Economy (and Krugman), don't fail us now!

TUESDAY, JANUARY 30, 2024

Paul Krugman, Steve Rattner and Fox: People say the darnedest things about the U.S. economy. In today's column for the New York Times, Paul Krugman flags one familiar example:

KRUGMAN (1/30/24): [T]he world—especially MAGAworld—isn’t rational. And it’s a longstanding observation that Americans tend to say that national crime is rising even when it’s falling and even when they concede that it’s falling where they live.

Again, these misperceptions are strongly associated with partisanship, with a startling willingness of Republicans to believe things that aren’t true.

Falsely believing that Europe is a continent on the brink of ruin is one thing (although millions of Americans visit Europe and so get the chance to see for themselves each year). It’s much harder to excuse the belief that New York—one of the safest big cities in America—is some kind of urban wasteland...

The trashing of New York raises the question of the extent to which MAGA supporters are willing to disregard the evidence of their own eyes. People buy gas all the time; when Trump says “gasoline prices are now $5, $6, $7 and even $8 a gallon,” around twice the price plainly displayed on big signs all around the country, do his followers believe him?

For the record, it isn't just Trump who motors around wildly misstating the price of gas. The hacks on Fox do that all the time. So do callers to C-Span.

In our view, our own blue tribe is frequently conned by our thought leaders too. In our view, our tribe has paid a giant price for this (unacknowledged) phenomenon down through the past thirty years.

We'll continue to explore this theme as we track the campaign in the weeks ahead. For today, let's focus on Krugman's overall point about the U.S. economy.

Krugman's point is very familiar on the blue side of the bayou. In Krugman's assessment—and we're not exactly saying he's wrong—our economy is doing quite well:

KRUGMAN: [F]antasies are now the common currency of politics on the American right. ...America is still a nation riddled with inequality, insecurity and injustice. But the anxiety driving MAGA isn’t driven by reality. It is, instead, driven by dystopian visions unrelated to real experience.

That is, at this point, Republican political strategy depends largely on frightening voters who are personally doing relatively well not just according to official statistics but also by their own accounts, by telling them that terrible things are happening to other people.

This is most obvious when it comes to the U.S. economy, which had a very good—indeed, almost miraculously good—2023. Economic growth not only defied widespread predictions of an imminent recession but also hugely exceeded expectations; inflation has plunged and is more or less where the Federal Reserve wants it to be. And people are feeling it in their lives: 63 percent of surveyed Americans said that their financial situation is good or very good.

Yet out on the stump a few days ago, Nikki Haley declared that “we’ve got an economy in shambles and inflation that’s out of control.” And it’s likely that the Republicans who heard her believed her. According to a YouGov poll, almost 72 percent of Republicans said that our 3-2 economy—roughly 3 percent growth and 2 percent inflation—is getting worse, while only a little over 6 percent said that it’s getting better.

In Krugman's assessment, the U.S. economy had a year which was "almost miraculously good." That's a very common formulation within our own blue tribe—among a wide array of commentators who red tribe voters don't listen to, credit or trust.

Did red tribe voters believe what Nikki Haley said? Almost surely, we'll guess that many do. If you watch the baboons on the Fox News Channel—the professional wrestler; the low-grade comedians; the angry termagant; Bill O'Reilly's former silly boy on the street; the higher IQ types who are willing to play along—if you watch those people in recent days, you are constantly being told about this new financial analysis, pimped here by CBS News:

Americans need an extra $11,400 today just to afford the basics, Republican analysis finds

The typical American household must spend an additional $11,434 annually just to maintain the same standard of living they enjoyed in January of 2021, right before inflation soared to 40-year highs, according to a recent analysis of government data.

Such figures underscore the financial squeeze many families continue to face even as the the rate of U.S. inflation recedes and the economy by many measures remains strong, with the jobless rate at a two-decade low. The analysis, from Republican members of the U.S. Senate Joint Economic Committee, taps government data such as the Consumer Price Index and Consumer Expenditure Survey to examine the impact of inflation state by state.

Even so, many Americans say they aren't feeling those gains, and this fall more people reported struggling financially than they did prior to the pandemic, according to CBS News polling. Inflation is the main reason Americans express pessimism about economy despite its bright points, which also include stronger wage gains in recent years.

The Biden administration called the analysis "flawed." Citing federal labor data, a White House spokesman noted that per capita disposable income has risen 16% since December 2020, just prior to President Joe Biden's inauguration.

The jugglers and clowns are all citing that $11,400 annual outage on Fox News Channel programs. The jugglers cite it as if it's an established fact, and very few people watching them will really be in any position to conduct an independent analysis.

Our biggest stars are inclined to write columns rolling their eyes at red tribe voters for this. 

As we constantly noted in the past, Krugman was our team's most valuable player for many years. That said, he himself has never told the truth about the dissembling which has been aimed at our own blue team by the newspaper for which he works, starting with the Whitewater pseudo-scandal and cascading forward from there.

There's no sign that Krugman is ever going to do any such thing, even though he surely knows the truth about such matters.

The "news report" to which we've linked comes from CBS News. Its author makes no attempt to conduct a serious frisking of that "Republican analysis."

Our nation has split into two separate teams. The red team has long since stopped listening to anything the blue team says. In turn, our blue team gets pleasured by the overpaid corporate stars on MSNBC, who feed us the storylines we most like to hear.

How accurate is Krugman's basic analysis today? We've seen similar rosy scenario posts from major blue figures we're inclined to trust, but when we've clicked the links to their sources, we've found ourselves reading reports which mention areas of deep economic hurt—sources of pain which went unmentioned by the upbeat blue tribe analyst.

(Often, that disappeared source of pain is increased housing costs.)

We have the highest regard for Krugman, but we think he's wandered too far into a blue bayou when it comes to the ways of red voters. That said, we watched Steve Rattner present some charts on today's Morning Joe, and it seemed to us that he had shot down the basic thesis of that "Republican analysis"—the analysis which is being pimped around the clock on Fox to a bunch of low-grade hired hands who don't have the slightest idea what they're talking about.

It seemed to us that Rattner did that. That said, we don't really know if he did, and neither do tens of millions of regular people who voted for Donald J. Trump.

(We expect to present a full listing of current Fox News dramatis personae in the days ahead.)

How do we enter the lives of others? How do we get other people to listen to us? Our big cable stars rarely ask such questions. They pleasure us blues with the frameworks we like, and because that keeps ratings and profits high, giant amounts of corporate money go into their bank accounts.

They've failed us again and again and again, but our blue tribe, like the other tribe, is too tribal to notice. The goons on Fox recite the key claims, and our blue stars direct condescension at the regular people who swallow their low-IQ guff.

The New York Times just lets it go. We've been discussing this problem for at least the past twenty years, dating back to the stupid claims about basic tax topics Sean Hannity wouldn't stop making.

This is a good way to lose campaigns. Like tribal beings everywhere, we're masters of this impulse.


89 comments:

  1. Biden had been leaking he wanted to be a one term president for a while and now he's looking for a scapegoat for losing since he's on record saying he was lying about that. Damn immigrants making me more racist! Damn Netanyahu making me support genocide!

    He's not running on winning but on being too powerless to win.

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    1. Immigrants? Netanyahu? Are you serious?

      If it can't be explained by Russian Meddling©, it's not worth explaining.

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    2. That would be too bad because he looks so cool ordering and eating ice cream cones.

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    3. At least he looks cooler than Trump after troweling on six layers of orange makeup.

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    4. At the beginning of his term Biden was unsure about running again. It seems obvious, now, that he has the job under control, but it was also less clear back then whether Trump would run again. Circumstances change.

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    5. If America were a parliament we would say the blue team is doing well. There's more unions than before and momentum to create a stronger center left to lock in economic and civil rights.

      But in his personal capacity, Biden is pissing on people who have student debt, he pissed on foreigners with border threats and he pisses on environmental concerns with concessions to big oil.

      The corporate messages on these issues make it impossible to see the reality without tribalism. The party needs to flex right now not just say everyone is great. Because people are dead.

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    6. This relentless commenting about Biden “pissing” on people with student debt is particularly ridiculous, since he is sincerely doing what he can, whereas Trump and the republicans are on record as opposing any student loan forgiveness.

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    7. @7:06 What concession did Biden make to big oil that has supposedly pissed off environmentalists? According to Wall St Journal, he put limits on oil consumption. That has raised oil & gas prices but helps alternative energy and should please, not piss off environmentalists. Look how these trolls come here and lie to you. These claims about Biden are specious.

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    8. Biden has been quietly selling off public resources to oil companies and his last payment to student debt was less than half a percentage of the total. He's been asking the Saudis to lower prices on gas for the economy you're so proud of to even work.

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    9. 12:09,
      Will you vote for Trump, now that he's calling for open borders?

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    10. Republican congress is now setting out to impeach Mayorkas for not doing what Trump has ordered republicans to prevent Mayorkas to do. You can't make this shit up.

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    11. 8:16,
      It beats governing.

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    12. Ideological right wing zealots on supreme Court struck down one form of student loan cancellation but not payments.

      No mystery why, they're in the pocket of big money.

      "The plaintiffs in this case are six States that have no personal stake in the Secretary' loan forgiveness plan. They are classic ideological plaintiffs: They think the plan a very bad idea, but they are no worse off because the Secretary differs."


      The president was also bought off and this is reflected in his minimal effort.

      "President Joe Biden was the No. 1 recipient of contributions from student loan companies in 2020 and former President Donald Trump took second place. "

      https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/background?cycle=2016&ind=F1410

      https://www.npr.org/2023/06/30/1182216970/supreme-court-student-loan-forgiveness-decision-biden

      https://www.propublica.org/article/clarence-thomas-other-billionaires-sokol-huizenga-novelly-supreme-court


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    13. Maybe the student loan industry donated so much to Biden and Trump because they really like old men. Hard to say exactly what they want though.

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    14. Elena Kagan is an idiot. The plaintiffs in this case, the six states certainly do have a personal stake. It's their money, money of their denizens were being used by the Democrat executive to bribe some deadbeats.

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    15. Normally, the plaintiff who have to show standing and real harm. With this pack of corrupt right wing justices, not so muchj.

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    16. Why is it easier for some Americans to imagine millions of Black indebted college graduates are deadbeats than to say college has gotten too expensive?

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    17. So, you agree that it's unconstitutional, but still you would like it to happen, by dismissing the challenge on a dubious technicality. Does this sum it up?

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    18. After the 20 year mark on student loans almost every borrower is Black.

      The two candidates who took the most money from the student loan industry are white.

      You do the math.

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    19. It doesn't matter what I think is okay or not. It matters what Biden thinks will happen if he does too little on student loans.

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  2. If Krugman is your team's most valuable player, then your team is in deep shit. My condolences.

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    1. Far better if we had Peter Navarro, rather than some ratty Nobel prize winner, amirite?

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    2. Henry Kissinger won the nobel prize too

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  3. Biden paid off .3 percent of college debt so stop complaining about the economy

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    1. Perhaps that's all students notice, but adults look at the whole picture and those achievements are solid, as Krugman notes.

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    2. People 18-45 with student debt will be adult voters this year.

      You can be a center right sneering neoliberal because you have white privilege.

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    3. What percentage of those 18-45 year olds are also “sneering neoliberals with white privilege?” Just curious.

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    4. I'm still waiting for that definition of neoliberal. It sounds like a name you call people you dislike. It has the word liberal in it, so it seems aimed Democrats. I must assume then that is coming from the right in order to help Trump. But it isn't their usual jargon.

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    5. The American Heritage Dictionary says neoliberalism means a political theory of the late 1900s holding that personal liberty is maximized by limiting government interference in the operation of free markets.

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    6. "Twenty years after college, the average white borrower has paid off about 95% of their student loan, while the average Black borrower actually still owes about 95% of that student loan."
      https://fair.org/home/student-debt-hurts-the-economy-and-cancellation-will-improve-lives/

      Tell me more about the uppity students being to needy.

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    7. Pretty much every major American politician since the late 1970s has been neoliberal. Including conservatives.

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    8. Tell me more about the conservative Supreme Court finding Biden’s initial student loan forgiveness plan for most borrowers unconstitutional, and the fact that Trump and the Republican Party oppose any form of student loan forgiveness, and how both parties are equally “neoliberal.”

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    9. 5:29,
      Dembots still think .3 percent is more than 0. What are you going to do?

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    10. Yes, doubling most working people's mortgages to pay college debts of a few deadbeats.

      Brilliant Democrat redistribution
      exercise, as usual. I feel a Nobel Prize coming.

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    11. The deficit isn't a problem a return to the 90% top tax rate couldn't solve.

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    12. Property is theft!

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    13. When a Democrat closes ranks with conservatives on an issue that's a good sign you're going to get fucked over

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    14. On the one hand the economy is great and on the other hand you can't pay for anything, do I have that about right?

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  4. It’s almost impossible to get better than 3% growth, 4% unemployment, and 3% inflation. Let’s see if we can sustain it.

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    1. Let's hope so. We took on a huge amount of debt to finance it.

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    2. We can always roll back Trump's tax cuts on wealthy people.

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  5. And, don’t forget - what Biden was handed was a trashed-out economy, not a humming one like Trump inherited.

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    1. It's an economy running on gasoline from Saudi Arabia, the threat of poverty on the working class and the threat of deportation by both parties on the servant class.

      Y'all are shameless hypocrites.

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  6. CSPAN has trolls who call in, just like this blog has right wing trolls. They lie about their affiliation and call on the Independent and Dem lines despite being right wing. There is no verification of what they say.

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  7. The unemployment and GDP numbers are, of course, maintained by vulgar military Keynesianism: making weapons and shipping them to Ukraine and recently Israel. Which is an economic equivalent of paying people for digging holes in the ground and then filling them up.

    And of course this military Keynesianism helps generate inflation, as masses of people are being paid for producing something other than consumable good.

    However, the reason the economy is not collapsing is that Trumps' policies are still in place: the corporate tax wasn't raised, the tariffs were not cancelled, the renegotiated NAFTA has not been changed, etc.

    And that's pretty much all there is, folks.

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    1. 6:27 - Ah, the tales we tell ourselves to maintain our priors in the face of overwhelming evidence!

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    2. You have it backwards. Inflation was a real phenomenon of supply lines being hit by the virus and supermarkets gouged people with prices under orders from the capitalist class to function through the virus.

      The economy is doing well now because people are unionizing and staying at their jobs getting raises. If Trump came in he would block labor organizing on behalf of wall Street.

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    3. And I’m wondering: If military Keynesianism is generating so much inflation, then why is the inflation rate diving like a falcon?

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    4. I thought tariffs were cancelled.

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    5. NAR - By and large, Biden kept Trump’s tariffs. In my view, that was a mistake.

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    6. Some economists are discussing the impact of reinstating Trump's tariffs. That is confusing.

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    7. Tariffs caused the Civil War. Slavery had nothing to do with it.

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    8. @6:40 PM
      Come back to me when the Great Leader raises corporate tax to 30%, ends the Trump tariffs, implements Obama-Biden international "trade deals" (tpp, tipp), and reinstates pre-Trump NAFTA. A couple of years after all that.

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    9. I'll never forget the time Trump tried to gaslight a global pandemic, like it was some common NY Times political reporter.
      What a dope.

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  8. Krugman tells the truth about the economy but Somerby blames him because he doesn't go picking fights with the NY Times or Fox news beyond pointing out that folks believe wrong things, and the right is more deluded than the left. To hear Somerby talk, it is Krugman's fault, not the fault of those lying liars on the right.

    If Somerby stopped picking on Krugman, Somerby could call out the Republican lies himself and perform a real service to someone besides Trump.

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    1. You want him to say the exact same things all the other blogs you read you say. Sounds boring.

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    2. If Somerby has nothing to contribute, why write?

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    3. Even if you say, “contribute”, then writing doesn’t make any sense anymore. So how can you have “writing” if what we’re talking about is contributing?

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    4. One trouble is in 1972 minimum wage was $1.60. That equals $11.66 now. In 1986 a nail driver could get $12/hr. That equals over $33/hr. now.

      That may be part of the problem. I could go on, about housing, education, medical, productivity.

      Those may be even further askew.

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    5. In 1860, a blacksmith earned about $0.18/hr.

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    6. 8:03,
      The best thing about Bob is his daily repeating of Right-wing grievances.

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  9. It isn't often you see the truth referred to as a blue tribe bubble, as if we have failed by not including more bogus beliefs in our world view. Somerby is such an odd guy.

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    1. You should read something more than blogs

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/What%27s_the_Matter_with_Kansas%3F_(book)

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  10. Why should Paul Krugman write about Whitewater? He’s an economist.

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  11. Krugman picks data that makes Biden look good. Conservatives pick data that make Trump look good.

    The year 2023 had good economic results. OTOH these results were not as good as Trump’s last pre-Covid economy.

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    1. “ data that makes Biden look good.”

      It’s just called “data.”

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    2. The 2023 results are better than 2019.

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    3. Some are. But, the ratio of income to cost of living was better in 2019. That is, Americans were richer in 2019 than they are today.

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    4. Trump, being a good republican, gave tax cuts to the wealthiest that added to the national debt. Their group think mantra is that tax cuts to such people stimulates the economy. They gave a medal to Arthur Laffer on the floor of congress for this idea. It has never worked, and economic modeling suggests that it might work only if the marginal tax rate were 70% or so. One of the architects of supply side economics during the Reagan presidency, along with Jack Kemp, was Bruce Bartlett. He publicly abandoned the idea after years of empirical data showed that Reaganomics does not work as intended. And of course under Reagan, as with Trump, the deficit ballooned, though Trump acolytes will blame COVID for much of that with some justification. Bartlett was ultimately jettisoned from a conservative think tank when he rightly declared Bush Jr's economic policy to be disastrous, which it was, with the full backing of republicans on the Hill. Comparing economic numbers for Biden and pre COVID Trump is laughably simple minded. The economy is complicated, under the influence of many uncontrollable factors and influenced largely by Fed policy. You can only say that it has done very well at a time when most pundits predicted otherwise, and that what the economy would have done a full four years under Trump, minus COVID, is a matter of speculation, though historically tax cuts for the wealthiest causing increased deficits has not been a good thing.

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    5. Thomas Piketty in his 650 page opus, Capital in the 21st Century, covers a massive amount of territory historically and well details mathematically how it is that US tax policy in its current form, with low capital gains that favors those with the most money, naturally redistributes wealth to the top tier.This is reflected by a Gini coefficient that is higher than seen in Western Europe and resembles that of a banana republic. Hence the erosion of democracy. That republicans lie as much as they do about the economy currently is part of this, their false narratives intended to maintain power for the one group they answer to.

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    6. "Hence the erosion of democracy."

      You (and the Piketty guy?) seem to be confused on the cause-effect relations here.

      "That republicans lie as much as they do..."

      Right. Republicans are evil. And the democrats, the good-decent people they are, have been trying so, so hard to raise the capital gains rate, for many-many decades, but alas something that wasn't their fault always prevented them from doing it. Let me guess: the Russkies, right?

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    7. If the sun rose in the morning when Trump was president, David was here to tout the virtues of his economic policies.

      Compare the economy Trump inherited to the flaming dumpster fire he left for Biden to deal with.

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    8. "That republicans lie as much as they do about the economy currently is part of this."
      In their defense, they know zero about economics.

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    9. 7:33,
      I support your lack of sarcasm fonts.

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    10. The funny thing is that Trump is now out on the stump taking credit for Biden's economy that DiC says is not so hot!

      Poor DiC, he's going to have to close all his programs and reboot.

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    11. Republicans can lay claim to their many accomplishments helping their working class constituents:
      https://news.yahoo.com/facing-south-florida-one-one-183649630.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

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    12. 10:41, A lot of republican "no-can-do" congressmen are doing the same thing, but it is rare to see a real journalist hold their feet to the fire like that. That was well done.

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  12. Chita Rivera has died.

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    1. God no, not Chita! Please god, anyone but Chita.

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  13. The idea that Republican voters care about the economy, might be the stupidest thing you read on the internet today.

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  14. Anyone who points out that both parties are the same, gets their first two abortions on me.

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    1. Both capitalize the first letters in their names.

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    2. So just to get this correct, liberals claim success on the abortion fight that they have been losing, and need more money to keep losing.

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    3. Losing at what? The mid terms? State constitutional amendments? They are doing fine and the issue will continue to dog republicans as it has since the supreme court decision. The gift that will keep on giving.

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  15. Unfortunately, the MAGA crowd only listens to Trump and Fox. You can't persuade people even by showing them that the sun comes up in the east when they believe tha sun comes up in the west. After all, that is what the Donald tells them.

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  16. Fox News and Republicans lie about the economy, blue tribe media does not.

    This is a problem for liberals. I am not a crank.

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    1. A liberal can't tell a lie.

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    2. Or suffer childhood trauma.

      Liberals arrive into the world fully grown and dropped off on doorsteps by strixes.

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    3. When they arrive on this planet, they are already well-programmed.

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