BREAKING: Our heroic Resistance has done it again!

THURSDAY, JUNE 21, 2018

First thoughts about what has occurred:
It didn't take long for us to start clapping ourselves on the back. The New York Times published the official congratulatory letter this morning:
LETTER TO THE NEW YORK TIMES (6/21/18): Well done, resistance. The protesters, the media that told the stories of the children, the politicians, medical professionals and celebrities who spoke out, the many who donated money to organizations that support immigrant families, and the Americans who took to social media let President Trump know what we want America to look like.

And he backed down. The people spoke, and the people were heard.

H— A—, OAK PARK, ILL.
Are we tired yet? Tired of all the winning?

We'll admit that we've had a slightly different reaction to what has occurred in the past week, though we haven't thoroughly researched our reaction. We'll offer it among a few other first reactions:

How did it get so far: Attorney General Sessions announced the switch to "zero tolerance" back in April. We're not sure why it took two months to figure out what was going to happen—indeed, to determine what was happening in more than two thousand cases.

For the past day or two, we've been puzzling about the apparent slow reaction. This morning, though, the Times let us know that our amazingly insightful team has brilliantly done it again!

Concerning Donald J. Trump: Is it possible that Donald J. Trump is some type of "sociopath?" We ask for the following reasons:

Pundits keep saying that Trump didn't anticipate the way the separation of children from their parents would look to the American public. Apparently, Stephen Miller wasn't able to make this prediction either.

Could it be that these guys are "sociopaths?" We ask because a certain percentage of people are, and because, unless we're mistaken, sociopaths may tend to have difficulty grasping the way certain behaviors will appear to others.

Could the president possibly be a sociopath? We regard that possibility as a matter of pity, not as a matter of hatred. Unfortunately, any such discussion is officially verboten. At the start of the year, the New York Times ruled that such discussions are bad.

Pity the fool: We pity the poor American citizen who tries to get clear on the basic facts concerning what has happened. We've been especially puzzled by Linda Qiu's fact-check piece in yesterday's New York Times.

As she started, Qiu fact-checked the following statement by Trump. We'll admit that we were more confused by the time we were done than we'd been when we started:
TRUMP: We have to get the Democrats to go ahead and work with us. Because as a result of Democrat-supported loopholes in our federal laws, most illegal immigrant families and minors from Central America who arrive unlawfully at the border cannot be detained together or removed together, only released. These are crippling loopholes that cause family separation, which we don’t want.
As best we can tell, three statements have been made there:
Three statements by Donald J. Trump:
1) As a result of loopholes in our laws, most illegal immigrant families and minors...cannot be detained together.

2) As a result of loopholes in our laws, most illegal immigrant families and minors...cannot be removed together.

3) Illegal immigrant families and minors...can in fact be released.
At the end of her fact-check, Qiu seems to acknowledge that the third statement is accurate. We were puzzled by her treatment of the first two claims. Here's the way she started:
QIU (6/20/18): Mr. Trump is again wrongly claiming that Democrats are responsible for “loopholes” that necessitate breaking apart families at the border.

The White House cites a 1997 court settlement and a 2008 law as these loopholes. Neither mandates detaining parents and separating children from their families.
Alas! In the quoted statement, Trump didn't claim that the settlement or the law mandated detaining parents and separating children. It seems to us that the murk in Qiu's treatment grows deeper from there. We thought her next paragraph was a genuine semi-doozy.

We're frequently puzzled by Qiu's work. For our money, the Times offered a much clearer "explainer" report today.

That said, we liberals are currently being propagandized too. Our president may be some type of sociopath, but there's a great deal of disordered behavior within our modern elites.

How did this latest disaster get so far? Did all the watchdogs abandon their posts? Does anyone know the answer?

20 comments:

  1. "Is it possible that Donald J. Trump is some type of "sociopath?"[sic]"

    It certainly is possible; after all, he's now a politician.

    But most certainly less so than the psycho-witch and Barry the Demigod, who are career politicians.

    Moreover, had he been a sociopath, I'm sure the establishment media would've loved him.

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    1. "the psycho-witch" and the "Demigod"?
      Bob, I got your sociopath right here.
      He's nucking futs.

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    2. I read Mao's comments daily to see which lie he tries to launch that day.

      FYI Bob, He is a lying sack of shit.

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  2. People act like they've never seen a grifter before.
    Dear America, you need to get out more.

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  3. Qiu isn't the problem. Immigration law is complex and that's why lawyers are needed to sort it out. Qiu doesn't want to sound legalistic so she tried to address the bigger picture. Somerby objects to the way she glossed details and assumed facts not in the specific quote (but said by Trump on other occasions).

    I have no doubt that Somerby is confused about many things. Trump counts on people being confused by his lies. It is part of why he does it. The more confusion, the more likely people will give up trying to understand and just accept what he says and does.

    Somerby complains that we should have known what would happen when he announced the zero tolerance policy in April and asks why the opposition waited until now to complain. What an ass Somerby is. First, you must wait until a wrong is committed to complain. Second, asking people to imagine the effect on children is not the same as showing them the effect. Public support is needed to exert sufficient pressure on Trump and his people to achieve any change. Third, how does Somerby know the opposition wasn't complaining right from the first announcement? Does he associate with immigration activists? Does he know what was done back in April to oppose this? I'll bet any amount he doesn't. But he is ready to complain and call the opposition feckless. Because he never applies that term to the people who deserve it.

    Where is any expression of concern about the immigrant families affected by this policy from Somerby? Even a pro forma acknowledgement that this is a wrong thing would help. Somerby wonders whether Trump is a sociopath because he implemented a policy that his base would love. Does that make his base a bunch of sociopaths too? And we get dinged for calling Trump followers deplorables, but Somerby gets to call Trump a sociopath, which is a far more serious term?

    I don't think it lets Somerby off the hook for his many attacks on liberals that he occasional calls Trump a mentally ill person (without diagnosis or any expertise of his own to justify that).

    Instead, Somerby wants to imply that Democrats are to blame for everything because they could have stopped this back in April instead of waiting to see toddlers ripped from their families.

    Somerby is such an ass and he didn't start being one in April, although we didn't hear him voice any objection to toddler imprisonment back then.

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    1. Here's what Somerby doesn't know or doesn't care to know:
      A report from last month:

      https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sessions-zero-tolerance-policy-may-cause-families-to-be-split-at-border/

      In it, the following people/groups are listed as opposing the policy:

      Amnesty International

      U.S. Rep. Bennie Thompson of Mississippi, the top Democrat on the House Homeland Security Committee

      American Civil Liberties Union

      Also, this:

      "a Trump administration lawyer did not dispute a report in The New York Times that more than 700 children had been taken from their families since October"

      Yes, that New York Times. The foppish one.

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    2. Anon 3:21pm, the zero tolerance policy has been going on since April.

      Here's a piece from Politico that details the circus of confusion, miscalculation, and sheer media demagoguery surrounding this latest drama.

      https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/29/stephen-miller-democrats-border-574537

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    3. "demagoguery surrounding this latest drama"

      Not just demagoguery. Another manufactured hysteria, I'd say.

      Has it already been explained why this horrific nazi-like atrocity was perpetrated on Putin's orders?

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    4. Putin's response was to stop the adoption of Russian dossiers.

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    5. Mao spells out the modern Conservative movement in all it's glory.
      If it didn't happen to a white male, it didn't happen.

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  4. Somerby has called Trump crazy. He's called him a grifter and a money-grubber.

    Now he wants to call Trump a sociopath.

    How do you go about showing that someone is a sociopath? You talk about the things that person has said that are untrue or hurtful. You show how that person's behavior hurts others (separating immigrant children from their parents), or how that person has swindled or cheated others (examples of his grift).

    All of this seems to be exactly what the news media is doing.

    As a side note, how do you think The Others would respond to the "liberal" media calling Trump a sociopath? Not much guesswork is involved here.

    And "pity" for a President who's a sociopath? Sure. Whatever floats your boat. If true though, it is all the more imperative he be removed, out of pity for our country.

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    1. sociopathy (psychopathy) is a clinical diagnosis

      It doesn't necessarily consist of the things you describe, which can fit behavior of people who are not sociopaths too.

      If Trump won't give the public information about his physical health, he isn't going to let anyone diagnosis and reveal his mental health. So it is all speculate of a type that would be unethical for a trained clinician to engage in.

      Somerby is behaving irresponsibly. But he isn't really interested in Trump's mental health. He is being paid to defend Trump and his columns have devolved into rehashes of the latest Trump propaganda talking points, with his own particular brand of repetitiveness and name calling.

      The president deserves no pity. Even the most deranged person should be prevented from hurting others, simply because hurting people isn't in the job description for the presidency. You don't tolerate misbehavior simply because the person doing it is a sociopath. You lock the guy up so he won't do bad things any more.

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