BLUE MOON: Stefanik bats Kristen Welker aside!

TUESDAY, JANUARY 9, 2024

Blue elites vanquished again: What she did on December 5 produced a general uproar.

We refer to Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-NY), who a colleague described as "an odious demagogue" in the wake of her performance. 

In the course of that performance, Stefanik had savaged a trio of presidents from there elite American universities. Two of those presidents—those from Harvard and Penn—have been forced to leave their posts in the wake of the performance.

Many members of both major tribes remarked on the startling lack of skill put on display that day by the college presidents. At this site, it seemed to us that the presidents' performance was stunningly bad, but that Stefanik's performance was even worse.

At any rate, so it had gone in the wake of the slaughter. And as Stefanik's national profile rose, she swore there was much more to come. 

On Sunday, Stefanik appeared as the featured guest on Meet the Press. She was introduced by NBC's Kristen Welker in the manner shown:

WELKER (1/7/24): Joining me now is a key Trump ally, Republican Congresswoman Elise Stefanik of New York, who chairs the House Republican Conference, making her the highest-ranking woman in congressional GOP leadership. 

She is also the youngest woman ever to serve in elected congressional leadership. Congresswoman Stefanik, welcome to Meet the Press.

STEFANIK: Great to be with you, Kristen.

WELKER: Thank you so much for being here. 

So it went as a major blue tribe journalist squared off with a major red tribe political star. For the record, each participant was a Harvard graduate—Welker in the class of 1998, Stefanik in 2006.

Within the political realm, a great deal turned on the events of December 5. By way of contrast, Stefanik's appearance on Meet the Press has created little notice.

Stefanik's appearance has been little note and won't be long remembered. That said, it seemed to us that this appearance was, in principle, highly instructive. From the perspective of our own blue tribe, the question would go like this:

Why is it so easy for "odious demagogues" to conquer our own tribe's brightest and best?

In theory, those three college presidents were numbered among the blue tribe's brightest and best. As host of Meet the Press, Welker now serves in one of the most honored posts in all of mainstream blue tribe journalism.

That said, Stefanik was able to bat these adversaries aside with the greatest of ease! If we within our flailing blue tribe are able to learn from this latest event, our lesson would start with the way Stefanik batted aside Welker's opening question.

That first question went like this:

WELKER (continuing directly): I want to start by talking about 2024—some of what we've heard over the past 48 hours. Obviously, President Biden officially kicking off his campaign against former President Trump, who's the strong front-runner [sic]. 

You are one of Trump's strongest supporters. In his speech, President Biden cast the former president as a threat to democracy. This was an argument that was effective in 2020. It was a winning argument for Democrats in 2022. How do you answer that charge?

Strange! After a clumsy reference to Donald J. Trump as "the strong front-runner," Welker produced a reference to 2022 which comes to us, live and direct, from a thoroughly standard, if embellished, Joe Scarborough daily script.

A softball floated over the plate. Stefanik batted it out of the park, then was off to the races.

She began with the easiest rebuttal on earth. With Welker forced to sit and stare, she then launched a filibuster:

STEFANIK (continuing directly): Well, first, Kristen, I wouldn't say it's a winning argument. In fact, in 2022, Democrats lost the House, and House Republicans ran on the issues that matter to the American people. 

We ran on securing the border. We ran on addressing the historic inflation, which the American people know is a result of Joe Biden's failed policies and the trillions of dollars of reckless spending. And what Joe Biden didn't mention in his speech were any of the policies that have created a crisis across America. 

So, zero mention of the border, which is wide open and a top issue even in my home state, in New York. You have Democratic mayors who are speaking out about Joe Biden's border crisis. No mention of inflation, which continues to be a concern for voters across my district. 

And when it comes to threats to democracy, Joe Biden and Democrats are a threat to democracy. We see them attempting to remove President Trump from the ballot. We saw this in Colorado and Maine. That is the suppression of the American people and the American people's ability to cast their ballots this November. So it's Democrats that are a threat to democracy.

By the time Stefanik was through, the gorilla dust was general over the Meet the Press set. That said, let's start with Stefanik's rebuttal of the odd thing Welker had said.

For ourselves, we're inclined to agree with the claim that Donald J. Trump represents "a threat to democracy." That said, was some such charge "a winning argument for Democrats in 2022?"

In his endless rants, Scarborough repeats that pleasing claim on an almost daily basis. We're always struck by the embellishment built into that claim, given an elementary fact:

Republicans won control of the House in 2022, taking control back from the Democrats!

It's odd to claim that you won an election which you actually lost. That said, given the current state of cable news—given its near-total "segregation by viewpoint"—Scarborough makes this claim on a daily basis with none of his acolytes piping up to challenge what he has said.

It's accurate to say that Republicans did less well in that year's House elections that had been widely predicted. But have you really advanced "a winning argument" if, in the course of advancing that argument, you lose control of the House?

It was odd to see Welker advance that claim—unless you're a red tribe partisan. (Presumably, very few such people still watch Meet the Press.) 

To such a viewer, her statement would have been the latest example of the famous old "liberal bias." Stefanik batted the claim aside, then launched a filibuster. 

Gorilla dust was everywhere by the time Stefanik's filibuster was through:

Inflation, a wide-open southern border, trillion of dollars in reckless spending? The threat to democracy which has been posed as "Joe Biden and Democrats" attempt to remove Donald J. Trump from November's ballot?

All these points were thrown in the mix as Stefanik accepted the invitation to respond to Welker's original question. Confronted by this tsunami of debatable claims, Welker offered one weak point of demurral, then moved to her second question. 

In our view, it was in her response to that second question that Stefanik left Welker for dead.

Stating the obvious, Kristen Welker is a good, decent person. Like the college presidents who journeyed to D.C. on that cold December day, she now sits at the very top of a traditional blue tribe elite.

The college presidents sat at the top of the blue academic establishment. Welker sits at the top of our tribe's journalistic elite.

Despite their status, the college presidents were wholly unable to deal with Stefanik's onslaught. And so it would be as Stefanik responded to Welker's second question.

We'll document that mayhem tomorrow. For today, please remember the basic question we're asking you to consider:

How is it possible that our highest-ranking blue elites can be do easily left for dead by an "odious demagogue" of the opposing tribe? 

How could that have happened on December 5? Did it happen again this past Sunday?

Beyond that, riddle us this:

Can we learn something from these events about the way our blue tribe functions? Two of the college presidents are gone by now, and Stefanik batted Welker aside as if she wasn't there.

Tomorrow: Welker plays tape of what Stefanik said on January 6

For the record: Republicans won 50.6% of the nationwide congressional vote in 2022. In the course of advancing their winning argument, Democrats won 47.8%.

32 comments:

  1. Agree with Stefanik from the Left. She'll lose her mind, like the rest of the Right-wing when you agree with them.*

    *Does not work on issues they actually care about (i.e. bigotry and white supremacy).

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    1. Agreed. play stupid. Act like you agree with their nonsense, while using it to beat them over the head with.their own ideas.
      It's fun, and it's what they deserve, since they aren't making good faith arguments anyway.

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    2. Wow, the "flying monkey" lady is agreeing with herself from 15 minutes ago. Tears on my eyes.

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    3. haha!! Sad, isn't it??

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    4. I.e. means that is. E.g. means for example

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    6. "haha!! Sad, isn't it??"

      LOL. I see what you did there.

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  2. Why is Bob calling "Big-government supporting Congresswoman, Elise Stefanik", "Elise Stefanik"?

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    1. “Elise Stefanik” is her nickname.

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  3. Everyone needs to contact their Congressional representatives, and ask them what they are doing to streamline immigration and make it easier to immigrate legally to the USA.

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  4. Kristen Welker is not a member of “the blue tribe.”

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    1. She’s well paid to serve Comcast, whose assets are worth a quarter-trillion dollars.

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  5. Welker stated the Dem talking points. Stefanik stated the Republicans talking points. Walker was left in the dust because the Democrats talking points are less persuasive

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    1. You’re a cheap imitation. We want the genuine David.

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  6. I don’t expect NBC, a subsidiary of Comcast, to protect my interests.

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  7. While I’m sure it simply DESTORYS poor Bob when the “the blue tribe” takes a hit, the obvious point is the NBC News and College Presidents are not progressive or mainstream Democrats, certainly not in the capacity of those jobs.
    Perhaps Bob is making the broader point that the institution of the Corporate Political Media, if only in its stance to appear “fair” in its coverage of elections, is hardly liberal and never has been. That’s pretty obvious.
    Stefanik has been taking it on her miserable chin for days on MSNbC, and I noticed Kellyanne Conway’s general wretchedness has been played up too. Conservative women generally get away with murder (feminist women don’t like going after them) so this is nice to see. But while Meet the Press has been awful since Russert ruined it, we should recall Morning Joe famously threw Trump softballs at the outset too.
    What Bob is doing it rubbing it in. He loves it when “the blue tribe” goes easy on some atrocity of MAGA. Then when they take an appropriate stance against some MAGA ugliness, Bob clutches his pearls and starts crying that it’s insanity and Trump will win. He did the same thing in the good old days of less garish Republican bullshit.

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    1. Feminist women don't like going after them? Feminists are arseholes.

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    2. Mind reading is a figment of dim witted intellects.

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  8. If one president were considered to have testified poorly I might believe it, but when all three are bad (according to Somerby) I suspect they did fine but are being attacked for other reasons. That makes them scapegoats.

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    1. The testimony of the college presidents (all of them) was roundly seen as a debacle and was widely reported that way.

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    2. They all said calling for genocide of the Jews might be OK depending on the context. That's unsatisfactory
      -- because it doesn't way what context would make such a statement OK. So, the comment comes across as bullshit and evading an important question.
      -- because it's true. Under many situations, such statements on their campus would be OK.
      -- because other minorities are treated vastly differently. A mild criticism on gays or blacks would be treated more harshly than calling for genocide of Jews.
      -- because the evasion indicates that they are cravenly submitting to a anti-Semitic elements on their campuses.

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    3. Whatever is widely reported is true, because the media are fair, unbiased, honest.

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    4. Thank you, real David. You’re much better than fake David.

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    5. Advocating genocide is OK. Perpetrating genocide isn’t.

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    6. I don't mind that the college presidents defended free speech and drew a distinction between speech and conduct (behavior) on their campuses. They testified truthfully under oath and accurately represented their campus policies. The problem is that various sides were upset with what they said for political reasons. They had the misfortune of being caught in a crossfire between grandstanding politicans and pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian factions. That isn't their fault. Somerby is biased toward Palestinians, so he thought they should have stood up to Stefanik. He always thinks people should be tougher on behalf of his favorite causes. That doesn't make him right.

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    7. Mind reading is a figment of dim witted intellects.

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    8. You don’t have to read minds. Listen to what people say.

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    9. Oh. Then point me to where he said he thinks people should always be tougher on behalf of his favorite causes and he thought the profs should have stood up to Stefanik because of how he feel about Palestinians.

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    10. It is right there in the first essay he wrote about Stefanik. He has been pro-Palestinian and defended the Harvard students befor Gay testified. He didn’t like Gay’s testimony, then was happy when the Penn State president resigned and gloated when Gay resigned. It is all there in Somerby’s own words.

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    11. Just cut and paste the quote of him saying it and we'll be good.

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    12. And if you could please go ahead and include the quote of him claiming he was happy when the Penn State president resigned.

      Because if you can't ... you are mind reading and mind reading is a figment of dim witted intellects.

      Appreciate it.

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