But first, Paul Krugman’s column: Liberals should be very angry, furious, with CNN’s Carol Costello.
But first, a note about Paul Krugman’s new column.
In his column, Krugman discusses the ways plutocrats just keep winning with political programs which hurt the bulk of voters. This was his first explanation:
KRUGMAN (10/24/14): One answer is propaganda: tell voters, often and loudly, that taxing the rich and helping the poor will cause economic disaster, while cutting taxes on “job creators” will create prosperity for all. There’s a reason conservative faith in the magic of tax cuts persists no matter how many times such prophecies fail (as is happening right now in Kansas): There’s a lavishly funded industry of think tanks and media organizations dedicated to promoting and preserving that faith.We wish, wish, wish that we saw liberals and progressives trying to explain this state of affairs to misled voters in “middle America.”
We rarely see that effort being made. That brings us to Krugman’s second explanation, where we think his political sensors go significantly wrong:
KRUGMAN (continuing directly): Another answer, with a long tradition in the United States, is to make the most of racial and ethnic divisions—government aid just goes to Those People, don’t you know. And besides, liberals are snooty elitists who hate America.Earth to Krugman: Many highly visible putative liberals really are “snooty elitists!” In that passage, Krugman seems to deny this obvious fact—and he mixes this apparent denial with a somewhat snarky claim about race, a topic which should never be discussed in a casual manner.
We think the messaging there is bad. This brings us to Carol Costello.
In that second passage, Krugman seems to roll his eyes at persistent political claims about liberals being “snooty elitists.” Unfortunately, snooty elitism is on wide display in various parts of the putative liberal world.
Everyone can see this fact except us snooty liberals! Costello’s recent display on CNN is one of the worst such displays in years.
Why do tons of people in middle America believe that liberals are “snooty elitists?” In part, because ridiculous people like Costello keep going a million miles out of their way to reinforce the storyline.
At issue is Costello’s recent, deeply ridiculous report about Sarah Palin’s family. For Politico’s report on Costello’s absurd performance, you can just click here.
We’ll have to link you to the MRC’s NewsBusters to let you see the full two minutes. Therein lies a tale.
Without question, you totally ought to click this link and watch the tape of Costello’s performance. Ridiculous people like Costello, behaving in these ridiculous ways, are the leading edge of a (frequently accurate) stereotype—a stereotype which keeps getting liberals defeated.
Click this link and watch that tape! You will be looking into the face of 1) astounding journalistic misconduct and 2) persistent liberal dysfunction and defeat.
It would be hard to get any dumber than Costello is on that tape. That said, can you think of other examples of this type of behavior?
Sad to say, we can!
In Krugman’s column, he seems to suggest that the image of liberals as snooty elitists is a silly stereotype. When he links that patently bogus suggestion to snarky claims of his own about race, he ensures that large numbers of voters will disregard his claims.
In fact, a mountain of snooty attitude lies behind that image of liberals. Meanwhile, everyone knows about snooty elitist liberals—everyone except us snooty liberals!
Everyone knows it. All too often, snooty elitists R us!
The unbelievably clueless Costello just did you a world of harm. Liberals should be very angry about her ridiculous conduct.
With respect to NewsBusters: Way back when, in September 2000, we did an hour on C-Span’s Washington Journal with our host, Brian Lamb, and the MRC’s Brent Bozell.
In fairness to Brent, he played well with others that day. But in those days of liberal somnolence, we couldn’t have imagined a time when his outfit, the MRC, would actually get something right.
Today, we liberals have emerged from the woods. All too often, our conduct is Costello-level absurd.
Today, the MRC is sometimes right. People like the snooty Costello just keep sending them gifts!
How do we know Carol Costello is a liberal? Because she's on CNN? I know nothing about her except that she's a TV anchor. But if we are expected to be held responsible for eveything anyone on TV who can be portrayed (accurately or not) as a liberal, then we are doomed. All of this stuff is just an entertainment show. We have zero control over it other than to shut it off. That's my recommendation.ReplyDelete
We know she's a liberal because Bob Somerby and Brent Bozell say so.Delete
Bob Somerby spent ten years in inner city classrooms earning his liberal credentials.Delete
Wipe the cheetos off your stupid grin and tell us what you have done for the people lately.
That was more than 30 years ago. And he wasn't earning his liberal credentials. He was dodging the damned draft.Delete
Ronald Reagan once was the president of a union. Guess that gives him liberal creds for life, too.
Bob's summary of his teaching life: "5 shows a day plus homeroom."Delete
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Clinton's military experience consisted of organizing anti-war protests in London. That's draft dodger + earning liberal creds.Delete
And the WPE's ever was getting his daddy to get him a safe berth in the TANG, defending Lubbock against Oklahoma.Delete
Clinton had a draft number but it wasn't called. He didn't have an exemption.Delete
Bush 43 served in the U.S.A.F. during Vietnam and Clinton coordinated anit-war rallies in a foreign country during the Vietnam War.Delete
"There isn't even a smidgeon of corruption in the IRS" BHO
The WPE served in the TANG during Vietnam, having used his father's influence to jump the waiting list into a safe post.Delete
Safe? Bush 43 flew the Convair F-102 Delta Dagger in the 147th Reconnaissance Wing..Delete
The definition of safe from military and or combat duty =
Clinton flew by the seat of his civilian pants in organizing protest Vietnam War rallies abroad. The only danger Clinton faced was death by hang nail.
You think that holding the WPE in contempt requires admiring Clinton. Clinton has nothing to do with the WPE using family influence to get someone else to risk life and limb in Vietnam.Delete
But that 147th Recon Air Wing was somethin' though. Kept Oklahoma from invading Texas.
WPE? Just like Obermann's Worst Person in the World. How original. Don't you have a callow name for Clinton and Obama?Delete
Of course POTUS Clinton's failure of military service is relevant when you bring up POTUS Bush43's actual military service.
That you disparage those who are stationed stateside during the Vietnam War, the Air National Guard, and those who fly combat fighter jets says a lot about your selective outrage.
But of course you consider the Vietnam War to be an illegal war and those who fought there as "baby killers". Why all the colic about Bush43 not seeing combat in Nam?
" ... somewhat snarky claim about race."ReplyDelete
Good to see you teaming up. Keep up the excellent work.Delete
I love all you guys!Delete
I don't support your violation of our nonaggression pact, but dammit I'll defend to the death your right to free speech on Somerby's comment board.Delete
But Uncle Joe, doesn't it bother you when Bob slams your loyal followers at Salon?Delete
"Liberals are snooty elitists who hate America" = set; false stereotype.ReplyDelete
"highly visible putative liberals that are snooty elitists" = subset of liberals; may or may not be true.
Earth to blogger: false equivalence through conflation.
OMB (The Very, Very Liberal OTB Defines Liberalism for Us)ReplyDelete
"You will be looking into the face of 1) astounding journalistic misconduct and 2) persistent liberal dysfunction and defeat."
We think we are looking into the post of a blogger who has completely lost it. Or perhaps it is just a murky stew of loose wire and screw.
BOB has just become a shill for one team in the Thrilla from Wasilla.
Here is a little of what he left out:
Please follow that link and its own link back to the eyewitness report on ABC at the time of the incident.
But of course what BOB left out he makes up for with the two things he added in:
1) He has decided for us that Carol Costello is a liberal, and that all liberals suffer, and deservedly so the snooty fools, bad politcal consequences for acts by a television journalist.
2) That this terrible behavior merits yet again a mention of his past appearance with someone, proving BOB is adopting the I-I-I-I coat of arms he awarded to Rachel Maddow recently. We think it was when Rachel disappeared all the Hispanics. She did a good job. BOB hasn't mentioned Hispanics since. He rarely did before.
2000 was truly the highlight of Somerby's life.Delete
C-Span was the high point of his audience.Delete
Oh, how the "commenters' amuse each other.Delete
Isn't it interesting that no matter how many blatantly racist signs showed up at Tea Party rallies, Somerby is quick to lecture against drawing broad conclusions about all Tea Partiers.Delete
Yet, one CNN reporter giggles at Bristol Palin, and it's typical to him of how all "liberals" think and behave.
Has anyone ever recalled khomst ever commenting on anything other than other commenters?Delete
Please link to these racist signs at Tea Party rallies?Delete
How many CNN/MSNBC liberal hosts (have to embarrass themselves before liberals admit that their behavior is representative of the left wing ideology?
"MSNBC host offers tearful apology to Romneys"
"CNN's Costello Refuses to Apologize to Palins On Air"
"MSNBC’s Martin Bashir Apologizes to Sarah Palin"
The Palins are an embarrassment. No, really they are.ReplyDelete
Straight up trailer trash.
That's not snooty. It's true.
The Anchorage Police are just angry because Palin tried to get one of their own, an Alaska state trooper, fired because of bad blood resulting from his dating her sister.Delete
Wait. Didn't this recent thing start over somebody dating some Palin sister?
I don't know whether or not the Palins are "trailer trash." However, the fact that 3:11 cares shows that s/he's an elitist.Delete
Does it make me an elitst to wondering what the Palin family was doing showing up drunk to a party they weren't invited to at the residence of a "boyfriend" their daughter had just broken up with?Delete
If so, I guess I'm an elitist,
It's not true and it is snooty. But thanks for proving the point.Delete
Anybody know who mugged Bob's gatekeeper? He was good. He once vetted Vice Presidential candiates for the McCain campaign.ReplyDelete
And don't get me started about that snooty Couric woman and all her stupid questions about newspaper readin.ReplyDelete
Don't forget the snooty Gibson and his trick questions about foreign countries and the Bush Doctrine.Delete
Forget in what way Charlie?Delete
HaHaHa. You snooty trolls. Wait till the second wave gets here to defend Somerby.ReplyDelete
Is it also possible that a good deal of the blowback that Costello got was from "liberals" who objected to her giggling about a young woman crying about a physical fight?ReplyDelete
Of course not. All liberals are snooty elitists. Bob says so. And Brent Bozell agrees.
Liberals should be angry and furious, not snooty and eilitist. With you help, Bob Somerby can fix all that.Delete
I think Carol’s big mistake was not adding a brief simple straightforward disclaimer that while she thinks Bristol’s potty-mouth laced audio is hilarious she in no way condones a male physically abusing a female.ReplyDelete
Other than that, when the borderline rude and unsophisticated Palin clan elicits mocking from cable news, Inside Edition, Entertainment Tonight and gossipy celebrity websites for being more like the TV shows Jersey Shore or the Real Housewives of New Jersey I don’t see that what Ms. Costello said was worthy of most of the faux outrage that she has received.
When you act like stereotypical white trash you are going to encounter some level of criticism and ridicule. Seems like fair game to me.
I would say to Costello critics from the tea party, most people ridiculing the Palins are doing it not because of the Palin family's politics. It’s because of their uncultivated (but humorous) lifestyle.
Quoting Aaron Rodgers' comment to whining Packers' fans, "Relax."
Grab a cold beer, laugh a little and enjoy life.
Costello seems to have changed her position on domestic violence. She chastised ESPN's Stephen A. Smith for his indelicate comments on the issue, but now domestic violence is fodder for Carol's callow comedy club.Delete
"Flashback: CNN's Costello Calls For Suspension of ESPN Analyst Over Domestic Abuse Comments"
The right wing noise machine has been working furiously to turn the Palins into victims.ReplyDelete
Interesting how the first thing Somerby has to say about this incident is regurgitation of that spin.
Nonsense again. A smart person who does something stupid is not equivalent to a dumb person who does something stupid. The dumb person (Palin) remains dumb because that is typical of them not an aberration. Biden is no Disraeli either but Palin is much further from him than Biden.Delete
Please provide examples of VP Biden or Senator Biden or POTUS candidate Biden saying or doing these alleged "smart" things?Delete
Them? You say "person" and then you refer to that person as "them"? Are you speaking about the entire Palin family? Because the entire Biden family is no stranger to law enforcement either.
You didn't answer why SP, who hasn't held a political position for over 6 years, still incites so much hostility from liberals. It is common knowledge that libs loath conservative women and minorities, but the obsession with Palin indicates some pathological dysfunction.
I've never thought of Costello as a "liberal", just as an idiot.ReplyDelete
You get two for the price of one.Delete
How did Costello become a liberal icon, again? Because she made fun of drunk grifters?Delete
Icon? Judging by CNN ratings, the women has an audience of a cable access show. Costello is just a fringe liberal media simpleton.Delete
Well, in this case, it's CNN who turned the Palin's into victims (with approval from some commenters here.) This event doesn't deserve to be national news. Palin isn't terribly important. She's just a former VP candidate, who now has a cable TV show.If Lloyd Benson's son got into a fight at a party and punched someone, should that be national news?)ReplyDelete
Also, Palin herself didn't do anything wrong..The fracas wasn't that major. Nobody was arrested. Nobody went to the hospital. It was a minor drunken brawl at a party.
Dave, the Palins haven't been turned into victims, despite Bozell's and Somerby's lame attempts.Delete
They remain -- more now than ever -- laughingstocks.
Except of course to idiots like you. And Bozell. And Somerby.
Lloyd who's son?Delete
Oh! The Lloyd Benson's son that trashes the POTUS every day and makes incoherent speeches at every right-wing non-event he can beg his way into?
THAT Lloyd Benson's son!
Thankfully we have a VP Biden instead of a VP Palin. Biden is certainly not known for being gaffe prone.Delete
Biden is looking right at Senator Chuck Graham, who is confined to a wheelchair, and asked him to stand up.
As Senator,, Joe Biden declared he had "three words" for what the nation needs: "J-O-B-S."
Biden is known for foot-in-mouth disease.Delete
Right Dave. The former nominee for Vice President of the United States and her entire family -- including her five-year-old grandchild -- show up -- many of them already drunk -- in a stretch hummer and crash a keg party to which they aren't invited, and a drunken brawl erupts when they are told to leave.ReplyDelete
Nothing to see here. Move along.
AnonymousOctober 24, 2014 at 6:03 PM -- Some stories are considered Too Good to Check. Note all the non-verified assertions in your comment. You don't know who, if anyone, was actually drunk. You don't know whether it was considered appropriate for the Palin family to go to that party. You don't know what actually triggered the brawl. Note that Briston Palin's version of what happened is quite different from yours, 6:03.Delete
But, who cares? When you hate Sarah and you hate her whole family, the story is just too good to check.
"... the fact that 3:11 cares show that he/she is an elitist."Delete
Given your 4 posts on the subject, that makes you a SUPERelitist ConTroll, Dinky.
Michelle Malkin's combox misses you.
You hear Bristol on the audio tape? That's also quite different from her latest version of what happened.Delete
But by all means, the only person we need to hear from is Bristol Palin. Why would she lie about dragging her family into a drunken brawl?
As a matter of fact, I can't wait until her next version. Given even more time, she'll think up an even better story.
Can't wait for VP Joe Biden's son Hunter's next story about why he was drummed out of the Navy for testing positive for cocaine. It appears daughter Ashley has a weakness for the nose candy as well. Where is the lame stream on these stories?Delete
Biden's kids used cocaine. I got 846K hits on the topic, including ones to cbs, nbc, wsj, and of course faux news.Delete
Who cares and what does that have to do with the drunken brawl involving the First Family of American Grifters?
If you can find one mention of VP Biden's cocaine addicted offspring by the networks than why are they not considered Faux News as well? Only devotees of the insufferable Keith Olbermann use the term "Faux News" for FNC.Delete
Can you post any news anchor at MSNBC/CNN/PBS delighting in the misfortunes of Biden's kids? No? Why did Costello feel confident she could make a fool of herself mocking the 911 call and believe her job as an anchor would not be in jeopardy?
You obviously have no idea what grifter means. Please name anyone the Palins have cheated?
A grifter is a con artist. You could argue that Palin was working a major con on voters as VP candidate given her lack of qualifications and inability to answer even simple interview questions. But that doesn't make much sense to me because (1) a real con artist would be much better at faking it, and (2) many male candidates have been as unqualified as Palin and been taken seriously. I do think there is a lot of sexism in the way Palin is treated compared to Rick Perry, for example. I dislike it that this crap is coming from my own party. And I always vote -- but not for any candidate that buys into this, including team Obama.Delete
I know a grifter when I see one. But don't believe me. Check out her stealing from the state of Alaska and the Republican Party.Delete
You asked where the "lame stream" media was on the Biden kids' story. I told you: they were all over it. Now you want to know why they didn't laugh. Maybe because cocaine use isn't funny. I'm sorry that drunken grifters telling sob stories strikes some people as amusing.
You want to know why Costello mocked drunk grifters? Ask her. I'm not the cable news whisperer.
Google finds north of 700K hits for the phrase "Faux News"; add Olbermann to the search and the result is half that. So the usage is widespread far beyond KO. Insufferable devotees of insufferable grifters both use "lame stream."
You have actually met Sarah Palin? Did you call her a grifter to her face? That would give you a chance to use your Obamacare dental insurance.Delete
You still have not explained how FNC reports the same stories as the networks, but they are not real news.
Cocaine addiction isn't funny? Since when? Since it involves liberals?
Costello was asked. She apologized viva twitter, but refused to apologize on the air. Perhaps she was too busy getting fitted with new "believe me" eyeglasses.
Because of KO's jealousy of FNC ratings, he felt compelled to mention the inane term "Faux News" several times a segment when he had a show on the doomed cable outlet. Whom else besides libs say "Faux News" ? What is the liberal moniker for MSNBC? Irrelevant?
I haven't actually met Sarah Palin, so your fantasy of her punching me in the mouth is just that, a pathetic fantasy.Delete
I don't watch Faux "News"; I don't watch MSNBC either.
Viva twitter? Whom else? Is it OK if I make fun of you if I promise I'm not a member of the "lame stream media?
There is a difference between an embezzler and a grifter. A grifter is specifically a con artist. I know you are attached to the term but it doesn't fit Palin.Delete
@9:53, How many angels can dance on the point of your head?Delete
Don't like to admit when you're wrong. Not an attractive trait.Delete
That knocking sound you're hearing? It's the irony fairy. She's got a message for you. Let her in.Delete
deadrat's true confession. Being knocked unconscious by SP would be a fantasy come true. Perhaps you should get in touch with the Make A Wish Foundation.Delete
It is obvious you do not watch FNC. Libs who invoke that inane moniker always speak about things they know nothing about.
Er, Sparky? You brought up the vision of the matriarch of the grifters punching me. This is your fantasy.Delete
Why would any thinking person watch Faux News? Propaganda isn't that interesting. I've seen enough clips online to understand. You don't have to eat a whole egg to know it's bad.
Clips? Which "clips" were those? You consider yourself to be a "thinking" person? By what rubric did you come to this conclusion?Delete
What propaganda are you speaking about? Broadcasting the scandals of the Obama Administration maybe unsettling to libs, but the facts are undeniable.
FNC has on the usual liberal pundits, liberal politicians , and liberal celebrities every day to provide the liberal pov. Are you saying they are promoting propaganda?
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There is a difference between an embezzler and a grifter. A grifter is specifically a con artist. I know you are attached to the term but it doesn't fit Palin.
You can't see she's an obvious grifter? Who are you, the media?
How can anyone think such an experience is funny. The expletives are because she's upset. That she is a Palin changes nothing. I am not a conservative but I am an empathetic human being and I think neither Costello nor the commenters here should treat this woman's experience like a joke. That is what puts off viewers.ReplyDelete
Costello will come across as liberal no matter what her actual politics because liberals declared open season on the Palins and apparently don't know when to stop. Women will not like seeing assault treated like a joke, no matter what their politics. I find it hypocritical when someone objects to racist language then calls anyone"trailer trash". That definitely sounds elitist.
You trolls had a fine afternoon demonstrating what awful people you are.
What makes this humorous is the eyewitnesses who described Bristol's encounter quite a bit differently than she did.Delete
What makes this sad are idiots who automatically believe because a woman told this version it is an accurate description of an assault.
If you find Bristol's $300 sunglasses, be sure to mail them back to her.
Hey, she earned those $300, and a lot more, by being the daughter of Sarah Palin. Now stop subjecting her to unfair attention for being the daughter of Sarah Palin. She's a victim, you vicious liberal bastard.Delete
I cannot believe my eyes. I woke up on what might have been an otherwise nice day in our now ruined world and find myself labeled a vicious liberal bastard.Delete
I am not vicious. I am snooty.
With zero journalism experience, Chelsea Clinton, before being fired, received $650,000 from NBC to act as a News special correspondent. She didn't want to wind up broke like her parents when they left The White House. When did Costello mock this NBC hire? Never? Why? It is ripe for ridicule.Delete
Odd that you think being part of a presidential campaign is zero journalism experience. Ditto for working with a global aid foundation. She has an MBA and worked on Wall Street. She married rich. She didn't take the job for the money and she will never be broke. What is there to mock?Delete
Odd? Why would you imagine Chelsea escape ridicule especially when she has inserted herself into her parents politics? What do any of those above mentioned things have to do with being a journalist or paying dues to become one?Delete
Why would the professional student Chelsea take the job for money when her parents make millions from speaking engagements?
Apparently you are unaware of Chelsea's incompetence in attempting to run a campaign.
"Halper reports insiders have dubbed the 34-year-old daughter the "royal child," as she increasingly exercising her influence over the Clinton machine.
After a few stints in the private sector and academia, she officially joined her parents at the family foundation — renamed the Bill, Hillary & Chelsea Clinton Foundation in 2013. With her name on the letterhead, her parents are said to kowtow to her every whim.
Plagued by guilt after dragging her through the mud with their scandals, the power couple are completely "beholden" to Chelsea's ideas, according to a "source very close to the Clinton family
And the politicians' sweet spot for Chelsea has left some allies sour. "She's never had a job. She's been in college for 12 years," one ex-insider said of Chelsea's multiple degrees, including a Stanford bachelor’s, master degrees from Oxford and Columbia, and a Ph.D. from Oxford."
Lots of silly stuff here but I don't think I will waste any more time discussing anything with a conservative troll.Delete
Better stick to concurring with liberal trolls. Libs always retreat when ever they are challenged to defend their pov.Delete
You ask why a 30-something married woman doesn't live off her mommies earnings. There's nothing to discuss with you. You are too silly.Delete
What? You are the one who said she married rich, doesn't need money, and will never be broke. That would imply she is well taken care of by her hubby and her parents. You still have not explained why a person with zero job experience commanded a $650,000 a year salary. That she embarrassed herself in the position makes the question even more salient.Delete
I'm done arguing with conservative trolls. I wish deadrat would quit too, but that is too much to hope for.Delete
@3:06, I can grant that wish with regard to cicero. Is that good enough for now?Delete
Judging by the prosaic response from the both of you it is obvious that neither of you have any experience defending the liberal pov. Posting on dailykos and Media Matters shelters you from ever confronting any ideology at odds with the leftist dogma.Delete
Conservatives tell people 24/7 that the media are all liberal, except Fox. As a result, it is reasonable to say that Costello will be taken, by some people, as representative of what liberals think. Who are those people? How many of them start with open minds? Probably quite few. But whenever Bob wants to flay the left (which is always), they become legion. And people like Costello, about whom we know nothing more than her profession, become "liberal figures." In other words, Bob willingly goes about spreading the conservative fiction that the media has a liberal bias, because it's convenient for him. Just another day in Bobville.ReplyDelete
It is safe to say that conservatives don't go around mocking Palin, so she is a liberal by default. This is not all in Somerby's mind.Delete
I think it is safe to say that some conservatives are damned embarrassed by Sarah Palin and her family, and have been for quite some time -- long before they crashed a keg party and got involved in a drunken brawl.Delete
They don't mock her publicly because whatever their feelings they have party discipline. So you can bet Costello will not be applying for a job at Fox. That makes her a liberal because anyone not a conservative is a liberal.Delete
In fact, I work in an environment where 90% of the people are conservatives, and some of them mock Palin, when she's discussed at all. The rest just want to forget her. Oddly (not really), when she was first announced as McCain's running mate, they unanimously adored her -- I was actually embarrassed for them, the adoration was so intense. Take what else from it what you will, but the implication that only liberals mock Palin, thus Costello must be a liberal, is false. And of course, it's possible -- just remotely, I know -- that Palin is one of those people who are mocked because they ought to be mocked, politics aside. Of course, only a liberal could possibly say such a thing, as Palin is so obviously a serious and weighty figure, except to a mindless partisanDelete
Are your friends broadcasters? That's who we were talking about.Delete
Ah, so you meant "conservative broadcasters." Like Joe Scarborough. Or Peggy Noonan. Or Charles Krauthammer. Or David Frum. Or Karl Rove. People like that? Well then, my bad. Because no conservative would EVER dare mock Ms. Palin on TV. Simply couldn't happen. If it did, a one minute Google search would find it.Delete
FNC hosts/reporters who previously worked at CNN:Delete
John D. Roberts , journalist
Greta Van Susterin
Ed Henry, White House Correspondent
Howard Kurtz, media commentator
The lack of empathy among some commenters is stunning. It seems that tribalism has had too great an impact. You can see this by putting the shoe on the other foot.ReplyDelete
Imagine that there was a big fight at Mallia Obama's school. Suppose, during the fight, a boy had assaulted Malia and thrown her to the ground. Suppose an upset Malia than made a bunch of intemperate comments that were caught on tape. Now suppose that Rush Limbaugh played this hypothetical tape on his show, prefacing it by announcing: "I’m just going to come right out and say it. This is quite possibly the best minute and a half of audio we’ve ever come across...Sit back and enjoy.”
I think you get the point.
You complaining about someone's else's lack of empathy, that's rich.Delete
Have the lambs stopped screaming yet, Clarice?
Imagine there was a drunken fight at Malia Obama's school. Imagine that Malia claimed that a boy had punched her to the ground and hit her when "she tried to get her fucking balance." Imagine that she'd said at the time that she was in a "fucking thong dress." Imagine that she'd actually repeatedly punched one of the boys in the face before giving her self-serving sob story.Delete
Sorry, but my imagination fails me.
Chelsea Clinton is also a popular subject of such imaginings. In her case, we don't have to suppose what Rush Limbaugh would say about her. We already know. When Chelsea was 13, Limbaugh asked the following question on his TV show: "“Socks is the White House cat. But did you know there is also a White House dog?” He then put a picture of the teenager on the air.
I think you (should) get the point.
Awww, Rushbo was jus' havin' a lil' fun at the ugly bitch's expense. Can't you libtards take a joke?Delete
Besides, nobody takes Rushbo seriously. He's just entertainment. He has no power or influence at all. Ask any conservative (like me), and we'll either tell you 1) We never listen to him; and/or 2), he's just entertainment, and nothing he says is serious. I agree with everything he says, and anyone who disagrees is a liberal commie feminazi welfare-sucking member of the gay posse, and slutty too, but it's just entertainment and not meant to be taken seriously. Even though he's never wrong.
deadrat, according to this your version of that Rush Limbaugh story isn't what happened. I've summarized Limbaugh's explanation below. More details are available at the full link. This Youtube snippet from the actual show supports Limbaugh's version.Delete
Either way, Carol Costollo looks terrible. Either she did something as bad as Limbaugh at his worst, or she did something as bad as false stories that Limbaugh's enemies made up about him..
Rush has always maintained the incident was an accident. On his show four days later, Rush offered an explanation to his audience. First, the show played, “Who’s sorry now” in the background and Limbaugh pointed to himself. Then he said:
Ladies and gentlemen, I’m sorry. Let me tell you very quickly what happened last Friday night. There was a new in list and new out list that was published in the newspaper. The writer said in, cute kid in the White House; out, cute dog in the White House. Could we show the cute dog in the White House who’s out, and they put up a picture of Chelsea Clinton back in the crew. And many of you people think that we did it on purpose to make a cheap comment on her appearance. And I’m terribly sorry. I don’t–look, that takes no talent whatsoever and I have a lot of talent. I don’t need to get laughs by commenting on people’s looks, especially a young child who’s done nothing wrong. I mean, she can’t control the way she looks. And we really–we do not–we do not do that on this kind of show. So put a picture up of her now and so we can square this."
They then showed the picture of Chelsea Clinton. She had a displeased look on her face, as if to show that she was not too happy with the mistake.
You snippet supports Limbaugh's version like the seven (or was it eight) anonymous black victimsDelete
support Wilson's version.
Your links take me to google. I think you really are that incompetent, but are you really that credulous?Delete
sorry, deadrat. Here's the correct link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtUlEfuM-xUDelete
I don't find that snippet necessarily convincing of Limbaugh's innocence. However, I repeat the point above. The Limbaugh example doesn't refute the idea that Costello behaved improperly. Unless, you consider Rush Limbaugh to be a epitome of proper on air behavior.
You brought up Limbaugh, tut-tutting about a hypothetical Limbaugh piece about daughters of politicians. I'm just pointing out that there's no need to resort to the hypothetical.Delete
Costello indulged in a bit of schadenfreude at the expense of the first family of American grifters, the soi-disant keepers of our family values, indulging in a drunken brawl and then claiming to be victims. If you're not counting Bristol's undeserved pride, the only thing hurt was the face of the guy she punched. People enjoy watching Cops too.
"I don't find that snippet necessarily convincing of Limbaugh's innocence."Delete
Deadrat, children of politicians are non-combatants. It isn't your place to decide whether she was hurt or not. You make us all look bad when you decide it is open season on all Palins because you thought her mom was an underqualified candidate.Delete
I agree that politicians' children who are not involved in their parents' political campaigns are out of bounds for campaign attacks.Delete
Sarah Palin isn't a politician and hasn't really been since she decided to quit her office. She's a TV personality, and so is her daughter. It's always been open season on media whores.
And, yeah, I can decide for myself whether she was hurt. I've seen the pictures she's posted of her supposed injuries. This isn't an issue of politics. Some well-known members of America's First Family of Grifters got caught in a drunken brawl, and they got the standard media attention given to all celebs who make fools of themselves in public.
And when you respond as you and Costello have done, you hurt the liberal cause. So have your fun but realize that it comes at a cost. You can deny that this is true, but it is true for me -- your behavior offends me -- and I doubt that I am the only one.Delete
Except Limberger is an entertainer while Costello is a CNN news anchor. Martin Bashir was fired from MSNBC for his Palin potshots and he was only a pundit. Why not replace her with Elvis Costello? That way you still get to keep the glasses but you get someone who sounds intelligent with an English accent.Delete
your behavior offends meDelete
If you're serious, may I suggest you get over yourself? Am I really supposed to believe that "the liberal cause" and an anonymous concern troll on a blog commentary are one and the same?
deadrat wrote: ...they got the standard media attention given to all celebs who make fools of themselves in public.Delete
I'd say Costello went well beyond standard atention. Recall what she said: "I’m just going to come right out and say it. This is quite possibly the best minute and a half of audio we’ve ever come across...Sit back and enjoy.”
I just talked to Mel Gibson. He thinks you're an idiot. He also suspects that you're Jewish.Delete
Libs Penelope and Javier have stolen the antisemitism crown from Mel.Delete
"Penelope Cruz and Javier Bardem face 'fury' of Hollywood following 'genocide' letter condemning Israel "
Is your inability to follow the point just trouble with reading comprehension? Or is it a sign of a larger cognitive problem? You might want to get that checked out.Delete
Your posts are soporific so excuse me for not appreciating the import of your message. What was your message again other than Mel Gibson made antisemitic comments when he was pulled over for a DUI?Delete
Carol Costello Has Runied The World!ReplyDelete
When the laughter stops, will Bob claim the sound he doesn't hear is a guild conspiracy of silence?
How sad this has been to watch over the years.
Krugman is actually wrong about the first point. Most of the misinformation is NOT about how "tax cuts for the rich are good for the economy". Republican politicians and their defenders almost never, never, never admit that the tax cuts are "for the rich".ReplyDelete
Their tax cuts are for the people, and those nasty Democrats vote against tax cuts and for tax increases. Oh, the spin is everywhere. Did you know the accursed payroll tax cut was a tax cut for the "middle class"? Did you know that the AMT needs to be patched permanently because it is impacting the middle class?
Just never mind that the richest 20% get 92% of the benefits from the AMT patch, according to CTJ. Never mind that 46% of the benefits of the payroll tax cut went to the richest 20%.
Of course, thanks to the idiots from OWS, now much of the top 20% is officially part of the middle class, they are in the 99%.
But I know that boring discussions of taxes are far less important than knowing all the details of the thrilla in Wasilla.
Krugman is apparently unaware that the RWNM is not selling the public on "tax cuts for the rich" it is selling the public on "tax cuts".
Then again, Krugman does the same thing, using his pulpit to claim that Obama's tax cuts for the rich are really tax cuts for the middle class and tax increases on the rich.
SUPPLEMENZAL: Josh Marshall Keeps Ruining Bob's World!ReplyDelete
The point is not whether Bristol or Sarah Palin deserve their treatment. The point is that many viewers will be repelled by the tone of the coverage of the Palins by what is perceived to be liberal media and that will hurt the Democrats.ReplyDelete
I was repelled by Costello's performance and I am a Democrat and no fan of any Palin. I am also repelled by the comments here and I don't particularly care whether they come from trolls or from progressives at this point. No matter what happened, the tone of this coverage is wrong.
Many people have been repelled by the Palins. I am not repelled by your comment. I am embarrassed for you.Delete
Those who "perceive" something as "the liberal media"
are never going to be helpful to Democrats. Nor middle class democracy.
Just because you dislike someone is no excuse to lose your sense of empathy and deny the humanity of others. It is hard for me to believe you can be liberal or progressive without this understanding. Your attitude is very consistent with the dark triad personality traits of trolls however.Delete
Deny the humanity of others? You mean, for example, when Bob Somerby refers to someone as a "prehuman droog"?Delete
No, I mean when you think it is Ok to laugh at another person's pain because they don't share your political beliefs or lifestyle.Delete
Excuse me if I reserve my empathy for others besides those who crash keg parties in stretch Hummers, get involved in a drunken brawl, then claim they were the victims of a vast media conspiracy to humiliate them.Delete
Snooty people look down on those in stretch Hummers. Many men long for one.Delete
It may be difficult to believe, but Costello is actually a CNN News Anchor. That she felt comfortable reporting the story the same way ultra lib Sarah Silverman would use it in a stand-up routine is not surprising. When has Costello kept her liberal political bias from infecting her reporting of news? The question for sane folks would be why isn't this women employed by CNN as a 2nd rate pundit instead of as a 4th rate news anchor?Delete
It is as had to believe as the fact that in a half dozen years two dozen people have viewed your profile, Cicero.Delete
How do you feel being one of them?Delete
Any time the media mentions Sarah Palin, and doesn't use the term "grifter" to describe her, it's a dereliction of their duty.ReplyDelete
Good to see the libs war against women is in full bloom.Delete
Not women. Grifters of either sex.Delete
Good. Now you can accurately use the term on Obama who conned people into believing the following:Delete
"If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan." BHO
Except, of course, when the morons who had the cheap, no-pay health plans complained that they were being forced to buy insurance that actually covered them, Obama went ahead and let them keep their plans.Delete
See the difference?
deadrat, cicero: http://www.trivago.com/Delete
Have no idea what you mean by "no pay health plans." Are they the ones that do not cover all 28 types of female contraception?
But there was this story about Obamacare back in November, 2013
"White House to Allow Insurers to Continue Canceled Health Plans"
"WASHINGTON—President Barack Obama, in a retreat aimed at quelling the latest protest over his health-care law, on Thursday said insurers can extend by one year those policies they had canceled for failing to meet the law's requirements"
You win cicero.Delete
Obama will resign tomorrow cicero, but then, according to Somerby rules, Al Gore will get to serve the remainder of his term because the real mistake goes back to 1999. March to be exact. If you fail to understand, use the archives at the top of the page.
The only thing missing from Costello's clownish routine is Bud Abbot. How would any viewer be confused as to this women's lefty political ideology? Here she is claiming that FLOTUS Michele Obama has legislative powers and demanding Democrats bring the assault weapons ban up for a vote.ReplyDelete
"Liberal CNN Anchor Thinks Michelle Obama Can Sign Bills Into Law"
"Carol Costello Asks If Democrats Are 'Weenies' for Not Passing Assault Weapons Ban"
CNN's Carol Costello Aghast at Rush Limbaugh's Kids Book: 'I'm A Little Sick Now"
Like you and Bob, Cicero, I am one angry, furious liberal.Delete
Then I read this:
Name one? Were any POTUS? Or FLOTUS? We know Michele was not enamored of her country until her hubby occupied the Oval Office.ReplyDelete
"For the first time in my adult lifetime, I’m really proud of my country, and not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change."
Here ya go:ReplyDelete
How about that conservative hero, Cliven Bundy. He doesn't even think the USA exists.
As FLOTUS, you can love your country and still not be proud of the actions committed in its name.
You had all this time to pony up an actual person and the erstwhile Bundy is your example? Bundy isn't a conservative hero, leader, or even favorably mentioned by conservative icons such as Charles Krauthammer who rejects the man's distorted notion of conservatism.ReplyDelete
Where did Michele mention the word love and USA together? BTW: What are these actions made in the name of the USA during her lifetime she considers reprehensible?
CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: "First of all it isn't enough to say I don't agree with what Bundy said. This is a despicable statement. It's not the statement, you have to disassociate yourself entirely from the man. It's not like the words exist here and the man exists here. ....."And to say you don't and you don't recognize it and that makes you a conservative hero, to me, is completely contradictory, and rather appalling. And he has now proved it. "
All this time? You think I had to spend time to come up with Cliven Bundy, the USA-hater and favorite of Sean Hannity? Until of course, ol' Clive turned out to hate black people and had the temerity to say so.ReplyDelete
These people are legion.
You said Michelle Obama hated Amierica. (OK, "wasn't enamored of.") Your claim; your burden. What she actually said that she wasn't proud of her country. You want something reprehensible? Pick any action of the WPE during his eight years in office. Start with torturing prisoners of war and deny habeas rights to an American citizen.
If they are so "legion" why are you flummoxed when it comes to naming them? Why didn't you name Bundy in your initial post? That was a desperate choice. The guy is a marginal figure and not even in politics.ReplyDelete
Michelle already met the burden with her quote I posted above . Now do you have any conservative POTUS of FLOTUS who have made any similar comments about the USA?
Obama still has GITMO open. He is also employing the Patriot Act. In fact, he went above and beyond eavesdropping when he bugged our ally German Chancellor Merkel's phone.
You acknowledge that Hannity repudiated Bundy which undermines your nonsensical argument.
What does WPE mean?
I hope if Dems lose the Senate Obama blames Carol Costello.ReplyDelete
Maybe if he does Ben or Jerry will fund "How He Got There." Perhaps both.Delete
Obama has already set up the harpy Debbie Wasserman Shultz for the fall.ReplyDelete
Hey, Sparky! Keep calling women you disagree with harpies. All women love to hear that. Really.Delete
How about "drunk grifters"? You like that appellation for women. Let's call DWS and Costello drunken grifters. That way the libs like yourself won't get offended.Delete
When I call the Palin family drunk grifters, it's because they're drunk grifters. If they changed their political views and not their behavior, they'd still be drunk grifters.Delete
You, on the other hand, have called a woman an ugly monster because you don't like her politics.
See the difference?
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Except DWS is an ugly monster. Blame nature, not meDelete
Your "drunk grifters" moniker for Palins is your own personal opinion. Perhaps you could pony up an arrest record and conviction of SP where the charge was grifting while publicly intoxicated..
Worst President Ever = GW BushReplyDelete
Are you confusing me with other commenters? I'm not flummoxed and I did name Bundy in my initial reply to you. Yeah, Bundy is a marginal figure once it became clear he couldn't figure out how to use code words for his racism, but before that he was beloved of "conservative" figures. Hannity didn't repudiate Bundy on political grounds.ReplyDelete
Obama has Gitmo open because Congress forbade the use of funds to close it. So what?
I'm against the misuse of the Patriot Act and the NSA, even if Obama is for it. So what?
Bob's mechanical screener is working. Isn't it nice to have a human who can retype illegible letters before launching a comment than those nasty spellcasters? Cicero is a fine addition, and new meat for deadrat.ReplyDelete
Like Bob, I'm as mad as hell. And I'm going to be veryDelete
Only liberals could make an excuse that "lack of money" is the reason not closing a government detention center.ReplyDelete
So what? You voted for Obama twice, yes?
It's not lack of funds, Sparky. It's that Congress made it illegal to spend money on closing Gitmo. Do I need to type slower so you can follow: The. Law. Prohibits. Spending. Money. To. Close. Gitmo.ReplyDelete
So what? You voted for losers twice, yes?
Then you are a pusillanimous hypocrite You voted for the guy who does the same things your WPE did as POTUS.ReplyDelete
BTW: Obama does not agree that lack of funds is stopping him from closing GITMO and he couldn't care less about "The Law" you say is in his way. Where have you been?
"The White House is drafting options that would allow President Barack Obama to close the detention facility in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, by overriding a congressional ban on bringing detainees to the U.S., senior administration officials said.
Such a move would be the latest and potentially most dramatic use of executive power by the president in his second term. It would likely provoke a sharp reaction from lawmakers, who have repeatedly barred the transfer of detainees to the U.S.
Harvard grad who has made a life mission out of a nitpicking defense of Al Gore? Since we are mostly not naming names, all the people really relevant to this post would find such a PERSON quite the "snooty elitist." Whatever, this is The Daily Howler in blowing off steam mode, but it's interesting steam. Like Russart and Matthews, it's important to Bob that we see him as one of us.ReplyDelete
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