Part 2—Gods call discussion a fail: According to several Olympian gods to whom we've granted anonymity because they haven't been authorized to discuss our unraveling veil of tears, the most revealing event in "human" history occurred on an NPR radio program last Wednesday morning, August 30, 2017, in the heart of New York City.
The gods referred to The Brian Lehrer Show, a daily program on Gotham's WNYC. The program is branded as high end. That's where the comedy starts.
Our interest in last Wednesday's radio show began in the New York Times of Thursday, August 31. On the famous newspaper's recently reimagined page A3, an anonymous journalist cited the program in the Spotlight feature, which can't be seen on-line.
The conversation on Lehrer's program had caught page A3's eye. Here's how the feature started:
SpotlightThe day before, Appiah had chatted with Lehrer for some 21 minutes. In this Spotlight feature, the Times provided a version of their conversation which was edited and condensed.
ADDITIONAL REPORTAGE AND REPARTEE FROM OUR JOURNALISTS
On Wednesday, Kwame Anthony Appiah, a professor of philosophy and law at N.Y.U., who writes the Ethicist column for The Times Magazine, appeared on WNYC's "The Brian Lehrer Show" to discuss ethical quandaries and his new book, "As If: Idealization and Ideals." An edited and consensed version of their conversation follows; to hear the entire segment, visit wnyc.org/bl.
Somewhat implausibly, several Olympian gods have now told us that this radio chat was the most revealing event in "human" history. With their smirks and the rolls of their eyes, they inserted scare quotes in that description exactly where we've placed them.
How could a fairly brief radio chat possibly be so revealing? Before we share the gods' perspective, let's get clear on who the participants were that day.
First, the philosopher. As the Spotlight synopsis reveals, Appiah isn't just any philosopher. He's the official "house philosopher" of the New York Times, our most foppish American newspaper.
As such, he's also regarded by the Times as a journalist. This legitimates his presence in the Spotlight feature, which presents "reportage and repartee" from this newspaper's journos.
Appiah isn't just any philosopher; he's the official house philosopher of the New York Times. He spoke last Wednesday with Lehrer, who isn't just any NPR star, he'd an NPR star in New York.
As such, rules of branding established their chat as the brainiest discussion possible within our journalistic firmament. That's why the gods smirked, and rolled their eyes, as they discussed what occurred.
We asked the gods about this program because, when we listened to it on line, we found it so—well, what's the word?
Our youthful analysts had lowered their heads as they listened to Lehrer's exchange with Appiah. We tried to tell them that the chat came straight from the heart of our full-blown fail, and was therefore extremely significant. But nothing we said could excite their interest, and the gods seemed openly derisive when they discussed this chat.
Is Appiah a competent philosopher? Is he a philosopher at all, in any meaningful sense?
Is Lehrer a competent journalist? Would a competent journalist engage in a discussion of the type he staged with Appiah that day?
We ask these questions for an obvious reason. Over the past perhaps thirty years, our American public discourse entered a long slow downward spiral, a downward spiral which has produced our current absolute fail.
That absolute fail is embodied in the rule of Donald J. Trump. His strange behavior was evaluated by the philosopher in the following manner, starting in minute 6 of that NPR program:
APPIAH (8/30/17): It's true that almost everything the current president says is strictly speaking false. But a lot of it is false in the mode of hyperbole, and I don't think we should object to those ones, we shouldn't object to the ones where he's overstating the case. People overstate the case all the time!We should expect him to overstate! He copped to this in his stupid old book. Why should we be surprised?
LEHRER: Didn't he use a phrase like that in his book, The Art of the Deal? Your phrase [in the book As If] is "strategic untruth," that so many people employ as a method of dealing with reality. And I think he said "strategic hyperbole," or something like that?
APPIAH: Yes, he did, yes. So that's overstatement. So we should expect him to overstate...
A defender of the faith could say that we're quoting Appiah selectively. In tomorrow's report, we'll examine his statements in more detail. But we think a person could fairly say that Appiah seemed to be saying that we shouldn't be all that concerned if "almost everything [Donald J. Trump] says is strictly speaking false."
We should expect him to overstate! He said he would in his book!
What, us worry? So the philosopher seemed to say last Wednesday, with no push-back from the journalist, who seemed to think he might be engaged in some sort of deep discussion.
The philosopher's take on Donald J. Trump may seem a bit odd on its face. But that exchange seems like Einstein's next breakthrough as compared to the philosopher's later remarks, which had the analysts glumly staring into middle distance.
Sad! In our view, the philosopher seemed to be auditioning for a sequel to Being There; the NPR journalist showed no sign of noticing this state of affairs. Tomorrow, we'll look at what the philosopher eventually said, and we'll discuss the mirth of the gods.
Our society's long, ridiculous downward spiral has now produced a total fail. Our "philosophers" and our "journalists" stared into space for thirty years as this fail developed.
The gods smirked as they discussed Wednesday's radio chat, but we thought they also seemed perhaps a bit chagrined. We almost thought the gods believed that a wonderful joke—a source of amusement on Olympus for several millennia—had at long last gone too far, had yielded a tragic result.
Last Wednesday morning, a court philosopher chatted with a name-brand journalist. According to several gods, their discussion can be described as a snapshot from the fail.
We think the gods were strongly on point. Your lizard will tell you we're wrong.
Tomorrow: Human, oh so less than human!
Coming next: Memoirs from the fail
In love: it's "vale of tears" bossReplyDelete
It's a clever pun. A vale, i.e. a valley, can't unravel, but a veil can.Delete
Hmm. Almost seems that *any* possible erroneous use of this phrase could be generously credited as "a clever pun"...Delete
So even though Mr. Somerby is typically far more likely to telegraph his witticisms, we'll be generous and assume cleverness rather than common error.
Wow, Nona Nym! I hope all that dramatic generosity doesn't do you some permanent harm.Delete
And this claim intrigues me:
"Hmm. Almost seems that *any* possible erroneous use of this phrase could be generously credited as 'a clever pun'..."
Right off hand, I can think of no other possible "erroneous" uses of the phrase. Please enlighten us all, so we can face the future better prepared to follow your lead by pouncing on even the smallest of perceived faults, wherever we may "find" them.
"The philosopher's take on Donald J. Trump may seem a bit odd on its face."ReplyDelete
Hmm, seems fine to me. As for Bob's own extremely odd idea that Mr Trump's style of communications indicates that he must be insane, here's what another philosopher said (from memory):
'Those who dance appear insane to those who can't hear the music.' So, there.
Those who live under an oligarchy, and laugh as they watch a free country descend to oligarchy, appear insane.Delete
Here, dear Bob, read and learn how to analyze and criticise goebbelsian establishment media:ReplyDelete
Wonder if Fox News ever engages in Goebbelsian behavior? Nah, guess they're off the hook..they aren't "establishment" media..or at least, so they themselves conveniently say.Delete
Glad to see that Bob states clearly that Trump is an epic fail.ReplyDelete
But… journalists (or philosopher/journalists) shouldn't call Trump a liar (even if he is) (this from several recent TDH posts), and they shouldn't say that they "expect" him to overstate/make false statements, even though that seems to be obviously true, (based on Trump's "stupid old book"), but they most definitely must discuss Trump’s possibly diseased mental state (again, something Somerby has said recently).
This all seems a bit confused to me. “Journalists” should stick to facts, agreed. Opinion writers (as well as philosophers) ought to be allowed to make a case for Trump’s lying and/or mental state. Although judging someone’s mental state is a slippery slope, and seems much less easy to determine than whether someone is lying.
I’m not defending the professor or the NPR person. The discussion, at least as Bob presents it, seems vapid. But I can’t make out Bob’s ultimate criticism, since he makes some odd assertions himself.
Guess we'll wait for the next post.
Circulation numbers of some major American newspapers, best I could get:ReplyDelete
USA Today - 2,301,917
The New York Times - 2,101,611
The Wall Street Journal - 1,337,376
Los Angeles Times - 467,309
New York Post - 424,721
Chicago Tribune - 384,962
The Washington Post - 356,768
Newsday - 321,296
Daily News - 299,538
National Enquirer 342,071 (should get the Nobel Prize, according to Trump, so I included it)
Is the New York Times "our most foppish newspaper?"
Does Somerby peruse the other publications on this list to judge their "foppishness" quotient and compare it to that of the Times?
What makes the NY Times "foppish?" Is it because they have a style section?
Darlings...have we ever encountered a newspaper before?
Is it elitist to assume NY Times is most foppish?
In 1898, with Joseph Pulitzer at the helm, the circulation of the daily New York World was roughly 1,500,000.Delete
Sorry about the factoid, Bob.
Sometimes you have to take tough decision for the country and he has been doing so. Travel ban on muslim countries is really a tough decision which can make him look like a villain but that is done for the safety of Americans. People who hate him must be some kind of jerk. Find more discussion about this topic at http://questionsignal.com.ReplyDelete
Contact: Unityspelltemple@gmail.com for Urgent Love Spell To Get Your Ex Lover Back Fast, VERY POWERFUL:100% GUARANTEED RESULTS!ReplyDelete
My Wife left me in February and wasn't coming back. No need for anonymity, I am a firm believer in your spell and it saved my marriage. I'm so excited share this testimony about how i got my wife back(Michelle)after she left me and our 2 kids for another Man. I am (Stephen Moore from United States). After 8 years of marriage, me and my wife(Michelle) has been into one quarrel or the other until she finally left me and moved to California to be with another man. I felt my life was over and my kids thought they would never see their mother again. i tried to be strong just for the kids but i could not control the pains that torments my heart, my heart was filled with sorrows and pains because i was really in love with my wife-Michelle). Every day and night i think of her and always wish she would come back to me, I was really upset and i needed help, so i searched for help online and I came across a website that suggested that Dr Unity can help get ex back fast. So, I felt I should give him a try. I contacted him and he told me what to do and i did it, Then he did a (Love spell) for me. 28 hours later, my Wife really called me and told me that she miss me and the kids so much, So Amazing!! So that was how she came back that same day,with lots of love and joy, and she apologized for her mistake,and for the pain she caused me and the kids. Then from that day,our Marriage was now stronger than how it were before,
Thanks to Dr.Unity for bringing back my wife and brought great joy to me and my family today!. he is so powerful and i decided to share my story on the internet, if you are here and you need your Ex back or your wife moved to another man, do not cry anymore, contact this powerful spell caster now. Here’s his contact: Email him at: Unityspelltemple@gmail.com , you can also call him or add him on Whats-app: +2348071622464 .
Somerby sets an appropriately high bar when it is a philosopher who speaks, so I am looking forward to his next post about Appiah. I listened to the NPR interview and waited in vain for a distinction between "idealization" and simple "abstraction." All speech necessarily abstracts any matter under discussion. Idealization seems to deal with taking a position on how things ought to be (not how a more or less abstract description fares as true or false). In this connection, I would agree with Somerby that Appiah's remarks, to the effect that Trump's "hyperbole" should not be troubling, are themselves troubling in the extreme. Cambridge and Oxford philosophers are notorious for proving their cleverness, and getting bogged down in irrelevance, by drawing hyper-fine distinctions that no one ever thought of before. Trump's "expected overstatement" seems like a case in point.ReplyDelete
How To Get Back With Your Ex, Get A Fast Love Spell, A Real Spell Caster To Be Trusted And To Help You Is Dr happy The Man God Has Sent To Help Us Hi, my bf broke up last week , and I regret it cuz I’ve wasted all his love , we work on a same company together , and he’s ignoring me , I didn’t do anything after out break up , damn I hate my pride , and now I regret all the days I’ve wasted , I’m still texting him everyday , like once/day , like goodmorning.. take care.. or did u take ur lunch , later on I receive a message from him saying that please stop texting me , don’t pretend u care cuz I really don’t care, get ur own life , and I said I’m not pretending and this is how I really feel and I said I’m sorry , and he says stop it , it’s over ,what else should i do i really love this guy and i want to get back with him i have try every thing i could but it did not work out am heart broken and stress out coz this guy mean a lot to me. i pray and cry all day that he will fine a place in his heart to forgive me and come back to me. so i decided to look for help to see if i can get my bf back i try all means to the stage of applying for a love spell from different spell casters but no one could work out after sending money to them they keep telling me different stories, i was totally down about to give up coz i have spend so many money on him trying to see if i can get him back so i read and come across a site http://happylovespell2.webs.com/ with a wonderful testimony of a real spell caster call Dr happy i never believe coz i have try so many spell casters i said to my self let me give to the last try i email Dr happy urgently on email@example.com explain my problem to him do what he ask of me even when i have to borrow up some money he ask i did and he give me reassurance that with 27 hours after the spell, my bf who left will come back for me , i still never believe i was doubting his judgement not knowing that he is the real man who god has sent to restored and bring back my bf. so as he promise, after the spell my bf reply back to my test messages, call me, and apology to me so the following day my bf come back home to me and since them we are living happily plz i will advise any one to contact Dr happy for a love spell to get ex back and save broken marriage, restored relationship problem so email him now at firstname.lastname@example.org also call and add him up on whats-app +2348133873774ReplyDelete