Donald J. Trump, The Big He, JFK!

FRIDAY, OCTOBER 14, 2016

Where the non-discourse stands:
Is it possible that Ben Carson could be ever-so-tinily right?

During this year's primary campaign, Carson helped show the world how The Culture of Crazy has metastasized all through the discourse. To some extent, he kept it up on today's Morning Joe, the cable program where sanity, clarity and good faith go to die each day.

To watch this morning's segment with Carson, click here.

In our view, Carson's a nightmare manifestation of The Creeping Big Crazy. That said, we couldn't help sympathizing with his claim that the focus on Donald J. Trump's historical groping is keeping us from discussing the real issues in this campaign.

For the record, Donald J. Trump's historical groping is a real issue, at least of a type. That said, we have a hard time discussing such issues, except when such an issue gets tangled up in a presidential campaign.

Other than that, it doesn't much seem that we care.

Meanwhile, it's perfectly clear that we're incapable of discussing anything else, even in a presidential campaign. Our press corps wasn't even willing to discuss Trump's history of birtherism for the first fifteen months of this campaign. If the conduct doesn't involve sex or sexual aggression, our tiny small brains are no longer capable of focusing for more than a very few seconds.

Meanwhile, it's plain that we're going to discuss Donald J. Trump's historical groping for the rest of this campaign. No other topic will ever intrude. As a people, we're no longer capable of discussing anything else. Nothing could be more plain.

Let's be honest for once; sexual-themed misconduct/violence fires us up! (Check the exciting TV ad for The Girl on the Train. Dragged away by her very full head of hair! Accepted as delicious.) We know how to react to nothing else. By way of contrast, our cable entertainers will now be pseudo-discussing this topic all night, every night, for the next three-plus weeks.

Plus, they'll read the new polls.

In a small tiny way, we sympathized with Carson's complaint today. That said, we've been struck by how inept we are, even at discussing Donald J. Trump's historical groping.

All over CNN and MSNBC last night, we were told about the wonders of Michelle Obama's speech. No one seemed to have any idea how that speech will appear to those on The Other Side, not without valid reason.

With great passion, Michelle Obama was saying we can't allow a groper to get into the White House. What message will that send the kids, she asked. On its face, that looked like a sensible question.

Here's the problem. Over on The Other Side, everyone thinks that's what we're doing if we let the Clintons back in! What does Michelle Obama think about that? There's no chance she'll ever tell you. Over on The Other Side, people are noticing that.

Our team is skilled at reciting our current script: Bill Clinton isn't running for president. That's technically accurate, of course. But we don't seem to have any idea how this current state of affairs may look on The Other Side.

Please understand: those on The Other Side believe that Bill Clinton is an historical groper, and a rapist to boot. They've been told this for years and years. Now they're also being told that Hillary Clinton attacked the women her husband groped and raped.

Our team is too dumb to understand, or to care about, the way these claims have spread. We're too dumb to see the way the New York Times plays both ends against the middle with such delicious fare. We're too phony to ask ourselves if people like Broaddrick, Willey and Flowers could possibly be telling the truth. (For the record, Flowers has never claimed any misconduct by Bill Clinton. After all, her Bill was the only man she ever loved.)

In recent days, we've seen our corporate chew-toys go on CNN and MSNBC and pretend to "fact check" their claims. Our team is too dumb, and too uncaring, to see how poorly they do with this task. We're happy to yell at Donald J. Trump for his historical groping. We're too phony to confront, or care about, the way The Other Team feels about corresponding claims concerning William J. Clinton.

Personally, we regard Willey and Flowers as extremely non-credible accusers. But last week, the New York Times built Flowers' credibility up in an absurdly selective, 2900-word piece which appeared on page one. They even pimped Connie Hamzy!

Our weak-minded "liberal" boys didn't say a word. Dearest darlings, use your heads! It simply isn't done!

Just this morning, we saw Ari Melber pretending to explain and fact-check Willey's claims. He wasn't willing to tell his viewers that the Ken Starr gang formally reported that they considered charging her with perjury, she'd lied to them so much. He certainly didn't mention the time when Willey and Chris Matthews teamed up in a wildly irresponsible way to make a false accusation on the air, a provably false and crazy claim which almost got journalist [Name Withheld] killed.

(Pat Buchanan's brother, who was mentally ill, went to the journalist's house with a gun, where he was arrested. You see, Willey had been pretty sure that the journalist murdered her cat, as a warning. Matthews said the journalist's name for her on the air. As it turned out, the journalist had been in California on the night of the alleged murder. The grotesquely irresponsible Matthews is still a big corporate star.)

At any rate, the Starr gang formally said that they considered charging Willey with perjury? Our career players don't care enough to bother with information like that. They know that we'll accept whatever porridge they serve us. It's all about killing time for the hour. No one actually cares.

The Other Side has been told for years that Bill Clinton is a rapist. They've now been told, again and again, that Hillary Clinton savaged her husband's accusers.

We're too lazy to explain why those claims are wrong; to faux to wonder if such claims are right; too haughty to talk to People Like Them, who now believe these claims, especially in the face of our endless silence. In short, we're very unimpressive people. Despite the mountains of misinformation they've swallowed, people in The Other Tribe can sometimes spot this fact.

On Wednesday morning, the New York Times ran a front-page report about Trump supporters' view of the groping/assault charges. We sympathized with the people who made these remarks:
GABRIEL (10/12/16): There were equal numbers of women and men at the rally, and many dismissed as insignificant Mr. Trump’s private comments, caught on the 2005 recording, about being able to grab women by their genitals because he was a “star.”

“When all this baloney came out about Trump, I understand it’s a scandal,” said Brenda Stchur, 56, a Democrat from Hudson, Pa., who supports Mr. Trump. “But John F. Kennedy wasn’t innocent, either, and everyone loves John F. Kennedy.”

Marilyn Sevigny, a retiree from Lake Ariel, Pa., said that “as a woman, I don’t like what he said, I’m not defending it.” But she added that there was a double standard at work. “If a Democrat says it, it’s just words. If a Republican says it, it’s an assault,” she said.
We're sorry, but there is a double standard at work. There was a double standard at work in Michelle Obama's speech, where she begged voters to keep Trump out of the White House without ever saying how she regards the claims about Bill Clinton.

And yes, there's long been a double standard at work concerning President Kennedy. According to her well-written memoir, Mimi Alford really was a White House intern when she was sexually mugged by Kennedy after being procured by an aide. (She was 19, and sexually inexperienced.)

In large part because she isn't angry or a hater, Alford's book is extremely affecting. No one really seems to think it isn't true. Within the crackpot corporate realm which our team accepts from MSNBC, Chris Matthews has always adored his JFK, but spent years savaging the Clintons and Gore while fawning to Bill Clinton's more lunatic accusers.

He then pulled a full 180 when the bosses told him to do so. We're so pitifully undergrown that he is allowed to play this way without a question asked. He's always loved his JFK, thought Bill Clinton was vile.

Our team is untidy, undergrown, basically mush-headed, foul. The Others think we're very bad people. Although they've been disinformed about almost everything, on that point it isn't clear that The Others are wrong.

Our team is happy loathing The Others. We aren't prepared to go where they live and make an attempt to explain. They might insist on talking back! And as HRC made clear that night, we regard them as irredeemable, foul.

Do you think Bill Clinton did all those things? Here within our glorious tribe, why the heck does nobody ask? Isn't it abundantly clear that we don't actually care?

Tomorrow: Bill Clinton among the wretched of the earth

37 comments:

  1. There is a difference
    JFK and Clinton were already elected before their acts were made public.
    Would they have been elected if these things were known?
    Meanwhile European laugh at what Americans (USAians) think is scandalous.

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  2. There is a difference
    JFK and Clinton were already elected before their acts were made public.
    Would they have been elected if these things were known?
    Meanwhile European laugh at what Americans (USAians) think is scandalous.

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  3. I am female and I care a lot about whether I am groped or not. I care whether random men kiss me on my mouth. I care whether they use my gender against me in job applications if they decide I am not "hot" enough.

    This a major issue to me and to many other women and it is not sidetracking the campaign or distracting from the issues for us -- it is an important issue. We are 50% of the electorate, 50% of those governed by the next President. Our issues should be considered as important because it is directly related to why women are not elected to public office in large numbers, why they are underrepresented at the top of business organizations and so on.

    This matters to us and it should matter more to Somerby too.

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    1. I think Somerby's point is that, from Ben Carson's perspective, Trump's awful sexuality has made all other issues moot. There are many important issues, but sex trumps the mundane things like economic and healthcare and military policy etc.

      I doubt Bill Clinton was the same as Donald Trump when it came to sexual assault, but I do know that most Fox news watchers and a fair number of democrats as well (Megan Twohey)do believe that Bill Clinton is a rapist/sexual assaulter and Hillary was his enabler. The question is--how to to talk to the 30-40 percent of the country that hates the Clintons with exactly the same righteous intensity that so many of us feel toward Donald Trump.

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    2. Talking to those people is pointless because they won't allow facts change their strongly held beliefs. They have a rigid frame that they use to interpret events, media, etc., and your attempt to change that frame will meet with failure. Recent research points to the futility of your endeavor.

      Bob's attempts to change discourse are bound to fail until the very large financial incentives that drive the media's editorial decisions change. There is also a narrative of objectivity that modern journalist carry with them like a shield to defend themselves from bias charges, and that sure as shining isn't going to change as long as there is a rich and powerful set of non-traditional media actors telling their readers/viewers that the traditional media us biased.

      Recently, a conservative radio host admitted that radio host like him, have built an audience that is impervious to objective reality. He's retiring because he sees no point in interacting with an audience that refuses to acknowledge fact.

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    3. Then it should matter to you that the allegations against Bill Clinton be taken seriously as well.

      Oh that's right. Trump bad; Clinton good.

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    4. Bill Clinton engaged in consensual sexual activities. There is no evidence otherwise, just ugly smears. His behavior may be immoral (depending on your views) but was not illegal. Donald Trump has admitted to engaging in sexual assault. Several of the allegations against him are substantiated and consistent with his own admissions. That behavior is a crime.

      People do take allegations against Bill Clinton seriously. No one calls them good. But Trump has broken the law. There is no comparison between the two.

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  5. On-point-Bob.

    That is your understood moniker, even by detractors.

    You're one of the few operators keeping alive the idea of recent historical media behavior, and the extent to which it influences the hoi palloi.

    The best mainstream operators don't even know they're doing it. Thanks for continually pointing that out.

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  6. The actions by JFK were well known to reporters before he was elected to office. There was an agreement not to report on personal behavior. It was also considered normal for men to behave badly in previous decades. The women's movement of the 70s tried to change that.

    No one condones what JFK did. No one condones what FDR did, to the point of openly cohabiting with his mistress outside the White House. But it was a different time then.

    Bill Clinton is not a rapist just because the right fever swamp proclaims him to be one. No one is going to convince Trump supporters that Clinton wasn't a rapist either. I see no reason for Michelle Obama to address those unsubstantiated accusations just because Trump supporters believe them. They aren't going to have a sudden epiphany in which they switch their votes to Hillary. It is a waste of time and a major distraction from the point she was trying to make about Trump's unfitness.

    Every Trump surrogate immediately brings up Bill Clinton's behavior as a deflection when interviewed about Trump. We don't have to deflect ourselves when addressing the topic from our perspective. To suggest that it should have happened, I find outrageous. Next you will be asking Hillary to prove that Carlos Slim didn't give her millions, as Trump claimed today.

    Personally, I believe that the mainstream media doesn't address these strongly held right wing beliefs because it doesn't read their websites and doesn't know what kind of garbage is being circulated there.

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    1. News Flash -- Bill Clinton is still not running for president.

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    2. But he could be living in the White House.

      If Melania Trump's plagiarism was an issue for liberals -- which it was -- then Bill Clinton's fair game as well.

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    3. As far as I can see, Melania has not inserted herself into this campaign and she has pretty much been left alone.

      Plagiarism is wrong no matter who does it. She made herself look ridiculous but no one would call that disqualifying for Trump. Just foolish.

      The attacks on Hillary Clinton through Bill are ugly but par for the course. I believe Trump would have read Melania's speech in advance. There is no evidence Hillary had any involvement in Bill's sex life apart from their marriage. That's why charges against him are irrelevant.

      This term "fair game" has an ugly tone to it. I wonder if you realize that.

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  7. "Our side" is untidy and mush-headed. That Others are misinformed. Oh, to live among the smart and wise in Somerby's world!

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  8. "HRC made clear that night, we regard them as irredeemable, foul."

    To me, it is funny how that played. Hillary said 50% of Trump supporters. Yet most of the Trump supporters I know seem to ignore that. They now call themselves 'depolorables'.

    I sorta think that most people would agree that actual racists and sexists really ARE deplorable. If you are not one of those people, why would you want to give cover to those that are?

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  9. This is a weak column. Carson deserves no credit for anything. Sorry.

    And this: "“When all this baloney came out about Trump, I understand it’s a scandal,” said Brenda Stchur, 56, a Democrat from Hudson, Pa., who supports Mr. Trump. “But John F. Kennedy wasn’t innocent, either, and everyone loves John F. Kennedy.”

    Except this wasn't known about JFK BEFORE his election.

    Usually I appreciate your balanced and nuanced opinion, but Carson isn't the person to do it with.

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    1. Anyone can have decent points sometimes.

      Carson in fact was also correct the other day about the traditional cause of "locker room talk" and male ego, which his fellow panelists indignantly thought had just fallen from the sky. How dare he offend us so!

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  10. Address the issues, not the sex scandals. "Let's throw out the economists and use common sense." Yeah, baby!

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  11. Bob, this is a good piece on accusations of racism against Trump supporters: http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/15/13286498/donald-trump-voters-race-economic-anxiety

    The data says yes, yes they are.

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  12. From Mark Kleiman:

    "For my money, the most explosive substantive charge – both because the same incident is vouched for by five women, and because the victims were minors at the time, obviating any question of consent and vastly increasing the potential criminal liability had the statute of limitations not run – involves his walking in on the dressing room of the contestants at the Miss Teen USA pageant in 1997, gazing his fill at girls as young as fourteen as they were naked or half-naked, and cheerfully telling them not to worry because he’d “seen it all already.” (Again, Trump is on tape with Howard Stern boasting of such behavior at the beauty pageants he owned, though not specifically with minors.) When one of them complained to the then-seventeen-year-old Ivanka, who was hosting the pageant, Ivanka reportedly said “Yes, he does that.” If that happened – and there seems to be no reason to doubt it – it was and is covered by statutes on Child Sexual Abuse, which carry draconian penalties; after all, if he’d merely looked at photos of undressed fourteen-year-olds on his computer he would have faced hard Federal time under the kiddie-porn statutes. Even Trumpites would have a hard time swallowing that, if it were being brought to their attention, but instead the media focus has been on the drumroll of adult accusers."

    How many past presidential candidates have been accused of breaking kiddie porn statutes?

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    1. The really shocking part is that the dressing rooms were gendered. Trump was ahead of his time on this one. Very progressive and I'm glad things are rapidly improving on that front these days.

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    2. Better trolling please.

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    3. It takes more than nudity to invoke child porn statutes.

      And even if it didn't, wouldn't that be a silly and draconian (and misplaced) penalty?

      Next time I'm in the Met, I'll arrest myself. You know how young some of those models were.

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    4. Better trolling please.

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  21. My life was destroyed when my husband sent me packing, after 13 years we have been together. I was lost and helpless after trying so many ways to my husband back to me. One day at work, I was distracted, not knowing that my boss called me, so he sat and asked me what it was all about, I told him and he smiled and said it was no problem. I never understood what he meant by it was no problem getting back my husband, he said he used a spell to get back his wife when she left him for another man, and now they are together till date and initially I was shocked hearing something from my boss. He gave me an email address of the Prophet Abuvia which helped him get his wife back, I never believed that this would work, but I had no choice coming into contact with the sayings that I get done, and he asked for my information and that my husband was able to propose to throw him the spell and I sent him the details, but after two days, my mother called me that my husband was pleading that he wants me back, I never believed, because it was just a dream and I had to rush off to my mother's place and to my greatest surprise, was kneeling my husband beg me for forgiveness that he wants me and the child back home, when I gave prophet Abuvia a conversation regarding sudden change of my husband and he made clear to me that my husband will love me until the end of the world, that he will never leave for another woman. Now me and my husband is back together and started doing funny things he has not done before, he makes me happy and do what it is supposed to do as a man without nagging. Please if you need help of any kind need, please contact Prophet Abuvia for help. His email is prophet.abuvia@gmail.com his website is http://prophetAbuviasolutiontemple.webs.com/

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