TUESDAY, JANUARY 23, 2024
Quite often, we humans do: Yesterday morning, during the 6 o'clock hour, the Morning Joe gang was reminiscing about Granite State contests past.
At one point, John Heilemann, on the ground in New Hampshire, briefly stopped yukking it up. Instead, he tried to make an accurate point.
When he did, the master misspoke, as we humans frequently do.
Below, you see exactly what he said—and no, we aren't making this up! The transcript we're offering hasn't been doctored. You can even check the videotape, just by clicking here:
HEILEMANN (1/22/24): I will say, as you talk to political people who really know the state here, whether they're pollsters or strategists or whatever—
You know, back in 2016, remember, Donald Trump ran against Hillary Clinton in this state, and they were within—less than a percentage point separated them on Election Day in 2016.
It was "27 point something" percent for Hillary, "27 point something," a little less, for Donad Trump. But like less than half a percent! You know, Biden won this state by seven points in 2020, and there's polling out there that says Biden wins this state by ten points in 2024...
Heilemann went on to say that Trump has made New Hampshire "toxic" for Republicans over his term in the political spotlight.
For ourselves, we hope Heilemann is right about that. For the record, tens of millions of voters take the opposite view, and they get to be citizens too.
Heilemann was trying to make a basic point about the political drift in New Hampshire over the past eight years. Along the way, he misspoke. We human beings often do that, even when pontificating on "cable news" or perhaps when running for president.
In what way did the master humorist / pundit misspeak? According to what Heilemann said, this is the way New Hampshire voted in the 2016 general election:
New Hampshire 2016 (Heilemann version)
Clinton (D): 27.x %
Trump (R): 27.x %
In fairness, his general recollection was accurate. But in this bit of extemporaneous speech, he simply experienced a slip of the tongue, as people frequently do.
Heilemann had suffered a slip of the tongue! The actual totals were these:
New Hampshire 2016 (actual results)
Clinton (D): 47.62%
Trump (R): 47.25 %
The gist of what Heilemann said was correct. Along the way, he misspoke.
(No one corrected what he said. On cable, it isn't done!)
Why do we mention this today? Simple! Mere minutes before he made this slip, the master humorist had been yukking it up about the way Donald J. Trump had suffered a slip of the tongue the night before.
(Go ahead! Search on "Joe Strummer.")
Ha ha ha ha ha! the gang said. Then, with a matter of minutes, that same member misspoke.
More and more, then more and more, Morning Joe is turning into an early morning version of open mike night at a local comedy club.
For the record, Joe Scarborough has a superb sense of humor. That said, today's show was nearly endless in its early pursuit of big yuks and cool tribal fun.
Attempts at humor can be fun, but this supposed to be "cable news." Increasingly, on Fox but also at MSNBC, it looks to us like the bosses and the money counters have decided that clowning around—playing the endless comedy card—is the best way to keep us rubes tuned in and to keep the big bucks rolling in.
In our view, Donald J. Trump is severely disordered. Because our tribe can't get Others to listen to anything we have to say, we now entertain ourselves.
When Trump misspoke, the humorist pounced. Just like that, within mere minutes, the master himself misspoke!
Biden is cognitive. Trump is ignitive.
ReplyDeleteIs a career stiffing your contractors and cheating on your taxes worth losing for one little mis-speak?
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ReplyDelete27 instead of 47 is quite a modest mistake. Dementia Joe would've counted billions-trillions-millions-tens-of millions.
Calling someone Dementia Joe doesn't make it true. This kind of labeling, to deflect from Trump's problems, is pathetic and reflect some real concern among Trump's handlers.
DeleteI know the trolls don't think up their own messaging, so this shows that the right is working overtime to address this Trump weakness. How many MAGAs will accept a rapist as president who also doesn't know where he is or what he is saying half the time?
Well, he was installed back in 2020, so how would they not 'accept' him?
DeleteIt'd be nice if Trump gets so confused and addled cognitively, he forgets he's Putin's bitch.
DeleteAsshole, Trump has been found to be a sexual abuser by a court of law. After investigation, Biden was found to have been accused by an unstable woman who was lying about him. The rapist is Trump.
DeleteAre we still talking about Dementia Joe here? Or, are you, good decent persons, so demented that you've already forgotten? Dementia Joe is, actually, Mykola Zlochevsky's bitch.
DeleteThe ignorance of Somerby’s fanboys is cute.
Delete5:02,
DeleteIt's been a while since I chatted with a 3rd Grader.
Remind me, which one of us is rubber, and which one of us is glue again?
Third graders are cute.
DeleteCharles Osgood has died.
ReplyDeleteIn a shootout with the KKK?
DeleteClose enough. It was the GOP.
DeleteI'll give you zero pinocchios.
"When he did, the master misspoke, as we humans frequently do."
ReplyDeleteYes, Somerby is trying to remind us that gaffes happen, so that we won't judge Trump to have dementia because of his recent problems. That seems to be the mandated talking point today -- to push back against the concerns about Trump's mental state.
The only problem is that there are distinctive kinds of mistakes that people experiencing dementia display, and these are different than the mental lapses or mild cognitive symptoms of elderly people in general. Trump has always been idiosyncratic in his speech, always made mistakes (some out of ignorance), but his recent problems are different, and not solely because they are more frequent.
Trump has talked about running against Obama, accused Biden of starting WWII, confused Nikki Haley with Nancy Pelosi, and when asked about social security he talks about EVs for three minutes. That isn't normal. And he seems to be unaware of his mistakes. This is more like when Ronald Reagan thought he was a pilot in WWII because he once acted that part in a movie. And it turned out that Reagan had Alzheimer's.
It is right to worry about Trump's abnormal cognition, whether it arises from stress or from dementia or from low blood sugar or diabetes. None of those explanations suggests that a man who makes such mistakes regularly now should become president.
"Why do we mention this today? Simple! Mere minutes before he made this slip, the master humorist had been yukking it up about the way Donald J. Trump had suffered a slip of the tongue the night before. "
ReplyDeleteThere is a big difference between misremember 27 as 47 (when the point is that the results were very close 27.x to 27.x vs 47.x to 27.x). The point was still correct and the gaffe was unimportant. On the other hand, there is a big difference between Nikki Haley and Nancy Pelosi, and Nikki Haley definitely didn't have anything to do with Capitol Security. That is a huge mistake and it matters.
I don't like it when people laugh at others for having physical or cognitive deficits. I don't find jokes about Trump funny. I do find it troubling that people are willing to gloss over these real deficits that Trump displays, apparently without any concern for how the country might suffer with a cognitive impaired president in the oval office. If those around Trump are aware of his problems, it is unethical and unconscionable to conceal his problems so that they can keep their jobs and Trump can pursue a presidency he cannot fulfill. Certifying somone as competent when they are not would be grounds for a doctor to lose their license, if not go to jail (depending on the consequences). Those covering up for Trump have a responsibility to the public that they may be setting aside due to self-interest.
When those on the left point out this stuff, we are accused of being partisan. When Trump's former cabinet members and staff point out his problems, they are accused of sour grapes. But Somerby is right that someone must worry about Trump's obvious deficiencies. He is wrong to label this mental illness, because now it is clearly something else, and we should all be calling for Trump to be examined by an objective neuropsychologist or neuroscientists, given the real possibility of cognitive decline that is already incapacitating (given his performance in court and on the campaign trail recently). This cannot be another fake letter from a pet physician. Perhaps someone at Bethesda Naval Hospital (where presidents are treated) could do it.
Today Somerby trots out his ignorant little trick pony, saying “both sides!” while suggesting all mistakes and slips are equal.
ReplyDeleteAlong with Somerby’s traits of: excessive literalism, coyness, and ignoring context, he adds ignoring asymmetry.
The seals will all clap on command, Somerby IS the lady with the lapdog.
Somerby always pushes for the blue tribe to have greater understanding of the red tribe (which yields nothing, zero progress), yet never pushes for the other way around; were the red tribe to ever bother actually pondering the blue tribe seriously, instead of mocking or insulting them, the potential for progress would increase.
Here’s a journalist that destroys Somerby’s thesis, he won’t be mentioned on this blog:
https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/media-still-doesnt-get-biden-voters
Bravo!
DeleteIt seems that both parties will accuse the opposing candidate of declining mentality. The electorate is already unhappy with the choice. Imagine how we’ll feel after 9 more months of negative campaigning. Ugh.
ReplyDeleteI’ll feel excited to vote for Biden, likely our best president since FDR. Clinton and Obama had youthful vigor but governed as grumpy old neoliberals.
DeleteIt's offensive to claim that Biden is worse than FDR.
DeleteFortunately, historians agree that Trump is among our worst presidents ever.
DeleteThere will also be positive campaigning. Then @5:05 will understand why people are enthusiastic about another Biden term
DeleteOn the positive side, we need to talk more about Joe's son, genius abstract painter.
DeleteHis paintings need to be on the front page of every American magazine. And internationally. It doesn't happen often that president's son is a genius abstract painter. It's positive.
I prefer to think about Trump's remarkable financial manager son-in-law getting a cool $2 billion deposited in his amazing start up investment company by the friends he did business with as a Presidential advisor to Donald J Chckenshit.
DeleteWhen guys whine about Hunter it’s because they are embarrassed they have a smaller penis.
DeleteSuch is the psyche of right wingers.
I plan to vote for Biden, and I have a small penis.
DeleteLiberals hate genius abstract paintings. Even when a son of the best American president in history painted them.
DeleteSo sad.
"When Trump misspoke, the humorist pounced."
ReplyDeleteThe problem is that Trump didn't only misspeak. He forgot what time and place he was in. Notice that Somerby does not tell us what Trump said. It would be obvious the two gaffes were not equivalent if Somerby had done so.
Nikki Haley destroyed all the emails about the Capitol attack, is not the same as Clinton beat Trump by half a percentage point, 27.x (instead of 47.x).
But notice the deceptive way that Somerby omits the actual joke, so we don't get to see for ourselves that these were not equivalent gaffes.
Confusing Sioux Falls with Sioux Rapids is a trivial mistake (except to the people who live there). Saying that Biden will start WWII is not a trivial mistake. The latter involves forgetting what time and place somone is in, that WWII happened in the past (when Biden was a baby) and that it was our last World War. There has not been one since. Which is the point -- that Biden may start another world war. No one who is cognitively competent would make such a mistake, even as a slip of the tongue. You might call your grandson 14 instead 16, but you wouldn't call him a bank president. Trying to defend these mistakes as gaffes is ludicrous.
Here is a handy guide to the difference between dementia-related gaffes and normal aging mental lapses:
"Forgetfulness can be a normal part of aging. However, dementia is not a normal part of aging. Dementia includes the loss of cognitive functioning — thinking, remembering, learning, and reasoning — and behavioral abilities to the extent that it interferes with a person’s quality of life and activities. Memory loss, though common, is not the only sign of dementia. People with dementia may also have problems with language skills, visual perception, or paying attention. Some people experience personality changes."
https://www.nia.nih.gov/health/memory-loss-and-forgetfulness/memory-problems-forgetfulness-and-aging
Differences Between Normal Aging and Dementia
Normal Aging
Making a bad decision once in a while
Dementia
Making poor judgments and decisions a lot of the time
Normal Aging
Missing a monthly payment
Dementia
Problems taking care of monthly bills
Normal Aging
Forgetting which day it is and remembering it later
Dementia
Losing track of the date or time of year
Normal Aging
Sometimes forgetting which word to use
Dementia
Trouble having a conversation
Normal Aging
Losing things from time to time
Dementia
Misplacing things often and being unable to find them
I’m demented, but I still know better than to vote for a Republican.
DeleteTrump said that in the 1770s “our army manned the air” before they took over the airports and then time traveled to the War of 1812!
DeleteJoe Rogan misunderstood a Biden speech where he teased Trump about his mental gaffe, he thought Biden was making the gaffe himself and exclaimed how could anyone vote for Biden, but then when corrected and explained that Biden was referencing Trump’s gaffe, Rogan did a 180, said it was merely a slip up (just like Somerby does) and did not question people voting for Trump.
Hypocrite, anyone?
Yes, what we really need is insight into Trump voters.
Brother, please.
Steve Kornacki has died.
ReplyDeleteSteve Kornacki is alive and well.
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