HUMAN ASSESSMENTS: Did the Times do anything right?

FRIDAY, JUNE 12, 2020

All the newspaper's assessments:
We can't tell you why James Bennet didn't read Tom Cotton's submission.

Bennet was editorial page editor of the New York Times. Cotton, a high-profile senator, had offered a submission for possible publication.

As it turned out, the publication of Cotton's column led to a major uproar. In the end, it also cost Bennet his job.

We don't know why Bennet didn't review the column, but this wasn't the first time in recent months that he seemed to be missing in action. Back in January, the puzzling newspaper published a somewhat puzzling dual endorsement for president.

Two female candidates, Warren and Klobuchar, were still viable for the Democratic Party nomination. In an unusual move which could have been mocked as comically "correct," the puzzling newspaper's board decided to endorse both.

The endorsement(s) were announced at the end of a clown-like, hour-long TV program. The reality show-resembling program included videotaped excerpts of the board's lengthy interviews with the various hopefuls.

Bennet, the nominal chair of the board, didn't appear in the embarrassing hour-long TV show. Nor did his name appear in transcripts of the lengthy interviews conducted with the various contenders.

At the start of this month, he didn't read the Cotton column. Earlier, he didn't seem to have played a role in the dual endorsement(s). That process was led by Kathleen Kingsbury, the deputy editorial board editor who has now been named the acting head.

(In a matter which might seem slightly unusual, Kingsbury's husband, Alex Kingsbury, is also on the board.)

Bennet seemed to be missing in action during the candidate interviews. Meanwhile, in a possibly puzzling manifestation, Kingsbury had made a point of asking every presidential candidate a certain personal question.

You see that personal question below, as it was asked of, and answered by, Candidate Warren:
KINGSBURY (1/14/20): Well, one more personal question for you. Who has broken your heart?

WARREN: My first husband.

KINGSBURY: Why? Do you mind telling?

WARREN: Well, yeah.

[LAUGHTER]

KINGSBURY: Oh my god, we’re running out of time. We have a bunch of questions around technology.

[LAUGHTER]
Every candidate was asked to say who had broken his or her heart. In fairness, this is the kind of question journalists ask to show us that, despite their standing, they're just as dumb as we are.

Also in fairness, no candidate was asked what type of tree she would choose to be if she could choose to be one. But so it went as the newspaper's board moved toward its dual endorsement.

Last week, we were given another chance to see this group in action. Cotton's essay was published, though only online, on January 3. An uproar followed, with staffers saying the column made them feel unsafe.

(Yesterday, a Times staffer seems to have said, in a comment to this essay by Jonathan Chait, that staffers were forced to take that approach by their union:

("Speaking as someone inside the Times, the reason the reporters deployed the 'This endangers me' formulation was only because our union told them that was the only line they could take, to insist that it was a workplace danger issue," this apparent staffer wrote. We can't verify the accuracy of any part of this. You can peruse the fuller statement within the comments to Chait.)

An uproar followed the publication of the Cotton column. Two days later, a five (5) paragraph Editors' Note was placed above the column.

Presumably, the Editors' Note was the work of the full editorial board. Or, despite the plural form, it may have come from Bennet alone. Authorship wasn't spelled out.

The Editors' Note was just five grafs long. Paragraph 1 said this:
EDITORS' NOTE (6/5/20): After publication, this essay met strong criticism from many readers (and many Times colleagues), prompting editors to review the piece and the editing process. Based on that review, we have concluded that the essay fell short of our standards and should not have been published.
One day earlier, both Bennet and the newspaper's publisher had defended the publication of the column. Now, the unnamed editors (plural) were saying that the column shouldn't have been published. (The publisher also flipped.)

Should the column have been published? On that point, we have no major view. A great deal of foolishness does get published by the Times Opinion section. We can't say it's clear tpo us that Cotton's column, even as published, managed to fall below the paper's prevailing "standards."

That said, a question popped into our heads as we read the Note. Did the Times do anything right when it reviewed Cotton's original submission? The second paragraph of the Note went like this:
EDITORS' NOTE (continuing forect;ly): The basic arguments advanced by Senator Cotton—however objectionable people may find them—represent a newsworthy part of the current debate. But given the life-and-death importance of the topic, the senator’s influential position and the gravity of the steps he advocates, the essay should have undergone the highest level of scrutiny. Instead, the editing process was rushed and flawed, and senior editors were not sufficiently involved. While Senator Cotton and his staff cooperated fully in our editing process, the Op-Ed should have been subject to further substantial revisions—as is frequently the case with such essays—or rejected.
According to that paragraph, Senator Cotton and his staff did what they should have done. That said, the editing process by the Times had been "rushed and flawed."

After that came paragraph 3. In our view, the writing in this very paragraph also seems rushed and flawed:
EDITORS' NOTE (continuing directly): For example, the published piece presents as facts assertions about the role of “cadres of left-wing radicals like antifa”; in fact, those allegations have not been substantiated and have been widely questioned. Editors should have sought further corroboration of those assertions, or removed them from the piece. The assertion that police officers “bore the brunt” of the violence is an overstatement that should have been challenged. The essay also includes a reference to a “constitutional duty” that was intended as a paraphrase; it should not have been rendered as a quotation.
In that paragraph, the editors question two factual claims. We can't tell you what Cotton would have said or done had the claims been questioned or challenged before the column was published.

That said, good God! Consider the sentence we've highlighted—the editors' absurdly fuzzy, jumbled attempt to discuss a paraphrase which was rendered as a quotation.

Rather plainly, this refers to a certain apparent quotation which appears in the published version of Cotton's column. In the column as published, it wasn't clear who or what was being quoted, or if anyone was being quoted at all.
In fact, the federal government has a constitutional duty to the states to “protect each of them from domestic violence.”
That sentence appears in the version of Cotton's column which appeared in the Times. But who is being quoted there? As you can see from reading the fuller passage, no attribution appears.

Is that the way the column was written by Cotton himself? If so, that bit of writing was bungled, and it should have been challenged in the editing process.

That said, the highlighted writing by the editors is so murky and so unclear that a question comes to mind. We can't help wondering if the editors themselves somehow managed to turn a submitted paraphrase into a published quotation.

We're not saying the editors did that, although they certainly might have. We're saying that their writing there is perversely unclear.

To us, that highlighted sentence from the Editors' Note is highly instructive. Even in writing five (5) paragraphs about a matter of major interest, the editors couldn't avoid such jumbled, unclear prose.

We saw similar murkiness in their fifth and final paragraph. The fourth graf wasn't much better:
EDITORS' NOTE (continuing directly): Beyond those factual questions, the tone of the essay in places is needlessly harsh and falls short of the thoughtful approach that advances useful debate. Editors should have offered suggestions to address those problems. The headline—which was written by The Times, not Senator Cotton—was incendiary and should not have been used.

Finally, we failed to offer appropriate additional context—either in the text or the presentation—that could have helped readers place Senator Cotton’s views within a larger framework of debate.
We're sorry, but that's just awful. We start with paragraph 4:

After scolding Cotton for being, in places, "needlessly harsh," the editors admit that they were the ones who wrote the headline, which they call "incendiary!"

That final, hopelessly murky paragraph finally takes the cake. In an attempt to "offer additional context," might the editors have inserted material into Cotton's text which didn't come from Cotton himself? We'd like to think the answer is no, but that's almost what they seem to be saying.

That said, their writing is again so unclear that it's hard to know exactly what they're saying. And this is the way these editors function when the whole world is watching!

Is there anything the Times did right in handling Cotton's column? First, Bennet himself failed to read it. Then, the people who did edit the column blew past various points of alleged concern, eventually adding a headline which the editors call incendiary.

Along the way, they may have blown past an unsourced quotation without requiring that a source be cited! Or—Who really knows?—they may have created this blunder themselves. Even as they denounce the column they themselves chose to publish, their writing is so unclear, at several points, that it's hard to know what they did and what they think they should have done.

Summarizing:

On June 3, they published the column. On June 4, they defended their decision to publish the column. On June 5, they published this murky tome, in which they kept denouncing Cotton for things they themselves had done and had failed to do.

In the uproar which followed the publication of the column, various staffers swing into action, "fact-checking" (and in one case, "truth"-checking) what Cotton had apparently written. We'll only say that the fact-checking skills of some of these staffers sometimes seemed remarkably weak.

Meanwhile, for one example out of ten million, consider the degree of discernment put on display by an array of such scribes. The assessment in question is this:
Olivia this isn’t a bad opinion. NYT has no reason to give a platform to someone making an argument for using lethal force against American citizens exercising constitutional rights. The same constitution that gives him title of senator. Why the NYT stamp of approval?
Really? Did Cotton advocate "using lethal force against American citizens exercising constitutional rights?" On what planet do people like this get hired as upper-end journalists, let alone as Pulitzer winners?

(Inevitably, the person who wrote that comment now teaches at the Columbia School of Journalism! Or so Nuzzi says.)

Staffers said the publication of the column made them feel unsafe. This claim would have e been the final blow in our own assessment of New York Times staffers, until one apparent staffer said the staffers were forced to adopt that approach based on union rules. On what planet can a culture like this really expect to survive?

We have no doubt that members of the board, and other Times staffers, are all good, decent people. Their culture, though, is often clown college, and their skills are remarkably weak.

We offer this as anthropological insight. We've been guided in these ruminations by several top major experts. They report to us from the years which follow a certain impending "war."

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  1. "One day earlier, both Bennet and the newspaper's publisher had defended the publication of the column."

    Typical knee-jerk reaction to anything in the corporate media. Side with the Conservatives, first. Thinking through the issue can come later if there is too much pushback.

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  2. I should note that the editing process on a Maureen Dowd column is rushed and flawed.

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  3. The editors' note is badly written, because it's bullsh*t. There was nothing wrong* with Cotton's column. It was a normal op-ed, although you might have disagreed with it. The Times simply succumbed to pressure and then justified their cowardice as best they could.

    *Actually there was one problem: the headline. It was entitled, "Send in the Troops." However, the column was more moderate. It suggested a number of possible steps. Sending in troops was mentioned only as a hypothetical last resort. I wonder whether the headline was written by Sen. Cotton or by a Times staffer.

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    1. Hi David.
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    2. "The Times simply succumbed to pressure and then justified their cowardice as best they could."

      I don't think it's what happened.

      They published it - and of course they wrote the headline - precisely with the purpose, the single purpose, to start this hate-mongering campaign of lies and misrepresentations.

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    3. "It suggested a number of possible steps."

      All obviously unnecessary at the time and certainly in hindsight.

      Now pull the other one.

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  4. Oh that Bennet! Bad dembot. Bad.

    "Did Cotton advocate "using lethal force against American citizens exercising constitutional rights?" On what planet do people like this get hired as upper-end journalists, let alone as Pulitzer winners?"

    On your goebbelsian liberal-nazi planet, dear Bob.

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  6. “Did the Times do anything right when it reviewed Cotton's original submission?”

    Here is Somerby’s misdirection:

    ‘After scolding Cotton for being, in places, "needlessly harsh," the editors admit that they were the ones who wrote the headline, which they call "incendiary!"’

    The Editor’s Note is not blaming Cotton for anything.

    It is blaming the editors of the Times. Bennett was the head of the editorial page, and as such was ultimately responsible for the errors.

    That is precisely why Bennett is now gone.

    Duh.

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    1. Dear mh, I'm curious: would you not characterize what's happening in Seattle (part of it anyway, the 'Chaz' thing) right now as 'insurrection'? If not, why not?

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    2. I hear it's as lawless as Bill Barr up there.

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    3. Because an insurrection must be a violent attempt to replace the current authority? There's no violence in CHAZ, and the state authorities are in no danger of being displaced.

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  7. Cotton's beneficence is unbounded. Indeed the natural tenderness of his heart might have been argued, by the frigidity of a casuist, as detracting from his virtue in this respect, for his humanity is a feeling, not a principle. But minds like Somerby’s are not very apt to make this distinction, and generally give our virtue credit for all that benevolence which is instinctive in our nature.

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  8. Cotton did not "offer a submission"; Bennett explicitly solicited it. Times staffers who complained said this was so. Media who reported on the controversy included this fact. Bennett in his resignation admitted this. Why is Bob ignoring it?

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    1. Somerby is undoubtedly a decent person. But one can’t escape the feeling that he isn’t being scrupulously honest. By omitting certain important facts, he may seem to be putting his thumb on the scales, making it harder for readers to get a complete picture.

      Anything is possible.

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    2. Because it's irrelevant to TDH's point? TDH complains that the NYT note scolds Cotton but details complaints about their own failures of word choice and editing process.

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  16. EFFECTIVE LOVE SPELL TO GET EX HUSBAND/BOYFRIEND OR EX WIFE/GIRLFRIEND AND CURE HERPES AND INFERTILITY THAT WORKS WITHIN 24 HOURS.

     Contact Dr. Odunga at odungaspelltemple@gmail.com OR Whats App/CALL +2348167159012

    I got my ex husband back to me and also got fertile and gave birth to twin girls after 12 years of marriage.
    When I came online last year, I saw a testimony about Doctor ODUNGA and how he has been helping people with marriage issues and I decided to contact him. We spoke on email at odungaspelltemple@gmail.com and later he gave me his WhatsApp number which is +2348167159012. He assured me he would help me get my ex husband back after 3 years of no contact. Doctor Odunga is the best spell caster I must say. My husband called me after 24 hours of contact. The third day, I received natural herbs for fertility and after using it, I became fertile and conceived. I and my husband reconnected, had sex and I was pregnant. Presently I am happy to say I am the mother of twin girls and this is ALL THANKS TO DOCTOR ODUNGA. I came online to say this If you need help, I believe you are saved with this man.  

    Contact his email at odungaspelltemple@gmail.com

     OR Whats App/Call +2348167159012 and you too will give a testimony too to help others

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  17. Hi viewers, I'm Murphy from Holland. I'm posting this Because i found lots of people having marriage problems which I also experienced. I recently found help from a man called Dr. Agumba he did a great job that made my wife fell back in love with me after nine months of separation. I want y' all to know there are fake online spell Dr.s if someone out there needs help, can easily contact dragumbasolutioncenter@gmail.com or reach him on whatsapp +2349032173881 he will give you the best result.

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  18. My husband and I have been married for over 10 years. We met when I was 18 and he was 21. We’ve been through a lot emotionally together. There were several huge fights and painful situations in our marriage, but we always seemed to come out stronger on the other side. Out of the blue my husband just sprung the divorce talk on me, and he end up communicating with me over two months I was totally depressed until I found Osita number online and i seek for a Love spell. You won’t believe my husband called me at the exact time this spell caster finished his spell work in 24hours, I was totally amazed! He is wonderful and his spells work so fast. Dr Osita whatsapp number +15088120454 or Via: drositamiraclespell@gmail.com you can also reach him to reunite your marriage.

    He is specialized on the following spells:
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    *Remove Curse Spells
    *Protection Spells
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    *Goodluck Spells
    *Fertility Spells

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  19. I want to share this wonderful testimony to the Good people all over the world on how I was able to Enlarge my Penis by Dr. Aziba. I was living a shameful life from my young age, just last month as I was browsing on the internet about Penis size  and Enlargement Products, I saw a testimony of a Man called Tim James testifying of how he was able to get his penis Enlarged by Dr. Aziba and I decided to also Email Dr. Aziba for my small penis size and he quickly respond to me and gave me the normal instructions which i did and then he shipped the product to me here in the united state which i received in just 3 working days and today i am very happy because i started seeing positive changes in my penis size in just 7 days of use.  Dr Aziba herbal product is the best recommended for you and to whom ever suffering from this shame or having any other diseases as well should Contact this great herbal doctor via his Email : Priestazibasolutioncenter@gmail.com and WhatsApp Him on +2348100368288

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  20. I completely trusted Dr Jumba from the time I spoke with him during the period my husband Left me after 1year and 3months of our marriage, Dr Jumba helped me Cast the spell work on my Relationship and gave me so much assurance and guaranteed me that he was going to bring my husband back to Me in just 15hours of the spell casting. I was so confident in his work because I have read A Lot of Testimonies online & Also for the Fact he Helped a Friend of mine Some weeks Back to get her Man Back. My faith was so strong About everything and just as Dr Jumba said to me in the beginning, my husband came back to me Asking for my Forgiveness And Also wants us to have A Happy Home together, YES MY HUSBAND IS BACK with all his hearts, Love, care, emotions and flowers and things are better now. Thankyou So much Papa, you cleared my Doubts about magic or Spells and You Also Brought Life and Happiness to me .. I would have no hesitation to recommend this powerful spell caster to anybody who is in need of help.. You can contact him through his email address: wiccalovespelltools@gmail.com OR Call ️  / WhatsApp him on: +19085174108  blog : https://wiccaspelltools.blogspot.com/  WEBSITE:  drjumbaspellhome.wordpress.com 

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  21. My husband and I have been married for about 6 yrs now. We were happily married with two kids, a boy and a girl. 3 months ago, I started to notice some strange behavior from him and a few weeks later I found out that my husband is seeing someone. He started coming home late from work, he hardly care about me or the kids anymore, Sometimes he goes out and doesn't even come back home for about 2-3 days. I did all I could to rectify this problem but all to no avail. I became very worried and needed help. As I was browsing through the Internet one day, I came across a website that suggested that Dr Akhigbe can help solve marital problems, restore broken relationships and so on. So, I felt I should give him a try. I contacted him and he did a spell for me. Two days later, my husband came to me and apologized for the wrongs he did and promise never to do it again. Ever since then, everything has returned back to normal. I and my family are living together happily again.. All thanks to Dr Akhigbe. If you need a spell caster that can cast a spell that truly works, I suggest you contact him. He will not disappoint you. This is his E-mail: Drakhigbespellhome7@gmail.com WhatsApp +2349021374574 

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  22. Heal from broken heart" Love spell from Dr.Kadiri brought my husband back"contact drkadirilovespellhome@gmail.com to help you get your Ex lover back urgently after breakup/divorce"
    After 12years of marriage, me and my husband have been into one quarrel or the other until he finally left me and moved to California to be with another woman. I felt my life was over and my kids thought they would never see their father again. I tried to be strong just for the kids but I could not control the pains that tormented my heart, my heart was filled with sorrows and pains because I was really in love with  my husband. Every day and night I think of him and always wish he could come back to me, I was really worried and I needed help, so I searched for help online and I came across a website that suggested that Dr Kadiri can help get ex back fast. So, I felt I should give him a try. I contacted him and he told me what to do and I did it then he did a Love spell for me. 11hours later, my husband really called me and told me that he missed me and the kids so much, So Amazing!! So that was how he came back that same day,with lots of love and joy,and he apologized for his mistake,and for the pain he caused me and the kids. Then from that day,our Marriage was now stronger than how it were before, All thanks to Dr Kadiri. he is so powerful and i decided to share my story on the internet that Dr.Kadiri is real spell caster who i will always pray to live long to help his children in the time of trouble, if you are here and you need your ex lover back or save your marriage fast. Do not cry anymore, contact this powerful spell caster Dr.Kadiri now. Here’s his contact: Call/WhatsApp him: +2348102430456 ,Email him at: drkadirilovespellhome@gmail.com ,Your kindness will never be forgotten.  

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  23. I want to thank of great Dr. Todd he brought my boyfriend back to me. i had seen many people to get him back but nothing, Dr. Todd gave me a consultation and told me all truth, and I trusted Dr. Todd and had him do the spells for me. it took awhile because it was very very messy between us. i had to wait for each spell to do its work. but once the last spell finally was working and the other spells had worked, that is when he called. we met. then it took many more meetings. but now we are back together and i can only thank Dr. Todd, he is the greatest, i will come to Dr. Todd for life. Todd took care of me like family. contact; manifest spell cast @gmail. com manifestspellcast.wordpress.com WhatsApp:+1 604 901 9747

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  24. Hello everyone.  I want to share my amazing experience with the great spell caster Dr Mark my husband was cheating on me and when I found out we had a fight which lead him filling for a divorce I cried and fell sick when I was searching about love quotes online I saw people talking about Dr Mark and his great work whose case was similar to mine they left his contact info I contacted Dr Mark and he told me not to worry that after 24 hours he will cancel the divorce and my husband will be back to me after I did everything he asked me to do to my greatest surprise the next day evening it was my husband he knelt down begging me to accept him back, thank you once again Dr Mark you are indeed a blessing to me he can also help you. contact Dr Mark through his email address on: blessedlovetemple@gmail.com
    He cure all kinds of sickness or diseases such as: HERPES VIRUS LASSA FEVER GONORRHEA HIV/AID

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  25. My husband and I have been married for over 10 years. We met when I was 18 and he was 21. We’ve been through a lot emotionally together. There were several HUGE fights and painful situations in our marriage, but we always seemed to come out stronger on the other side. Out of the blue my husband just sprung the divorce talk on me, I was totally depressed until I found Dr.Todd website online and I ordered for a Love spell. You won’t believe my husband called me at the exact time this spell caster finished his spell work in 48hrs. I was totally amazed! He is wonderful and his spells work so fast. His Email: manifestspellcast@ gmail. com manifestspellcast.wordpress.com
    WhatsApp:+1 604 901 9747

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  26. Please visit
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    i am here to give testimony on how this powerful spell caster called Dr Adoda helped me to fix my relationship. i was heartbroken when my fiancee told me he is no longer interested in marrying me because he was having an affair with the other woman where he work. I cried and sobbed every day, until it got so bad that I reached out to the Internet for help, that was when i read a review about the great work of Dr Adoda, then i contacted him for help to get my lover back, he helped me cast a powerful (reconciliation love spell) and to my greatest surprise after 48 hours of doing the love spell my Fiancee came back on his knees begging me to forgive him We are now happily married and all thanks goes to Dr Adoda Wonders for helping me save my relationship you can contact Dr Adoda through his email address: adodalovespelltemple440@gmail.com or WHATSAPP him on+2348112825421

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  27. HOW I GOT MY HUSBAND BACK WITH THE HELP OF DR JUMBA  CONTACT ON WHATSAPP NUMBER +1 (908) 517 4108 

    This is my testimony about the good work of Dr Jumba who help me....  am sorry for putting this on net but i will have to, by this world best spell caster that brought back my husband who left me out for past 3 years, i eventually met this man on a blog site posting by one of is client for help, i explained everything to him and he told me about a spell caster that he had heard about and he gave me an email address to write to the spell caster to tell him my problems. In just 2 days, my husband was back to me. I just want to say thank you to this truthful and sincere spell caster, sir all you told me have come to pass and thank you Dr Jumba  . Please I want to tell everyone who is looking for a solution to their problems, I advise you to kindly consult Dr Jumba  , he is real,he is powerful and whatever the spell caster tells is what will happen, because all what the spell caster told me came to pass. You can kindly contact him on whatsapp : +1 (908) 517 4108 or email him : wiccalovespelltools@gmail.com  .  website :  https://drjumbaspellhome.wordpress.com/

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  28. I was married for 16 years to a loving mother and wife. We had 2 children together who are now 11 & 13. I reconnected with an old girlfriend from college on Facebook and we began an affair and I left my wife. The woman I had an affair with is a wonderful woman and I love her too and our kids had begun accepting the situation and my wife has kind of moved on, but not in love with the man she is seeing. I thought I fell out of love with my wife and I felt terrible about what I did to her - she is a good woman and I don't know what came over me. I decided to try and get her back and I was recommended to Lord Zakuza for help to get reunited with my wife and within 48 hours after I made contact with Lord Zakuza my wife decided to work things out with me and now we are back together with our children living as one happy family. I really don't know the words to use in appreciation of what Lord Zakuza did for me but I will say thank you sir for reuniting I and my family back. For those in trying times with their marriages or relationship can WhatsApp Lord Zakuza for help with this number +1 740 573 9483 or you can send him an email to Lordzakuza7@gmail.com

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  29. My first time meeting with a Psychic medium and I have to say, it's really worth it. It had been 6months since my husband left me without saying anything.All thanks to Dr Adoda I was able to connect with my husband again with his powerful reunion love spell and now he loves me more than he used to. Eternally grateful with The Great Dr Adoda! I highly recommend, His contact details ( http://dradodalovetemple.com )

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  30. I know there are a lot of people all over the world that's seeking for ways to get their ex lover/partner back but they have tried so hard to no avail. I was once like you because my ex boyfriend left me for 16 months with no contact but now, we are back together and it's been 4 months with so much love, care and we will be getting married soonest because he engaged me 3 days ago. I want you all to worry no more for there's a solution for your worries and depressions for Lord Zakuza is here to help with his powerful spells with no side effect whatsoever. You can reach him on his Email address on: Lordzakuza7@gmail.com or via his WhatsApp line +1 740 573 9483.

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  31. Hello everyone.. I was married for 8years with William. things started getting ugly and we had fights and arguments almost every time. it got worse at a point that he filed for divorce. I tried my best to make him change his mind & stay with me. But he moved out of the house and still went ahead to file for the divorce. I pleaded and tried everything but still nothing worked. The breakthrough came when a friend introduced me to this wonderful, great spell caster who eventually helped me out. I have never been a fan of things like this but just decided to try reluctantly cause I was desperate and left with no choice. He did special prayers and used roots and herbs. Within 4 days he called me and was sorry for all the emotional trauma he had cost me, he moved back to the house and we continue to live happily. what a wonderful miracle Dr Freedom did for me and my family. I have introduced him to a lot of couples with problems across the world and they have had good news. I strongly believe someone out there need's his help.( freedomspellcast@gmail.com  or reach him on WhatsApp at  +2348070670337 so make extra effort to save your marriage/relationship,you can also contact him if you have any problems..

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  32. HOW I GOT MY EX HUSBAND BACK WITH THE HELP OF REAL AND EFFECTIVE SPELL FROM DR Aluya My name is jessica, I never thought I will smile again, My husband left me with two kids for one year, All effort to bring him back failed I thought I'm not going to see him again not until I met a lady called Jesse who told me about a spell caster called Dr Aluya , She gave me his email address and mobile number and I contacted him and he assured me that within 48hours my husband will come back to me, In less than 48hours my husband came back started begging for forgiveness saying it is the devils work, so I'm still surprise till now about this miracle,i couldn't conceive but as soon as the spell was cast,i became pregnant and gave birth to my third child,if you need any assistance from him you can contact him via:email:{ aluya.48hoursspelltemple @gmail.com } you can also text him on whatApp:  +2348110493039  You can also contact Him through his website:   https://draluya48hoursspelltemple.webs.com/

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  33. After being in relationship with Wilson for seven years,he broke up with me, I did everything possible to bring him back but all was in vain, I wanted him back so much because of the love I have for him, I begged him with everything, I made promises but he refused. I explained my problem to someone online and she suggested that I should contact a spell caster that could help me cast a spell to bring him back but I am the type that don’t believed in spell, I had no choice than to try it, I meant a spell caster called Dr Zuma zuk and I email him, and he told me there was no problem that everything will be okay before three days, that my ex will return to me before three days, he cast the spell and surprisingly in the second day, it was around 4pm. My ex called me, I was so surprised, I answered the call and all he said was that he was so sorry for everything that happened, that he wanted me to return to him, that he loves me so much. I was so happy and went to him, that was how we started living together happily again. Since then, I have made promise that anybody I know that have a relationship problem, I would be of help to such person by referring him or her to the only real and powerful spell caster who helped me with my own problem and who is different from all the fake ones out there. Anybody could need the help of the spell caster, his email: spiritualherbalisthealing@gmail.com or WhatsApp him +15068001647
    you can email him if you need his assistance in your relationship or anything. CONTACT HIM NOW FOR SOLUTION TO ALL YOUR PROBLEMS https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCShqcSowkKNWKCHEktBm81g

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