From Krugman, a puzzling claim: Paul Krugman makes a puzzling claim in this morning's column. First, though, let's consider yesterday's essay by Charlie Peters.
Peters was born in West Virginia—in 1926! He founded the Washington Monthly in 1969. According to the leading authority, he continued to write his "Tilting at Windmills" column until 2014.
Today, Peters is 90 years old. Yesterday, in the New York Times' Sunday Review, he published an important political memoir beneath a sad headline:
"I Remember When Appalachia Wasn’t Trump Country"
Peters discusses the political history which turned his native West Virginia from blue to red. But uh-oh! He builds his analysis around an unpleasant topic—the alleged arrogance and snobbishness of our liberal elites.
He starts in 1965, "the year everything began to change." In that year, he says we liberals began to sneer at the unwashed concerning Vietnam. What follows is hard to read, but it isn;t untrue:
PETERS (3/5/17): Opposition to the war tended to divide the country along class lines, with the college-educated elite avoiding service and the fighting and dying left to the average man.Hard to read, but far from untrue.
I was against the war but worried about the class division. It seemed to me that too many members of the educated elite not only felt they were morally superior to those who supported the war but even began to feel a snobbish disdain toward the less sophisticated in matters ranging from not attending the right schools to not knowing about wine or, horror of horrors, wearing polyester suits.
From there, he runs through a series of topics, culminating with this:
PETERS: For me, the most maddening failure of the liberal elite was that too many of its members became indifferent to the declining share of corporate income devoted to wages. By the early 1980s, you could see clear evidence of their growing interest in accumulating wealth for themselves, of their focus on corporate profits that would pay them dividends and increase the value of their stocks; “Wall Street Week” soared to popularity on PBS—it was the “Downton Abbey” of its time. Profits have increased since 1980, yet wages have stagnated.Oof! According to Peters, some of our leading liberals may perhaps just possibly have started to chase the greenbacks themselves! He says we increasingly haven't seemed to give a hoot about what was happening to Them, the lesser breed, Down There in the lower orders.
It seems to us there's a great deal of merit in Peters' observations. He discusses the important issues and topics which have defined American politics in the roughly fifty years since he founded the Monthly.
Concerning each topic, he says "the liberal position is on the whole the right one." But uh-oh! In every instance, he says the "snobbish disdain" of liberal elites has helped create the modern world, the one in which Donald J. Trump swept the votes of his once-liberal state, with the more liberal party's candidate telling large swaths of the electorate that they were "irredeemable" "deplorables.
(If we might borrow from Jeff Foxworthy: You may be irredeemable if...you're thinking of voting for Trump.)
We're inclined to think that Peters is right in his basic outline. We'll offer more thoughts on the topics he raises as the week proceeds. We think of that kid our freshman year (1965) disrespecting that cafeteria lady. We think of Name Withheld in South Carolina and her fascinating rage about "northern condescension" (circa 1989).
With that, we turn to Brother Krugman's column. What on earth—what in the world—led him to make these puzzling statements about the GOP's long-standing, flim-flammable pledge to replace Obamacare with something "terrific" and better?
KRUGMAN (3/6/17): The whole party, it turns out, has been faking it for years. Its leaders’ rhetoric was empty; they have no idea how to turn their slogans into actual legislation, because they’ve never bothered to understand how anything important works.In the highlighted passages, Krugman plainly implies that Republican leaders didn't understand their rolling con of the past seven years.
Take the two lead items in the congressional G.O.P.’s agenda: undoing the Affordable Care Act and reforming corporate taxes. In each case Republicans seem utterly shocked to find themselves facing reality.
The story of Obamacare repeal would be funny if the health care—and, in many cases, the lives—of millions of Americans weren’t at stake.
First we had seven—seven!—years during which Republicans kept promising to offer an alternative to Obamacare any day now, but never did. Then came the months after the election, with more promises of details just around the corner.
Now there’s apparently a plan hidden somewhere in the Capitol basement. Why the secrecy? Because the Republicans have belatedly discovered what some of us tried to tell them all along: The only way to maintain coverage for the 20 million people who gained insurance thanks to Obamacare is with a plan that, surprise, looks a lot like Obamacare.
According to Krugman, Republican leaders "have belatedly discovered what [people like Krugman] tried to tell them all along" about the difficulty of replacing Obamacare. They "seem utterly shocked to find themselves facing reality" about this problem, because "they’ve never bothered to understand how anything important works."
Where does this lunacy come from? In that passage, Krugman clearly says that Republican leaders didn't understand the things he's repeatedly said about Obamacare. We have no idea why he would think or say such a thing.
It's always possible that some Republican office-holders didn't (and don't) understand the nature of the problem. But why would Krugman want to vouch for their honesty as a group?
Krugman has explicitly said, for years, that Paul Ryan is a con man peddling versions of flimflam. Now, he says the Republican leadership simply didn't understand!
Moral stampedes tend to weaken the mind. When our smartest player writes this way, you can see the problems we're facing as we replace attempts at outreach with outrage and moral thunder.
Back to Charlie Peters:
Liberals need to find ways to explain topics like "repeal and replace" to the many voters we've lost. We need to tell them they've been conned by the leaders they've come to trust, and that they have a citizen's duty to consider this claim.
Alas! Those voters are disinclined to listen to us, in part because of the decades of snobbery Peters cites. If they did, they'd find us saying bewildering things like this. Who knows? Maybe Donald Trump really believed that Obama was born in Kenya!
Baseball season starts in four weeks. Seven years into this rolling con, can anyone here play this game?
Coming attraction: Way back in 2005, Krugman wrote important columns about the ridiculous per-person cost of American health care. For one example, click here.
Questions:
1) Why didn't our other liberal heroes follow Krugman's lead on this topic, which has completely disappeared from our public discourse?
2) Does their silence derive from what Peters said about their money chase?
Note on Peters — Vietnam oppo was not based entirely on class divisions. Has he forgotten MLK's Riverside Church speech?
ReplyDeleteHello, I am Theresa Williams After being in relationship with Anderson for years, he broke up with me, I did everything possible to bring him back but all was in vain, I wanted him back so much because of the love I have for him, I begged him with everything, I made promises but he refused. I explained my problem to my friend and she suggested that I should rather contact a spell caster that could help me cast a spell to bring him back but I am the type that never believed in spell, I had no choice than to try it, I mailed the spell caster, and he told me there was no problem that everything will be okay before three days, that my ex will return to me before three days, he cast the spell and surprisingly in the second day, it was around 4 pm. My ex called me, I was so surprised, I answered the call and all he said was that he was so sorry for everything that happened that he wanted me to return to him, that he loves me so much. I was so happy and went to him that was how we started living together happily again. Since then, I have made promise that anybody I know that have a relationship problem, I would be of help to such person by referring him or her to the only real and powerful spell caster who helped me with my own problem. email: drogunduspellcaster@gmail.com you can email him if you need his assistance in your relationship or any other Case.
Delete1) Love Spells
2) Lost Love Spells
3) Divorce Spells
4) Marriage Spells
5) Binding Spell.
6) Breakup Spells
7) Banish a past Lover
8.) You want to be promoted in your office/ Lottery spell
9) want to satisfy your lover
Contact this great man if you are having any problem for a lasting solution
through drogunduspellcaster@gmail.com
DeleteHOW I GET MY EX LOVER BACK CALL IF YOU NEED HELP ON +2347087462033
Are you in bad need of love spell to bring back your ex lover or reunite your marriage? Email Dr. Zaba for fast 24 hours solution. I had a problem with my husband a year and six months ago, which lead us apart. When he broke up with me, I was confuse and did not know what to do to get him back, I felt so empty inside. Until i came across Dr.Zaba on the internet on how He has helped so many people solve there various problem. I emailed Him and I told Him my problem and i did what he asked me to do for him to help me, to briefly make the long story short, Before I knew it, in less than 24 HOURS, my Husband gave me a call and he came back to me and told me he was sorry about what was going on between the both of us. Finally I am writing this testimony to offer my thanks and deep gratitude to you Dr. Zaba for keeping to your words and your promises in bringing him back to me in just 24 hours of your powerful spell casting, and for using your gifted and great powers to bring him back. If you need his help, you can email him at: Zaba24hoursspell@yahoo.com or call +2347087462033 Amara Carr from Australia
Yes, liberals invented greed. Seems to me the disdain of those liberal elites began just about the time Republicans started electing out-of-work actors to high office and nominating extremists like Goldwater -- based on the chronology Peters describes.
ReplyDeleteI disagree. I think the advent of TV revealed a disdain that has long existed in the form of class differences in the US, dating back to colonial times. But it would be very wrong to attribute disdain to those earnest union workers and civil rights supporters and the anti-war marchers or the emerging gay rights, women's rights and other identity-related organizers. When the Southern democrats fell away from the party because they couldn't support that kind of change, their guilty consciences may have felt the response as a kind of disdain for their choice. Somerby has been arguing that we need to make room in our party for the bigots again. I'm sure we would do better during elections, but at the cost of legitimizing that perspective on human relations.
No thank you. If I wanted that, I could have become a Republican. so can the Appalachian people who feel disdain from liberal elites instead of identifying with what liberalism stands for. I'm glad they found their home with Trump.
I went the other way. I started out as a Republican with two Republican parents. Somewhere in the late 1980s we all became Democrats.
DeleteThese days though, listening to my fellow Democrats go on an on about how much they hate straight white males and seeing how very little many of them seem to care about the working poor - I wonder why.
Why am I in this party again? If only I had kept my $40 an hour job with the MIC. Then maybe the choice would be easier between the party that only cares about rich people versus the party that only cares about non-whites.
Please quote one single liberal saying something hateful about white straight males.
DeleteThere are few liberals remaining in the Democratic party. There are a few more in the Republican party.
DeleteSomerby thinks that if we tell Republicans they are being conned, they will believe us. I see no evidence to support that idea.
ReplyDeleteKrugman is ridiculing the Republicans because the leader of their party, the President, tweeted about how difficult health care reform is, and said "who knew?". He is taking their own statements at face value.
Krugman is not only an elite, but he deserves to show disdain for the Republicans' prize idiot. This is part of living in the reality-based world. You don't show respect for idiots and pretend they are presidential when they are not. The same applies to people from Appalachia.
We can't tell these fictional mythological reasonable republicans they are being conned else we will repel them even more for acting superior and smarter than they are, further creating a feedback loop causing them to hate is even more.
DeleteIt's a Catch-22. That's some catch, that Catch-22.
He may be saying something much more reasonable. If we tell Republicans they are being conned they are more likely to listen to us than if we tell them they are racist morons.
DeleteBut dammit, it's hard to be humble when you are as great as I am.
OK, Doc, you be sure to let us know how it works out.
DeleteGo ahead, start with our reliable resident warped troll, DinC. Go ahead, tell him he's being conned.
I keep repeating, I don't live in a sealed cocoon. I actually know and work with these damn fools. And I can tell you with certainty that if I tried to have a conversation with any of them telling them they are being conned, it's going to get pretty damn loud, pretty damn fast.
It may be hard to win people over when you think of them as "damn fools" or "warped trolls."
DeleteJust because one person or half a dozen cannot be won over, does not mean all 63 million cannot be.
It's possible we are just getting out-spent rather than out-messaged, but so many times I hear our message (or see the attitude of our messengers) and think to myself "maybe we don't deserve to win."
You seem to be confused. I am not trying to win these nasty people over. I want nothing to do with. There's something seriously wrong with these people and I intend to stay as far away possible from them. They're not welcome in my home.
DeleteThere hatred for us has been brewing for a very long time, it's going to take decades for this to change. I'm too old to worry about it. But go ahead, knock yourself out.
Dr. T, Hillary had more money than Trump and she stayed reasonable to the end. It didn't do her a bit of good. Many of us tried to do exactly what you say during the past election. You saw the result. Somerby, in his deluded way, mistakes the things we say in our frustration to each other, for the things we say to our friends and neighbors. We canvassed our hearts out. We talked reason to friends. It didn't work. So telling us to do it again, or do more of it, or to stop being nasty (when we weren't to begin with) is misguided.
DeleteSomerby should know better. His strawman about liberal behavior doesn't fit anyone I know. I wish he would stop it because it is making me angry and adding injury to an election that took the heart out of many of us.
I realize he is doing the Bernie dance. I can barely stand to be among my friends who are convinced Bernie would have beat Trump and we just didn't do it right. That is Somerby's point here. He wants us to believe liberals are evil, washed up, and don't know how to win an election, because an old slob like Bernie sold them pie in the sky. They are one step away from Trump supporters and not any nicer, in my opinion. Try reasoning with them, why don't you?
It might not fit anyone you know but it fit your candidate to a tee. Google "deplorables speech" and "nasty women" for clues.
DeleteBernie would have had a better chance.
"He may be saying something much more reasonable. If we tell Republicans they are being conned they are more likely to listen to us than if we tell them they are racist morons."
DeleteThey aren't going to listen to you in either case. "Racist" has lost its luster because Republicans don't give you any moral authority so your insults are meaningless. Conned won't work because almost all of them know exactly how believable Trump is or isn't on any given campaign promise. "Wall" means stepping up border controls, period. You are too far from getting it to ever come close to figuring out how to change minds.
I remember when the whole South wasn't Trump country. I wonder what happened? Maybe we should compete for that good ole KKK vote? If we just let go of our disdain for people who like sugar in their iced tea.
ReplyDeleteIt's those moral evangelicals. We need to appeal to them by nominating a vulgar lying pervert, married three times to imported eastern European eye candy gold diggers, who brags about sexual molestation and peeping at underage girls undressing at beauty pageants who uses profanity in his speeches and suggests assassinating his opponent, with a history of defrauding hard working Americans.
DeleteWhen you look at it that way, it is quite understandable why we never had a chance with these holy roller moral majority evangelical snake handlers.
Oh, I forgot one. Insult the military every chance you get. Insult former or current POW's, lie about your fundraising for military, call the generals stupid, repeatedly insult our military by calling them losers.
DeleteThat is the kind of thing that is certain to attract the white southern vote, as we know how patriotic they are and how much they love the armed forces. You can tell by the ubiquitous confederate flags on the back of their pickups.
Your colorful commentary is admittedly funny, mm, but it's inaccurate and only effective in helping Trump.
DeleteIt only helps Trump because it's spot-on.
DeleteYes, the college elite that avoided the draft like George W. Bush and Dan Quayle.
ReplyDeleteHillary Clinton showed sufficient respect for Appalachia that she told prospective voters that the coal industry was not coming back, but that she would help them find other jobs. They rejected her in favor of the lies told by Trump. And now we are told that it is our disdain for Appalachia that caused them to go for Trump! I'm so confused.
ReplyDeletebut at least they get to watch the bastard mentally unstable unhinged lying lunatic fly down to Florida every Friday afternoon to suck up some more taxpayer dollars at his hideous golf resort and play golf. they love that, bigly.
DeleteWhen it comes to healthcare, the biggest liar wins. ObamaCare was based on lies about keeping one's insurance and doctor and saving $2500 per year. Trump now lies by claiming that this plan can be replaced by something less expensive that provides better coverage. Because the entire debate is so dishonest, we're likely to wind up with a poor health care plan.
ReplyDeleteThe idea that ACA is not saving money is wrong. It is saving money for providers. The people buying insurance are largely having their increased premiums offset by increased subsidies. There are some exceptions but these blanket complaints are wrong.
Deletefuck you comrade DinC. Fuck you with a rusty chainsaw.
DeleteRepublicans have now shown their plan. Number one issue is giving a tax break to CEO's making over $500000 per year. Because we know fucking PissBoy Trump promised that right?
Next we see they will tax people who receive their insurance through their employer will now have that benefit taxed. Good fucking god you goddamned hypocrite.
Never let the lying troll D in C frame an issue without challenge. He has been caught spreading lies and diverting the discussion with wingnut disinformation. He’s a master troll from Koch headquarters.
DeleteSerial liars like D in C should be banned. But Bob apparently likes Bill O'Liarly. Then says he cares about our discourse. This article is worthy of days of discussion but Bob diverts back to nonsense topics after a few hours. How does this help our discourse?
DeleteKeep DavidinCal here.
DeleteLet's make him explain the Republican's ACA replacement, while also telling us how the Republican Party is not really an organization of assholes. Some times, great things happen when people reach for the impossible.
People listen, Obama DID NOT lie "about keeping one's insurance and doctor and saving $2500 per year."
DeleteFirst, the savings are real:
https://www.brookings.edu/research/affordable-care-act-premiums-are-lower-than-you-think/
And importantly, all health plans prior to the ACA being passed were grandfathered in. All. Grandfathered. There were no lies:
http://www.eoionline.org/blog/dean-baker-obamacare-isnt-cancelling-your-plan-your-insurance-company-is/
The one being dishonest here is David. Why?
You can say "they are stupid" without saying "we are better". We may be stupid in different ways. There are no perfect humans.
ReplyDelete"Everything began to change" in 1965? Hmm, I wonder what laws may have passed that year ...
ReplyDeleteIssues that didn’t even exist when JFK stood on that chair in 1960 and asked the poor people of West Virginia to make him president: Gun control, gay rights, environment, abortion/women’s rights. All four of those work against Democrats in heavily white fundamentalist Christian rural areas. But instead, you’re going to chalk the changes up to something as nebulous as “snobbish disdain!’’
ReplyDeleteHello, I am Theresa Williams After being in relationship with Anderson for years, he broke up with me, I did everything possible to bring him back but all was in vain, I wanted him back so much because of the love I have for him, I begged him with everything, I made promises but he refused. I explained my problem to my friend and she suggested that I should rather contact a spell caster that could help me cast a spell to bring him back but I am the type that never believed in spell, I had no choice than to try it, I mailed the spell caster, and he told me there was no problem that everything will be okay before three days, that my ex will return to me before three days, he cast the spell and surprisingly in the second day, it was around 4 pm. My ex called me, I was so surprised, I answered the call and all he said was that he was so sorry for everything that happened that he wanted me to return to him, that he loves me so much. I was so happy and went to him that was how we started living together happily again. Since then, I have made promise that anybody I know that have a relationship problem, I would be of help to such person by referring him or her to the only real and powerful spell caster who helped me with my own problem. email: drogunduspellcaster@gmail.com you can email him if you need his assistance in your relationship or any other Case.
ReplyDelete1) Love Spells
2) Lost Love Spells
3) Divorce Spells
4) Marriage Spells
5) Binding Spell.
6) Breakup Spells
7) Banish a past Lover
8.) You want to be promoted in your office/ Lottery spell
9) want to satisfy your lover
Contact this great man if you are having any problem for a lasting solution
through drogunduspellcaster@gmail.com
My wife is back!!!
ReplyDeleteMy name is Albert Brown. I had a problem with my wife six months ago,which lead to us going apart. When she broke up with me,i was no longer myself,I felt so empty inside. Until a friend of mine told me about a spell caster that helped in same problem too, that she found on Web page. i emailed the spell caster and I told him my problem and I did what he asked me to briefly To cut the long story short,before i knew what was happening,not up to 48 hours,my wife text me and said she wanted to come back and so she came back to me and told me she was sorry about what has happened, she now tell me every time and every day that she loves and miss me. I'm so grateful to this great spell caster Dr Noble and i will not stop publishing his name on the Internet just for the good work he has done. If you need any help you can contact this great man he will help you any any way you want, you can email him at templeofjoyandprosperity@gmail.com i guarantee you that he will also help you okay
Hey guys, Get your ex back fast with the help of a real and genuine spell caster called Dr.Unity.
ReplyDeleteI'm so excited my broken Marriage has been restored and my husband is back after a breakup, After 2 years of marriage, me and my husband has been into one quarrel or the other until he finally left me and moved to California to be with another woman. i felt my life was over and my kids thought they would never see their father again. i tried to be strong just for the kids but i could not control the pains that torments my heart, my heart was filled with sorrows and pains because i was really in love with my husband. Every day and night i think of him and always wish he would come back to me, I was really upset and i needed help, so i searched for help online and I came across a website that suggested that Dr Unity can help get ex back fast. So, I felt I should give him a try. I contacted him and he told me what to do and i did it then he did a (Love spell) for me. 28 hours later, my husband really called me and told me that he miss me and the kids so much, So Amazing!! So that was how he came back that same day,with lots of love and joy,and he apologized for his mistake,and for the pain he caused me and the kids. Then from that day,our Marriage was now stronger than how it were before,All thanks to Dr Unity. he is so powerful and i decided to share my story on the internet that Dr Unity real and powerful spell caster who i will always pray to live long to help his children in the time of trouble, if you are here and you need your Ex back or your husband moved to another woman, do not cry anymore, contact this powerful spell caster now. Here’s his contact: Email him at: Unityspelltemple@gmail.com ,you can
also call him or add him on Whats-app: +2348071622464 ,
his website:http://unityspelltemple.yolasite.com .
Jessica, 26 years, Texas, USA.
ReplyDeleteHOW I GET MY EX LOVER BACK CALL IF YOU NEED HELP ON +2347087462033
Are you in bad need of love spell to bring back your ex lover or reunite your marriage? Email Dr. Zaba for fast 24 hours solution. I had a problem with my husband a year and six months ago, which lead us apart. When he broke up with me, I was confuse and did not know what to do to get him back, I felt so empty inside. Until i came across Dr.Zaba on the internet on how He has helped so many people solve there various problem. I emailed Him and I told Him my problem and i did what he asked me to do for him to help me, to briefly make the long story short, Before I knew it, in less than 24 HOURS, my Husband gave me a call and he came back to me and told me he was sorry about what was going on between the both of us. Finally I am writing this testimony to offer my thanks and deep gratitude to you Dr. Zaba for keeping to your words and your promises in bringing him back to me in just 24 hours of your powerful spell casting, and for using your gifted and great powers to bring him back. If you need his help, you can email him at: Zaba24hoursspell@yahoo.com or call +2347087462033 Amara Carr from Australia
"HOW I GOT MY EX-LOVER BACK IN
ReplyDelete48HRS.My name is Lucia Fredrick Peters .I
will love to share my testimony and my
experience with the great west africa spell
caster by name: Dr.Okosun Adams, with everyone
around the Globe. This was how I found my
savior. I got married to my husband about 2
years ago, we started having problems at
home like, we stop sleeping on the same
bed,fighting about little things, he always
comes home late at night,drinking too
much and sleeping with other women out
side. I have never love any man in my life
except him. He is the father of my child and
i didn't want to loose him because we have
worked so hard together to become what
we are and have today. Few months ago he
now decided to leave me and the kid. And
being a single mother can be hard
sometimes and so i have nobody to turn to
and i was heart broken because of what
happened. I called my mom and explained
every thing to her. It was then,my mother
told me about Dr.Okosun Adams, of how he helped
her solved the problem between her and
my dad . I was surprised about it, because
they have been without each other for
three and a half years and it was like a
miracle how they came back to each other.
I was directed to Dr Itadon via his email and
I contacted him immediately:
(drokosunadams627@gmail.com) ,and I
explained everything to him,so he promised
me not to worry. That he will cast a spell
and make things come back to how it was.
That my husband and I we be so much in
love again and that it was another female
spirit that was controlling my husband. He
told me that my problem will be solved
within two days ,only if i believed. And i
agreed. He cast a spell for me. and after two
days my lover came back asking me to
forgive him. I'm so happy now,my family is
okay now. That was why i decided to share
my experience with everyone that is having
similar problem like I used to have . Contact
Dr.Okosun Adams the great spell caster on his
email address( drokosunadams627@
gmail.com) I have seen and heard
people testifying about him for issues like
those below that he uses his spell and black
African magic powers to solve. They
includes; (1) If you want your ex back. (2) If
you always have bad dreams and you want
it stopped. (3) If you want to be promoted in
your office. (4) If you want women/men to
run after you. (5) If you want a child(fruit of
the womb). (6) If you want to be rich. (7) If
you want to tie your husband/wife to be
yours forever. (8) If you need financial
assistance from any of your wealthy
relative. (9) LOTTORY wining spell. (10)spell
to cure HIV CURE,MADNESS,BARRENNESS,
EPILEPSY, PARALYSIS of any type,and many
more! He does them all perfectly....You can
contact him for help now,and you can also
extend this helping testimony to a friend in needs. Best regard, Lucia Fredrick.
The purpose of the Round Table Pizza Customer Satisfaction Survey is to collect honest and genuine feedback as possible from the customers of Round Table Pizza
ReplyDeleteTake Costa Vida Survey