THURSDAY, OCTOBER 26, 2023
The Times and the fog of war: In wartime, we have the fog of war. At times, we may also have a certain lack of candor.
Within the past week, various people have said various things about the bomb blast at the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza City. This very morning, on its front page, the New York Times has offered a whole new analysis concerning what actually happened.
The report is categorized as a "Visual Inspection." Dual headlines included, the analysis starts like this:
A Close Look at Some Key Evidence in the Gaza Hospital Blast
A widely cited missile video does not shed light on what happened, a Times analysis concludes.
The video shows a projectile streaking through the darkened skies over Gaza and exploding in the air. Seconds later, another explosion is seen on the ground.
The footage has become a widely cited piece of evidence as Israeli and American officials have made the case that an errant Palestinian rocket malfunctioned in the sky, fell to the ground and caused a deadly explosion at Al-Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza City.
But a detailed visual analysis by The New York Times concludes that the video clip—taken from an Al Jazeera television camera livestreaming on the night of Oct. 17—shows something else. The missile seen in the video is most likely not what caused the explosion at the hospital. It actually detonated in the sky roughly two miles away, The Times found, and is an unrelated aspect of the fighting that unfolded over the Israeli-Gaza border that night.
The Times’s finding does not answer what actually did cause the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital blast, or who is responsible. The contention by Israeli and American intelligence agencies that a failed Palestinian rocket launch is to blame remains plausible. But the Times analysis does cast doubt on one of the most-publicized pieces of evidence that Israeli officials have used to make their case and complicates the straightforward narrative they have put forth.
The Times report goes on from there. Along the way, the report says this:
U.S. intelligence officials said on Tuesday that agencies had assessed that the video shows a Palestinian rocket launched from Gaza undergoing a “catastrophic motor failure” before part of the rocket crashed into the hospital grounds. A senior intelligence official said the authorities could not rule out that new information would come to light that would change their assessment but said they had high confidence in their conclusions.
Asked about The Times’s findings, a spokesman for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence said The Times and American intelligence agencies had different interpretations of the video.
They report, you can decide. Quite often, the truth about important events may not be perfectly clear.
Who created the blast at the hospital? We can't tell you that.
That said, we can tell you something about the way the blast was originally reported on the Fox News Channel. As you can see by clicking here, it was reported in much the same way it was reported everywhere else, or maybe a little bit worse.
On Fox News, in real time, reporter Mike Tobin seemed to accept what Palestinian authorities were saying about the blast.
You might think Tobin should have done that. Almost surely, he should have done something else.
Today, the Times says that the cause of the blast still isn't clear. We don't know if the Times is right. That said, consider this:
From that day to this, Fox News performers have battered "the media" for having reported this incident in much the same way their own channel did. To see Howard Kurtz playing this card on last Sunday's MediaBuzz, you can just click here.
In real time, Fox News reported—almost seemed to affirm—what Palestinian authorities had said about the blast. In subsequent days, the channel began trashing "the media" for (allegedly) having done the same thing, generally without presenting any specific examples.
Quite routinely, this is how news and facts are conveyed within our polarized "cable news" system. Can a large modern nation survive such arrangements? We're strongly inclined toward doubt.
Robert Card, the latest mass shooter, liked:
ReplyDeleteTucker Carlson
Donald Trump Jr
Dinesh DSouza
Elon Musk
Kevin McCarthy
Jordan Peterson
https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2023/10/radio-rwanda-5
And the Unabomber had Al Gore's book in his cabin. Does this prove anything? I don't think so.
DeleteGuilty By Association. That's exactly the type of ignorant reasoning you can see on that blog everyday. They're so happy to play the fool there and be our side's own Hannity. (Except Loomis)
DeleteAl Gore didn't urge violence. Tucker and several of these right wing others did, including Trump himself.
DeleteI'll bet the Unabomber had math books in his house too. So what?
DeleteIt sounds like Robert Card was having a psychotic episode:
Delete"“I have known Rob my whole life,” Card said on Thursday. “He is quiet but the most loving, hardworking, and kind person that I know. But in the past year, he had an acute episode of mental health, and it’s been a struggle.”
She said that Robert Card recently began wearing powerful hearing aids to combat hearing loss. Since then, Card said her brother-in-law has been insisting to his family that he can hear people bashing him—including at Just-In-Time Recreation bowling alley and Schemengees Bar and Grill, where he’s accused of gunning down 18 people on Wednesday night.
“He truly believed he was hearing people say things,” she added. “This all just happened within the last few months.”
If he hadn't had guns at hand, he might have dealt with this differently. If he hadn't spent his time listening to right wing nutcases, the voices he heard might have been saying different things in his head.
In this case, did the shooter single out people of any particular racial, religious, or other similar category, or did he just shoot whoever got in his range? I haven't been following it enough to know the answer, but my impression is that he just randomly shot people. If that's the case, that he "liked" the people listed is a weak basis for holding them responsible for what he allegedly did.
DeleteAC/MA, the shooter shot up his local hangout because he was hearing voices that disparaged him, as is common with schizophrenics experiencing auditory hallucinations. Sometimes people with hearing problems try to make sense out of the partial sounds they can detect but they don't hear enough to know what is actually being said. Their brain supplies content. In this man's case, the brain is not functioning properly because he is mentally ill (according to his family and recent medical history).
DeleteListening to people who advocate violence, as Tucker and Trump and various other right wingers do, would play into this man's delusions and exacerbate his problems. Easy access to guns is a real problem when someone is psychotic. We know he is psychotic because he is hearing voices and not behaving rationally.
When someone on TV encourages violence against political enemies (or minorities, or anyone), the people who will be affected are not the sane, rational people who are the majority of listeners. The disturbed people are the ones who are likely to act on their suggestions, threats, calls to action, etc. A TV or radio personality has no idea who may be listening. That's why it is up to them to be careful what they say and not encourage violence.
These mass shooters are not all alike. Some are extremists, some are terrorists, some are mentally ill with no coherent ideology but encouraged by something they heard, some are suicidal and attack others in order to commit suicide by cop, some are angry because of a divorce or being fired from a job, or denied visitation with a child.
Trump has called for the deaths of several people. One of the right wing enemies is Nancy Pelosi and her husband was attacked. Someone in New Mexico has been attacking a variety of Democratic targets. Politicians are assassinated -- the most recent one is the woman who heads the synagogue in Detroit. When people are killed, those who called for death or made threats or whipped up hatred are certainly responsible. No one should be using that kind of inflammatory language.
No fetus was involved, so no one was really killed.
DeleteI am not a pro-life crank.
Corby is a different kind of crank.
Delete2:53,
DeleteHow, in the name of Hunter Biden, is guilt by association supposed to even work?
The article is based on "a detailed visual analysis by The New York Times." This article explains that their interpretation of the video differs from the U.S. intelligence officials' interpretation. Does it occur to the Times that intelligence officials might be more expert at interpreting such data than a reporter? Is it really newsworthy that a reporter was not able to interpret the video as well as an expert?
ReplyDeleteIMO this article is specifically designed to cast doubt on the the missile having been fired by Hamas. That may be because the Times is anti-Israel and/or because they want to cover up their bad reporting.
The Power Line blog sees the Times article as I do. Their analysis of the article is
DeleteThe rest of the world has moved on, but the Times is still trying to prove that Dreyfus was guilty after all.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2023/10/the-times-hasnt-given-up.php
The Power Line: birdcage liner.
DeleteWhere did it say that a times reporter analyzed the videos? To assume that a reporter analyzed the videos is to be purposefully ignorant. To assume that the NYT is antisemitic when the largest shareholders are the Sulzberger family is preposterous. Please read more. You could do better with minimal effort.
Deleteunaused -- the article refers to the Times analysis:
Delete"But the Times analysis does cast doubt..."
Yes, the NY Times is owned by Jews, but it has been consistently anti-Israel. I don't know why. I know about the Times anti-Israel, because CAMERA, an organization devoted to correcting negative media articles about Israel often cites the Times as an offender
Yes, America is full of Americans, but it has been consistently anti-the United States of America, what with the complaints about the ACA and federal tax rates, etc.
DeleteHere’s an article discussing how multiple media outlets initially claimed that Israel was responsible for the hospital bombing. It also mentions how only the New York Times and the BBC strove to correct their initial reporting:
ReplyDelete“The Times published a lengthy editors’ note on Monday, confessing its early coverage “relied too heavily on claims by Hamas, and did not make clear that those claims could not immediately be verified.”
Article here:
“The New York Times walks back flawed Gaza hospital coverage, but other media outlets remain silent”
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/24/media/gaza-hospital-coverage-walk-back/index.html
ReplyDeleteHere:
"Israeli UK ambassador Tzipi Hotovely compared her country’s military operation on Gaza to the Allied bombing of Dresden during World War Two, saying it was the “only way” to beat Nazi Germany"
In this context, pretending that the bombing of Al-Ahli Arab Hospital wasn't IDF's job makes no sense. It's more logical to admit that it was, and to declare that it was the right thing to do. To stay on message, you know.
I trust our intelligence sources over the NY Times. It is their job to know what they are looking at in video of military actions.
DeleteI think the NY Times is doing this for the publicity and attention. Since there is no way to definitively resolve the issue, they have nothing to lose other than riling up partisans on both sides. It also enables them to claim they were right in the first place, even when they may not have been.
Our "intelligence" sources got us into the Iraq war over WMD's. Also that Russian natural gas Nordstream pipeline that got blown up last September. Biden is on record saying the US would "end Nord Stream" if russia invaded Ukraine. However, the Biden administration, after the explosion, denies it was responsible for the destruction of the pipeline. Were we telling the truth - many don't think so. My point is that government, even our own (if you can believe it,) deny a lot of things that are true, and since the US is taking a heavy pro-Israel position (rightly or wrongly or somewhere in between), maybe trust in the US statements should be subject to some doubt or a tad of skepticism.
DeleteAC is right. I imagine there were mistakes made in the reporting on the Vietnam War too. And in those days, the US government was not exactly totally honest with the American people. It was the job of the media to find out the truth, whether it contradicted the government line or not. In this case, I have read that the US has not released any evidence to back up their conclusion. I’m not saying the government is concealing anything, but it seems worthwhile to attempt an independent analysis.
Deletehttps://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67216929.amp
He isn't right about Nordstream. There are two popular theories, one says the Russians blew it up, the other says the Ukrainians did. The US didn't and had nothing to gain by it one way or the other. No one has admitted doing it. Russia had already stopped the flow of gas, so there was no reason for Biden to blow it up.
Deleteanon 6:55 - why would Russia blow it up. It was their pipeline. Biden even said he would "end Nord Stream" [according to Wikipedia] if Russia invaded Ukraine. Both Trump and Biden were against Nord Stream, because Germany would become dependent on Russia supplying the natural gas. There is another theory - that the US did it, and that seems plausible - more plausible than Russia or Ukraine.
DeleteIf Biden did it, he would take credit.
DeleteSince Biden openly and publicly threatened to end the pipeline previously, and had tools other than bombing to accomplish this, it is highly unlikely the US was responsible. In reality, Biden lifted sanctions in order for Russia to complete the pipeline.
DeleteIt is more plausible that Russia did this themselves, since false flags are a common technique employed by right wing imperialists like Russia. Indeed, there were Russian Navy ships with their transponders turned off at the bombing site, days before the bombing. Russia has a history of engaging in such activities, it blew up a gas pipeline in 2006 in response to Georgia attempting to join NATO. Notably, no country has asserted direct blame other than Russia, who blames the US, which would seem to implicate Russia, since they are the only country trying to gain an advantage from the incident.
Furthermore, Germany is already at 50% of energy usage sourced from renewables, and are set to reach 100% by 2035. Germany had already drastically reduced its usage of Russian gas and was set to cut off Russian gas imports by 2024, as well as other European countries had already developed alternatives to Russian gas, such as the Baltic Pipe.
All in all, Russia is the most likely culprit, rationally considering the circumstantial evidence.
Here is Biden promising the US would put an end to Nord Stream II if Russia invades.
Deletehttps://youtu.be/OS4O8rGRLf8?t=83
Seymour Hersh wrote an article full of specific details describing exactly how we did it.
https://youtu.be/lUTwLiuiNh0?t=124
How we benefit from taking it out:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kensilverstein/2021/09/15/russias-nord-stream-2-is-a-fait-accompli-are-the-us-and-ukraine-the-losers/?sh=1d86ef95684f
The New York Times directly contributed to the start of the Vietnam War by using government sources for an article that swayed public opinion for the war but later turned out to be not entirely true. And they did the exact same thing again in contributing to the start of the Iraq war.
https://www.nytimes.com/1964/08/05/archives/reds-driven-off-two-torpedo-vessels-believed-sunk-in-gulf-of-tonkin.html
The Hersh claims have largely been debunked, his article had various inaccuracies and relied on a single anonymous source.
DeleteThe Forbes opinion piece is outdated, but notes that in reality Biden lifted sanctions in order for Russia to complete the pipeline.
Germany had already reduced its natural gas usage as it was phasing it out by 2024, and other European nations already had other sources of natural gas.
Natural gas in the US is a privately held commodity. The supposed rationale for Biden taking this action are ludicrous and propagandistic.
The Gulf of Tonkin is an overblown issue, but the New York Times has long been complicit with neoliberal and neocon goals.
Russia is the most likely culprit, with those Russian Navy ships secretly being in the exact area of the explosions days prior, plus its history of doing the exact same thing, and it’s the only country actively trying to extract an advantage from the incident.
Neocon government operatives leak a false story to the New York Times who print it and then the the same operatives go on television the day it's printed and say "of course it's true - it's right here in the New York Times!"
DeleteHell of a scam and it works on normies like yourselves.
https://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/08/world/threats-responses-iraqis-us-says-hussein-intensifies-quest-for-bomb-parts.html
12:50 The New York Times blamed a "pro-Ukrainian group" for carrying out the Nord Stream explosion.
DeleteThe New York Times employed Sy Hersh throughout most of the 70’s, when his work was appropriately lauded, more recently his work is garbage. The newspaper has published good work, but that aside, is generally appropriately trashed by those to the left of center. They have published articles exploring different culprits for the pipeline explosion, so what.
Delete12:52 points to an egregious if not uncommon example of the NYTimes putting their thumb on the scale to benefit neoliberals and neocons.
"The Hersh claims have largely been debunked, his article had various inaccuracies and relied on a single anonymous source."
Delete12:50, Hi I guess you never learned anything about the basics of journalism. Relying on a single source doesn't debunk a report.
Ignorance of that level explains why you side with our corporate plutocracy in asking us to to reject the evidence of our eyes and ears on this matter. I will have to take a pass though. Have a good weekend.
"They have published articles exploring different culprits for the pipeline explosion, so what."
DeleteDid any of them rely on a single source? Did any of them have any source at all? (Answer: no.)
The simplest explanation is often the best explanation. Trump complained about the pipelines incessantly. Biden and Nuland promised they would close them down. The USA is at war with Russia. The USA has been concerned for some time about the growing relationship of Germany and Russia. The USA has the most sophisticated military and the pipeline was in water patrolled by NATO.
DeleteRussia had already stopped the flow through the pipeline.
DeleteThe US is not at war with Russia. The US supports Ukraine in its defense against Russian invasion. There is no evidence supporting the idea that the US destroyed the pipeline.
Somerby seems to demand perfect accuracy in reporting. It would be nice if that were possible. Meanwhile, some types of situations are easier to report on than others. I rarely see Somerby take that into account when he criticizes media.
ReplyDelete"Quite routinely, this is how news and facts are conveyed within our polarized "cable news" system."
Somerby pretends that both Fox and the other media are all equally bad, when that is far from true. If Fox is behaving in a more polarized way, as they generally are, Somerby should acknowledge that. If Somerby is implying that NY Times is behaving in a polarized way with this latest report, he should say that too, plainly so that no one has to guess what he means.
"Somerby seems to demand perfect accuracy in reporting.'
DeleteNo, you badly missed his point, which was that Fox commentators were hypocritical in criticizing 'the media' for the same mistakes their own channel had made.
Wonder why he says “the Times and the fog of war” instead of “Fox News and the fog of war”…?
DeleteI, Corby, affirm that a Palestinian rocket fell on the hospital.
ReplyDeleteIf you are mentally ill, please ask a friend or relative to help you seek treatment.
DeleteThe thing that is self-described as Corby pleasures itself with annoying others, masterbatory behavior of a friendless soul. Poor Corby. Maybe buy a dog, or some small rodent.
DeleteOr learn to spell “masturbatory”.
DeleteNice. First decent contribution. Twice.
Delete"nice" and "twice" almost like poetry
DeleteBidenomics: GDP rises, inflation falls.
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DeleteInteresting topic: the economy is actually quite good right now, so why is there a perception or delusion that it sucks?
DeleteThe mainstream media examines the mainstream media:
ReplyDelete“You Don’t Want to Hedge It?”: Inside the New York Times Debate Over Its Gaza Hospital Bombing Coverage
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/10/new-york-times-gaza-hospital-story
I am Corby and I have a friend in Jesus.
ReplyDeleteIf you are mentally ill, please ask a friend or relative to help you seek treatment.
DeleteThere’s less credible evidence for Jesus existing than for either side of the hospital bombing issue. Jesus is a myth.
DeleteI have an imaginary friend, and I am not Corby.
DeleteFrom Gavin Newsom:
ReplyDelete"Last night, a gunman with a history of mental illness and easy access to a weapon of war walked into a bowling alley and a bar, shot and killed 18 people and injured 13 others.
It was the 10th deadliest mass shooting in modern American history and the worst since the shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde last year.
And you want to know something else?
Literally hours before the shooting, the U.S. Senate voted to pass an amendment allowing veterans found mentally unfit to still be allowed access to guns.
You can't make this stuff up.
Listen, there are some issues in Washington, D.C. and states across the country that are tricky and tough to fix.
This one isn't.
The data is clear, and it is conclusive: states with strong gun laws — like California — have lower per-capita gun homicide and suicide rates. States with weak gun laws have higher gun homicide and suicide rates.
So if Congress won't act...
And if the courts prevent states like California from doing what has to be done to save lives...
Then we need a Constitutional Amendment to make our communities safer from gun violence.
My state — California — was the first to adopt a resolution calling for one. Now we need 33 more."
The data is suggestive, but not conclusive, because
Delete1. Correlation doesn't prove causation
2. Analyzing the data differently might give different correlations. E.g., I know that many cities with high murder rates also have strong gun laws.
3. One could also analyze individual states and cities after a gun law becomes stronger or weaker. How does the homicide rate after the law changes?
You should actually research this if you want to raise these sorts of arguments. There is a large and robust literature on it showing that gun control measures decrease deaths, not just murders but also suicides and accidental shootings.
DeleteThe question shouldn't be who "bombed" the hospital but who blew it up. Otherwise the questipn presumes the answer.
ReplyDeleteThe hospital didn’t blow up. The carnage was in a courtyard or parking lot.
DeleteWhat Bob may have discovered here is the tension between the news end and the commentary end at Fox. The News end, often legitimate, may have sided too strongly on the Palestinian account, while the largely inane commentary side was knee jerk pro Israel. It has largely been understood that Fox News draws ratings from pandering to the ignorant, but that’s largely the job of the commentary end.
ReplyDeleteThough Bob ignored it, the Dominion suit and now Murdoch’s departure may have shaken Fox’s business model. Some of the swine have moved on to Newsmax, and unless it’s destroyed by the lawsuits next year, they may not be back. So Fox seems to be hedging at least a bit, with a reality based advocate on “The Five” who effectively challenges the consensus. If the ultimate nightmare of a Trump election is adverted (and the Right seems poised to go all in), in another five years we might have a whole new Fox.
averted
ReplyDeleteIf I were David in cal, who seems to care about Israel, maybe I would look into the increase in anti-semitism on Twitter, now run by right wing favorite Musk.
ReplyDeletehttps://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/4192647-elon-musks-dangerous-tweets-are-empowering-antisemites/amp/
Or the spreading of dis- and misinformation about the Israel Hamas conflict.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/19/media/musk-israel-hamas-misinformation/index.html
The EU is threatening him with penalties.
A media critic might mention this, by the way.
A town in North Carolina outgunned Lewiston, Maine.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2023/10/lewiston-did-not-have-the-highest-homicide-rate-in-the-usa-yesterday
The hospital bombing may remind one of the Citi Bike Karen incident in which she was initially accused of bullying a Black teen off a bicycle, then she hired a lawyer to put out a false narrative that everyone rushed to blindly accept, where she was the victim, before new evidence emerged that demonstrated she was indeed in the wrong.
ReplyDelete(There is video and receipts that demonstrate the kid was holding the bicycle, he had been renting it for hours, periodically re renting every 45min to avoid a higher rate, as is commonly done, and she aggressively tried to pry him off the bicycle, when a third party passerby observed her and suggested she just rent a different bicycle, at which point she promptly stopped the bullying and rented a different bicycle. The kid lives in poverty and had no options, the woman is well off and had plenty of options, but felt angry at not being able to express and enforce her dominance.)
To date, Israel has engaged in over 50 attacks on healthcare facilities in Gaza. In the days before the bombing, Israel had issued evacuation orders to that very hospital and had fired two warning artilleries at it.
Israel has a history of denying responsibility for violence that was later found out it had indeed committed, and for offering misleading evidence in furtherance of those false denials. With respect to this hospital bombing, Israel offered evidence in denying their culpability that has since been debunked or shown to be not dispositive.
Israel offered false evidence in denying responsibility, the leaders of Israel have referred to Palestinians as “children of darkness” following “the law of the jungle”, and “beastly people”, and Israel has been busy bombing healthcare facility all along anyways.
When considering the thousands of deaths of Palestinians, clearly half being children, that have already occurred in the wake of Israel’s deadly revenge, one might consider urging their congressional representative to support a ceasefire.
None of this justifies what Hamas did.
DeleteKaren is innocent. The young man was maintaining control of the bike while not paying. After she paid, he took it from her, forcing it back into the dock, with her on it.
DeleteZionist aggression is wrong. US support for it is wrong.
Hamas terrorism is wrong. Iranian (and other) support for it is wrong.
We don’t know whose missile hit the hospital courtyard, but it could well have been a Hamas malfunction. If the Israelis had done it, they would have destroyed the building.
I am not Corby.
11:16 your claims are false.
DeleteThere is video of the incident that demonstrably proves your claims are false.
The kid was holding into the bicycle in order to re rent the bicycle, which is normal and common among Citi Bike users, and something he had been doing for hours that same day.
She never paid for the bicycle, what she did was: she approached a young Black teen holding onto a bicycle he was about to re rent, and she decided she wanted to take the bicycle from him, as she was struggling to grab the bicycle away from the kid, she swiped the QR code.
She was never on the bicycle, and since the kid had possession of the bicycle, when she swiped the code, the kid merely redocked the bicycle, which she was not on, and had never been. Then she rented a different bicycle and went home and fumed. The kid rented the same bicycle and went home to his indigent family that has since received death threats due to the immorality of those like 11:16.
Karen is guilty.
Israel’s reaction to the atrocious Hamas attack is not justified, and are war crimes.
Hamas is Sunni, Iran is Shia and primarily supports Hezbollah; Sunni and Shia Muslims do not get along. Hamas may receive some benefit from Iran - they both oppose Israel’s settler colonialism, but is primarily funded by Qatar. Hamas has long connections with Russia, and Netanyahu has propped up Hamas, allowing funding to flow in. Netanyahu also has good relations with Russia, being similarly aligned on the right wing spectrum.
Israel has already attacked over 50 healthcare sites in Gaza, many of those buildings were not completely destroyed but have similar damage to the Al-Alhi hospital, which Israel had already bombed in previous days, causing damage but not destroying.
Other than violent aggression and terrorism being wrong, something obvious to pretty much everyone, all your claims are false and therefore irrelevant.
You lie.
DeleteKaren is innocent.
Sunnis and Shi’ites sometimes fight, sometimes cooperate, like all groups.
Crimes are crimes, whoever commits them. And whoever supports them.
Bombing a hospital parking lot wouldn’t help Israel or Hamas. It was probably an accident. I think it was Hamas’s accident, but I can’t be sure.
But the main thing. The most important fact. The one great truth. Karen is innocent.
"Crimes are crimes"
DeleteThere are crimes and there are crimes.
People breaking out of a concentration camp and going berserk -- that's a crime. Mass-extermination of indigenous people is a civilized response to it.
Future Psychiatrists Huddled in Caves tell me my mental health is perfect. Mine and Somerby's. Every other good decent person in the world is mentally ill.
ReplyDeleteI am Corby the Adorable.
Get help!
DeleteKevin Drum:
ReplyDeletehttps://jabberwocking.com/the-war-crimes-of-hamas/