CULTURES: Reid and Psaki and Maddow oh my!

THURSDAY, MARCH 7, 2024

But also, Watters and Gutfeld: On one major cultural point, the two cable channels agree.

There must never be heard a discouraging word! Tribal viewers must never be exposed to any hint of nuance or complexity.

It's stunning to see the level of dumbness which results from this cultural practice. To cite one example, here's the way Jesse Watters began one segment on his prime-time Fox News Channel program last night:

WATTERS (3/6/24): The House passed a half a trillion-dollar spending bill today. Thousands of pages. No one had time to read it.

We didn't even know about it and we just opened it up and here's what we found: $850,000 for "bus stop equity" in California.

We don't know what that means. We don't know if they're going to put a bus stop in a rich neighborhood or a poor neighborhood, but a bus stop is just a small thing that keeps you dry in the rain and a sign that says "Bus Stop." 

Eight hundred fifty grand? What!? 

Please don't ask us to catalogue the various aspects of the dumbness displayed in that passage by this silliest primetime child. For a recent report about this general topic, you can just click here.

At any rate, that's how dumb our "journalism" can get when practitioners know that nothing they say will ever be questioned, critiqued or challenged—when they know that their pronouncements, however dumb, will be swallowed as gospel. 

In our view, the first eighteen minutes of last evening's Gutfeld! was pretty much equally dumb. Surrounded by the usual gaggle of flyweight pseudo-commentators, the program's host yakked right up to 10:18 p.m., working from this premise:

GUTFELD (3/8/24): All right, let's do a monologue. 

So with Trump cruising to victory in the primaries and Biden's slow implosion, we should once again get used to the media's curiously timed stories that will bash the Don. This week's comes from Rolling Stone...

As it turned out, Gutfeld said the curious timing in this matter dates back to "a report released in January by the Defense Department." According to Gutfeld, that report "detail[ed] how the White House Medical Unit managed drugs during the Trump administration."

Here's the January report by NBC News about that study by the Defense Department's Inspector General. (Just so you'll know, the White House Medical Unit is staffed by military and civilian employees, but is overseen by the Defense Department.)

Gutfeld and his acolytes burned the first 18 minutes of last night's prime time program assuring viewers that the Defense Department report was the latest attempt by the Deep State to get President Biden re-elected. Most simply, we'd say this:

Within a journalistic culture defined by "segregation by viewpoint," there will be nothing so dumb or so improbable that it can't be pleasingly flogged.  

Viewers will see no one raise an objection to whatever statement or claim has been advanced. Given that circumstance, it may not occur to the casual viewer that what he is being told is improbable, silly or wrong. Unyielding true belief may tend to emerge from such presentations.

At this site, we're trying to find a way to approach the misogyny-adjacent material which regularly flows from the Watters and Gutfeld programs. (Bronze Age Pervert, come on down!) For now, we're planning to go there tomorrow, building upon some recent soul-draining conduct by Watters. 

For today, let's consider something offered to blue tribe viewers this past Tuesday night. The brief exchange in question occurred during the interminable, largely pointless coverage of that evening's Super Tuesday primary results. 

Especially on MSNBC, analysts tend to fill the long, useless hours on such evenings with examples of their matchless comedy stylings. So it went when a panel of five MSNBC hosts laughed about a silly idea advanced by many Republican voters in the great state of Virginia.

Many Republican voters had reported, as part of the day's exit polling, that immigration and the situation at the southern border seemed like the current top issue to them. 

This produced several minutes of eye-rolling and laughter from the MSNBC panel—several minutes of mockery which have now gone viral within the red tribe world. 

Was anything "wrong" with what was said? As you can see by clicking here, the exchange began with Joy-Ann Reid offering a sweeping assessment of the way red tribe voters vote:

REID (3/5/24): Republican voters don't vote that way. They don't vote on economics or things they're getting economically from the president. They're increasingly, from the Tea Party on, they're voting on race, on this idea of an invasion of brown people over the border, the idea that they can’t get whatever job they want. 

A black person got it? Therefore, drive all the blacks out of the colleges! Get rid of DEI! That is what they’re voting on. They’re just voting specifically on racial animus at this stage. It isn’t about economics.

That was a remarkably sweeping assessment of the basis on which such voters vote. Jen Psaki took it from there, and she turned to those exit polls:

PSAKI (continuing directly): No, which is why Trump killed the immigration bill. That's why! And because otherwise, he can’t run against The Other, and brown people, and people who don’t look like him, like his supporters, his base of supporters, coming across the border and scaring people, and killing people, or whatever he’s threatening out there.

I mean, if you look at some of these exit polls— I mean, I live in Virginia. Immigration was the number one issue.

By now, the chuckling had started. Inevitably, Rachel Maddow jumped in with a joke:

MADDOW: Well, Virginia does have a border with West Virginia. It's a very congested area!

VOICE OFF-CAMERA: Build a wall!

By now, the laughter was general. As she continued, Psaki seemed to marvel at the fact that she'd heard people in New Hampshire expressing concerns about the northern border. Mercifully, a commercial break now intruded.

This brief exchange between these thought leaders has gone viral across the red tribe universe. It doesn't seem to have been discussed by mainstream outlets, except for this scolding presentation at Mediaite.

(Operating more from the left, The Young Turks also scold the panelists in this YouTube presentation.)

Was something wrong with the MSNBC presentation? Can it, in any way, be compared to the steady-state dumbness emitted by Gutfeld and Watters?

That, of course, is a matter of judgment. We'd be inclined to say this:

First, to consider the problems, and the deaths, occurring at the northern border, you can see this February 11 news report in the New York Times. The dual headlines say this:

Migrants Face Cold, Perilous Crossing From Canada to New York
Increasingly, migrants from Latin America are risking their lives to cross illegally into the United States along the northern border.

The northern border can be a scene of peril too. That said:

In our view, Reid's sweeping assessment of the motives of pro-Trump voters is extremely unwise as a matter of politics and is basically indefensible on anything resembling "the merits." Concerning the way the ensuing exchange seemed to mock the voters in question, we would only add this:

Tonight, President Biden will likely speak about the bipartisan border bill which was recently killed by Donald J. Trump and the House GOP.  It has also been widely reported that President Biden hopes to issue executive orders to address the situation at the southern border.

It's hard to know why President Biden would be doing such things if there was no serious problem at the southern border. Mainly, though, it's the sheer enjoyment of these cable news thought leaders—the group laughter they enjoy, all through the night—which helps make election night programs like this unwatchable as a matter of basic journalism and basic public discourse.

That short exchange on Tuesday night strikes us as profoundly unwise. It may not strike you that way. In our view, this is all part of the ongoing task of taking The Blue Tribe Challenge!

In our view, it's pretty much Watters and Gutfeld and Reid and Psaki oh my! More generally, it's amazing to see the fruits that emerge from "segregation by viewpoint." 

In our view, that's especially striking in the emerging case of Psaki, a person who is much more experienced and sophisticated than the fellows who are currently hosting primetime "cable news" programs as they toil in the vineyards at Fox.

Reasonably or otherwise, that mocking exchange from Tuesday night has gone very viral. Just yesterday, we quoted Bret Stephens, who was still puzzled as to why red tribe voters are still supporting Trump.

At any rate:

As a matter of journalistic culture, two major "cable news" channels agree on one basic point:

Let a single set of flowers bloom! Viewers will only hear one point of view, and they'll hear it repeated all night!

Tomorrow: Glorious Hector, hero of Troy, seized female captives too!


26 comments:

  1. Josette Molland has died.

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  2. Civil rights is still a thing on the left. From today's essay by Heather Cox Richardson, which describes the struggle for voting rights in 1965 in Selma AL, then says:

    "As recently as 2006, Congress reauthorized the Voting Rights Act by a bipartisan vote. By 2008 there was very little difference in voter participation between white Americans and Americans of color. But then, in 2013, the Supreme Court’s Shelby County v. Holder decision got rid of the part of the Voting Rights Act that required jurisdictions with a history of racial discrimination in voting to get approval from the federal government before changing their voting rules. This requirement was known as “preclearance.”

    The Shelby County v. Holder decision opened the door, once again, for voter suppression. Since then, states have made it harder to vote; in 2023, at least 14 states enacted 17 restrictive voting laws. A recent study by the Brennan Center of nearly a billion vote records over 14 years shows that the racial voting gap is growing almost twice as fast in places that used to be covered by the preclearance requirement.

    Democrats have tried since 2021 to pass a voting rights act but have been stymied by Republicans, who oppose such protections. Last September, on National Voter Registration Day, House Democrats reintroduced a voting rights act, now named the John R. Lewis Voting Rights Act after the man who went on from his days in the Civil Rights Movement to serve 17 terms as a representative from Georgia, bearing the scars of March 7, 1965, until he died on July 17, 2020.

    On March 1, 2024, 51 Democratic senators introduced the measure in the Senate.

    Speaking in Selma last Sunday at the commemoration of the 59th anniversary of Bloody Sunday, Vice President Kamala Harris shared that the first thing she sees on walking into her office is a “large framed photograph taken on Bloody Sunday depicting an injured Amelia Boynton receiving care at the foot of [the Edmund Pettus] bridge.”

    “[F]or me,” she said, “it is a daily reminder of the struggle, of the sacrifice, and of how much we owe to those who gave so much before us.”

    “History is a relay race,” she said. “Generations before us carried the baton. And now, they have passed it to us.”

    This is why I support Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

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    1. This is how I know the story about black voters leaving the Democratic Party is 100% Grade A bullshit.

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  3. Once again, Trump way underperformed the polls:

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/3/6/2227952/-The-538-GOP-Super-Tuesday-poll-averages-Way-way-off-and-systematically-overestimating-Trump-data?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=trending&pm_medium=web

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  4. Funny thing: having lived through the last two presidential cycles, I find Gutfeld's assertion perfectly reasonable. Unlike, obviously, the Reid-Psaki drivel you quoted.

    "Psaki, a person who is much more experienced and sophisticated than..."

    Say what?!!

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    1. "In our view, that's especially striking in the emerging case of Psaki, a person who is much more experienced and sophisticated than the fellows who are currently hosting primetime "cable news" programs as they toil in the vineyards at Fox."

      Psaki is more experienced than Watters and Gutfeld but not more experienced than Maddow.

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  5. Looks like Moses of the House has decided to DEFUND THE POLICE. I look forward to TDH writing 150 essays on why that is bad for Democrats.

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    1. If we learn nothing else, we learn that everything is the Democrats’ fault, including who republicans vote for.

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  6. Defund the Supreme Court.

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  7. Bob’s Maddow problem is that for the giggly backslapping that goes on at the station ( I don’t go for it, but it must play with some people) much or most of what She does is relevant, intelligent advocacy journalism from which serious things can be gleaned. Don’t always agree, but I’ve never seen her get near the stupidity of trying to claim Republicans didn’t mean to say “ legitimate political discourse” about the Jan 6 “Hostages.”
    Joy Reid goes over the line on race from time to time, no question about it. But are white men like Bob who don’t see any racism in MAGA any better?

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  8. "At this site, we're trying to find a way to approach the misogyny-adjacent material which regularly flows from the Watters and Gutfeld programs."

    To start with, why call it "misogyny-adjacent" when it is full-on misogyny?

    misogyny definition: "hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against women or girls. It is a form of sexism that can keep women at a lower social status than men, thus maintaining the social roles of patriarchy."

    The word adjacent makes it seem like Gutfeld is not being actually misogynistic in his behavior and I don't think that is true. Somerby shouldn't pull his punch like that.

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  9. "Was something wrong with the MSNBC presentation? Can it, in any way, be compared to the steady-state dumbness emitted by Gutfeld and Watters?"

    Is it wrong for Democrats to express their own opinions? Shall we withhold them and not say what we think on TV and elsewhere? How exactly will that enable us to mobilize our own base? Reid is an opinion commentator, not a journalist. Psaki is a pundit also. They are obviously partisan. But is Somerby now saying that Democrats cannot behave in partisan ways on cable shows because it might offend the right wing?

    As they say on the right, Fuck [their] feelings.

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  10. I don't watch Gutfeld or Watters and I doubt anyone on the right is watching Reid, Psaki or Maddow. Somerby's goal of having everyone watch each other's shows isn't going to work, and why should it?

    Ronny Jackson was stripped of his rank after an investigation of his behavior as a white house physician, going from admiral to captain (with a retirement pay decrease). If Watters doesn't want to believe he screwed up, it is a free country and he can believe what he wants, but that doesn't change the facts of that investigation.

    I watch the channel that gives me actual news, not propaganda. The right should do the same, but I cannot force them to. I do not understand why Somerby is wasting time on any of this stuff when there are so many important issues to discuss, but it is his time to waste.

    So what if the right wing gets upset with lefty jokes? That just proves they are spot on and funny.

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  11. Somerby lives in Baltimore, not along the Texas border with Mexico. I find it hard to understand why he feels such concern about who cooks his breakfast at the diner. He never cared about immigration at all until the right decided to make it the key issues of their campaign. He doesn't seem to have done any investigation of Biden's policies and actions, or know whether border crossings have increased or decreased lately. He just knows he should be very very upset about it -- because Fox has been telling him so. And that makes him no better than any other Fox viewer, when it comes to discussing immigration.

    A long time ago, I had some respect for Somerby's opinions. Now, not so much.

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  12. A few hosts filling dead air on MSNBC are not allowed to joke about building a wall between West VA and VA because there have been migrant deaths crossing from Canada? In what universe? Guilt hasn't seemed to stop anyone on the right from making anti-migrant jokes. It didn't even stop them from sending all those migrants to Northern cities in winter without coats or other warm clothes.

    Empathy for migrants is apparently not in the Republican playbook unless it can be weaponized in this blog to attack Reid and her friends on MSNBC. Somerby should be ashamed.

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  13. "It's hard to know why President Biden would be doing such things if there was no serious problem at the southern border."

    It doesn't occur to Somerby that the serious problem Biden sees might be different than the one bigoted right wingers see when it comes to migrants. For example, there is a lengthy backlog processing asylum cases that lets asylum seekings stay and work in the US for many years after being admitted. Biden may see some value in decreasing that backlog. On the other hand, right wingers have been encouraged to see rapists and murderers under their beds, so they perhaps think migrants are not being "vetted" at the border, when in truth they are. Biden may see the border crisis as a problem of people drowning in the river and dying in the sun without water, whereas Trump and his supporters see it as "too many languages" bring brought her from all over the world, as Trump recently said, languages we've never heard before.

    We'll find out what Biden thinks about immigration tonight. It may not satisfy Trump's goal of building walls around every university and nursing school so that female joggers are not assaulted by opportunistic young men (only one of whom has been a migrant despite the many assaults on runners and women near campuses). Meanwhile, women are wondering why such assaults are only important to people when a migrant does it.

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    1. The "serious problem" may just be the political one, which would make it impossible for Biden to do what needs to be done without addressing public concern and perception ginned up by the right wing.

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    2. 1:48 has the most significant insight here, including the blogger.

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  14. Here is one of Somerby's famous false equivalencies:

    "In our view, it's pretty much Watters and Gutfeld and Reid and Psaki oh my!"

    The occasional partisan joke by Reid and Psaki doesn't come close to the ongoing nightly routines on Fox for crude lack of taste, sexism, racism and stupidity. The main similarity is that Reid and Psaki told a joke Somerby didn't like on MSNBC, wereas Somerby likes Gutfeld and Watters enough to continue watching them night after night.

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  15. Being a liberal, I can recognize the diversity of opinions on the left spectrum, expressed on various shows by different people. It strikes me as a wide variety of viewpoints, some of which I strongly disagree with, even though I consider myself a lefty too. I cannot expect with any certainty to encounter only those who share my opinions on MSNBC.

    Perhaps Somerby does not recognize the variety because he himself is not any kind of liberal. Or perhaps there is more homogeneity of belief on the right, although I doubt that Nikki Haley voters have much in common with Q-Anon supporters. I think Somerby's premise is wrong.

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  16. Somerby really should get his professional jealousy under control. Other people should be able to make jokes without suffering his petty wrath.

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  17. Here is a Fox News host sticking up for civility, so perhaps the tide is turning a little:

    "Fox Business' Stuart Varney called out Trump's "name-calling" of Gov. Gavin Newsom in a live interview Thursday with Karoline Leavitt, the former president's 2024 national campaign press secretary.

    "I take issue with Trump's new nickname for California's governor, calling him "new scum," Varney said. "I don't think that's a good idea, I object to that kind of language, how about you?"

    When Leavitt tried to argue that Newsom's policy decisions merited strong language, Varney was quick to pounce.

    "Are you saying it's okay to bring that kind of language to a presidential campaign?" Varney demanded. "New scum? That's okay?"

    Once again, Leavitt tried to defend her boss and point the finger at "deranged Democrats" — and once again, Varney wasn't having it.

    "No," he snapped. "Your campaign has a problem with language like that."

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    1. It’s Trump’s flair for comedy.

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  18. Trump is the one dissuading Repubicans from voting for him:

    "Former Republican lawmaker and State Party Chairman Chris Vance had this to say:

    "I was a Republican for 37 years. I served as a Republican lawmaker and the State Party Chairman of Washington state," he said Wednesday. "This year I will once again support Joe Biden for President. The party I belonged to has been transformed into a protofascist disgrace. Country before Party." [Rawstory]

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    1. He is very strident and will hurt the Others’ feelings. Shame on him.

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  19. Maddoe wore her "look how gay I am " wardrobe and hairstyle.

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