BACK TO SCHOOL PREVIEW: New Orleans has fashioned a miracle too!

TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 1, 2015

Part 2—The superintendent's tale:
According to laws of our modern “news” business, American news comes in two flavors:

If an anniversary of real news occurs, it will be treated as news.

If Donald Trump is speaking somewhere, that constitutes breaking news.

Last week marked the tenth anniversary of Hurricane Katrina. In accord with the first precept listed above, this touched off an imitation pseudo-discussion of the New Orleans schools.

Various people stated their view of the current state of those schools. Professor Gabor, a skeptic and perhaps a detractor, gave it a try on August 23, in the New York Times’ Sunday Review.

Her piece was called, “The Myth of the New Orleans School Makeover.” You can just click here.

The very next day, Jonathan Chait took the opposite tack in a New York Magazine piece. He said a “revolution” has occurred in Big Easy schools since the time of Katrina.

Chait’s piece bore this headline: “How New Orleans Proved Urban-Education Reform Can Work.” To peruse his work, click this.

What has occurred in the New Orleans schools? We can’t answer that question. For today, let’s offer a bit of background, some words of warning, a soupcon of basic context.

In particular, let’s examine the so-called “big pimping” which has been conducted by the state of Louisiana’s superintendent of education.

John White is the superintendent in question. We would assume he is well-intentioned. Indeed, his overall claims on behalf of New Orleans may turn out to be correct.

That said, we were struck by some of the claims White made last week, first in a letter to the New York Times, then in an opinion column in the Washington Post.

On balance, the superintendent’s so-called “big pimping” may end up seeming right and just. But it’s a type of advocacy which has surrounded failed miracle claims in the past. As we prepare for our review of this year’s back to school reporting, we thought it might be worth observing some possible problems with White’s presentations and claims.

Ten years had passed, and so it was time to pretend to discuss those schools! Last Thursday, White responded to Professor Gabor. His letter appeared in the New York Times. It included these boasts:
WHITE (8/27/15): The city’s high school graduation rate has increased to 73 percent last year from 54 percent in 2005. The average ACT score for black students in New Orleans exceeds the national average, and the graduation rate for black males does as well.

The percentage of seniors attending college has increased to more than half of all seniors today from little more than a third a decade ago.
Presumably, a rise in the graduation rate is a good thing. Presumably, so is an increase in the percentage of students attending college.

That said, New Orleans underwent significant demographic change as a result of Katrina. In 2005, enrollment in the city’s schools stood at 65,610. As of last year, enrollment was 43,948.

When enrollments drop that much as the result of a major disaster, a serious student will want to avoid facile before-and-after comparisons. You’ll want to keep that point in mind when we review Big Easy schools after Labor Day.

For now, we’ll offer a second thought about those claims by White. His claim about the average ACT score was perhaps a tiny bit slippery, at least as presented in that letter, in a way you can surely spot.

The Times should have asked him to be more precise. At any rate, here’s what White said about ACT scores the very next day in his column in the Washington Post:
WHITE (8/28/15): This school choice program for parents, budgeting and hiring autonomy for principals, and stringent accountability for charter school boards has worked. Though more students than ever before in New Orleans take the ACT test, the city’s average score has increased nearly two full points since 2005 and now tops the national average for African American students. The city’s high school graduation rate has increased from 54 percent to 73 percent, beating the national average for African American males. The rate of seniors going to college has increased from 37 percent to 59 percent.
His claim about ACT scores had changed—though it still could be seen, at least by a skeptic, as being perhaps a bit slick.

White now said that the average ACT score for all New Orleans students “tops the national average for African American students.” That statement seems to be true; in fact, it seems to be true by a fairly significant margin.

But in that comparison, White is now comparing apples-plus-oranges in New Orleans to national apples only. When education officials reason like this, we advise you to be concerned about their overall work.

Just this once, let’s be fair! It seems to be true that average ACT scores in New Orleans have risen, by a substantial amount, over the past ten years. In one respect, this rise is especially striking. We refer to a point White actually understated in his piece on the Post:

In 2005, taking the ACT was optional for kids in New Orleans schools. By 2015, every student in Louisiana was required to take the ACT. We can all see what that means:

In New Orleans, scores have risen even as the percentage taking the test rose from some undisclosed figure to a full 100 percent! That makes the Big Easy’s rise in average ACT scores seem more impressive still.

Still and all, a careful person will still want to consider that large drop in Big Easy enrollment. Beyond that, a further question arises about White’s use of the ACT:

People! Everyone knows that tests like the ACT are poorly designed for these kinds of comparisons. In some jurisdictions, everybody takes the ACT. In other jurisdictions, only the brightest students do.

(On a national basis, the ACT says that 57 percent of students are tested.)

In the current situation, New Orleans comes off looking quite good, since everyone is said to be taking the test. But this raises an important question—why is White forced to use the ACT as his basis for national comparisons?

In our view, the answer raises a bit of a warning flag. Try to bear with us here:

White is forced to use the ACT because New Orleans doesn’t take part in the NAEP! And yes, that makes us a bit suspicious:

We refer, of course, to the National Assessment of Educational Progress, the widely-praised “gold standard” of domestic educational testing. Since 2002, the NAEP has run a special program—the TUDA!—in which students in large urban districts are tested in reading and math.

Twenty-one major urban districts now take part in this invaluable program. New York and Chicago? LA, DC and Atlanta? All these cities take part in the program.

The New Orleans schools still don’t.

Given the way our “discourse” works, no one ever asks why that is. But this means that we can’t use the NAEP, our one reliable testing program, to measure the progress of New Orleans public school students. Instead, we’re forced to rely on the ACT, which manifestly wasn’t designed for that purpose.

Why doesn’t New Orleans take part in the NAEP? A person with a skeptical streak will automatically wonder. But given the way our “discourse” works, no one will ever ask that question, certainly not at slacker locales like the New York Times or the Washington Post.

Has a miracle occurred in New Orleans’ schools? We can’t answer that question. But people who promote that idea are forced to refer to ACT scores. Beyond that, they discuss the substantial score gains New Orleans seems to have recorded on Louisiana’s annual statewide tests.

Those score gains may be real! But in recent years, similar score gains have been pimped in other big urban systems where “revolutions” were said to be happening—and those score gains have collapsed in giant cheating scandals.

It happened in DC during the Rhee revolution. It happened in Atlanta, whose superintendent, the late Beverly Hall, was being hailed as a miracle worker.

In each of those systems, we had NAEP scores we could use to track the actual progress of the systems’ students. But local test scores were being inflated by the most despicable forms of flat-out cheating. But alas! Given the way our “discourse” works, no one remembers these recent events at the Times or the Post when enthusiasts arrive on the scene with the latest miracle story.

Let’s be clear: test score by black and Hispanic students have risen, in substantial ways, on the NAEP in the last twenty years. That’s an important fact which routinely gets disappeared at imitation “newspapers” like the Times and the Post.

The latest example occurred this Sunday in the Washington Post. Robert Bobb is a former president of the D.C. Board of Education. Right at the start of an op-ed column, he was singing the same old song:
BOBB (8/30/15): Disparities in educational achievement between low-income minority students and their more affluent peers loom large, despite years of work to close the gap. Some point to this as a reason we should back away from accountability-driven endeavors such as stronger state standards and aligned assessments. In fact, it should motivate us only to redouble those efforts and push boldly forward.

Civil rights leaders and testing opponents have been locked in a fight over this issue. Testing critics say the lack of significant improvement among economically disadvantaged minority students—despite years of standardized testing—proves that tests do little to close the achievement gap and in fact only exacerbate inequity. Civil rights advocates, in turn, argue that the tests provide data essential to understanding the magnitude of the gap in student performance and highlighting the need to fix it.
According to Bobb, we have experienced a “lack of significant improvement among economically disadvantaged minority students” during our “years of standardized testing.”

Why do people like Bobb keep saying such things? We can’t tell you that. But that’s a familiar, gloomy old song—and, according to the NAEP, its claim is flatly false.

At slacker locales like the Washington Post, we never stop hearing that tired old song. It’s a favorite song of corporate elites. They never tire of singing that song. It's their own version of “big pimping.”

What is happening in Big Easy schools? In the absence of NAEP scores, we’re forced to fall back on much less reliable measures.

Advocates are also forced to forget those recent major cheating scandals. Has cheating perhaps occurred in New Orleans too? Given the way our “discourse” works, no one will ever ask.

Might we be a bit more direct? In the broken world of our “journalism,” no one actually seems to care. Journalism barely exists in this land. On various sides of various fences, it’s narrative all the way down.

Tomorrow: More background, this time concerning that study of black kids’ suspensions

50 comments:

  1. "Let’s be clear: test score by black and Hispanic students have risen, in substantial ways, on the NAEP in the last twenty years."

    Lets be clear: I can use this "internet" thingy to get the latest NAEP Long-Term Trend Assessments (2013) which shows you're completely wrong. Blacks and mestizos had some big score increases in the 70s and 80s but other than that you've got 50 pages of flat trendlines, especially at the 17 year old level. So 25 years of a lot of nothing.

    http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/subject/publications/main2012/pdf/2013456.pdf

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    1. Sr. Mestizo, which will be the name I use for the bigot who misuses the term Mestizo constantly, makes a valid point, albeit unintentionally.

      One can use the " 'internet' thingy" to show almost anyone is
      completely wrong. Indeed, one can use educational statistics to prove and disprove almost anything.

      However, the voluntary use of one term which is rarely used for
      another term proves only something about the mindset of the person making that voluntary choice. It proves nothing about the person whose writing attracts such people in increasing numbers, but it does cause readers to wonder.

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    2. Actually Somerby isn't "completely wrong". It depends on which figures you look at, math vs reading, and which grade levels. There are problems with looking at 17 year olds, due to drop outs and who takes the test. At age 17, differences in motivation will have a bigger influence than at age 8 (for example), and the age 17 cohort won't reflect current improvements in teaching methods, curriculum, or interventions like wider access to preschool. So why pick age 17? Reading scores are more flat because they are more strongly influenced by early literacy behaviors in the home (parents reading to kids) and less dependent than math on what happens in school.

      If you have a particular motive for painting a bleak picture, you will of course choose the less optimistic numbers. I think you need to make a case for why the numbers you prefer are right and those used by Somerby are wrong. For example, why shouldn't the scores that best reflect current practices be used for comparison, instead of those that reflect what was done decades ago?

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    3. I picked age 17 because all 9 years olds eventually become 17 year olds. If early-age gains disappear by 17 then they don't matter much. The jump in 9 year olds' scores in '04 should be reflected in the 17 year old scores in '12, but its not.

      @ Sra. Criollo You're a hateful bigot who wants to deny mestizos their language and lived experiences and you just need to SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP!

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    4. The decrease in predictive power (contribution to variance)of any variable over time is a common phenomenon in psychology. For example, there was a great deal of controversy when a longitudinal study found that the impact of early child abuse was greatest in the years immediately following the abuse than at age 20, in early adulthood. Many other factors have an impact over time that wash out the strong effects of any early intervention. That is part of the problem with looking at long term effects of Head Start, for example. Gains in early years become superseded by more immediate influences, positive and negative. You can pick anything (maternal nutrition, piano lessons) and the impact will similarly weaken over time.

      Further, what is measured at age 17 isn't the same as what is measured at age 9. The tests have different questions measuring different achievements. Drop outs are important because age gains don't disappear if the result is that fewer kids are dropping out by age 17 (as is true). Without the gains, more of those kids would have been lost from the cohort and not even measured at all. That more kids are staying in school will depress the means, reducing the gains you seem to expect, because more of the marginally performing will remain in the tested group. So the gains may be having an impact, but not in the way you expect. These intricacies of testing are part of why people who write about education need to have some expertise.

      Sr. Mestizo, please stop trying to troll on topics of race and ethnicity here. You think you are being clever but you are just annoying.

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    5. Sr. Mestizo, I am not denying anyone anything. I am suggesting you are using terminology invented by the Spanish Imperialists for creating a social caste system in the "New" World only because you are the bigot and find it cute to designate anyone who is of Hispanic origin to be racially mixed, which is not the case.

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    6. According to NAEP, high school graduation rates from 1990-2012 are, like a lot of other trends it measures, basically flat:

      http://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator_coi.asp

      Varying graduation rates cannot explain lack of recent gains among 17 year olds.

      And as for "Further, what is measured at age 17 isn't the same as what is measured at age 9. The tests have different questions measuring different achievements." No shit, what does it matter? You either accept the 17 year NAEP test as a valid test for what 17 years olds should know - in which case it tells you there hasn't been any improvement for a long time - or you don't, for reasons. Which is it and why? (oh such intricacies!)

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    7. Seeing people still using "hispanic" in 2015 makes me not want to live on this planet anymore.

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    8. Perhaps KZ will take you when he leaves and drop you at a planet you prefer.

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    9. If we're talking about the ethnicity of Mexicans then "Mayan" might be the most accurate. Sure, there is some anglo admixture at play but no more than you would find in typical african-americans, who themselves do not want to be considered racially mixed. Sorry for the insensitive truth-bomb folks.

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    10. Sr. Meztizo no hablamos del origin etnico de Mejicanos.

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    11. Mexicans descend from a variety of injun people (Aztecs, Otomis, Mayans etc.) and anyways we're not talking about just Mexicans but all injun-derived people south of the border ("injun" is the preferred term for pre-Columbian peoples of the Americas. The term "Native" American delegitimates black, asian and white people who were born in the Americas and is to be avoided.) The purpose of mestizo and the mestizo nation is to bring to consciousness the racial aspect of these people, a beautifully diverse heritage of injun, white and even some black, and to avoid the misleading, ugly, and frankly hateful terms "Hispanic" or "Latino", which falsely equate an Argentine descended from Lithuanian immigrants with a Nahuatl speaking highlander (its disgusting)

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    12. Sr. Mestizo proves why there are few successful conservative comedians.

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  2. Michael Bloomberg praises New Orleans schools, writing

    Almost all schools were freed from the central bureaucracy and converted into charters. Pedagogic power was decentralized to the schools, along with flexibility in setting salaries and work rules and in establishing professional-development programs for teachers.
    Attendance zones were abolished, giving parents choices in where to send their children. Standards were raised, and schools were held accountable for their performance. Those that failed to make progress were replaced by new schools or taken over by more successful charter-school organizations.


    Parental choice of school means a lot to me. It's based on individuals, not averages. Sometimes a specific student is in a specific school situation that isn't working for her. Having another option can be a huge advantage.

    This happened to my daughter. Fortunately, we could afford 3 years of private school. I cannot overestimate how much it meant to get her into a different school. It's great that New Orleans gives the poor some choice of school, not just the rich.

    http://nypost.com/2015/08/29/how-civic-innovation-helped-new-orleans-roar-back/

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    1. Why is it better to change schools instead of working with the principal and teachers to solve whatever the problem is? Does that perhaps teach children to run from their problems instead of solving them? If the difficulty is with the child (e.g., undiagnosed dyslexia, behavior problems), will the stress of changing schools really help and will a delay in finding solutions and having to work with people unfamiliar with the child be helpful to the situation?

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    2. Anon 12:13 -- My wife and I did try working with the principal and teacher. We were strong advocates of public schooling. We had moved to Berkeley, CA specifically because it reputedly had good public schools. Pulling our daughter out of public school was a wrenching decision. We didn't make that decision lightly.

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    3. Your daughter's situation is not any basis to generalize about what is best for children. If your daughter had special needs, I'm glad you were able to get them addressed in a private school. Not all kids have special needs. I am not convinced that "good public schools" cannot meet the needs of even children with learning or social difficulties. But it is easier to externalize the problems and blame the schools than it is to look at the child or family for solutions. Even private schools are wary of parents who "shop" for schools, hopping from one to another, rather than deal with their own kids needs.

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    4. "Why is it better to change schools instead of working with the principal and teachers to solve whatever the problem is?"

      What if the problem is either the principal, the teacher, or both?

      Having followed your commentary regularly I can guarantee that is my child had you as a teacher I would demand a different one. And if the principal would not accommodate us, my child would be plumb out of luck.

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    5. If the problem is the teacher or the principal, you discuss that problem with the school and try to find a way to solve it together. Teachers are expert resources working WITH parents to help their kids. Principals are open to discussing problems concerning their teachers. If they don't get feedback from parents, it is hard for them to improve teaching. School boards and administrators are open to discussing problems parents encounter with principals.

      Parents who want to micromanage their kids educations are not preparing them to live in a world where they will interact with people of all kinds, with foibles, strengths and weaknesses, and different approaches to things. A kid who doesn't have the chance to encounter a variety of teachers will be unable to cope with college and work environments, where one cannot choose one's supervisor and coworkers.

      I teach college. If you think you, as parent, can tell college professors to do anything, or that your remarks to a department chair will have any impact whatsoever, you live in fantasyland. Helicopter parents like you prevent their kids from learning how to cope with a world that does not revolve around them.

      You clearly have no idea how to evaluate a teacher's effectiveness. That's part of the problem -- why should parents have the right to demand different teachers when they haven't a clue whether a teacher is doing a good job or not?

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    6. "You clearly have no idea how to evaluate a teacher's effectiveness."

      I clearly have you pegged as an idiot. Correctly.

      But thanks for the additional example of why Somerby is constantly deriding your profession, Professor.

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    7. IMHO a big part of the problem in Berkeley was centralization. More precisely, principals and teachers were burdened with too many requirements from the city, state and federal governments. No doubt each one was well-intended, but the combination was paralyzing. Just complying with all the requirements took all the teacher's and principal's energy. There was little flexibility remaining to deal with the specific problems of one individual student.

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    8. Does the Bloomberg Foundation sponsor you too, Dinky?

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  3. OMB (Fall Rituals Arouse Suspicion from the OTB)

    We love flying by the orbit of your flailing planet during the season when those who worship educational statistics pour over them like your ancient Greeks reveled in messages from animal entrails.

    Your OTB is a perfect example of those who devote great time to spreading mounds of data into preferred memes. Such zealots can even spread the absence of data into signs of sinister suspicion.

    Today that is the Sermon of BOB. Suspicion in the Crescent City Schools. Do not believe OWMBR (One Who May Be Right) in this case the Pimp of Louisiana School Propaganda for he lacks the magic NAEP data with which the OTB (One True Bob) can apply his magical Rough Thumbs and assess true progress from the purveyors of prostitution. Preaches the OTB:

    "... New Orleans doesn’t take part in the NAEP! And yes, that makes us a bit suspicious:

    We refer, of course, to the National Assessment of Educational Progress, the widely-praised “gold standard” of domestic educational testing. Since 2002, the NAEP has run a special program—the TUDA!—in which students in large urban districts are tested in reading and math.

    Twenty-one major urban districts now take part....

    The New Orleans schools still don’t.

    Given the way our “discourse” works, no one ever asks why that is."

    Alas, Oh Great and Thumb Stuck BOB! We asked. You could have too!

    New Orleans does not participate in the NAEP TUDA program because it is not eligible to do so. At least according to those who run the program.

    https://www.nagb.org/policies/list-tuda-districts.html

    Which makes us suspicious you may be pimping too. But you and your teeny tiny band of thumb suckers knew that already, didn't you?

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    1. Go away KZ

      "New Orleans does not participate in the NAEP TUDA program because it is not eligible to do so. At least according to those who run the program."

      That doesn't prevent news reporters from inquiring about why and explaining it to readers.

      But you only care about attacking Somerby. It is nice when you are gone -- please leave.

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    2. My poor offended Thumb Sucker.

      If the great and powerful OTB seems to suggest reporters should question writers of Letters to the Editor and Op-Ed pieces about their not selecting data which is unavailable and then reporting on it to their readers, then of course you would comment that it should be so.

      We only care about attacking Somerby? The BOB, of course must only cares to suggest to his readers that reporters are often assigned to question writers of letters to the editor and op-eds. Because his crack readers, wanting to be skeptics like the OTB himself, will wonder why data that isn't there. And like the BOB, they will attack the press, instead of the BOB, who is an expert in these matters and could have told them.

      We are glad you notice we have been gone. We only appear at times like these, when BOB is demonstrating his fascination which educational statistics. Others around here seem to see us in every other anonymous comment.
      Perhaps this is because they want the critics of the OTB to be as small as his hardy band of Thumb Suckers.

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  4. Did anyone notice that we went from Monday, August 31st, to Tuesday, September 2nd?

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    1. Does this matter a lot to you?

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    2. It matters a bit to me that he said "we went." I didn't. Somerby did. He went along with Somerby, and seems curious if others noticed. I did.

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    3. Nonesday, September 1 is the anniversary of Back to School Coverage in the Howler.

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  5. Why wouldn't school test scores go up if you eliminated the poorest African American students from the city's pool of students? Those are the people of the 9th Ward who left and never found their ways back.

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  6. Bob,
    You are skeptical about what the results cited by Supt. White mean. These include his imprecision in describing the comparisons he makes; the impact on test results of the reduced student population; the ACT vs the NAEP results (NAEP results not available in Louisiana). Plus the fact that local results (ACT?) in DC (Rhee) and Atlanta (Hall) were shown to involve cheating.
    As a reader for the last several years it's apparent that you place a higher value in the NAEP results than any other test. I've read where you said that achievement levels, as measured by NAEP, have improved nationally over the last 20(?) years. And that NAEP is less likely to involve cheating than local testing (ACT?).
    You say in your post that both Atlanta & DC took part in the NAEP. What did DC & Atlanta show as results for the non-local (NAEP) tests?
    Do they show improvement? If the districts did show gains were the administrators able to manipulate those scores also?

    I do not expect a response in comments, but in your subsequent posts I hope you are more comprehensive in your analyses.
    If you don't then I may have to suspect that you, also, tailor the facts to match your opinions.

    I remain,
    Your musical correspondent,
    LG

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    Hello My name is Kathie Sherine, Am from USA, Texas. and I am very happy for posting on this blog on how a great spell caster helped me in bringing back the love of my life. I know there are lots of women like me out there who have done so much to have back their Husband, I am here to tell you all to search no further because the answer is right here. I sincerely believe if there are up to five spell casters like Dr Eboehi this world would be a better place, I have seen people complaining on how fake spell castes promised to help them but couldn't but with Dr Eboehi I tell you your problem is solved already. My Husband and I had been apart for 3 YEARS and I couldn't bear without living without him, I have tried everything to have him back but nothing was working until I saw numerous testimonies about a spell caster called Dr Eboehi and how great his work is. I contacted him via email (eboehispellcaster@yahoo.com) immediately and follow the step that he ask and in the next 48 hours my lover called me and was eager for my forgiveness and that he wished nothing more than to have me in his arms forever. I filled so much joy and happiness that I found Dr Eboehi, I hope you all here will find this testimony of mine and get your husband back in just 48 hours thanks... contact his email: eboehispellcaster@yahoo.com or call (208) 627-4749

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  10. My name is SERENA WILLIAMS, am from UK. i want to use this opportunity to thank my great doctor who really made my life a pleasurable one today. This great man DR.EWAN brought my husband back to me, i had three lovely kids for my husband, about four years ago i and my husband has been into one quarrel or the other until he finally left me for one lady. i felt life was over and my kids thought they would never see their father again. i tried to be strong just for the kids but i could not control the pains that torments my heart, my heart was filled with sorrows and pains because i was really in love with my husband. Every day and night i think of him and always wish he would come back to me, until one day i met a good friend of mine that was also in a situation like me but her problem was her ex-boyfriend who she had an unwanted pregnancy for and he refused to take responsibility and dumped her. she told me that mine was a small case and that i should not worry about it at all, so i asked her what was the solution to my problems and she gave me this great man email address. i was doubting if this man was the solution, so i contacted this great man and he told me what to do and i did them all, he told me to wait for just two day and that my husband will come crawling on his kneels just for forgiveness so i faithfully did what this great man asked me to do and for sure after two days i heard a knock on the door, in a great surprise i saw him on his kneels and i was speechless, when he saw me, all he did was crying and asking me for forgiveness, from that day, all the pains and sorrows in my heart flew away,since then i and my husband and our lovely kids are happy.that's why i want to say a big thank you to DR.EWAN spiritual temple. This great man made me to understand that there is no problem on earth that has no solution so please if you know that you have this same problem or any problem that is similar, i will advise you to come straight to this great man. you can email him at:covenantsolutiontemple@gmail.com, you can still call him on his mobile number +2347052958531 SERENAWILLIAMSuk@gmail.com

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  11. My husband cheated on me for Almost three years. he ignore me for several months and left me with nothing, but i am happy today that Chief Nwaluta brought my husband back, I am so happy, Now my husband is all mine again. I can now say I'm happy again. Great spell from Chief Nwaluta, Chief Nwaluta is genuine. I truly believe in him and his spells. he is a professional. , My name is Sandra Gault and I live in Bryan Texas, My husband and i got married for more than 11 years and have gotten two kids. thing were going well with us and we are always happy. until one day my husband started to behave in a way i could not understand, i was very confused by the way he treat me and the kids. later that month he did not come home again and he called me that he want a divorce, i asked him what have i done wrong to deserve this from him, all he was saying is that he want a divorce that he hate me and do not want to see me again in his life, i was mad and also frustrated do not know what to do,i was sick for more than 2 weeks because of the divorce. i love him so much he was everything to me without him my life is incomplete. i told my sister and she told me to contact a spell caster, i never believe in all this spell casting of a thing. i just want to try if something will come out of it. i contacted Chief Nwaluta for the return of my husband to me, they told me that my husband have been taken by another woman, that she cast a spell on him that is why he hate me and also want us to divorce. then they told me that they have to cast a spell on him that will make him return to me and the kids, they casted the spell and after 1 week my husband called me and he told me that i should forgive him, he started to apologize on phone and said that he still love me that he did not know what happen to him that he left me. it was the spell that he Chief Nwaluta casted on him that make him come back to me today,me and my family are now happy again today. thank you Chief Nwaluta for what you have done for me i would have been nothing today if not for your great spell. i want you my friends who are passing through all this kind of love problem of getting back their husband, wife , or ex boyfriend and girlfriend to contact Chief Nwaluta,if you need his help you can contact him through his private E-mail:{ Nwalutaspelltemple@gmail.com } or you can contact him through his Web site :http://nwalutaspelltemple.blogspot.com. Thanks you Chief Nwaluta.

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  12. I want the world to know a great man that is well known as Dr Miracle,he has the perfect solution to relationship issues and marriage problems. The main reason why i went to Dr Miracle was for solution on how i can get my husband back because in recent times i have read some testimonies on the internet which some people has written about Dr Miracle and i was so pleased and i decided to seek for assistance from him on his email (MIRACLESPELLHOME@YAHOO.COM) which he did a perfect job by casting a spell on my husband which made him to come back to me and beg for forgiveness.I will not stop publishing his name on the net because of the good work he is doing. I will drop his contact for the usefulness of those that needs his help.His Email Dr miracles"CONTACT via EMAIL:MIRACLESPELLHOME@YAHOO.COM You can contact him today and get your problem solved.Call +2348071398555.." or you can also contact him through his website http://miraclespellhome.wix.com/dr-miracles

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  13. I want the world to know a great man that is well known as Dr Miracle,he has the perfect solution to relationship issues and marriage problems. The main reason why i went to Dr Miracle was for solution on how i can get my husband back because in recent times i have read some testimonies on the internet which some people has written about Dr Miracle and i was so pleased and i decided to seek for assistance from him on his email (MIRACLESPELLHOME@YAHOO.COM) which he did a perfect job by casting a spell on my husband which made him to come back to me and beg for forgiveness.I will not stop publishing his name on the net because of the good work he is doing. I will drop his contact for the usefulness of those that needs his help.His Email Dr miracles"CONTACT via EMAIL:MIRACLESPELLHOME@YAHOO.COM You can contact him today and get your problem solved.Call +2348071398555.." or you can also contact him through his website http://miraclespellhome.wix.com/dr-miracles

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  14. After being in relationship with Wilson for seven years,he broke up with me, I did everything possible to bring him back but all was in vain, I wanted him back so much because of the love I have for him, I begged him with everything, I made promises but he refused. I explained my problem to someone online and she suggested that I should contact a spell caster that could help me cast a spell to bring him back but I am the type that don't believed in spell, I had no choice than to try it, I meant a spell caster called dr clement and I email him, and he told me there was no problem that everything will be okay before three days, that my ex will return to me before three days, he cast a powerful spell on my ex and surprisingly in the second day, it was around 4pm, My ex called me, surprisingly, I answered the call and all he said was that he was so sorry for everything that happened, that he wanted me back to him, that he loves me so much. I was so happy and went to him, that was how we started living together happily again. Since then, I have made promise that anybody that has a relationship problem, he we be a help to such person by referring him or her to the only real and powerful spell caster who helped me with my own problem and who is different from all the fake ones out there. Anybody could need the help of the spell caster, his email:drakugbespellhome1@gmail.com you can email him if you need his assistance in your relationship or any kind of problem, thank you once again dr for bring my husband back to me .I can never stop talking about you sir you can email him for your own help his email is drakugbespellhome1@gmail.com

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  15. Dr Malaika doesn’t ask for testimonies and he doesn’t charge. His email is odogwumalaika@gmail.com He is genuine and people get to meet him by luck.
    But right now am your luck if you meet him. Every other testimonies of spell casters you read here are scams.
    Dr Malaika lives in Nigeria and I happened to meet him by chance after a friend told me about how he brought back
    her ex and restored her lost womb. She also told me about how Dr Malaika cures all forms of illness ranging from
    HIV to Cancer, Fibroid, and Infertility and also Money spells. I followed those other internet testimonies and was
    hugely scammed to the extent that I wanted to kill myself. Dr Malaika turned my situation around, He made my ex
    come crawling on his knees to have him back. His email address is odogwumalaika@gmail.com , mobile: +2347065448120
    but please don’t make him know that I published
    him on net. He is just wonderful and I wish whoever that finds him good luck.

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  16. Dr Malaika doesn’t ask for testimonies and he doesn’t charge. His email is odogwumalaika@gmail.com He is genuine and people get to meet him by luck.
    But right now am your luck if you meet him. Every other testimonies of spell casters you read here are scams.
    Dr Malaika lives in Nigeria and I happened to meet him by chance after a friend told me about how he brought back
    her ex and restored her lost womb. She also told me about how Dr Malaika cures all forms of illness ranging from
    HIV to Cancer, Fibroid, and Infertility and also Money spells. I followed those other internet testimonies and was
    hugely scammed to the extent that I wanted to kill myself. Dr Malaika turned my situation around, He made my ex
    come crawling on his knees to have him back. His email address is odogwumalaika@gmail.com , mobile: +2347065448120
    but please don’t make him know that I published
    him on net. He is just wonderful and I wish whoever that finds him good luck.

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  17. NOW I DON’T WANNA TALK ABOUT MY LIFE BUT I HAVE FOLLOWED MOST OF THESE CRAPS AND GOT USED.
    MOST OF THESE PEOPLE TELLING YOU BEWARE THIS BEWARE THAT ARE BUNCH OF CRAPS AND SCAMS.
    I SEE MOST OF THEM COPYING AND EDITING MY TESTIMONY TO SCAM YOU BUT YOU HAVE TO BE DAMN SURE..
    THE ONLY MAN YOU CAN ACTUALLY TRUST ON SPELL IS DR MALAIKA HIS EMAIL IS odogwumalaika@gmail.com,
    I WOULD HAVE BROUGHT HIM RIGHT HERE IN THE STATES IF POSSIBLE.
    HE DID A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS WHICH I WON’T REALLY MENTION HERE BUT THE MOST OF WHAT HE DID FOR ME WAS HELP ME OUT OF CANCER
    AND ALSO HELPED ME GOT BACK MY JOB AND MY MARRIAGE. HE IS GREAT AND I MET HIM OVER THE INTERNET JUST AS EVERY OTHER PERSON HAS TESTIFIED
    BUT HE IS ACTUALLY REAL AND A VERY GOOD SPELL CASTER. I’M STILL VERY MUCH INDEBTED TO DR MALAIKA FOR SAVING MY LIFE
    AND MY MARRIAGE. I WANT TO LET YA ALL KNOW THAT YOU DON’T HAVE TO TRY ANYBODY ELSE EXCEPT THIS DUDE.
    HIS EMAIL CONTACT IS odogwumalaika@gmail.com THE MOBILE IS +2347065448120

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  18. Greeting Am Marian Lucy by name and i am located in Usa ,I recently saw a testimony about a spell caster of some sort in a blog I visit for relationship and dating counseling problems because i had been having serious problems with my boyfriend and we had been dating for 2 year, He just suddenly changed, He wasn't returning my calls, He started cheating, He was hurting me in so many ways i never thought possible and I just thought I should try this spell caster called Dr happy Cos there are so many good comments about him on the website, But before i could read his post,I have already contacted many spell caster that cheated me out of my hard earned money without given me result.But when i meet this spell caster out of desperation of some sort.I decided to contact them to please render there help to me, I explained all the problems that i was going through to him and he told me all i needed to do to get this spell castes. At first everything felt dreamy and unbelievable, Their consultations and solution was a little bit easy and strange and I was scared a little cos I had read and heard lots of stories of fake spell casters, scams and i never really believed in magic. I played along with a little hope and faith and I was sent some few stuffs after everything and it worked like a miracle, everything went to a whole new direction, it was and is amazing. I guess it was all good faith that made me read That particular post that faithful day.I hope they could help other people too like they did to me. I did a little and I got everything I wanted and wished for, My husband, My family and my life back You can contact Dr happy at: happylovespell2@gmail.com because he changed my life

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  19. Hello, is good I inform all the men and guys out there, that sometime we all make mistakes in our relationship and made our relationship to be broken and is also our responsibility to make it work by seeking for solution to it, I'm very happy today to tell you little of my relationship problem, i cheated once on my wife and she caught me and she was ready to end our marriage because i truly love her i quickly seek for solution to stop her that is when i came across Dr.Ekpen temple who has help so many people restore their broken marriage and relationship i also contact him today my marriage is restored, I'm going to drop his contact so that does having the same issues can contact him for solution on (ekpentemple@gmail.com) or +2347050270218.

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  20. All thanks to Madu Temple for all the support and help with the extreme bad situation with my marriage and Finance. We are working everything out now and I am so grateful for that. Want to thank you the Binding Love Spell from you worked out well. I am very grateful for all your efforts and hard work.
    I will advice any one who is in love trauma , Financial difficulty, Child bearing and so many more , You could contact Dr. Madu to on his email: maduutemple@gmail.com or his Whatsapp : +2348107547068 for his nice spell work.

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  21. WOW.WOW.WOW…After four months DR BELLO cured me from hepatitis b,after my testimony at the church, a member of my church ask for DR BELLO EMAIL ADDRESS.that she was diagnosed with herpes HSV-2 that she need a cure so i gave her the email address : ADEYEMIBELLO1990@GMAIL.COM OR CALL +2348107996445, so she contacted DR BELLO again,so she followed the process ,purchased the herbal medicine and the herbal medicine was sent to her ,after two weeks,she went to see her family doctor for check up,then the doctor confirm that she is negative now .wow wow wow ,doctor BELLO is a great herbalist ,he has confirm 3 patients now that i know of ,pls dont neglect this post is real ,and true …

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  22. THANKS TO DR BELLO WHO CURED ME ON HEPATITIS B, WITH HIS HERBS AND SPELL, I SUFFERED FOR OVER TWO YEARS. IN CASE YOU WANT TO CONTACT HIM, CALL HIM WITH THE FOLLOWING NUMBER +2348107996445 OR EMAIL HIM ON: ADEYEMIBELLO1990@GMAIL.COM

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  23. Hello friends my name is Mary Kathy , i live in U S A. I am out here to testify the good works of Dr.Ogumen in My life,and now my life is back !!! After 2 years of Broken marriage, my husband left me with two kids, I felt like ending it all. I came across several testimonies about this particular spell caster. Some people testified that he brought their Ex lover back, some testified that he restores womb and cure cancer,and other sickness, some testified that he can cast a spell to stop divorce and also spell to get a good paid job. He is amazing, i also come across one particular testimony, it was about a woman called Catherine, she testified about how he brought back her Ex lover in less than 3days, and at the end of her testimony she dropped his email. After reading all these, I decided to give him a try. I contacted him on via email and explained my problem to him. and he told me what i needed to do, and i did just as he instructed. In just 3day, my husband came back to me. We resolved our issues, and we are even happier than ever before. Dr.Ogumen you are a gifted man and i will not stop publishing him because he is a wonderful man. If you have any problem and you are looking for a real and genuine spell caster, Try him anytime, he is the answer to your problems. You can contact him and get your problems solved today! His direct cell number:+2348112060028 you can also add him on whatsapp:+23470
    64358629 Email:ogumensolutioncenter@yahoo.com

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