Rachel scolds America first!

THURSDAY, APRIL 9, 2020

The best we humans can do:
When normal functioning came to a halt, we decided to treat ourselves in one major way. We decided to stop watching the Maddow show.

We broke our boycott on March 25. When we did, we were confronted with a four-minute opening riff about what sorts of things Maddow does and doesn't find "ooggy."

Once again, there was Maddow's endless desire to talk about herself, preferably in the dumbest way possible.

Just today, we decided to try it again. Through the wonders of On Demand, we started watching the tape of Maddow's show from last night.

We soon observed a puzzling array of errors involving charts about New York City and New York State's numbers of coronavirus cases, hospitalizations and deaths. Maddow spoke about "cases" when the graphic in question spoke about "deaths." Two successive graphics presented the same raw numbers, with the titles on the graphics describing the data in contradictory ways.

Everybody makes mistakes, we high-mindedly said. Then Maddow aired a short videotape from the BBC.

There's nothing wrong with the BBC tape. There was something crazily wrong with Maddow's exercised commentary.

The videotape shows the rising number of "confirmed cases of coronavirus" in the world's various nations since the start of the year. Maddow said she especially wanted us to watch what happens with the numbers starting in early March.

In March, the number of cases in the U.S does rise very fast. Soon, though, Maddow was saying this, and this makes no earthly sense:
MADDOW (4/8/20): Now, here, watch what happens at the beginning of March. Look at the speed at which the U.S. epidemic starts to take off.

By the end of March, we have surpassed everyone, and from that point on, cases in the U.S. continue to grow with astonishing speed, by the thousands, and then by the tens of thousands, and nobody is even close.

That, that is the proof in the pudding. That is the data that shows a failed national response—the worst failed national response on earth.
You'll have to watch the tape of the program to hear the dramatic tone of disgust in Maddow's voice as she offers this assessment.

Sadly, her analysis makes no apparent sense. This is why we say that:

It's true! By the end of March, the U.S. had way more confirmed cases than even the next closest nations.

That said, the next closest nations were all much smaller than the U.S. All things being equal, there would be no reason to expect them to have an equal number of cases.

Which countries are we talking about? On the BBC videotape, the countries with the most confirmed cases were these, populations included:
Countries with the most confirmed cases, plus populations:
United States: 330 million
Spain: 47 million
Italy: 60 million
France: 65 million
Why would Spain—population, 47 million—have as many cases as we do? Like you, we have no idea.

Amazingly, Maddow was working with raw numbers—not with numbers adjusted for population. On this basis, she was disgustedly saying that we have "the worst failed national response on earth."

We certainly have experienced a multiply-bungled response, but is it really the worst on earth? We turned to Kevin Drum's daily posting to borrow a set of relevant numbers—numbers which have been adjusted for size of population:
Deaths per million to date:
United States: 44.7
Spain: 314.7
Italy: 294.5
France: 162.5
The question of whose response has been most "failed" is of course somewhat subjective. But that's how some basic numbers look when you adjust for population size.

Does it look like our epidemic has been worst? There's no perfect way to measure such things, but we're not sure it does!

Maddow was sold to us as Our Own Rhodes Scholar. She was the symbol of the intellectual superiority we liberals love to imagine ourselves possessing.

Her discussion of things she finds ooggy seems like elevated work compared to the way she handled those data from the BBC. Warning:

Among us humans—us rational animals—this is the best we now have! It will fall to our current 9-year-old kids to turn this whole mess around.

To watch the tape: The tape is available at the Maddow site under this heading: "Failed US federal response to COVID-19 manifests as international disaster."

Discussion of the BBC tape starts about 3:30 in.

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  2. "Once again, there was Maddow's endless desire to talk about herself, preferably in the dumbest way possible."

    It is called The Rachel Maddow Show, not "News of the Day". She is allowed to talk about herself, however she wants.

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  3. "We decided to stop watching the Maddow show."

    Hallelujah! Try Tucker Carlson, dear Bob; it's really a very decent political show.

    As for Spain, Italy, France, and the US, I've seen an interesting theory some time ago. Apparently it's the countries that don't have (or, rather, haven't had) mandatory vaccination of all population against tuberculosis (BCG), that are being hit most.

    I don't know if it's true, but it would explain a few things...

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  4. Somerby gives Drum's deaths per million figures, to date. That doesn't show anything about whose response to the virus has been best or worst. To see that, you need to look at Drum's comparison by country of death increase lines each plotted with the curve for Italy. You can then look at where each country was by date, as compare the amount of increase. Simply listing the adjusted number of deaths says nothing if you don't know what point in time the virus reached each country.

    But this is too complicated to explain to a TV audience. Maddow should have shown people being treated by masked nurses as a backdrop to her argument, not any graphs. And she should have given arguments about why our response has been ineffective.

    I have been reading some interesting discussions about the increase in knowledge about how to treat COVID-19 among doctors, who are benefiting from the experience of doctors in Italy and the UK, learning from what has happened in places that were hit by the virus earlier than the US. If that enables our medical staff to more effectively treat people and save a larger percentage, then that decrease in mortality won't be because of anything Trump did, but the graphs will make him look like more of a leader than he deserves.

    Somerby is being too hard on Maddow. And why isn't he talking about what Trump has done wrong? That is surely a bigger mistake than some staff member putting up the wrong graph to match her script. Somerby can't imagine that she is looking at any graph as she reads into the camera? It sounds like some hapless employee reversed the graphs, a very easy mistake to make and surely not worth Somerby's ire.

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  5. ...incidentally, if we we did want to play her bullshit games: the US, as the country, is doing fine.

    It's only a few zombie-controlled areas - greater NYC, MI, CA, LA, PA that are in the shitter. So much for Maddow's dembottery.

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    1. How did LA get in there? It is a red state.

      "The political balance in Louisiana was heavily affected by the post-Hurricane Katrina exodus from New Orleans. Heavily Democratic New Orleans lost a portion of its population. The overall effect reduced Democrats' base of support in the state and made Louisiana a Republican-leaning state in the future."

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    2. I think he means Los Angeles. Not that it matters, and not that I want to spend any time on this, but I think Idaho might have more per capita than anywhere else, and Florida, Texas, and Louisiana are getting a lot of cases. But red state/blue state seems an irrelevant factor except if you want to get tribal.

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    3. Deaths per million for all countries is available at https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ If you click on the column heading, the chart will sort by deaths per million.

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    4. Actually, AC/MA, there seems to be a correlation between being red and not believing the stay-at-home messages and getting more cases. CA is way behind in death rate and cases compared to NYC because Newsom was so quick about making people stay safe, as a mandate, not a suggestion.

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    5. Dembots, LA governor is a zombie-cult member. And thus LA is a zombie-controlled territory, regardless of where its population is leaning.

      And so is, of course, the mayor of New Orleans, where, I reckon, the epicenter of the LA's COVID 19 crisis is.

      'nuff said.

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    6. Mao,
      Any place in the country where Republicans haven't (yet) done a thorough enough job of voter suppression, is a zombie-controlled territory.

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    7. Somerby is dumb as shit.

      Most of these countries are about the size of a large US state.

      The US states (where far less testing has been done) that are of similar population size/density have Covid-19 cases that far outnumber anywhere else in the world. Trump's response has been an unmitigated disaster, a huge fuck up.

      CA, the most progressive state, is an outlier, it has less cases per capita than South Carolina - as red a state as you can get. Go Cocks!

      CA is the fifth largest economy in the world. The weather is not bad too.

      If conservatives want to ignore the Trump virus and stop self-distancing, I have no quarrel with that, they can cling to their "intelligent design" while the rest of us observe natural selection at work.

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  6. Maddow is trying to show how bad Trump’s response has been. And it has been bad. Unfortunately, the number of cases to date doesn’t show this. Somerby is right. Per capita, the US number of cases is actually less than many other countries. So, Maddow’s chart doesn’t prove her point. In fact, her assertion, that the national response in the US is the worst in the world, is quite difficult to prove. (Perhaps one could look instead at cases versus population density: the US has lower density than Italy, Spain, or Germany, for example. It also isn’t clear how many cases have gone undiagnosed due to lack of testing.)

    The fact is that the mitigation efforts adopted by states and cities in spite of the mismanagement or sociopathic belligerence from the Trump administration may be the biggest factor in keeping the infection rate down.

    A better way to accuse Trump is to try to figure out how many deaths or infections were caused by maladministration, ie which deaths or infections were attributable to lack of supplies or failed national response. That would be daunting, but worthwhile to attempt.

    Another unfortunate thing is that, because statewide mitigation efforts may have been significantly helpful in reducing infection and death, the Sociopath-In-Chief will take credit for the lower numbers, just as he took credit for Obama’s economy.

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    1. Trump's response has been perfect. He's had to be effective in his role as president and also take over the responsibilities of Democrat governors and goddamnit he's done it.

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    2. Why do we have these conservative trolls here?

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    3. Someone call the Stasi and quick

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    4. 4:05,
      Let Trump choose a few dozen more enemies to blame his criminal negligence on, before we start throwing the word "perfect" around.

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  7. “Once again, there was Maddow's endless desire to talk about herself”

    Sounds like she has Narcissistic Personality Disorder, which suggests that her use of charts that don’t illustrate her point isn’t her fault.

    Also, doesn’t that mean that we should be inclined to pity her, or is that only reserved for Trump?

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    1. She also has a mood disorder. That is considered a major disorder (Axis I) compared to Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Axis II). They don't use the axes in the revised DSM, but it gives you the idea of what is considered major vs minor.

      Something like Narcissistic Personality Disorder is more annoying to be around (for other people), so perhaps that is why Somerby finds it harder to find pity in his heart for Maddow compared to the poor immigrant. Then we have to ask why Somerby doesn't find Trump more annoying than Maddow? Considering that Trump has BOTH Narcissistic Personality Disorder and Antisocial Personality Disorder, he should be twice as annoying as Maddow, and yet Somerby pities him and not Maddow. What is wrong with that picture?

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    2. Maddow has a mood disorder and narcissistic personality disorder so is going to be more annoying than someone with every other disorder in the book combined.

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    3. Right, so Somerby should pity her more and not hold her responsible for her staff's errors.

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    4. Since we're all psychoanalysts now, I'd like to argue Maddow's strong sense of nationalism is a result of her depression. She invests her self-esteem into the group and it hurts more to see the line go down. Hence the failure to further investigate measurements of suffering.

      Nationalism also helps give upper class voters something to *do* in a democracy that isn't too disruptive to the status quo. In fact, every person above a certain income and education level thinks the abstract, solipsistic way Maddow does. Maddow can coast along in life without deep friendships or asking hard political or financial questions, life is a series of pluses and minuses, compliments and insults.

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    5. @5:37
      “We’re” not all psychoanalysts here. Somerby is the one indulging in endless psychoanalysis of Trump.

      Your description of Maddow pretty much fits Trump just as well. And yet, the blogger wants to imagine that Trump has a personality disorder that makes his behavior not his fault and that renders Trump worthy of pity. Trump is arguably in a position to do more damage than Maddow. So, the question is, why does Trump qualify for pity, and not Maddow?

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    6. "Somerby is the one indulging in endless psychoanalysis "

      mh every single person in this thread is

      "Your description of Maddow pretty much fits Trump just as well"

      Agreed! Read this part carefully:
      In fact, every person above a certain income and education level thinks the abstract, solipsistic way Maddow does

      why does Trump qualify for pity, and not Maddow?

      Does the Daily Howler ask for pity? I see him asking for concern, not pity. And Trump has a lot more power. So he's a bigger concern.

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    7. I don’t how you people can be so deranged about Trump as to think that Somerby is championing a media driven national discussion about Trump having several personality disorders in order to exculpate Trump from any accountability.

      As though “sociopaths are born and made” is not a “screwed, glued, and tattooed” political epitaph.

      You incredible fools”.



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    8. Maddow, like everyone else in the establishment zombie media, is simply doing her job.

      If she was indeed a mental case, I'm pretty sure her zombie-bosses would've gotten rid of her, and found a normal one, to perform the same act. They don't need the risk.

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    9. Mao,
      Make up your mind. Are you, or are you not, a supporter of the Establishment corporation Maddow works for getting a HUGE tax break from Trump, while they were sitting on piles of cash.

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  8. Democrats tend to be innumerate and don't understand the difference between numerical and proportional figures.

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    1. Did you hear the one about the Right-wing accusation that wasn't really a confession?

      Me neither.

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    2. Good. Maybe that nonsensical troll trope is going the way of “pwnd”.

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    3. And "small town values".

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    4. Exactly. Stop trolling it in quotes.

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    5. Please, Cecelia, let our psycho-dembot make his public confessions in peace. Show compassion.

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    6. Cecelia, perhaps it would be best not to try to gainsay @7:40's claim in a way that proves his point. Just a suggestion.

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    7. I have no idea what Cecelia's "drift" is getting at.
      I'm too busy calling out Mao for his fantasy that Conservatives know anything about basic mathematics.

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  9. TDH, what about China, 3 times as many there than US.

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