Supplemental: Tapper and Bash let the good times roll!

THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 17, 2015

Few shaky claims left behind:
Among other qualifications for greatness, Carly Fiorina seems to have a rich imagination. We were puzzled when she said this during last night’s debate:
FIORINA (9/16/15): As regards Planned Parenthood, anyone who has watched this videotape, I dare Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama to watch these tapes, watch a fully formed fetus on the table, its heart beating, its legs kicking while someone says we have to keep it alive to harvest its brain. This is about the character of our nation and if we will not stand up and force President Obama to veto this bill, shame on us.
Can something like that be seen in the famous Planned Parenthood tapes? The claim didn’t seem familiar to us. But Fiorina seemed both convinced and convincing.

At Vox, Sarah Kliff performed this fact-check of Fiorina's claim,
with an important Update. At the Washington Post Fact Checker site, Glenn Kessler and Michelle Ye Hee Lee have covered the same material.

Basically, there seems to be no such videotape from a Planned Parenthood facility. On some sort of videotape—Vox and the Post don’t quite agree on what it is—there is an interview with a technician who says she took part in a similar scene somewhere, in some sort of situation which doesn’t quite get defined.

That said, interviews with technicians aren’t the same thing as videotapes, and the claims that get made in such interviews aren’t always accurate. Just consider all the embellished personal claims from last night, as listed by Kessler and Lee.

Meanwhile, does the technician ever say that the event in which she says she took part took place in connection with Planned Parenthood? Not that we could see on the tape, although it’s possible that we missed some sort of attribution.

Fiorina seems to have a tendency to embellish, preferably with an air of grievance. Sadly, CNN’s moderators seemed to have little interest in questioning, checking or verifying factual claims last night.

You can’t blame Tapper and Bash (actual names!) for lacking encyclopedic knowledge of the contents of those doctored Planned Parenthood tapes. That said, everyone knows that the authenticity of those tapes has been widely called into question.

Other claims about the contents of those tapes seemed to be baldly inaccurate. Unless we missed it, Tapper and Bash never stepped in to question or challenge such claims, or to question the general reliability of the heavily edited tapes.

We had a similar reaction to Tapper and Bash’s permissive conduct as factual claims were tossed about concerning the Iran deal. It was pretty much no bogus claim left behind as the permissive cable news pair let the hopefuls utter whatever pleasing claims they liked.

Debates are much like interviews. In theory, moderators should challenge or question factual claims which seem shaky or false on their face. Tapper and Bash didn’t seem to play it that way last night.

Journalistic norms are dying, one by one, within the remnants of our “press corps.” Last night, Tapper and Bash gave Simi Valley a bit of a wild west feel.

Meanwhile and needless to say: Meanwhile and needless to say, Mika was gushing today about Carly, the “breakout star.”

She was “pitch perfect, a star, like a breakout star,” Mika excitedly said on Morning Joe. “My God, I have never seen anyone like her. Ever.”

Remember—Mika’s normal job on Morning Joe is pretending that she doesn’t hate Clinton, even as she plays along with every claim by her crazoid partner.

This morning, Mika’s love was real. The MRC has the full dope.

26 comments:

  1. "embellished"

    Gimme a break!

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    1. Where would you like it?

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    2. You could start with your own neck.

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  2. 'Tapper and Bash' - that does rather sound like the latest ITV crime drama

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  3. Speaking of embellished, if it weren't for that rack hers, there'd be no reason to watch the show.

    Crude sexism aside, just let reporters dare to challenge any candidate on their fabulisms. They'll lie right back at them without registering a single spike on the polygraph. Moreover, they'll feign outrage over the press exceeding it's constitutional authority. What? The court interpreting the law? Why, that's the same as Making Law! What? Challenging my facts? Why, that's the same thing as Making news. Your job is to take down what I say! How dare you try to stand between me and my benighted public!

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  4. Last time out Fiorina made a name for herself calling Hillary Clinton a liar, this time out she referenced, in detail, a video that apparently doesn't exist. Projection?

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    1. No apparently. It doesn't.

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    2. cicero's blowup dollSeptember 18, 2015 at 7:50 PM

      More incredible was Jake Tapper's imitation of a potted plant after Fiorina pulled the fetus chop shop BS out of her a$$.

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  5. MEka was gushing about Sarah Palin in '08.

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  6. "Fiorina seems to have a tendency to embellish, preferably with an air of grievance. Sadly, CNN’s moderators seemed to have little interest in questioning, checking or verifying factual claims last night."

    The important thing here is at least Rachel Maddow feels better and finally got her way allowing Carly to join the varsity debate.

    Speaking of true Howlers, how 'bout the one JEB(!) told about his brother keeping our country safe!! I didn't know JEB(!) had such a sense of humor.

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    1. OMG, will 'W' need to be avenged just as Poppy needed to be avenged in Iraq? What clueless, rash act of stupidity would that require?

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  7. The are times when one has to trust other people. This isn't one of them. One source supports Fiorina, saying,
    As for Fiorina’s quote, she is likely referring to the entirety of the 10 videos, including the seventh video released by the Center for Medical Progress. Watch the full video for yourself. It does, in fact, show a fully formed fetus, heart beating and legs kicking. And it shows this while Holly O’Donnell, a former organ harvester who worked for StemExpress at a Planned Parenthood affiliate, graphically discuss the harvesting of a brain from a baby whose heart was beating.
    http://thefederalist.com/2015/09/17/watch-the-video-planned-parenthood-and-its-media-allies-deny-exists/

    Bob could find out whether Fiorina's claim is true by watching the videos himself.

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    1. That isn't the same as anyone at Planned Parenthood doing it, which is what Fiorina said happened. And you haven't addressed the problem with the doctoring of the videos.

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    2. There's total prevaricating loons, and then there's Dinky.

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    3. OK, I give up. David is a troll.

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  8. Had the pleasure of voting against Fiorina when she ran for Senate several years ago. It IS her persona. A heartless plutocrat.

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    1. "a heartless, lying plutocrat."

      FTFY

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    2. She has demon sheep eyes.

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  9. The goal of the CNN "reporters" was not information it was to create antagonism among the candidates. Every question seemed to start with, "Candidate A, Candidate B says you spend your leisure time drowning kittens, how do you respond?" Frankly, CNN actually made the Fox debate appear intelligent.

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  10. "watch a fully formed fetus on the table, its heart beating, its legs kicking while someone says we have to keep it alive to harvest its brain."

    Great setup - I love horror movies!

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    1. But I'm pretty sure Cronenberg already did this...

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  11. http://thefederalist.com/2015/09/17/watch-the-video-planned-parenthood-and-its-media-allies-deny-exists/

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