THE WAY WE ARE: Kristof says liberals should stop dropping bombs!

WEDNESDAY, MARCH 1, 2017

Part 2—We quickly reject his advice:
Last Thursday morning, Nicholas Kristof offered some good sound advice.

We shouldn't generalize about The Others, the pundit offensively said.

Kristof started his column by recalling a tweet he'd recently loosed on the world. In response to his tweet, we liberals had produced a sample of The Way We (quite frequently) Are:
KRISTOF (2/23/17): A few days ago, I blithely tweeted a warning that Democrats often sound patronizing when speaking of Trump voters. That provoked a vehement reaction.

“Sorry,” Jason tweeted back, “but if someone is supporting a racist ignoramus who wants to round up brown ppl and steal my money, I’m gonna patronize.”

“This is normalization of a hateful ideology and it’s shameful,” protested another.

“My tone isn’t patronizing,” one person responded. “It’s hostile. Intentionally. I won’t coddle those who refuse to recognize my humanity.”

“What a great idea!” another offered. “Let’s recruit a whole bunch of bigoted unthinking lizard brains because we could possibly ‘WIN!’”

And so the comments went, registering legitimate anxieties about President Trump—but also the troubling condescension that worried me in the first place.
In his original tweet, Kristof had said that Democrats often sound patronizing when speaking about Trump voters.

Jason defended the practice. Another reader marveled at Kristof's tolerance for "a whole bunch of bigoted unthinking lizard brains."

To Kristof, these comments reflected a "troubling condescension" on the part of us liberals. But so it frequently goes when we liberals discuss The Others these days.

In the rest of last Thursday's column, Kristof tried to explain and justify his original tweet. Yesterday, we showed you the heart of his argument.

Kristof said he knows plenty of people in his hometown (Yamhill, Oregon) who voted for Candidate Trump. He said he thinks their judgment was "profoundly wrong." But they aren't "hateful bigots," he said, and it's bogus to think that they must be.

Poor Kristof! He was offering human history's least welcome piece of advice. He was telling a gang of tribals that we shouldn't generalize about The Others in the ugliest possible ways.

We shouldn't voice sweeping moral denunciations, Kristof said. When people offer such advice, it rarely turns out well.

One day later, the New York Times published three letters about Kristof's offensive column. As we read the letters, we were struck by the way we liberals will fight for the modern-day right to party—for the right to make sweeping generalizations about those in The Other Tribe.

Tomorrow and Friday, we'll review those instructive letters. For today, let's consider why Kristof thinks we shouldn't generalize, especially in such unpleasant ways.

Why shouldn't we morally brilliant liberals generalize about The Others? In last Thursday's column, Kristof offered three reasons. In our view, two of his reasons were quite strong. One was perhaps a bit fuzzy.

Why shouldn't we liberals generalize about the bigoted lizard brains? For starters, Kristof says such claims will be wrong on the merits.

Kristof explains this ridiculous notion below. Warning: Math is hard!
KRISTOF: There are three reasons I think it’s shortsighted to direct liberal fury at the entire mass of Trump voters, a complicated (and, yes, diverse) group of 63 million people.

First, stereotyping a huge slice of America as misogynist bigots is unfair and impairs understanding. Hundreds of thousands of those Trump supporters had voted for Barack Obama. Many are themselves black, Latino or Muslim. Are they all bigots?
Uh-oh! In that passage, Kristof notes that we're talking about 63 million different people when we drop our bombs. He says those people aren't all bigots. On the merits, he says our claim will be wrong.

The modern liberal will understand how silly such nit-picking is. Like Bannon, we're bomb-throwing Leninists Over Here now. We enjoy the practice of drowning all the cats in one huge burlap bag.

Perhaps anticipating such a response, Kristof supplied a second reason why we shouldn't generalize. In our view, this argument isn't exactly wrong, but it's rather abstruse:
KRISTOF (continuing directly): Second, demonizing Trump voters feeds the dysfunction of our political system. One can be passionate about one’s cause, and fight for it, without contributing to political paralysis that risks making our country ungovernable.

Tolerance is a liberal value; name-calling isn’t. This raises knotty questions about tolerating intolerance, but is it really necessary to start with a blanket judgment writing off 46 percent of voters?
According to Kristof, we feed our political system's growing dysfunction when we demonize all Those People. This is probably true, but Kristof makes little effort to explain his point in sufficiently low-IQ ways.

(Our view? Alas! When we name-call The Others, we do heighten the polarization which has increasingly made political action impossible on the national level. This type of paralysis has long been a goal of those "on the right.")

We think Kristof's second point is basically right, but it's highly abstruse. You'll never get tribals to retract their bombs with fuzzy thinking like that!

That brings us to Kristof's third reason. Why shouldn't we liberals name-call The Others, all 63 million of Them at a time? Even people like Us ought to be able to grasp the point advanced in this potent passage:
KRISTOF: The third reason is tactical: It’s hard to win over voters whom you’re insulting.

Many liberals argue that Hillary Clinton won the popular vote and that the focus should be on rallying the base and fighting voter suppression efforts. Yes, but Democrats flopped in Congress, governor races and state legislatures. Republicans now control 68 percent of partisan legislative chambers in the U.S.

If Democrats want to battle voter suppression, it’s crucial to win local races—including in white working-class districts in Ohio, Wisconsin and elsewhere.

Yes, a majority of Trump voters are probably unattainable for Democrats, but millions may be winnable. So don’t blithely give up on 63 million people; instead, make arguments directed at them. Fight for their votes not with race-baiting but with economic pitches for the working and middle classes.
Replace race-baiting with economic pitches? Who will want to do that?

Once again, our liberal attention will likely fade as Kristof hauls out his big numbers. Still, what he says in that passage is very basic—and in our tribe's subsequent letters of protest, we liberals seemed preternaturally skilled at failing to grasp or consider his point.

In that passage, Kristof makes a perfectly sensible point. Let's review his logic:

Most Trump voters are probably unattainable for Democrats, he quite sensibly says. But then, he makes another key point:

Millions may be winnable!

Presumably, liberals and Democrats might want to win some of those Trump voters in future elections. Dropping our B-bombs on all their heads may not be the best way to do this.

You'd think this point would make so much sense that even we liberals could grasp it. But we're the people who have now managed to lose so many elections that "Republicans now control 68 percent of partisan legislative chambers in the U.S."

We were even able to get the craziest candidate in human history elected to the White House! After twenty-five years of ridiculous failure to function, that's how hapless we liberals are!

The day after Kristof's column appeared, the New York Times published three letters about it. In all three letters, fiery liberals found ways to push back against Kristof's silly advice.

In fairness, it was just three letters. There's no way to know what kinds of letters the Times chose not to publish.

Still and all, those letters were the ones which appeared. As we read them, we were struck by the zeal with which we liberals will fight for the right to bomb The Others.

We were struck by the zeal with which we liberals will fight for the right to make transparently unintelligent statements—and of course, for the right to lose future elections, our one transcendent skill.

Tomorrow: Three liberals respond

37 comments:

  1. A major, significant, part of the problem is that Republicans are able to outspend Democrats in local, state and national races. The alliance of the Koch Brothers with other right wing zealots has had devastating consequences.

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    1. The problem has also been redistricting and gerrymandering, which has created more Republican districts at the local level. Then people who are outnumbered in their district don't vote and their vote is suppressed on the state and national level.

      I am in CA but in a rural district that is so red my vote will never count toward anything meaningful. That is offset by the knowledge that my Republican elected officials will be so outnumbered at the state level that they can do little harm.

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    2. A lot of the Gerrymandering was caused by creating majority black districts. Creating such districts was required by either a judicial decision or an administrative dictate, I forget which. For each very, very heavily Democratic black district, there is more than one majority-Republican district.

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    3. Gerrymandering isn't defined by the purpose for which it is employed. It occurs when natural boundaries are ignored in order to accomplish a political outcome (create a safe seat for one or the other party). There are districts where the boundaries are defined by country or city lines or neighborhoods. If people of the same race or ethnicity live there, it would be natural for them to be grouped in such a district and it wouldn't be gerrymandering just because they are all black (nor do all people of the same race or ethnicity necessarily all vote alike). It is hard to find any Republican districts in the city of Chicago proper because of these considerations. Gerrymandering would be when such a district is broken up along different lines, ignoring city and neighborhood boundaries, to make sure black people are scattered among white voters so that they cannot ever achieve a majority and elect a candidate that will represent black interests. The requirement you are talking about was to undo that kind of discrimination against black voters.

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    4. Then, on the other hand, dickhead DinC, more often nowadays courts are ordering states to cut the shit with messing with black voting rights. See, dickhead DinC, what they do is pack all the AA into a few districts and then clean up all the other congressional seats for themselves.

      See how it works. Like for example in 2012 NC, there were more Democratic votes than Republican votes for congressional seats, yet the Republicans ended up sending 9 Reps to congress vs. 4 Dems.

      Neat, huh.

      A three-judge panel of the Middle District of North Carolina ruled Tuesday that the Republican-drawn legislative map had illegally packed African-American and Hispanic voters into a few districts, ruling that 28 of them were unconstitutional racial gerrymanders.

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    6. Hello,
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      to me. I haven’t had the chance to have a proper relationship with my ex
      because we work together. This will be the final week or work and then I
      wont be around him constantly. Unfortunately, I broke one of the rules in
      the article and have been sleeping with him. Something I’m not proud of,
      especially since he has a girlfriend. Not to mention that she’s a girl he
      dated off and on for 3 years before he dated me.
      When I asked him why he kept sleeping with me even though he was in a
      relationship, his response was because I wanted it, and he wants me to be
      happy. But obviously what would make me happy would be to have him all to
      myself. That was when i read about Dr alexzander on how he help people in
      saving their relationship and i was really desperate for his help. There
      were things in our relationship that were tough. We traveled for 4 months
      right in the beginning, and it was hard due to different expectations. When
      we returned our living situation was unstable which caused a lot of stress
      on my end. And when I ask why he didn’t give me a chance to make things
      better he said he gave me tons of chances. Oh, and he compared our
      relationship with his past. He says that things were great, and then they
      went bad really fast, and that why his back with is Ex. Because it at least
      took them years for things to get that bad. So i was very sad and
      disappointing and decided to contact this spell caster for help with tears
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  2. Poor Kristoff. He KNOWS it wasn't bigotry that got Trump the votes, but like the entire media complex, he just can't come up with any other reasonable explanation. So sad.

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  3. Bob, are you going to do a post about how the media refused to use the term "nanny-state" to describe Trump's speech last night?

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  4. Hillary did that and these lost souls didn't listen. Why would they next time?

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  5. It seems like a losing proposition to talk liberals out of the name-calling they are doing out of anger and frustration at having the election stolen. We have the right to be mad about that. It is too soon to suggest that we all move on, especially when Trump commits a new outrage daily. Anger is an appropriate response. It is motivating protest, which is needed and effective, and it is keeping people involved when it is tempting to become discouraged and give up.

    Somerby is very wrong to be arguing this way. He doesn't get the way people in his own party feel. He should try his empathy on us before he wastes it on Trump voters.

    Empathy should be used not only to determine what legitimate reasons Trump voters may have had, and address their concerns. It should be used to figure out what other motives Trump voters hold that they are not as willing to tell us about. I think angry liberals are more in touch with those other motives than Somerby is. Trump voters are: confused, greedy, ignorant, bigoted, fearful of change, afraid of death and thus everything else, and unable to grasp the complexity of life in the modern world. They are losers, which is why they are so happy when Trump calls us the losers and tells them they are winners because Trump is a winner (despite having won by cheating). He redeems their failures and they vicariously enjoy his lifestyle and thus forget the poverty of their own.

    Meanwhile, Trump himself is scum and doesn't deserve to be discussed because it wastes good people's time to do so.

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    1. This is meant as satire, right?

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  6. I like how 'Voter suppression' is liberal code for bothering to guard against voter fraud. That's right up there with 'Pro-choice'.

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    1. I like how "voter fraud" is a figment of the imagination which can't be seen, but you know it has to be real. Right up there with God, and Saddam's WMDs.

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    2. Voter fraud is about people who do not have the legitimate right to vote. Voter suppression is about people who do have the legitimate right to vote. Liberals are concerned about the latter. Conservatives are concerned about the former.

      When conservatives express concern about a problem that doesn't occur frequently and propose measures that will interfere with voting by legitimate voters, it appears that they are trying to suppress voters not control voter fraud. Conservatives need to show some concern about the rights of legitimate voters in order for liberals to stop accusing them of vote suppression.

      But you are a troll writing from some backward country where you probably don't get to vote at all (or are voting for a candidate who gets 98% of the ballots). That's no doubt why this is so confusing for you.

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  7. Here is a saying that makes the rounds among conservative voters: "Liberals vote for what feels good, conservatives vote for what does good."

    Tell me that isn't patronizing and condescending. They actually believe this about themselves and us. The meme of liberals voting emotionally doesn't fit other stereotypes about being intellectual or elite or favoring science, or being condescending for that matter, does it?

    Remember the trolls here who were claiming that liberals only pretend to like blacks and support social programs because it makes them feel good to be considered good people, help others, etc. There is a kind of twisted Ayn Randism to that view. It is what they really think about us. So we aren't coming across as patronizing or condescending. We are coming across as childish hypocrites who want to give away the store for their own selfish pleasure (boost to self esteem).

    They are idiots to think that, obviously. But the defensiveness is also obvious -- it keeps them from listening to our criticism and maintains their own self esteem.

    So Somerby and Kristol are both way off base on this. And we aren't going to convince them to vote differently by using more economic arguments. They don't want to be us.

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  8. Why does Kristol only hear liberal condescension and not conservative condescension?

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    1. Conservatives don't tend to condescend because they don't flatter themselves the way progressives do. Conservative politics are about solving problems for humanity, not boosting their self esteem.

      "When people publicly rage about perceived injustices that don't affect them personally, we tend to assume this expression is rooted in altruism—a "disinterested and selfless concern for the well-being of others." But new research suggests that professing such third-party concern—what social scientists refer to as "moral outrage"—is often a function of self-interest, wielded to assuage feelings of personal culpability for societal harms or reinforce (to the self and others) one's own status as a Very Good Person."

      http://reason.com/blog/2017/03/01/moral-outrage-is-self-serving

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    2. Both liberals and conservatives feel moral outrage, about different things. The emotional source (guilt) may be the same in both cases, but the focus of that moral outrage is clearly different. I disagree that conservatives don't condescend. There is nothing in the article you cited that says they don't either.

      These researchers happened to use situations relevant to liberal concerns but I'd bet they'd get similar results if they tested the pro-life crowd or used a scenario about people on welfare or drug users. The researchers didn't choose to do that.

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    3. Funny how Reason.com only talks about psychology when it fits their worldview.

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    4. Conservatives don't condescend, because they've never been correct about anything. It's bad enough the get away with bitching about "government waste" and "the nanny state", after whole-heartedly supporting the biggest waste of government money in generations (George W. Bush's Grerat Iraq Clusterfuck).

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  9. Bob Somerby "Millions may be winnable!"

    ????

    Any evidence of that?

    Has there ever been a case of even a single Trump supporter being convinced to change their minds?

    Even one?????

    Nope.

    Democratics represent significantly more people than Republicans, Republicans are represented more in congress due to redistricting gerrymandering, which outlawing is supported by a majority of people but gets shut down by Republicans, as it did in Florida. Want evidence of Trump supporters generally being deplorable? Read the commenters at Republican websites:

    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/12/06/michael-moore-dems-in-congress-represent-the-majority-their-responsibility-to-obstruct-trump/

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    1. There is evidence many changed their minds about Democrats after they voted for Obama and switched to Trump.

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    2. That's why I think there was sexism involved. People were OK with voting for a man but not a woman. There just wasn't enough difference between Obama and Clinton's policies to justify such a switch and the economy had improved in the interim, so it doesn't make much sense otherwise.

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    3. 2:44 PM,
      They had no choice but to vote for Obama. What were they going to do, vote for the Republican? They just spent years making believe they were something called "The Tea Party", so they wouldn't be associated with the last Republican President's disastrous record.

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  10. Trump voters watch the liberals clinging to their hate and a few even intentionally provoke them into making their own version of Hillary's hateful deplorables speech. They figure being on the receiving end of attacks by unhinged bigots setting cars on fire or dressed like vaginas is worth the payoff of a few more court justices and years of GOP majorities in congress.

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    1. Those pussy hats are pink cats ears, not vaginas, but maybe you see them differently.

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    2. Who says Liberals and Conservatives can't agree? 2:43 AM, like me, won't be happy until Wall Street lays in ashes.

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    because we work together. This will be the final week or work and then I
    wont be around him constantly. Unfortunately, I broke one of the rules in
    the article and have been sleeping with him. Something I’m not proud of,
    especially since he has a girlfriend. Not to mention that she’s a girl he
    dated off and on for 3 years before he dated me.
    When I asked him why he kept sleeping with me even though he was in a
    relationship, his response was because I wanted it, and he wants me to be
    happy. But obviously what would make me happy would be to have him all to
    myself. That was when i read about Dr alexzander on how he help people in
    saving their relationship and i was really desperate for his help. There
    were things in our relationship that were tough. We traveled for 4 months
    right in the beginning, and it was hard due to different expectations. When
    we returned our living situation was unstable which caused a lot of stress
    on my end. And when I ask why he didn’t give me a chance to make things
    better he said he gave me tons of chances. Oh, and he compared our
    relationship with his past. He says that things were great, and then they
    went bad really fast, and that why his back with is Ex. Because it at least
    took them years for things to get that bad. So i was very sad and
    disappointing and decided to contact this spell caster for help with tears
    running out of my eyes and Dr alexzander promised to make things right in
    my relationship and also assured me that my boyfriend is going to come back
    to me within 78hrs. At first i was shock and didn't believe him because i
    thought it was impossible to do. But i gave it a try and trusted him. Dr
    alexzander asked for my details and his, then guarantee me of his return.
    Truly my ex lover started calling me and also begging me to forgive him and
    that's his willing to give us a second chance, then promised me never to
    love any other woman apart from me. it all seem like a miracle to me till
    now. Dr alexzander. Words can't express how i feel right now. it been 2
    month now since you caste that love spell for me and nothing have gone bad
    between us. his now caring more than ever and also the loving kind of Man i
    have ever wanted for myself in life. I thank you Dr alexzander for saving
    my relationship. Indeed you are the best. I want to use this media to share
    my testimony for the whole world to see and know that there is still hope
    in your broken relationship, No matter how bad it seems don't give up hope
    and also contact this man who saved my own. you can reach him through his
    website address http://alexzanderhightemple-com.webs.com or contact him
    direct with his email address alexzanderhightemple@gmail.com. I thank you
    Dr alexzander for helping me and i will always share my testimony in every
    social media or place i may go to.
    (From United State Of America).
    Mrs Tracy Grilli.
    http://tracygrilli.blogspot.com.tr
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  14. My life is devastated! I’m going through hell right now or from the past one month.One month ago,i broke up with my bf.We both were completely in love.But i started having some issues with myself.My mood swings were a lot to handle for him an that point i just felt the need to break up and so i did.And i hurt him to the core which i never wanted to.He kept on begging me but i didn’t hear.Later on he started avoiding me and kind of did everything as you said in your video.it felt bad.I always loved him but i had to break up.I regret breaking up so much.But after that he said no to me.He said he’ll never come back as he cannot put faith in me.I have tried my level best but he is adamant that he cannot trust me.Even though after i realised what i did.I changed myself completely.I dealt with my mood swings and now i don’t get any.He cannot trust me.what should i do?I love himand he does too but he says he don’t have that much courage to come back. one day in my office going through the internet i saw a post of a lady giving testimony on how she got her husband back,i also come across a blog site on how to reunite and get your ex back with a love spell it was really amazing to see this so i copy his email id on http://happyspelltemple.webs.com/ i explain my situation to him and gave him all the details he requested from me, he give me 3 days assurance that my boyfriend will come back after the spell i was so overwal to hear that so i just keep calm and follow up his order coz i really love my boyfriend and want him back. on the third day after the spell as he promise me, my ex call me also show up in my office begging me to forgive him and accept him back with out no delay, i lift him up with a kiss and was so very happy to have him back all my happiness was from Dr happy he is indeed a true man a father and a god sent. plz contact Dr happy on his email id direct at happylovespell2@gmail.com or call his mobile number on +2348133873774

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  15. My wife is back!!!
    My name is Albert Brown. I had a problem with my wife six months ago,which lead to us going apart. When she broke up with me,i was no longer myself,I felt so empty inside. Until a friend of mine told me about a spell caster that helped in same problem too, that she found on Web page. i emailed the spell caster and I told him my problem and I did what he asked me to briefly To cut the long story short,before i knew what was happening,not up to 48 hours,my wife text me and said she wanted to come back and so she came back to me and told me she was sorry about what has happened, she now tell me every time and every day that she loves and miss me. I'm so grateful to this great spell caster Dr Noble and i will not stop publishing his name on the Internet just for the good work he has done. If you need any help you can contact this great man he will help you any any way you want, you can email him at templeofjoyandprosperity@gmail.com i guarantee you that he will also help you okay

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  16. WOW!!!
    This is the most wonderful thing i have ever experience and i need to share this great testimony.
    About how i get my ex back after a breakup.
    I never believed it, because i never heard nor learn anything about it before.
    My name is Cora L. Sanchez from UK
    My boyfriend of a 2year just broke up with me and am 28 weeks pregnant. I have cried my self to sleep most of the nights and don’t seem to concentrate during lectures sometimes I stay awake almost all night thinking about him and start to cry all over again. Because of this I end up not having energy for my next day’s classes, my attendance has dropped and am always in uni and on time. Generally he is a very nice guy, he ended it because he said we were arguing a lot and not getting along. He is right we’ve been arguing during the pregnancy a lot. After the break up I kept ringing him and telling him I will change. I am in love with this guy and he is the best guy I have ever been with. I’m still hurt and in disbelief when he said he didn’t have any romantic feelings towards me anymore that hurt me faster than a lethal syringe. He texts me once and then mainly to check up on how am doing with the pregnancy, he is supportive with it but it’s not fair on me, him texting me as I just want to grieve the pain and not have any stress due to the pregnancy. i was really upset and i needed help, so i searched for help online and I came across a website that suggested that Dr Ahmed can help solve marital problems, restore broken relationships and so on. So I felt I should give him a try. I contacted him and he told me what to do and i did it then he did a spell for me. 28 hours later, my boyfriend came to me and apologized for the wrongs he did and promise never to do it again. Ever since then, everything has returned back to normal. I and my boyfriend are living together happily again.. All thanks to Dr Ahmed. as it is a place to resolve marriage/relationship issues, do you want to be sure if your spouse is being faithful to you or Do you want your Ex to come back to you Contact.: E-mail: Ahmedutimate@gmail.com or call/Whats-app: +2348160153829 save your crumbling home and change of grades its 100% safe. I suggest you contact him. He will not disappoint you.

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  17. Hey!I was in a relationship for quite along time almost 7 years, he cheated with a girl almost 11 years younger than him I took him back because I love him so much. He promised me the world never to leave me never to let me go to make me happy and to make it up to me everyday. 7 weeks later he has broke up with me after a few arguments .. he told me he can’t do it that I’ve ruined everything I deserve it all I’ve treated him bad he gave up his job overseas but he only gave it a week afrer he quit. he has left me in bits and is 1 week later out with other girls please help I don’t know what to do he is telling me he will never ever get back its over and he will never give it a go I have begged and I don’t know why I don’t no why he has done this to me I feel so lifeless… one day in my office going through the internet i saw a post of a lady giving testimony on how she got her husband back,i also come across a blog site on how to reunite and get your ex back with a love spell it was really amazing to see this so i copy his email id on http://happyspelltemple.webs.com/ i explain my situation to him and gave him all the details he requested from me, he give me 3 days assurance that my boyfriend will come back after the spell i was so overwal to hear that so i just keep calm and follow up his order coz i really love my boyfriend and want him back. on the third day after the spell as he promise me, my ex call me also show up in my office begging me to forgive him and accept him back with out no delay, i lift him up with a kiss and was so very happy to have him back all my happiness was from Dr happy he is indeed a true man a father and a god sent. plz contact Dr happy on his email id direct at happylovespell2@gmail.com or call his mobile number on +2348133873774

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  18. Hey guys, Get your ex back fast with the help of a real and genuine spell caster called Dr.Unity.
    I'm so excited my broken Marriage has been restored and my husband is back after a breakup, After 2 years of marriage, me and my husband has been into one quarrel or the other until he finally left me and moved to California to be with another woman. i felt my life was over and my kids thought they would never see their father again. i tried to be strong just for the kids but i could not control the pains that torments my heart, my heart was filled with sorrows and pains because i was really in love with my husband. Every day and night i think of him and always wish he would come back to me, I was really upset and i needed help, so i searched for help online and I came across a website that suggested that Dr Unity can help get ex back fast. So, I felt I should give him a try. I contacted him and he told me what to do and i did it then he did a (Love spell) for me. 28 hours later, my husband really called me and told me that he miss me and the kids so much, So Amazing!! So that was how he came back that same day,with lots of love and joy,and he apologized for his mistake,and for the pain he caused me and the kids. Then from that day,our Marriage was now stronger than how it were before,All thanks to Dr Unity. he is so powerful and i decided to share my story on the internet that Dr Unity real and powerful spell caster who i will always pray to live long to help his children in the time of trouble, if you are here and you need your Ex back or your husband moved to another woman, do not cry anymore, contact this powerful spell caster now. Here’s his contact: Email him at: Unityspelltemple@gmail.com ,
    you can also call him or add him on Whats-app: +2348071622464 ,
    his website:http://unityspelltemple.yolasite.com .
    Jessica, 26 years, Texas, USA.

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