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SATURDAY, JUNE 30, 2018

Interlude—The New York Times does it again:
We've all heard about high school kids who are "working on third grade level."

What happens when a nation's most famous newspaper seems to function that way?

This question arose as we read the latest report by Harris and Hu about Mayor de Blasio's heroic attempt to "desegregate" New York City's eight high-powered "specialized high schools."

In print editions, this latest report consumes the whole of this morning's page A18—the first page of the Times' "New York" section.

As usual, this full-page report asks us to be shocked, shocked about what the Times is reporting. For itself, the Times seemed to be shocked to learn this less-than-shocking fact:

High achievement is taking place in the schools with the highest achievers!

Beyond that, the report continues a standard practice by the Times. Once again, we're asked to believe a subjective account from a school official even as the Times fails to present the relevant data—data which strongly tend to contradict the impression the official conveys.

In its constant failure to report basic data, the New York Times keeps choosing to work on grade school level. At best, it's pretending to cover Mayor de Blasio's peculiar new proposal.

In this morning's report, Harris and Hu are shocked to learn that lots of kids from the city's "highly selective" middle schools are gaining admission to the city's eight specialized high schools.

How silly is this stance? If we assume the scribes are sincere, we'd place their analytical skills on something like second grade level. Let's start with a basic review:

At the end of fifth grade, New York City assigns many of its highest achievers to "highly selective" middle schools, where they, quite correctly, pursue an advanced course of study.

Please understand! In any sensible public school system, these same higher-achieving kids would pursue an advanced course of study, even if they attended a large, academically diverse, "neighborhood school."

Instead, New York City sends many such kids to certain "highly selective" schools. Three years later, lot of kids in these high-powered schools gain admission to the city's eight high-powered high schools.

The New York Times, along with the mayor, seems to be shocked by this result. Why would schools which are full of high achievers turn out high achievers? The Times is bollixed by that!

You'd think a newspaper couldn't get dumber than that. Today, the Times has made its latest attempt.

At issue is the Rafael Hernandez Dual Language Magnet School in the Bronx, a school which hasn't seen a lot of its kids gain admission to the eight "specialized high schools."

In two separate passages, Harris and Hu quote the principal of this school. He seems to feel that his students are getting shortchanged by current admission procedures.

His assessment of his school and his students is completely subjective. Later, we'll show you the basic data, which seem to diverge from his view:
HU AND HARRIS (6/30/18): For the Rafael Hernandez Dual Language Magnet School in the Bronx, the change would be equally profound [under the mayor's proposed plan]. This year, 63 students at the school took the SHSAT. None scored high enough to be admitted. The year before, just three made the cut, and two the year before that. Under the new plan, the school would send six students to the specialized schools every year. “What they want to do, it’s going to open the door for a lot of my students,” said Sergio Caceres, the school’s principal.

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Dr. Caceres, the Bronx principal, said that half of his eighth-grade students already take advanced math and science classes, and have the ability and work ethic to thrive in a challenging school like Bronx Science. His students do not do well on the SHSAT, he said, in part because most of their families cannot afford tutoring. When the results came back this spring, some of the students were so disappointed they cried.

“Don’t you think it’s embarrassing that Bronx Science is in the Bronx and only a handful of students are from the Bronx?” he asked. “People might think we don’t have the students, but we do have the students.”
Caceres believes that more of his students should be gaining admission to the eight high-powered high schools, including his own borough's prestigious Bronx High School of Science.

According to Caceres, half his eighth-grade students are taking "advanced math and science classes." He says they have what it takes to succeed at a high-powered school like Bronx Science.

"We have the students," he says. He says they don't get admitted to the specialized schools because their parents "can't afford tutoring." Presumably, this is a reference to SHSAT test prep.

He says it's embarrassing that his kids don't get admitted to the specialized schools. In one respect, that's certainly true. But let's take a look at the record!

For the record, Caceres could always be right in his basic assessment. That said, his basic assessment is completely subjective. For example:

Just exactly how "advanced" are those "advanced classes?" Harris and Hu don't ask. Routinely, professional skepticism heads for the door when the Times hands you moments like this.

In today's dose of bathos, Times readers are left with the subjective assessment of a middle school principal who's an interested party. Incomparably, we decided to take a look at the statistical record.

Under the mayor's peculiar proposal, admission to these eight high-powered high schools would be based on two factors—a student's grade point average, and his or her scores on New York State's annual statewide tests. (The current SHSAT admission test would cease to exist.)

Luckily, a school's performance on the statewide tests is a matter of public record. We decided to compare the performance at Hernandez to the performance at Booker T. Washington Middle School, one of the "highly selective" middle schools which gets kicked around, for the ten millionth time, in today's report.

How well do the kids at Hernandez perform as compared to the kids at Booker T. Washington? Caceres says his kids have the tools. The data seem to say something different.

Remember—scores on these New York State tests would be one of the mayor's chosen metrics. We aren't vouching for the utility of these data. Mayor de Blasio is!

Below, you see the basic data the Times withheld in favor of a subjective assessment from an interested party. We'll explain the data below:
New York State math test, Grade 8
2016-2017 school year

Booker T. Washington Middle School:

Average student proficiency rating: 3.88 (of maximum 4.5)
Percentage of students achieving proficiency: 86.2%

Rafael Hernandez Magnet School:
Average student proficiency rating: 2.61 (of maximum 4.5)
Percentage of students achieving proficiency: 30.4%
Do you want to know the difference between a "performance level" and a "proficiency rating" in the complex lexicon of the New York City schools?

We're assuming you don't! At any rate, Booker T. Washington's average proficiency rating was much higher than that achieved at Hernandez.

Meanwhile, a student is rated "proficient" in math if he or she achieves a "performance level" of 3 or 4 on the statewide test (as opposed to a 1 or a 2). At Booker T. Washington, 86% of the kids scored proficient. At Hernandez, the number was thirty percent.

This doesn't mean that Hernandez doesn't have kids who would benefit from the high-powered programs of a school like Bronx Science. Indeed, in the school year under review, three kids from Hernandez gained admission to specialized high schools through their performance on the SHSAT.

That said, how does the principal's glowing assessment seem once you've seen the data? Does it still seem weird to learn that Booker T. Washington has been sending many more kids to the specialized high schools, as opposed to the school in the Bronx?

Does that principal's subjective assessment seem to jibe with those data? Of one thing you can be certain—you will never be told about such data by the New York Times.

With great persistence, the Times provides subjective assessments from parents and principals while hiding key data away. They disappear New York City's enormous achievement gaps. Today, they slid past basic test scores as they fed you the story they like.

In its reporting on de Blasio's plan, the Times has been working on second-grade level. This is why we say that:

The first objection is obvious. The Times never identifies the obvious, bewildering question raised by the mayor's proposal.

If Gotham has as many high-achieving kids as the mayor claims, why would the city continue to run just eight high-powered high schools? Why wouldn't the mayor open four additional high-powered schools? Why not add eight more?

De Blasio's failure to address that question is the most gobsmacking part of his ugly "race war" proposal. The Times refuses, again and again, to identify this puzzling aspect of his peculiar proposal.

Beyond that, the Times keeps pretending to be surprised when middle schools which enroll the city's highest performers end up graduating large numbers of high performers.

You'd have to be extremely dumb to be puzzled or shocked by that. To drown its readers in propaganda and bathos, the Times keeps offering subjective assessments from interested parties while locking key data away.

Educationally, we're in favor of challenging every one of New York City's great kids to the maximum extent that makes sense. Journalistically, we're opposed to childish dissembling and to brain-dead propaganda.

Journalistically, do you ever get tired of being played by a newspaper like the Times? For ourselves, we tired of that in the 1990s.

In its coverage of the "desegregation plans," the New York Times has been working on second-grade level. Except in the realm of propagandistic melodrama, it'a barely performing that well.

The Rafael Hernandez Magnet School is full of superlative kids. The data suggest that it isn't full of Gotham's highest performing students—rather, that this onrushing state of affairs hasn't come to pass just yet.

Where do numbers come from: To peruse the data, just click here. After that, follow these simple steps:

Select "NYC School Survey." Enter the name of the school in question, then click "Find."

Click on "Student Achievement Outcomes." Scroll down to "State Test Metrics."

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  1. "Journalistically, do you ever get tired of being played by a newspaper like the Times?"

    "Journalistically"'s got nothing to do with it. You're a member of a cult, Bob; a zombie death-cult. And as in any cult, the leaders always know all the right answers, and "propagandistic melodrama" is exactly what they do to motivate the flock. You must obey, Bob, and never question the authority, your "most famous newspaper"...

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  2. Minority gifted kids are not always well-identified using test scores. Somerby's derision of the principals "anecdotal" claims shows Somerby's ignorance. Then he compares mean scores at the schools, as if they meant anything at all about the individuals who are the highest performers.

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    1. Certainly some kids are not good test-takers, and so may indeed not be well measured by the SHSAT. Are you saying that is particularly true for minority kids? If so, What is your basis for believing that? Presumably "minority" does not include Asian kids here?

      More generally, proponents of the change owe us some basis for asserting that the change will be an improvement over the existing admissions process. What are the metrics by which that improvement can be measured? So far, that seems to be lacking. In my view Somerby's complaint that the arguments we have seen so far are, at best, "anecdotal" seems to be, if anything, generous.

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    2. Yes, Claude Steele studied what is called stereotype threat. It occurs when kids know they are expected to do poorly and thus worry about their performance. That distracts cognitive resources from the task at hand and becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. It also occurs with respect to women and math and white males compared to Asians and math. So the stereotype threat goes the opposite direction for whites and Asians. You can google him -- he is a psychology professor at Stanford and has published a great deal on this topic.

      Fairness is an important goal, not just performance metrics.

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    3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype_threat

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    4. You have to be careful with Steele’s results on stereotype threat. It’s often interpreted as saying that on average, black and white students score the same when there is no threat, but that the usual gap appears when a threat is introduced. (A “threat” would be telling test takers that the test is an intelligence test and asking the test takers to identify their race. The threat is removed when test takers are told the test is a problem-solving exercise invented by the researchers.)

      In fact, absent a threat, the black/white gap was the standard one, what one expect based on previous SAT scores. Introducing the threat, made the gap larger. Go here

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    5. I am not interpreting Steele's findings that way. I am suggesting that a student's normal performance may be decreased when threat is introduced. I am not suggesting that average students are average because of threat. I am suggesting that gifted minority students (who are outstanding in the classroom and obviously gifted in their teachers' estimations) might not do their best work on a test due to threat, especially if they understand that it is a selection test. It is accepted among educators of gifted children that additional measures should be considered when selecting gifted students because tests alone tend to disadvantage minority gifted students. I am not suggesting that average students would be gifted if testing weren't involved -- although Somerby seems to think that is being suggested by de Blasio. I am suggesting that it is hard to identify minority gifted students using testing alone.

      The distribution of scores for black students is a normal curve, just as it is for white students, with a lower mean. There will still be some students in the tails of that distribution who will qualify as gifted, if not as many. Some will gain admittance on scores alone. Others may be borderline and might meet the selection criterion if factors such as threat were taken into consideration. That justifies a lower cutoff for such students and that is what de Blasio is suggesting. This is routine in many school districts. It is not lowering the bar for black students. It is understanding the impact of lower expectations and bias on their test performance and adjusting appropriately. No one wants to put average students into gifted classes.

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    6. Anonymous on July 1, 2018 at 4:08 PM,

      I’m not suggesting that you’re interpreting Steele’s findings in any particular way. If indeed, you’re the same Anonymous. I can’t tell since none of you has the common courtesy to use a nym. Steele’s findings, however, are commonly interpreted in the way you eschew. All I said, was be careful with Steele’s research.

      TDH isn’t imputing to de Blasio the view that average students would be gifted absent testing. He’s saying that claims that gifted black and Hispanic students are eliminated by testing is based on subjective claims of interested parties. And that once you’ve instituted ostensibly objective numeric criteria for admission to coveted programs, you risk a firestorm by changing those criteria to take race into account. (Put scare quotes around the word race if you wish.)

      I’m not opposed in principle to “adjusting appropriately” the entrance criteria to elite schools just because I don’t know how to do that. I’ll ask you the question I asked at 2:32P: what do you suggest as a better way to find out which students will do well in the calculus classes at the Bronx High School of Science than by asking applicants to solve problems in precalculus? If you think asking applicants to solve such problems is fine, what is a fairer and safer way to judge the applicants other than rank order of success in solving those problems?

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    7. I have a PhD in psychology and have published a book on gifted children. I have worked in education since the 1980s. But you go ahead being the know-it-all who cannot listen to what anyone else says. Calculus isn't all there is to science so why should a calculus test determine who goes to a science high school? You can tell me what's common in my field when you get some god damned credentials.

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    8. Anonymous on July 1, 2018 at 9:13 PM

      On the intertubes, anybody can play a PhD in psychology or claim to write a book on gifted children. So I don’t give a goddam about your claimed credentials.

      I’m not the one who can’t listen to what anyone else says. In fact, I’m the one saying I’m open to appropriate adjustments to entrance criteria even when I don’t know how to do that.

      I’m also not the one making shit up about what TDH says.

      The SHSAT isn’t a calculus test because none of the students taking the test has studied calculus. The mathematics tested by SHSAT is the prerequisite for studying calculus, which yes, isn’t all there is to science. But if you don’t think calculus is critically important for understanding science, then you don’t know fuck-all about science.

      Which, come to think of it, is supporting evidence for your having an advanced degree in psychology. So I may have been too hasty in my first sentence.

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    9. The article does not express shock about the students that currently attend SHS and offers no analysis on that subject beyond noting that they are "disproportionately Asian and white." It discusses who would win and who would lose under the new proposal.

      Calculus is only important for understanding a few subsets of science. High School science classes do not use calculus. Colleges teach calculus better than high schools. A new study that examined the impact of high school math on college found that:

      "Mastery of the mathematics considered preparatory for calculus was found to have more than double the impact of taking a high school calculus course on students’ later performance in college calculus, on average. However, students with weaker mathematics preparation gained the most from taking high school calculus."

      Bronx High School of Science is 22% white and 63% asian.

      Science and engineering workforce in the US is 69% white and 28% asian.

      Of the 40,000 students that have graduated from the Bronx High School of Science in the last 40 years, they claim about 50 currently in the science and engineering workforce. Their list of graduates who have won Nobel Prizes, all graduated in the 1940's-60s, all white men.

      https://www.nctm.org/Publications/Journal-for-Research-in-Mathematics-Education/2018/Vol49/Issue3/The-Path-to-College-Calculus_-The-Impact-of-High-School-Mathematics-Coursework/

      https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/diversity-in-science-where-are-the-data/

      https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/List_of_Bronx_High_School_of_Science_alumni.html

      Mayor de Blasio claims to have a comprehensive plan to improve education in NYC, dealing with issues like achievement gaps through ideas such as building 100 new community schools. His office offers various information:

      https://www1.nyc.gov/office-of-the-mayor/news/281-18/mayor-de-blasio-chancellor-carranza-plan-improve-diversity-specialized-high/#/0

      https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/communityschools/downloads/pdf/community-schools-strategic-plan.pdf

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  3. "The Rafael Hernandez Magnet School is full of superlative kids. The data suggest that it isn't full of Gotham's highest performing students—rather, that this onrushing state of affairs hasn't come to pass just yet."

    Does the school have to be "full of" high performers to fill 6 seats?

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  5. My complaint about NYC's system is pretty basic.

    I find standardized tests to be ridiculously vulgar, a kind of burlesquing of education. Same with excessive reliance upon grades, and grade grubbing. It must be my Paul Goodman/John Holt/Edgar Friedenberg background.

    Related to this, I don't think that the best and highest score on standardized tests = the "best" students.

    I think De Blasio's basically correct here (he's a 60s guy on this too), and if Asian kids are truly good students then they'll excel with the new criteria. Let's get away from grade grubbing and performance art.

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    1. Why would you think the "best schools" are the best schools- except in a ridiculously vulgar sense?

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    3. How are you going to determine which students will do well in the calculus classes at the Bronx High School of Science if you don't ask the applicants to solve problems in precalculus?

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  7. Usually the author is very interested in discussing race, class and education. Today the NY Times actually does and he throws a tantrum about it.

    Since the author of this blog is pretending to not know what segregation is, here's segregation in his own words:

    "If Gotham has as many high-achieving kids as the mayor claims, why would the city continue to run just eight high-powered high schools? Why wouldn't the mayor open four additional high-powered schools? Why not add eight more?"

    Here's the description of the students he showers with praise that would make up one of these high-powered schools:
    "the Booker T. Washington Middle School in Manhattan, where 150 students did. All of them, like the specialized high schools, have enrollments that are disproportionately Asian and white."

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    1. "Since the author of this blog is pretending to not know what segregation is, here's segregation in his own words:"

      Actually, dear Zombie, it's you and your bosses who are "pretending to not know what segregation is".

      Because when you say 'segregation', you're alluding to a certain legal concept of the past (the so-called Jim Crow laws), that has nothing to do with the current situation.

      And you and your bosses are deliberately alluding to that legal concept, in order to stir 'racial' animosity.

      And the author voices his objection to your chicanery.

      Comprende?

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