Joe and Mika trash pundit consensus!

THURSDAY, OCTOBER 20, 2016

Live and direct from The Realm of the Crazy Ridiculous:
Joe and Mika started right in trashing last evening's consensus.

You can watch them doing so in today's opening segment. (Scroll ahead to roughly 5:00.) The peculiar pair rebelled against last evening's pundit consensus, in which Trump was trashed for failing to pre-endorse the outcome of next month's election.

Does Trump seem weirdly loyal to Putin? That's how Joe and Mika often seem in relation to Candidate Trump!

That said, we ourselves weren't blown away by Trump's widely denounced comments. He said we'll have to wait to see if he will concede the legitimacy of his possible defeat next month.

"I'll keep you in suspense." Thus spake Candidate Trump.

Personally, we weren't blown away by that statement. Two of our reasons are fairly mundane. Our third reason relates to the revolutionary nature of this year's White House campaign.

Why weren't we shocked by Trump's remarks about next month's election? For one thing, his remarks were consistent with everything he's said for the past several weeks. Beyond that, it is a bit strange to ask a person to pre-validate future events.

What if the election turns out to be close, and there's evidence of serious misconduct or error in some state Trump loses? Should Trump pre-validate an outcome like that? We're not real sure why.

That said, Joe and Mika went on and on about how wrong the pundits were last night. As she read a staff-prepared text, Mika was especially dumb and deceptive.

On the whole, Morning Joe panelists seemed a bit flummoxed by this latest outburst from the peculiar pair. At least in today's first half hour, no one pushed back against their hosts in the most relevant way.

Alas! The key point isn't what Candidate Trump said last night. The key point involves the question he was asked, including the reason why he was asked in the first place.

Below, you see what Chris Wallace asked, minus one small deletion. Trump was savaged for his answer. But why was this question asked?
WALLACE (10/19/16): Mr. Trump, I want to ask you about one last question in this topic...Your running mate, Governor Pence, pledged on Sunday that he and you, his words, "will absolutely accept the result of this election." Today your daughter, Ivanka, said the same thing. I want to ask you here on the stage tonight: Do you make the same commitment that you will absolutely— Sir, that you will absolutely accept the result of this election?
Let's be fair! In normal circumstances, it's slightly odd to ask a person to "absolutely accept the result" of some future event or process. What if it turns out that something goes crazily wrong with the process? Why should Trump, or anyone else, pre-endorse something like that?

In normal circumstances, Wallace's question to Trump would be slightly odd. That helps explain why questions like that were never asked in previous White House campaigns.

Morning Joe's panelists noted the fact that no previous nominee ever gave an answer like Trump's. They failed to note a more basic fact: No previous nominee has ever been asked that question!

The key point isn't what Trump said; the key point involves the reason why he was asked. The question was asked because Candidate Trump has been parading about the countryside, ominously saying that this year's election is "rigged." Here's the way Wallace's question began, with that deletion restored:

"Mr. Trump, I want to ask you about one last question in this topic. You have been warning at rallies recently that this election is rigged and that Hillary Clinton is in the process of trying to steal it from you..."

The question Wallace posed last night has never been asked in prior years. It was asked last night because of the crazy claims this candidate has been making.

In their latest rant, Joe and Mika seemingly failed to grasp this basic point. Perhaps understandably in the face of their wrath, their panelists failed to articulate it.

For ourselves, we weren't blown away by Trump's statement last night. In our view, his refusal to pre-endorse the election made a type of sense.

That said, his repeated claims that the election is rigged have made no sense at all. But then again, what else is new?

In effect, Trump was doubling down last night on a series of crazy claims—crazy claims in which he tells his supporters that the election is being stolen. Without offering any evidence, he keeps telling his supporters that the election will be stolen in Philadelphia, Chicago, St. Louis.

In several ways, this claim doesn't quite seem to make sense. (Does anyone think that Trump has a chance to win Illinois?) But Trump has said this so many times that Wallace posed that question last night—a question which was never asked in the past.

In his answers to Wallace, Candidate Trump doubled down on The Crazy. But we weren't blown away by that. This doubling-down was of a piece with the many crazy things Trump said in last evening's debate.

Alas! In this election, Candidate Trump has completed an unfortunate process. The culture of Crazy Ludicrous Statement has now become the reliable norm, so much so that mainstream pundits seem unable to spot its ascent.

In fairness, this political/journalistic culture has been growing for several decades. (The Clintons committed all those murders!) But Candidate Trump has made this culture the norm.

We were surprised by the focus on Trump's refusal to pre-endorse the election. Here are some of the other things he said:
Crazy/ridiculous/dimwitted/bogus/completely unfounded statements:
1) No one knows who committed those hacks.
2) Candidate Clinton's plan "is going to double your taxes."
3) "You're not going to find a quote from me" in which I favored the spread of nukes.
4) We could have 5-6 percent economic growth.
5) Clinton's campaign is responsible for the emergence of Trump's sex accusers.
6) Clinton should have (magically) changed the tax code when she was a senator.
7) The Clinton Foundation is "a criminal enterprise."
8) Because she herself is a criminal who lied to the FBI many times, Clinton shouldn't be allowed to run for president.
9) When she was a senator, Candidate Clinton "wanted the wall."
10) Russia's nukes are better than ours.
11) $6 billion was stolen from the State Department when Clinton was in charge.
12) Trump Foundation money wasn't used to satisfy that lawsuit.
How crazy has our discourse become? For the second straight debate, the person who had that conversation with Billy Bush said this: "No one has more respect for women than I do!"

Have you seen a single person say how stupid and crazy that is?

Also this! After saying that Clinton is a criminal; after saying that her foundation is a criminal enterprise, after saying that she is hated by the people of Haiti, Trump said this about Candidate Clinton:

"What a nasty woman!"

On CNN, the robotic Trump hacks continued to function in pairs. Sic semper CNN programming.

In fairness, The Culture of Crazy has been entrenching itself for the past twenty-five years. (Al Gore said he discovered Love Canal!) But craziness has now become the defining trait of our discourse.

For that reason, we were surprised by the focus on what Trump said about next month's election. We don't see how that stood out from the rest of his bullshine last night.

Citizens, can we talk? From June 2015 right through last night, the press corps has failed to come to terms with Trump's undisguised lunacy / mendacity / apparent need for treatment. They averted their eyes from his birther campaign; the pattern spun downward from there.

(We're so old that we can remember when he did know Putin!)

Last night, Trump said a million things which made no earthly sense. We don't really know why the pundits selected that one remark for such special review. According to our mainstream pundits, Trump's birtherism wasn't crazy, but his failure to pre-endorse next month's election is!

In our view, the craziness doesn't lie in what Trump said last night. The craziness lies in what he's been telling supporters for the past several weeks, and for years before that.

This morning, Joe and Mika's behavior seemed odd, as it often does. Perhaps understandably, their hand-picked gang of enabler pundits didn't seem able to articulate what has been going on.

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  2. "1) No one knows who committed those hacks."

    That's just a statement of fact. I mean, you could technically argue that someone knows who committed the "hacks" (there's no evidence they were hacks as opposed to, say, fishing for passwords) as in the person who did them and wikileaks. But certainly the US government doesn't know who did them. Oh, they say they're "very confidant" it was Russia, but that's not the same thing as knowing (recall, they were very confident Iraq had loads of WMD). In any case, no evidence has been presented.

    The "17 intelligence agencies" line is a real laugher. Wikileaks just tweeted the following:

    >Hillary Clinton's "17 US intelligence agencies" include:

    *Coast Guard
    *DEA
    *Navel [sic] Intelligence
    *Department of Energy
    *Air Force recon

    Talk about a joke. Yet we're supposed to take this seriously.

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    1. Have you figured out the IQ puzzler, yet?

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    2. There is no joke. Officially the US Intelligence Community is comprised of 17 agencies. They do not say they're "very confidant [sic]" , the IC says they have "high confidence". Private cybersecurity also agree with this assessment. One would hope you would take it seriously when the "Evil Empire" attempts to influence our democracy through espionage.

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    3. "Talk about a joke."

      You're fucking hilarious. You got anything or are you here tell us some more Russian jokes?

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    1. You forgot to repeat yourself. Better trolling please.

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    2. No they have not, oysters do not hibernate unless the water gets very cold, there is no such thing as "early hibernation". The DNR fall survey of the oysters has just started so you will have to wait for the results to know the state of the oysters but due to the salinity of the bay water it is suspected that MSX disease will be high this year.

      Item 1) the IC says they have "high confidence" it was the Russians, so basically we do know who committed those hacks. In intelligence such as this, as a rule, they never say 100%, so in this case "high confidence" means they know it was the Russians. In addition, if we did not know who committed the hacks, it would still be very concerning that the hacking occurred, so dismissing the issue by saying we don't know who did it, is nutty just by itself.

      Item 10) The notion that Russian nukes are better than US nukes is Pravda propaganda, believe if you want but that just indicates your naivete. Again as with item 1), this claim is not just nutty for factual reasons, it is also nutty to get into an nuclear arms race. This plays right into what Putin wants.

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  5. The reason why - out of all the crazy they might have chosen - the pundits focused on Trump's response to the election results question, is because its part of their new exciting narrative: will there be violence on election day.

    Which is not to say that this isn't a valid concern. Personally, I'm quite worried that some unstable gun nut is going to lose his tenuous grip on election day - which would make election day not unlike every other day in our beloved country.

    My point, to the extent that I have one, is that the election results response lends itself to the countdown-to-hysteria-tune-in-all-day type of story the cable news channels adore.

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    1. That doesn't explain the many statements made by politicians themselves (especially Republicans) in the wake of the debate.

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  6. I disagree that Trump's refusal to "pre-endorse" an election result made sense. No one was asking him to do that. He was being asked to affirm the peaceful transition following a lawful election.

    Somerby is correct that the question was asked because of Trump's other crazy statements. This question arose because he has steadily been delegitimizing the election process with his claims about rigging, which seem to refer to anything from media bias (e.g., asking him hard questions or reporting on his own statements accurately) to outright fraud. His claim that Hillary has no right to be running for office because he believes she belongs in jail is a case in point.

    He must abide by the outcome of the election, barring things like recounts or lawsuits over irregularities, just as all previous candidates have done. To be coy about this is to invite armed uprising, as evidenced by the statements of his supporters at his own rallies. It is irresponsible for Trump to be encouraging those 2nd Amendment solutions, as he clearly has been doing at his rallies.

    This is an unprecedented age in which anyone can listen to a rally speech broadcast over internet and cable stations. He has been fomenting rebellion. Somerby should not be coy about this in the name of strict parsing. Intentions matter and Trump's are far from benign. This is no situation to play philosopher.

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  7. IMHO the question was asked to make Trump look bad, as a "gotcha". What does the question even mean? What would it mean for Trump to not "accept" the official result of the election?

    Would non-acceptance mean he'd whine about the results? Would it mean that he'd sue to reverse the results?
    Would it mean that he'd start a revolution?

    I don't think the question meant anything specific. Too bad Trump didn't give a better answer to this stupid question.

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    1. D in C, may I express concern about your apparent exacerbation of your delusional state in your absence for the last couple of weeks? But maybe you missed it where your candidate has been spouting off that the election is rigged against him, and that is maybe why he was asked the question. What question do you think he should have been asked?

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    2. Lately Trump has been asking at his rallies why Clinton is being permitted to run for President when she has broken the law and should be in jail. What do you suppose that means, David?

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    3. He should have been asked in what way the election is rigged and what evidence he has that it is rigged. The actual question didn't make sense. Supposed, hypothetically, that the election were totally rigged, in some way. Trump would still have to accept his defeat, because there would be nothing he could do about it.

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    4. Anon 7:55 PM That comment seems clear. Hillary pretty obviously broke the law in her handling of clasified material. That's a valid argument for voting for the odious Trump.

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    5. Not to put too fine of a point on it, but no, Hillary pretty obviously did not break the law in her handling of classified material. Even Republican Comey made that clear. If there were even a tiny hint of a valid argument for voting for Trump, he wouldn't be getting as badly stomped as he is.

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    6. This just goes to show how the liberal media reports the news vs. how the conservative media. It's not that either of them report falsely. In this case, it's that the liberal media downplays or overlooks items harmful to their side.

      The FBI's behavior was clearly wrong in a number of ways. The FBI gave immunity to Cheryl Mills, Heather Samuelson, and 3 others without notifying Congress. Also, the FBI made a side agreement, whereby they destroyed the laptops of two of Hillary's aides. The FBI allowed Mills to sit in on the questioning of Hillary Clinton, even though she herself was a target. Comey said Hillary shouldn't be prosecuted because of lack of intent. That's wrong, because she clearly did have intent. Furthermore, negligent handling of the sort she committed is a crime even without intent.

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    7. David in Ca's hilarious mangling of the issues involved is only slightly worse than Bob in obvious "above it all" mode, just because everybody is saying something about poor Trump it MUST not be true.
      As Bob himself points out, the only reason Trump got the question is because of foolish (and potentially dangerous) statements he's been making for weeks. Oh yeah, just in case there does turn out to be massive fraud Trump shouldn't have to commit himself on these future events now. Why must Bob insist on being as ridiculous as Rachel Maddow on her worst day? At any rate Trump himself underlines this today "I won't dispute the election if I win." Good call, Bob.

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    8. Furthermore, negligent handling of the sort she committed is a crime even without intent. The statute says "willful", so yeah, intent is pretty much an element of the crime.

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    9. deadrat -- I think whoever you're quoting only considered the portion of the law favorable to their POV. Here's the quote from a conservative source:

      Hillary Clinton checked every box required for a felony violation of Section 793(f) of the federal penal code (Title 18): With lawful access to highly classified information she acted with gross negligence in removing and causing it to be removed it from its proper place of custody, and she transmitted it and caused it to be transmitted to others not authorized to have it, in patent violation of her trust. Director Comey even conceded that former Secretary Clinton was “extremely careless” and strongly suggested that her recklessness very likely led to communications (her own and those she corresponded with) being intercepted by foreign intelligence services. Yet, Director Comey recommended against prosecution of the law violations he clearly found on the ground that there was no intent to harm the United States. In essence, in order to give Mrs. Clinton a pass, the FBI rewrote the statute, inserting an intent element that Congress did not require. The added intent element, moreover, makes no sense: The point of having a statute that criminalizes gross negligence is to underscore that government officials have a special obligation to safeguard national defense secrets; when they fail to carry out that obligation due to gross negligence, they are guilty of serious wrongdoing. The lack of intent to harm our country is irrelevant. People never intend the bad things that happen due to gross negligence. I would point out, moreover, that there are other statutes that criminalize unlawfully removing and transmitting highly classified information with intent to harm the United States. Being not guilty (and, indeed, not even accused) of Offense B does not absolve a person of guilt on Offense A, which she has committed.
      Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/437479/fbi-rewrites-federal-law-let-hillary-hook

      The statute in question is at https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793 IAMAL, but it looks to me as if conviction of a crime under section a, b, or c would require intent to injure the United States.

      However (d) doesn't seem to require intent to harm the US. It does require only that that the classified info be "willfully...transmitted...to any person not entitled to receive it...".

      Section (e) says it's a crime if she "willfully retains the [classified info] and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it"

      Section (f) looks like what my source referred to: "1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed..." There is no requirement of willfulness in Section (f).

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    10. Doesn't transmitted mean you have to have sent the email, not been a recipient of it? Hillary received these emails. She didn't send them. In Section (e), she is clearly a person entitled to receive it.

      But our wrestling with this is beside the point. The FBI was charged with this investigation and determination of criminality. They decided there was no crime. It is as much an overthrow of our rule of law to decide that the FBI is wrong, as it is to decide an election is invalid or a candidate has no right to run. This is all vigilante behavior that ignores our rule of law in this country. Conservatives can no more overthrow the FBI than they can any other part of the government, just because they disagree with the outcome of an investigation.

      Comey is a Republican and well-respected as a man of integrity, by everyone except the tea-party nuts supporting Trump. He isn't an Obama shill. If he could have pinned something on Clinton, he would have. She didn't do anything to justify Trump's behavior.

      As has been pointed out before, the handling of the documents in question did not compromise any aspect of our nation's security or effective functioning. This has been a huge waste of time and money, a crime I consider much worse than anything Clinton or her staff did.

      The chorus of ugly thugs calling a public servant "crooked," shouting to put her in jail, has done more damage to our nation than anything Clinton did. Trump and his rowdy supporters should be ashamed of themselves but they demonstrate daily that they have no shame, no patriotism, no national pride, no common sense, no intelligence, and thus no hope of winning support from anyone who does.

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    11. D & C, you aren't an attorney, and don't appear to know what you are taking about. The statute is hardly clear cut. At best, the NR take on the statute is tendentious and weak. There are many court decisions interpreting this statute. I don't see any of them cited in the NR quote you give, and I doubt you have read them. A while ago I did read a few of them, and none of them I read bore any resemblance to the facts relating to Clinton. That's how lawyers and courts interpret statutes. What the statute says is primary, but almost all statutes have to be general - it's almost impossible to draft a statute to cover every situation with specificity. Precedents are a necessary part of the process of applying a statute to a specific situation. If you can cite a decision or decisions that supports your hardly unbiased position, I'd like to see it.

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    12. dinc is Exhibit A evidence of how his sick and rotting political party ended up nominating a vulgar ignorant racist. They don't accept reality, and there is now an entire infrastructure that has been created and dedicated to provide them with a more pleasing imaginary reality. Wingnut Welfare.

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    13. AC/MA. Yes, indeed. The final word belongs to the Supreme Court, which ruled in Gorin v. United States 312US19 (1941) that the gov must prove intent to convict under the statute.

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  8. @ 6:03 PM - thank you for the word salad but you left out the oregano.

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  9. "Hiilary obviously broke the law ...." Let's see, should I take the conclusion of the FBI Director or the baseless contention by a brain-dead troll?

    derp

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  10. Supposed, hypothetically, that the election were totally rigged, in some way. No. I refuse. The Bush-Gore 2000 election WAS NOT totally rigged, so WHY SUPPOSE SOMETHING SO STUPID and actually, pretty impossible?!? Oh, I forgot... YOU NEVER make any sense, David in Cal. And your 8:34 PM comment about obvious law breaking... WHO determines what is obvious/law/breaking and who and what happens to them? Everyone would be dead and NOT buried by your insane (il)logic. Looks like you would OBVIOUSLY lock up 'that nasty woman' over her 'emails' so can I go round up all those people in the Bush Administration who abused email FAR WORSE and what about those Republicans that put Iran's instructions online on how to build a nuke ... mob rule on that too, eh ? You sound dumber and dumber everyday.

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  11. "Supposed, hypothetically, that the election were totally rigged, in some way." More gibberish from the troll that will not leave.

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  14. For ouselves, we look forward to the exciting conclusion to "Where the Test Scores Are" and resent this electoral intrusion into a fresh look at the exciting story of the Gaps, the likes of which only this blog has never explored before.

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    1. This blog explores the gaps, and you know it. Your relentless hostility toward Somerby's defense of teachers makes your agenda suspect.

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  15. My husband and I have been together for almost 7 years, married for almost 4 years. We have a son that just turned 4. We got together and married young, I am 33 and he is 40. Over the years we have had many issues, including infidelity, a 6 month separation, and he said to me he wanted to get a divorce many times. I don’t necessarily have an issue getting over the past, it is his continued present behavior that keeps me wondering if he will ever change, ever mature, or be the husband and father I need him to be. he filed for divorce August 2014, but i refused to sign the papers coz i love him so much. I allowed the case to be dismissed, maybe to see if he will ever change. I have so many doubts and I am not sure which way to turn. I can not invest 100% into this marriage because I was so afraid to be disappointed all over again. I am afraid he has be cheating on me, I love him, but there are definitely no romantic feelings toward him, the feelings that made me fall in love with him in the first place. I felt so comfortable with him in my life, he makes me laugh, he’s playful, caring and attentive, on the other hand he has an anger problem, is negative, can be immature most of the time, argues with me constantly, and I don’t trust him. coz he use to cheat on me, i love my husband so much and also i want to save my marriage from divorce. so i cry to a friend of my, who told me to warp my tears, that there is a solution to my problem. so she introduce to me Dr happy a real spell caster that help to fight, stop marriage divorce and relationship problem also get ex back. so i give him a try and with-in 2day my problem with my husband was solve and ok, me and my husband and family and happily living great all thank to Dr happy you can reach him on happylovespell2@gmail.com or still call and Whats-pp him on +2348133873774 Thanks Sandra Katie from Usa California

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  19. My wife and I had a wonderful 22 years of marriage with 4 kids. It so happened that a girl tempted me by text and by no means I was able to entertain her text until then that we exchanged text. It lasted fro almost 2 months till it was discovered by my family. Trouble erupted between my wife and I that until now for almost a year we've been arguing on these things. That we don't have good marriage relationships. I don't want to leave the house because I love my wife, my children, family. My wife said she does not love me anymore but I don't believe in it. My wife is angry with me for what I have done but I am not surrendering and making all things I could to win her back. which also i contacted a spell caster to help me out coz i love my wife,and i believe He will make miracle to our marriage and heal the wounds in the heart of my wife. Always praying that God's love will dwell in our hearts esp. in my wife's heart so that the hurt will be gone. I have faith in the Lord that He will solution to these problem. Trusting in Dr happy, that in His time we will be again living happy and enjoying the moments of our life. Pray that right people will be there to influence my wife towards the healing process. Please for us i love my wife and i need her back. one day, great miracle occur in my family some one like a father to me restored my marriage and bring my wife back to me with-in 2 day after my trust on him all thanks to Dr happy the great plz my Advise is to contact him if you need his help of getting your ex back and protect your marriage for divorce email him at happylovespell2@gmail.com also call him or add him on whats-app +2348133873774

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