MONDAY, NOVEMBER 4, 2024
Also, Semafor tattles: How does the state of Iowa vote in presidential elections?
In recent years, the state's pattern has been hard to explain. Here's the way the state voted in 2008:
Iowa presidential election, 2008
Obama: 53.9%
McCain: 44.4%
Obama won by almost ten points. Here's where things went from there:
Iowa presidential election, 2012
Obama: 52.0%
Romney: 46.2%
Iowa presidential election, 2016
Trump: 51.2%
Clinton: 41.7%
Iowa presidential election, 2020
Trump: 53.1%
Biden: 44.9%
Offhand, we can't puzzle that out. Consider the shift in statewide voter sentiment from 2012 to 2016:
Nationwide, the Democratic candidate lost a bit less than three points from 2012 to 2016. The party went from Obama's 51.1% nationwide vote in 2012 down to Clinton's 48.2% four years later.
Statewide in Iowa, the Democratic candidate lost more than ten points over that same period—from Obama's 52.0% all the way down to Clinton's 41.7%. That was a very large drop—almost four times the nationwide norm. Four years later, Biden only won back three points.
Offhand, we can't explain that statewide voting pattern. Now, the Iowa poll suggests that Candidate Harris might actually win the Hawkeye State! (Or possibly not, of course.)
In our view, tis a dream devoutly to be wished. Is it going to happen? We have no idea.
Meanwhile:
On this very morning, fire trucks from the New York Times arrived at the scene of the fire. As noted this morning, we refer to this "News Analysis" piece from the front page of today's print editions:
NEWS ANALYSIS
Trump’s Wild Claims, Conspiracies and Falsehoods Redefine Presidential Bounds
It took just two minutes for former President Donald J. Trump to utter his first lie of the evening, claiming once again that the 2020 election had been stolen.
By four minutes into the televised interview on Thursday night, he was claiming that this time around “we’re leading by a lot” in the polls, setting up another false claim of a stolen election should he lose on Tuesday.
[...]
Truth is not always an abundant resource in the White House under any president, but never has the Oval Office been occupied by someone so detached from verifiable facts...
The analysis piece goes on at great length. It arrives at the scene of the conflagration clownishly late in the game.
As we've long noted, the endless misstatements of Candidate Trump should have formed a major "news hook" long ago. As we've frequently noted, when a major party nominee makes so many crazy misstatements, that behavior should count as front-page news every time it happens.
(Stating the obvious, endless unsupported claims about past and future "stolen elections" should be viewed as especially noxious, given the basic structure of our failing American system.)
The Times has arrived at the scene of the blaze just as the ashes fly. Apparently, some people inside the New York Times may have agreed with this assessment as this candidate's lunacy—and the silence about it at the Times—continued to move along.
This morning, Semafor tattles! At that site, Max Tani describes the apparent unrest in a lengthy report which starts in the manner shown:
In a frank internal meeting, The New York Times wrestled with its political role
With the 2024 presidential election a few weeks away, one question was top of mind for staff at The New York Times: Had the paper’s leadership noticed how many Democrats had become furious at it over its coverage of Donald Trump?
The Times, and the American media at large, absorb endless vitriol from the right. At a rally Sunday, Donald Trump joked that he wouldn’t mind if another would-be assassin had to “shoot through” the press pen to get to him.
But when the country’s most influential newsroom assembled at the paper’s New York headquarters for a nearly 90-minute-long off-the-record Q&A with the paper’s top editors on Oct. 24, some of its journalists voiced a different set of concerns about the 2024 election and how its outcome might shape the paper’s future.
Semafor obtained a recording of the meeting, which offers extraordinary insight into a key American institution under intense external scrutiny and internal pressure...
The report is there for all to peruse. To read the report, click here.
The Times has arrived at the scene of the crime. Election Day is tomorrow.
In our view, this silence has been a form of journalistic inanity pretty much all the way down. We leave you with this week's top question:
Might this journalistic failure to perform also turn out to be one of our nation's deeply destructive "new normals?"
Was Trump's statement "we’re leading by a lot in the polls” a lie? Was it so egregious that it deserves to be pointed out as a lie in the news on the front page of the NY Times?
ReplyDeleteThe answer is NO. This boastful statement is too vague and ambiguous to be classified as false or true. How much is "a lot"? Which polls? Is the alleged lead in terms of popular votes or electoral votes? Or, does leading by "a lot" mean "leading in a lot of different polls"?
In terms of the precise meanings of the terms involved, no it's not a lie.
DeleteIn terms of how ordinary people speak, of course it is. The race is a toss-up; neither candidate is ahead by a lot.
DiC has not read the article or he's hoping you won't. The "leading by a lot" claim was far from the central point of the analysis. Instead, the writer cited a long list of fanciful claims made by Trump. This was just one.
DeleteTo wit:
"None of that was true. And that was just the first 300 seconds. For the rest of the evening, Mr. Trump spouted one statement after another that was fanciful, misleading, distorted or wildly false. He rewrote history. He claimed accomplishments that he did not accomplish. He cited statistics at odds with the record. He described things that did not happen and denied things that did."
Trump can say he is leading in the polls.
DeleteHarris can say she is leading in the polls.
Huh!
How is this possible?
Because there are plenty of junk polls out there.
The average of A+ polls show that Harris took the lead in August in both the national and swing state polls, and she has never lost that lead.
Couple of interesting aspects of the polling this election are:
_Harris has a historic lead among women
_Since September Harris has gained among independents by 19 points to now lead by +15
If Harris wins, some of those polls will be exposed as junk, and some of the analysts will also be exposed and have to eat crow. Some are now trying to hedge their bets, generate plausible deniability, but unfortunately for them, there is a paper trail.
What David is trying to say is that compared to the overall deceitfulness of Trump's campaign, this was small potatoes. Trump's entire existence, including his presidency and campaign, are all based on lies.
DeleteQuaker - I followed your suggestion and read that NYTimes article. I was not impressed. YMMV
DeleteDiC, the things you have in common with Trump are being a dullard and endless troll.
ReplyDeleteAgree. Let's just start ignoring DiC.
DeleteIt's easy to ignore DiC - I skip over his comments all the time - because he does us the courtesy of using a nym.
DeleteYes, we all know you have a closed mind.
DeleteMight the journalistic failure to examine why voters are so disgusted by Democrats that someone like Trump is seen as superior, and why failed journalists not only fail to examine this but contribute to the deep disgust for Democrat candidates on the part of voters?
ReplyDeleteVoters aren’t disgusted by Democrats. Biden got 8,000,000 more votes than Trump.
DeleteHe was so pissed at Hillary beating him in the popular vote by 3M that he convened a panel to find the illegal votes. They shut down after three months after finding nothing. But the screeching orange turd continues his never ending whine. When do the cultists tire of the clown show?
DeleteTo be sure, that panel was a scam, raising hundreds of millions of dollars that never went towards any investigation but instead went to however Trump saw fit, much of it likely went to his lawyers defending his various crimes..
DeleteAs I recall it was called the Election Integrity Committee and was headed by Steve Scalise, and yes, it uncovered nothing of substance even though Scalise was chosen for his conviction that Hillary was handed more votes than she got. Usual Republican BS. I am not sure I would call the panel a scam for money, but maybe 5:17 knows more than I do. It was a scam in the usual Republican sense, like the 8 Benghazi hearings and the Biden crime family BS they peddled with the help of a Russian agent, finding nothing.
DeleteHot off the Times.
ReplyDeleteKamala Harris filmed an interview for "Subway Takes," but it never aired. Why?
Her campaign pre-approved the topics, rejecting a question the Muslim host, Rahma, wanted to ask about Gaza.
He interviewed her anyway, but the take she delivered was that "bacon is a spice." Offended, he paused the interview and asked her to give a different take.
"On the advice of a staffer, Harris decides to declare her love of anchovies on pizza." Rahma ended the interview there.
who gives a shit?
DeleteShe's just so fuckin stupid.
DeleteWow, breaking news.
DeleteNone of this is a new normal. It is still abnormal even if people colluded with Trump.
ReplyDeleteIs Somerby really so naive that he doesn't understand what happened in 2016 when Clinton ran against Trump? First, there was a massive anti-Clinton campaign conducted by the NY Times in collusion with Republicans, publishing such things as excerpts from Clinton Cash (a hit-job book full of falsehoods published by the right wing press) and the combined effect of e-mail hearings and Benghazi hearings. Then Comey's last-minute letter about a laptop found to have nothing whatsoever compromising on it. But there was never any examination of the sexism and misogyny aimed at Clinton, the way there has been for Harris. And Trump was a novelty in 2016, not what he is today.
ReplyDeleteThere was plenty of analysis that Somerby could and should have read about Clinton's loss, including her own honest examination, "What Happened." So pretending this is some big mystery is ridiculous and Somerby shouldn't be bewildered, as he pretends today. Somerby's pretense is unfair to Clinton, but what else is new?
Men make better presidents. IMO.
ReplyDeleteHow would you know?
DeleteWe're not in the position to try. Especially with Harris.
DeleteI say it's going to be Harris, a squeaker. Not happy about it, she is the wrong one at this moment.
ReplyDelete