Wings of communal desire: In his new column, Nicholas Kristof listed some dogs which didn't bark when Michael Cohen testified before the House committee:
KRISTOF (2/28/19): Cohen said that he had no knowledge of any sex video obtained by Russia as leverage over Trump, and added that he didn’t have proof of collusion with Russia, only “suspicions.” But he described a kind of kompromat: “Mr. Trump knew of and directed the Trump Moscow negotiations throughout the campaign and lied about it” and then “made clear to me” that “he wanted me to lie” to Congress.Will future historians analyze that? Future Anthropologists Huddled in Caves (TM) emitted a raft of disconsolate chuckles when we posed that question during one of the nocturnal visitations the haters compare to dreams.
Cohen shot down some of the rumors going around. He said he has no knowledge of Trump having a love child or paying for an abortion, and Trump would "never" physically harm Melania. But the sum total of his testimony was devastating; decades from now, historians will continue to analyze it.
That said, we couldn't help noticing one big fish which wriggled away from Kristof. Let us quote from Michael the Savior's sermon from the table:
REP. NORMAN (2/27/19): OK, last question. I'm running out of time.Presumably, that's the end of that. Presumably, future historians will discuss the way the Steele dossier, a sacred text, was wrong on that once-cherished point.
Have you ever been to Prague?
COHEN: I've never been to Prague.
NORMAN: Never have?
COHEN: I've never been to the Czech Republic.
NORMAN: I yield my balance of my time.
REP. CUMMINGS: Ms. Speier.
REP. SPEIER: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you, Mr. Cohen...
They'll also record the way our team ran with that (apparently) bungled claim from the dossier. For today, our liberal tribe is rushing past this apparent revelation—an apparent revelation of error in one of our most sacred texts.
"We'll always have Prague!" For several years, our tribe has savored that claim.
This is how tribal logic works! As animals—even worse, as great apes!—we simply aren't mega-rational. We prefer to clamp our communal jaws on a tale and mouth it in one mighty voice.
"But the sum total of his testimony was devastating"
ReplyDeleteMeh. I strongly suspect the hate-fest will backfire.
Hours long two-minute-hate rituals a-la 1984 is not what politicians are elected to do. They are elected to do what Donald The Magnificent does: improve citizens' lives, and do exactly what they promised during the campaign.
"do exactly what they promised during the campaign."
DeleteHa ha ha ha.
Released tax returns. Ha ha ha ha.
Wall built on the southern border. Ha ha ha ha.
Paid for by Mexico. Ha ha ha ha.
You're a fucking moron. Ha ha ha ha ha.
Making believe trump is anything more than a standard-issue Republican grifter. Ha ha ha ha ha.
Have you thought of trying to troll harder. Ha ha ha ha.
Someone else's tax returns improve your dembot life, dembot? You need to get out more.
DeleteDonald The Very Stable Genius may be all your dembot managers order you to call him, dembot - or worse - and yet he is a million times better than the alternative: to be ruled by zombies.
Dialectics, you see...
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DeleteI do not understand what Somerby thinks is the narrative in these quoted passages or what he thinks was proved by anything said.
ReplyDeleteCohen didn't comment on large areas that are still under investigation and prosecution by the SDNY, at their request. He said he had no knowledge of several things, but that doesn't make anyone wrong about them, nor does it mean those things didn't happen. It just means Cohen didn't know anything about them. It makes sense that he wouldn't know intimate details of Trump's marriage with Melania, or what happened in that Moscow hotel room (assuming he was not present). Further, his denial of a visit to Prague to meet with Russians about payment of the hackers doesn't mean anything about whether that meeting took place. Perhaps he went, perhaps he didn't, and perhaps the investigation is still working on that part of things and didn't want him to comment.
So, why is Kristoff wrong (or following narrative) when he says Cohen's testimony is important to history? Trump is still in big trouble, whether Cohen could corroborate all of the Steele document or not. Cohen's lack of knowledge doesn't discredit Steele at all. Nor does it prove Kristoff is manufacturing any chase out of thin air. There was plenty left to make Trump squirm.
But why is Somerby once again implying (by his references to narrative script) that Trump is somehow innocent or that the Steele document is wrong (and thereby that Trump is being framed) or that liberals are pursuing Trump because of blood lust and not because he is a wrongdoer on a grand scale? Why is Somerby carrying water for the Trump True Believers when he is supposedly a liberal writing for liberals on a liberal blog?
It is almost as if Somerby is modeling the defense of Trump that he thinks should have been used by the Republicans on the Committee, but wasn't, since they didn't defend Trump's innocence at all -- they mainly called Cohen a liar.
Somerby today says that Cohen must be telling the truth and if he says he wasn't in Prague, then Steele is bunk and Kristoff is chasing narrative to "get" Trump, who is a victim and pure as snow. Yuck! I keep wondering how Somerby can defend Trump, but then, he found a way to defend Roy Moore too.
Somerby is not liberal. He is very wrong about how history will regard Trump and those who are trying to bring him to justice and protect our democratic system. Narrative is not to blame -- Trump is a con artist, a crook, a self-serving tool of Russian invasion who has harmed all of us and needs to be (1) removed from office ASAP, (2) punished for his crimes, (3) used to repair the holes in our system to prevent further foreign invasions of our democratic process. If Somerby were any kind of citizen, he would care about this, and less about whether Gore was fairly treated by some newspaper columnists. But he is too busy frothing at the mouth because Stormy dared to sue this monster.
If Somerby had an ounce of self-awareness, he wouldn't be writing this crap. Or maybe he just wants the money he gets paid for it, tainted by its passage through Russian hands.
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Delete551 words, Anonymous @4:17P, and you had me at the first four.
DeleteTens of thousands of words from Somerby about “Harari vs Aristotle” and still it’s all bull crap.
DeleteSo, TDH's bullshit excuses yours? Tell me how that works.
DeleteIf Kristof had simply argued that Trump is “mentally ill”, as Somerby has demanded, would Somerby’s analysts be cheering today?
ReplyDeleteOf course, Cohen’s testimony paints a very unflattering portrait of Trump, including a fair description of a personality disorder.
And lies and criminal behavior. Over a long period of time. Which came as a surprise to no one. And there was documentation. Some of it pertaining to hush money payments...for which Cohen and Trump should be awarded the nation’s highest honors, Somerby has said. Oops. Sorry, libs. (And that was the major “get” from the hearing, we were told in the previous post.)
But, Cohen didn’t go to Prague. Oops. Sorry, libs. Guess the whole case is crumbling.
It isn’t clear whether Somerby understands the relative unimportance of the Steele dossier to Mueller’s investigation, or if he is just using it to troll the media/libs, (which Somerby increasingly views as interchangeable), but his willingness to ignore the criminality and problematical behavior that was extensively detailed yesterday is...fascinating.
It’s also quaint that he thinks “the media” or “the libs” were desperately clinging to the Prague story as the crux of the argument, or that he thinks the media never cautioned about the unproven nature of the Steele dossier, because that caveat was almost universally mentioned when discussing it.
Nice narrative you’ve got there, Somerby.
Somerby you should note that the NY Times, among other news orgs, apparently were in possession of the Steele Dossier but did not publish it or information therein because they could not independently corroborate its claims. BuzzFeed first published it. You also have a cherished narrative. Not to be too meta, but your cherished narrative is that the liberal tribe has a cherished narrative that they won't depart from and you spend a lot of time documenting it... good point... how about you? What is your narrative? What countervailing facts do you ignore?
ReplyDeleteKristof says the Trump Administration is "beginning to teeter". @4:17 agrees, saying Trump is "in big trouble." Are they right? Time will tell, but I don't think Trump is in big trouble. The truly serious accusation is illegal collusion with Russia. If that's not proved, then Trump is not in trouble IMHO. Sure, Cohen, and lots of other people, will say he's an awful person, and they may be right, but that is not going to sink him. Most people are selfish. If Trump does a good job for most Americans, they will ignore his many personal defects and vote for him. At the moment, the odds-makers say Donald Trump has greatest chance at reelection in 2020. https://fox8.com/2019/02/27/oddsmakers-donald-trump-has-greatest-chance-at-reelection-in-2020/
ReplyDeletePerhaps you missed the parts of the testimony that dealt with criminal conduct on the part of Trump. That goes beyond just being an “awful person”, don’t you think?
DeleteYes, @6:15, criminal conduct goes beyond being an awful person, provided that:
Delete1. The crime is a serious one, not a misdemeanor like failing to report a campaign expense
2. The crime is proved, not just alleged.
Many will be proven. Campaign finance violations of the kind Trump is now pretty much proven guilty, are felonies, not misdemeanors.
DeleteAnd if he is proven guilty of the other serious crimes, will you call for his impeachment?
(I recall the constitution says something about high crimes and *misdemeanors* in the text about impeachment.)
David will only call for Trump's impeachment, if Trump calls for reparations for slavery.
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Good question, @6:55. Can you list the specific crimes that you think Trump is guilty of?
ReplyDeleteThanks
Tax fraud. Insurance fraud. Suborning of perjury. Campaign finance violations. Conspiracy against the United States. Sexual misconduct. Violation of the emoluments clause. Take your pick. His guilt with the campaign finance violations is pretty much indisputable. These are not my list; this is what Cohen alleged. My question to you is simply, if he were to be “found guilty” of any of these things, would you support his impeachment? And remember, impeachment occurs in the House, not in the courtroom.
DeleteOK, @7:31, let me take these one at a time:
Delete1. Emoluments clause - that's pretty much baloney. It has never been applied to a President who owns a business.
2. Campaign finance - I presume you're talking about the payoff to Stormy Daniels. This is bogus. Her threat affected him both personally and politically. He treated the payoff as a personal expense, which was plausible. If he had used campaign funds to pay her, his enemies would have claimed that he was misusing campaign funds for a personal expense. BTW failure to report a campaign expenditure or a campaign donation is hardly a serious crime. It happens all the time to candidates.
3. Tax fraud is a serious felony. Taking a certain view of the tax law which the IRS rejects is not fraud and is not a crime. Providing false data IS a crime. Since Trump's tax work was done be professional accounting firms, I tend to doubt that they committed tax fraud. But, if Trump did so, that might be grounds for impeachment. However, there's one other point to consider: Should impeachment be based on crimes committed as a President, or, at least, as a candidate?
4. Sexual misconduct. Strictly speaking, adultery is a crime, but it isn't ever treated as such today.
5. Conspiracy against the US. Yes, if Trump illegally colluded with Russia, he should be impeached. So far, I've seen no evidence that this is the case, but if Mueller present convincing evidence, then I think Trump should be impeached.
There’s also obstruction of justice and false statements to the special counsel.
DeleteI would personally have him impeached for saying he believes Putin and trashing our intelligence services, and for saying that Kim Jong Un wasn’t responsible for Otto Warmbier’s death, declaring fake emergencies, mocking McCain, being a giant dickhead mentally ill turd, but that’s just me.
We just have to remember how low the Republicans set the bar for impeachment with Clinton, and act accordingly.
7:34.
DeleteEvidently you're not familiar with our resident troll, the morally bankrupt treasonous bastard, Comrade DinC.
Committing tax fraud or insurance fraud would only enhance our little Nazi's opinion of Donald J Chickenshit, Acting President.
You will notice Comrade DinC stayed away from the clear evidence of obstruction of justice and suborning of perjury.
Morally bankrupt is here for one purpose and that is to signal to Donald J Chickenshit, Acting President, that his support and loyalty to the resident criminal in the WH will remain steadfast and unconditional. There are literally no lines he can cross which will bother Comrade DinC. Unless you can produce a video of Donald J Chickenshit talking to Putin and thanking him for colluding with his campaign, Comrade DinC will insist there is no evidence. Keep in mind Comrade DinC supported the impeachment of President Clinton for lying about a blowjob in a civil deposition over a matter that was brought to the courts by shadowy rightwing billionaires upset that the Reagan revolution was terminated by a bright Rhodes Scholar from a poor background who happened to be a Democrat and raised their taxes slightly.
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""I would personally have him impeached..."
DeleteOh dear. Thanks for the laugh, dembot. Comment threads here don't disappoint...
11;21,
DeleteAs funny as (standard-issue Reagan Republican) Trump's EPA allowing poisons in the drinking water of the common man, so that the Establishment Elites can make another buck?
Maybe Putin's not as bad as they say he is. After all, he permitted Mao to laugh.
DeleteCall Madam Pelosi immediately, dembot, and inform her of your concerns.
DeleteFuck that, Boris. I want my goddam uranium back. When is Donald J Chickenshit, Acting President, going to get around to dealing with that? Looks like he's too busy sucking off Putin and Kim Jong-un on the world stage.
Deletemm - Cohen testified that Trump did NOT tell him to lie under oath. Michael Cohen said in testimony to Congress on Wednesday that President Donald Trump never directly ordered him to lie, but instead made his wishes clear by speaking in “code” understood by anyone who works with him. Cohen's alleged understanding of some "code" does not constitute subornation of perjury.
DeleteAnyhow, a convicted perjurer's testimony has little value in court. In your mind Trump is a big liar. But, in the real world, Cohen is a convicted perjurer and Trump is not.
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DeleteIn the real world, you dumb fuck fascist lover, Donald J Chickenshit, Acting President, is too much of a goddam fucking coward to answer Mueller's questions "under oath", as he repeatedly promised. He need an open book take home exam. I wonder why.
DeleteYou actually want to put the word of Cohen up against the word of Donald J Chickenshit, the fucking guy who lies an average of 10 - 15 times every fucking day since the day he took office? Go ahead, Clarence Darrow.
By the way, jackass, Cohen testified also to DJT committing perjury. Maybe you missed that part.
https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/michael-cohen-alleges-donald-trump-lied-under-oath-in-2013-deposition-about-failed-trump-fort-lauderdale-project-11098852
David,
DeleteCohen is one of Trump's "only the best people". Why wouldn't we take him at his word?
Are you one of those irrational Trump haters, who have to badmouth everyone associated with him?
I remember the days when John (Dean) the Savior gave his Sermon on the Mount, and how Cronkite, Woodward and Bernstein were foaming at the mouth to put the Others in jail while the hapless failed liberal tribe went berserk over a second rate burglary that Nixon wasn’t even involved in, (anyone would have wanted that stolen information though, *once it was stolen* amirite?), because the libs couldn’t win at the ballot box, all while pushing their fraud about “integration” in our public schools. Even then, they didn’t care about black kids.
ReplyDeleteBut Somerby cared. And still does. Just until one of those black kids grows up to become a liberal complaining about racism. Then, watch out: that black adult, who was a black kid uncared about by liberals, becomes a black adult who doesn’t care about themselves.
Now it’s off on another mission of national import.
Still waiting for the pivot:
“we may be changing our focus at the start of next week.”
http://dailyhowler.blogspot.com/2019/02/advantage-harari-nineteen-to-24-years.html
“we'll be changing the focus of our musings after summer comes to an end this Labor Day weekend.”
http://dailyhowler.blogspot.com/2018/08/reaffirmation-of-disbelief-we-speak-in.html
“On Monday, we're going to flip the focus of this site back in a different direction.”
http://dailyhowler.blogspot.com/2018/12/breaking-pleasurable-embellishment-rules.html
We've reached the point where it's painful to be negative two times a day.
http://dailyhowler.blogspot.com/2018/12/breaking-twice-day-negativity-hurts.html
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