have the video as well as the receipts that prove you are lying. You defending Karen is no less despicable and repugnant as her behavior in aggressively trying to bully a Black kid off a bicycle while falsely claiming victimhood in a racially charged manner.
Somerby and Trump seemed surprised that people earn money for work they have done.
ReplyDelete"We may have more on this topic next week."
ReplyDeleteThanks for the warning.
"That said, the human heart wants what it wants. More specifically, the human heart often wants The Others to be morally and intellectually wrong in every possible way."
ReplyDeleteThe heart wants what it wants is a phrase used in the context of romantic love, to convey the idea that sometimes attractions don't make logical sense.
It has nothing to do with political animosity or with the deep divisions now plaguing our political system. For one thing, love is thought of as the opposite of hate, but Somerby seems to confuse the two.
For another thing, most liberals I know are saddened by the behavior on the right. Look at the attack on Biden's son and daughter described above. It is horrifying that anyone would do such things to the children of a presidential candidate. We don't want the right wing (Somerby's Others) to behave like that. Why would we wish harm to our own candidate's children?
Why cannot Somerby recognize that such behavior is already morally and intellectually wrong, without us liberals wishing for it? Most of the liberals I know are upset about the current state of politics. We are shocked by right wing thinking and behavior and we devoutly wish for the right to come to its senses and behave better. So far, it isn't happening. Initially we only had Trump. Now we have Boebert and MTG and the entire circus of miscreants who think it is funny to send migrants on a bus to CA in the middle of Hurrican Hillary, or to place barriers in a river to drown people who try to swim it, deliberately slaughtering them (Somerby only complains about European migrants). Trump says they should be shot on sight by border agents (never mind that such a thing would be against our Constitution, as would bombing Mexico).
The right is out of control. We didn't make them that way via wishing. Somerby doesn't care what he says anymore, and today he once again says something so awful that there is no doubt that he belongs over there with the assholes -- the elected representatives who say they are praying for Biden to die.
Somerby says “love hurts”, openly admitting he is a wounded dark soul with no humanity left.
DeleteConsidering the enormity of suicides among White Americans, one worries about Somerby’s circumstance, and if he has access to any kind of mental or emotional support.
Somerby, if you’re reading this, please get help, there is no shame.
The amazing White suicide rate, which dwarfs murder rates, is in large part a function of a lack of reasonable gun safety laws, but also the psychological strain of misdeeds echoing through the ages, not the least of which is generational abuse, although obviously guilt over oppression being such an incredibly destructive societal force, plays it’s part as well.
DeletePeople who cannot reach out for emotional help sometimes develop what psychoanalysts call a "conversion disorder." A needy person projects his or her emotional pain onto their own body, experiencing physical symptoms that can be brought to a physician for healing and nursing when their psychic distress cannot be. Certain disorders lend themselves to this, especially chronic pain disorders and disorders with real but mild symptoms that are exaggerated and felt as major pain (ie, migraines and other headaches, arthritis and rheumatism, lower bach pain with no visible injury, sleep disorders, skin problems like eczema, psoriasis, hives, rashes and allergies, vague complaints with no obvious cause that do not respond to treatment of any kind. A back problem, for example, that does not respond to even surgery may be psychogenic. In some cultures, all strong emotions (sadness and grief) are described in terms of physiological symptoms (tiredness, exhaustion, fatigue, lack of energy). Our culture divides between emotion and physiological pain, so people can avoid dealing with their problems while seeking a physical diagnosis and medicine. In many cases, drug addiction is self-medication for psychological distress, not self-indulgent pleasure-seeking. In a way, it is more honest than fooling one's own consciousness into thinking we are sick or injured. People doing this generally refuse a psychological consult in a hospital, unless required by law.
DeleteNone of us knows Somerby. There is odd leakage of inappropriate remarks and affect into his essays. I have worried about him too, and said so. I hope his stint in the hospital got him lots of caring attention, that he felt important and worthy of care from a team of helpful people, that he has returned home with a plan for recovery, and that he will now be in closer touch with relatives and perhaps a social worker from the hospital, who will make sure he continues to feel loved. It is normal to need such caring from others, even if an unorthodox approach produces it. But being mean to liberals and saying horrible things about Biden and others on the left isn't going give him a positive view of himself. It feels yucky to hurt other people and I cannot imagine the right wing feels good about itself. That may be why suicide is more prevalent in the red states, where hate is out in the open and encouraged as political expression. Gratitude, helping others, doing good deeds, feeling empathy, tend to be healing for those who are depressed or in despair. And human connection, but who wants to connect with a person who lashes out and thus cannot be trusted, and who is mean-spirited and bigoted, as Somerby reveals himself to be, on an increasingly frequent basis. Happiness isn't rocket science -- Jesus nailed it, but you don't need the religion to practice the good parts, the ones the extreme right is currently rejecting as "too woke."
1:35 your comment is touchingly humane and I found it helpful in considering my own circumstances as well, thank you.
DeleteDid Adam Serwer misrepresent that Florida law on purpose or because he didn't bother to check the actual wording? Hanlon's razor says, "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." However, I don't think Adam Serwer is stupid. I went to Rochelle High School with his parents. They are super smart.
ReplyDeleteSo, I believe Serwer's inaccuracies were intentional. It's part of a campaign to demonize any prominent conservative.
It's not just conservatives who are the targets. Even non-conservatives get unfairly demonized if they don't fully follow the liberal narrative People like Elon Musk, J.K. Rowling, and Scott Adams.
Even a smart person can misunderstand a vaguely worded law. Just like the law being discussed here that the three-panel judges limited because it was too vague. Nor would Serwar's misunderstandings have to be intentional, given the vagueness of the law itself.
DeleteCalling a legitimate complaint about the vagueness of the law a "liberal narrative" strikes me as biased and unfair to those who are trying to figure out how to teach without being fired under that too-vague law. Are you, David, also saying that all those teachers across FL and the other states enacting such laws, are themselves promoting a liberal narrative and making disingenuous complaints about it -- to the point of selling homes and moving?
Given the vagueness of the law, how can you, David, know for sure whether Serwer's supposed "inaccuracies" are even inaccurate? Because Somerby says so? That wouldn't do it for me.
Only a Republican can call someone super smart and make it sound like disparagement. What is wrong with you guys?
The Washington Post profiled Adam Server’s father in a 2014 article, offering details about his father’s high school experience, including marrying his high school sweetheart.
DeleteDIC does not know the Serwers, did not go to high school with them, DIC is yet again strangely inserting himself into history, Zelig-style.
Furthermore, he misidentifies Musk, Rowling, and Adams - all, uncontroversially, right wingers.
They might be right-wingers by now, due to the left's nasty treatment of them.
DeleteBTW @1:28, if you're the commenter who claimed to be a friend of my cousin Lizzie, you'll be happy to know that she and her son just moved from jersey City to Ossining to live with her new husband.
" ... due to the left's nasty treatment of them."
DeleteCites please.
Had teachers in Florida been giving classes on sexual orientation, gender identity, and white privilege in elementary and high school?
DeleteOtherwise, why would they now be quaking in their boots that they might somehow “teach” to these subjects?
Gender identity is formed in early grades.
DeleteThere is no such thing as "white privilege". People get confused because white people think they are losing their station in life when there is economic and judicial equality for all people.
DeleteTeaching children to ignore the fearful cries of white people is a step in the right direction.
Anonymices, I’ll take that as a yes.
Delete@6:58 - here is a cite for nasty treatment of JW Rowling
DeleteHow J. K. Rowling Became Voldemort
The backlash against the Harry Potter creator is a growing pain of her fandom
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/07/why-millennial-harry-potter-fans-reject-jk-rowling/613870/
@11:42 Nasty treatment of Scott Adams was firstly that his popular comic strip Doonesbury was removed from all newspapers.
Delete@11:42 Some nasty treatment of Elon Musk is described at https://www.grunge.com/422149/the-biggest-critics-of-elon-musk/
Deleteand also at
A Reminder of Just Some of the Terrible Things Elon Musk Has Said and Done
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/04/elon-musk-twitter-terrible-things-hes-said-and-done
Wrong cartoon.
DeleteThanks for the correction, Cecilia. I should have said "Dilbert". The cancellation is described at The cautionary tale of ‘Dilbert’
Deletehttps://theconversation.com/the-cautionary-tale-of-dilbert-200887
Dilbert deserved to be drpped by various papers. In Denver it was replaced by Pearls Before Swine, a much funnier strip.
DeleteGolly, according to David, bigots can’t attack minorities anymore without blowback from non-bigoted readers. What’s a bigot to do?
DeleteI have hated the way Adams depicts women in Dilbert for decades, but it has seemed that women’s reactions don’t matter. I’m glad to find that others also fing him deeply offensive. Why did it take so long for papers to figure out he needed to go?
@1:37 Did you notice how Dilbert depicted men? They were depicted as lazy and dumb. It's a comic strip! Everyone was depicted badly.
DeleteWhile DIC defends transphobes, homophobes, and rape apologists, while pretending he knows the Serwers, he also quotes a profile of Lizzie Skurnick (her real friends and family call her Liz) pretending inside knowledge that’s actually in the article, continuing his bizarre imitation? embodiment? of the fictional character Zelig - maybe it’s some kind of performance art?
DeleteLiz and I go back a long way.
DeleteThe truly amazing person is the mother of Lizzie (not Liz) Skurnick. Blanche, a black woman, earned a Ph.D., became a Professor and wrote two books. She got bored with teaching a lot of remedial classes. So she took Biology and Chemistry classes at night, then went to Medical school and became a Physician. Blanche's first year as a student at UMDNJ happened to be my wife's first year on the faculty there.
DeleteMeanwhile she raised three children and managed a good sized house. She was a wonderful person. I miss her greatly.
See https://health.usnews.com/doctors/blanche-skurnick-1840989
@8:07 If you really know Lizzie, can you tell us what field her mother's Ph.D. was in?
English Lit.
DeleteDIC you are just repeating facts available in articles profiling Skurnick and Serwer, but you failed to read closely, since “Lizzie” clearly states in an article that her friends and family call her “Liz”. Doh!
DeleteApparently, you are the lonely and alienated tragic figure that was being characterized in the movie Zelig, starved for attention. As such, you’d be better off engaging in your local community than bizarrely pretending you know people like the Skurncks and the Serwers, which, by the way, is embarrassing, since no one is impressed by these things.
Liz Skurnick’s Uncle David won the Michele Bachman Prize in 1985.
DeleteThere is consensus among teachers, who must adhere to the laws, that they are deliberately vague in order to suppress teaching of certain curriculum and materials, allowing districts to do what they want in their districts when it comes to suspending, investigating, firing teachers and removing materials. The vagueness is a feature, not a bug, and those trying to paraphrase are reflecting the vagueness, not doing a poor job of reading or summarizing. Meanwhile, Somerby pretends this is straightforward, largely because he always believes that his own understanding is correct and other people are wrong when they diverge from him.
ReplyDeleteNot only have teachers and unions stated this complaint explicitly, but many are voting with their feet. There was an article yesterday saying that 50% of FL college professors are seeking a new job out of state. I don't blame them -- they are protected by tenure, but not from vague laws expanding what it meants to violate terms of employment.
Somerby has suggested that this isn't happening, but there are too many cases of specific teachers being removed from their classrooms, and of materials being removed from them too. Those instances constitute a cooling influence on teaching freely, and they are a warning to every other teacher that the same could happen to them, without even knowing what they did wrong.
And no, this is not just feel-good liberal reporting. This is what is happening on the ground to teachers who must implement the laws that Somerby clearly dismisses as no big deal. Somerby's goal is plain. He is shillining for the right, supporting DeSantis and his run amok extremist moms for liberty, and he is maligning the left as believing the worst of the right wing, exactly when they are behaving badly, as if we had not right to be concerned.
Exactly correct. The public school system has become a target for DeSantis and the Florida state legislature. This is particularly true at the highest levels, but teachers across the board have been targeted with accusations that have no bearing on reality but make good sound bites for the MAGA base. The thought that 1-3 grade teachers might be grooming their students or teaching them inappropriate sexual material did not exist until DeSantis made it an issue. The removal of books from classrooms out of fear of being prosecuted as a third degree felon was the norm after the passage of a vague law and the banning of over 40% of math texts, many with no explanation despite questions posed by the press. Insulting teachers trained in their profession by formally accepting as adequate credentials for teaching the experience of having served in the military. Subsidizing private education by earmarking public funds to be applied to the tuition at private schools, irrespective of institution, meaning that a wealthy parent sending their child to a $40k tuition prep school now gets subsidized with public money. Eliminating tenure, A move that makes recruiting talented educators at the university level especially difficult. Imposing politics crassly into the hiring of high level administrators, irrespective of their inexperience, such as Ben Sasse presiding over the University of Florida, a move held in contempt by many in the student body and faculty. Completely overhauling a small liberal arts college to meet a right wing political agenda. Calling into question the legitimacy of certain AP classes for purely political reasons. Developing a contentious relationship with the College Board and introducing a largely unheard of standardized test as substitute for SAT and ACT exams, not used in any other state in this country. These many assaults on public education, abetted by school boards stacked with right wing individuals have had a chilling effect on educators and have left parents of k-12 students wondering about how these changes will play out in regard to the quality of their children's education and how well received a high school diploma in Florida will be in high ranking universities out of state. Somerby either doesn't know the context here, which would be ignorant, or is purposely ignoring it, which would be dishonest.
DeleteYour comment would be easier to read if you divided it into paragraphs.
DeleteTeaching children to write their thoughts in paragraphs is grooming!
Delete6:19: Paragraph has one theme. Sorry that you had trouble with it.
Delete8:32 Substanceless snark.
You’re not sorry at all. You’re smirking because you think you’re a superior intellect.
DeleteCriticizing paragraph length makes you pedantic and preoccupied with sperficiality, not an intellect @12:17. Leave unamused alone if you cannot address his arguments.
DeleteSkillfully paragraphed comments are more legible.
Delete12:17: compare the content I posted at 1:59 with anonymous at 6:19. The 1:59 entry contained 12 sentences. Now tell me why I should not feel intellectually superior to someone who has nothing to add except to complain that they have trouble reading a 12 sentence paragraph. The trouble with anonymous posters, as Cecelia would say, is that they don't build a resume of content by which to be considered intelligent one way or another. Which is OK, except when their only identifiable entry is a comment about how difficult it is to read twelve sentences without breaking the entry into multiple parts. Then, I would like to know, has this poster ever entered any informative content?
DeleteNo.
DeleteUnamused,
DeleteNot enough substance in 8:32's snark to make policy around it?
Asking for Republicans who set policy based on much less substance, than 8:32's snark.
Unamused you are a mensch, carry on as before and know you are appreciated.
DeleteThanks, I come here to get grammatical advice.
DeleteRight wingers write these laws purposefully vague in order to enforce them however they please, in order to make them difficult to criticize, and in order to provide a chilling effect and give right wingers plausible deniability.
ReplyDeleteLatest Biden/Trump polling, from Morning Consult, has Biden +3 over Trump, about the same as 2020.
ReplyDeleteThe wording of the statute is indeed quite obviously correct. So obvious, in fact, that one wonders why such a law is necessary? Were students being instructed that they MUST feel shame for what others did in the past? I don't recall that we've been offered any clear examples.
ReplyDeleteThe problem here is that the authors of the law have enumerated behaviors that are so obviously wrong that any reasonable observer may suspect that there's some other motive involved. Until we see concrete actions under this new law, we can only guess at what those motives might be.
Do any other recent executive actions in Florida give any clues to what DeSantis real objectives might be? Well, maybe. He has worked to install curriculum from right-wing wackaloon Dennis Prager's "university" into Florida's schools. He has also eviscerated the board and faculty of a small liberal arts college in the state and replaced it with partisan activist Christopher Rufo and his accomplices.
There are not even-handed efforts. It requires no great stretch of imagination to find idelogical motives in these orders.
So Bob, you'll have to forgive me for caving to the fanciful nontions of "our blue tribe." DeSantis has shown us who he is. We'd be fools not to believe him.
DeleteQuaker -- I'm glad to hear that you consider the banned behavior to be obviously wrong. Yet, the wrongness is not obvious to everyone. Yesterday, on this very blog, a couple of commenters criticized Florida's standards
"...what DeSantis real objectives might be?"
DeleteHmm... what might it be, what might it be..?
Hey, here's an idea: to stop the woke, perhaps?
Since DeSantis can't define "woke", perhaps his incentive is to stop children from being taught, altogether.
DeleteMy previous comment to David in Cal was deleted. Somerby has a warm spot in his heart for David, it appears. David comes here to drop his turds in the punch bowl and then insults the intelligence of the people who try to answer him respectfully. Yes, David, you're a smart-ass coward, just like your hero, Donald J Chickenshit. David doesn't have the intellectual honesty to respond to the substance of Quaker's comment in good faith. It appears Somerby likes his right wing fascist trolls commenting here.
Delete@8:35 AM
DeleteYeah, right. But perhaps the governor of Florida is familiar with this educator:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbZ5SVMSAzs
@9:16 AFAIK Bob doesn't read his comments..
DeleteI did respond to the substance of Quaker's argument. Quaker argued that the things banned by the Florida law were already totally unthinkable, so DeSantis must have had a hidden motive for the law. I responded by pointing out that these things are not unthinkable to some people, so the law was needed. Thus, there's no reason to deduce hidden motive. YMMV
No you did not, David. You never touched any of the examples Quaker gave of other acts by the fascist governor. For example, you approve of PragerU propaganda videos being approved for public school curriculum? You claim that the law was needed because some anonymous person on a progressive blog agreed to what?
DeleteNot only does Bob read the comments, he has a few sock puppets here as well.
DeleteI am one of Bob’s sock puppets. He
Delete“what should American children be taught in our public schools?”
ReplyDeleteAs Quaker in a basement notes, are there any actual examples of teachers teaching the opposite of the items in the “stop woke act”?
The problem is in the way it is interpreted. If a teacher wants to discuss what is known as structural racism (a concept that is at least factually plausible), the Florida law can be used to silence it. Remember, the law applies to college as well as K-12, so Somerby’s narrowing of it to “the children” is disingenuous. Somerby is shameless in his willful obliviousness to the intent of someone he has previously called an authoritarian bully (DeSantis and his legislative henchmen).
Let it be recorded that Somerby stands with reactionary authoritarians.
MH - IMO structural racism is real and very widespread. I think just about every ethnic group feels closer to people of their own ethnicity. So, whites and Asians are, to some degree prejudiced against blacks, and blacks are, to some degree, prejudiced against whites and Asians. Ditto for Jews and gentiles. Muslims and non-Muslims.
DeleteHowever, even though structural racism is real, IMO it has no place in school. A teacher could build up prejudice against any group by pointing out negatives about. E.g., the teacher could focus on whites being slavers. The teacher could focus on blacks committing a disproportionate amount of crimes. But, IMO it would be wrong to focus on things that divide us. A school should focus on shared virtues.
mh,
DeleteBob is a literalist. His general method is to expound on individual sentences and ideas that he thinks reinforce one of his overarching themes.
In this post he selects specific clauses in the STOP Woke Act and says they make sense. He doesn't opine one way or the other on the Act as a whole.
If you really think this post reveals Bob standing with reactive authoritarianism, which passages that he wrote support this assessment?
Hector is correct. There is no reason to think Bob Somerby supports bullshit, nonsense, big-government Republican laws, like this.
DeleteLet's face it. Only an asshole would support them.
"A teacher could focus on blacks committing a disproportionate amount of crimes." Well said, DIC. Reminds me of the riots that occurred a few years back after the cop killings of some black guys. My sister, an ardent Trump supporter like yourself, called to bemoan that in Chicago blacks were pulling up in vans and looting a certain high end clothing store, and that it wasn't getting enough coverage by the liberal press.
DeleteOh that store, I replied. The chain of which was brought by private equity several years back who then went on to suck the money out of it, ultimately putting it up for sale, and after attracting no one stupid enough to make the purchase, declared bankruptcy. Yeah, sorry to hear about the looting, sister, but it didn't happen on a large scale last week, and you undoubtedly did not hear about it on Fox.
Speaking of which, if one of those blacks you refer to set up a charity and stole money from it for his private benefit, you can bet dollars to donuts that there would have been jail time for that. The people who bought us the massive recession of 2008 resulting in huge losses of equity in this country were remarkable for their uniformity of race and the fact that so few of them,many practicing your religion by the way (but IMHO stating that truth would be antisemetic and divisive) went to jail.
And I thoroughly apologize to a certain anonymous individual for not spacing the paragraphs better. There should have been three of them.
DeleteAnd there should have been a comma after "...divisive).
DeleteDavid in Cal,
DeleteCan you please, for the love of the hundreds of bigots you've ever voted for, pick a lane and stay in it?
Do you really want teachers focusing on the shared values of trans and non-trans kids, or don't you?
"A teacher could focus on blacks committing a disproportionate amount of crimes." DiC
DeleteYes, that is David, who likes to visit us often carrying a nice shiny red apple with a razor blade buried in it.
Unamused, yes, a blank line between paragraphs would help. Also, be careful to distinguish "bought" from "brought".
DeleteI don't care how Unamused formats his comments, I am just happy he comments here.
Delete10:33 thanks much. I wake up at night sometimes and commenting helps me get back to sleep.
Delete11:36 was me. I wake up some nights, in a cold sweat, worrying about my grammer, and can only get back to sleep knowing that some anonymous entity has it covered.
DeleteKevin Drum asks an important question:
ReplyDeletehttps://jabberwocking.com/who-are-the-traitors-defending-joe-biden/
Why do you think that question is important?
DeleteMaybe it isn’t.
DeleteDrum says pretty much first thing in the column that it's not an important question.
DeleteDrum is a mediocre source for gaining useful knowledge. This covers the questions you have 8:59, with Kyle Kulinski detailing why Biden has been a surprisingly effective president.
Deletehttps://youtu.be/fNe5yCw6EYI?si=0xr-ppTK2TIkN_1w
Thank you but I will pass on Kyle Kulinski.
DeleteKyle walks the line between grifter and progressive ally, but when he communicates something well, there’s no purpose in denying it.
DeleteAgreeing wth one or two arts of a la doesn’t make the entire law unobjectionable. However , the presence of several objectionable statements make the entire law a nonstarter. Somerby seems to think that if he finds a few OK statements the rest of the law must be OK. That is very odd reasoning, especially given that the bad parts are very bad.
ReplyDeleteparts of a law
DeleteKaren was innocent yesterday, is innocent today, and will be innocent tomorrow.
ReplyDeleteShe doth protest too much.
DeleteEven George Wallace eventually recanted, and 8:20’s point is well taken, Karen’s behavior was racist.
DeleteKaren may have been innocent in that the bike was formally unrented when she wrestled it away from the boy. This did not entitle her to grab control of his cell phone. If he had grabbed control of her cell phone that would be called stealing and there would be hell to pay. The fact that she was a white woman in a public space perhaps allowed her to assume there would be no consequence to that inappropriate aggression. She clearly judged that he would be nonviolent . Had she been another teenager and grabbed control of the phone, there likely would have been a different response. The interaction became farcically performative when she verbalize that he was harming her fetus. At this point the Karen's claim to victimhood had run its course and she was plainly seen as shrill, histrionic, and manipulative. Her employer decided that she wasn't worth defending. It doesn't take a great leap of faith to assume that they knew her well. Good mid level health providers are hard to come by. She would have had an immediate supervisory MD or DO to go to bat for her if she was worth keeping. Her liabilities likely exceeded her value. The good news is that this racially charged moment netted her over $ 100k. Can we look forward to a future in which staged interactions of this type are designed for the profit to be taken from nice folks who favor white women over black teenagers?
DeleteDemocrats are starting to panic about Biden but it's probably too late to do anything about it.
ReplyDeleteProbably too late to do anything about the increased wages under Biden, and the inflation he has tamed.
DeleteAmericans everywhere are feeling the effects of . Biden's increased wages and tamed inflation. The enthusiasm is palpable.
DeleteWe can get Kamala to run instead. Who doesn't love her?
DeleteBiden is obsessed with decreasing poverty.
DeleteBiden is too old for my taste.
DeleteTrump is too crazy and corrupt for my taste.
DeleteBiden tastes too old to most Right-wingers. Like their sexual proclivities, they prefer to feed on children.
DeleteThe more I know David in CA, the more I love him.
ReplyDeleteI predict DiC will become increasingly bitchy and passive aggressive in his comments as the walls close in on his hero, Donald J Chickenshit.
DeleteRemember how DiC smugly and confidently predicted Trump would never get indicted? Bwahahaha!!!!