DOGMA SPREADS: Qualified candidates lose all the time!

WEDNESDAY, MARCH 11, 2020

It even happens to men:
We liberals! For decades now, our floundering tribe's "intellectual leaders" have been saying the darnedest things!

These leaders have shown great skill at seeing no evil within their own guilds. They've proceeded to give awful advice to the rank-and file—to make crazy statements like this:
MADDOW (3/5/20): I think that a lot of women around the country right now feel differently about you dropping out. Whether or not they were supporting you specifically for president, you leaving the race feels different.

If Hillary Clinton can't win when she gets the nomination, and then you can't get the nomination, and neither can Kamala Harris and neither can Amy Klobuchar and neither can Kirsten Gillibrand, I mean, I think part of what's going on today is that women around the country are like, "OK, honestly, you know? If it's not, if it's not going to be any of them, let's get real."

Is it just, is it just that it can't be any woman ever? Are we just going to run, you know, white men in their late 70s against each other, both parties, and that's all we can agree to do?
If the channel ever posts a transcript, the transcript will appear here.

At any rate, thus spake Rhodes scholar Maddow, speaking to Elizabeth Warren, the most brilliant candidate ever. Like so much of the intellectual leadership with which our floundering tribe has been saddled, the statement made no earthly sense.

Let's summarize what this thought leader said:

Four conventionally qualified women had pursued the Democratic nomination for president. With Warren's suspension of her campaign, it was clear that none of the four was going to win.

According to Maddow, this seemed to suggest that no woman will ever get nominated, in either of the two major parties, at any time ever again. If none of those four women got nominated, that means that no woman ever will!

It's possible to come up with a dumber assessment, but it wouldn't be easy. Just four years ago, a woman did get nominated by the Democratic Party, and she went on to win the popular vote in the general election.

Meanwhile, a politically talented woman is widely believed to be positioning herself for the Republican nomination in 2024. Why would Warren's failure to win the Democratic nomination mean that Nikki Haley can't get to the White House that year?

Why would anyone react to Warren's defeat in the crazy way Maddow did? We can't answer your sensible question, but we liberals have been saddled with this type of "intellectual leadership" for a good many years.

Late last week, Warren's decision to throw in the towel brought out the progressive Big Crazy. All across the liberal and mainstream landscapes, people stepped forward to insist that The Most Brilliant Candidate of All Time had lost because of sexism and misogyny, full stop.

We'll give more examples of this Scripted Tribal Reaction in the next few days; The Crazy gets rather intense. For today, though, we'll only note this:

Our tribal thought leaders were now eating our own. In 2016, Candidate Clinton had aimed her unfortunate denunciation of the "irredeemable" "deplorables" at the other team's voters.

The condemnations were now on the other foot! When Warren finished third in Iowa; when she then finished fourth in New Hampshire (one of her neighbor states); when she finished third in her own state's primary; when she registered very poorly among her party's black voters;

When Warren delivered these results, it had to be, by rule of law, because of sexism and misogyny. But the misogyny now belonged to us—to us Democratic voters, more than half of whom are women.

The sexism came from the black church ladies who voted in South Carolina. Our thought leaders had already come for Republican voters. Now they were coming for us.

Reactions like Maddow's often seemed to stem from a belief that Candidate Warren was The Greatest and Most Brilliant Candidate Who Ever Sought Nomination. While such assessments are always a matter of judgment, that particular judgment strikes us as nearly insane.

In our view, Warren was a terrible candidate, not unlike the rest of this year's classically beatable Democratic field. But we'll put that discussion on hold till tomorrow. For today, let's consider a truth universally acknowledged by people familiar with politics:

The vast majority of White House contenders lose. They don't win their party's nomination—and this even happens to men!

Most White House candidates lose, men as well as women. With that in mind, the fact that four women chose to run this year didn't mean that one of them somehow "deserved" to win.

Most qualified men who ran this year also failed to get nominated. And good lord! Down through the many long years, before women began to run for the White House, long lists of qualified male candidates crashed and burned in the nomination fight.

Most men don't win nomination! Consider some of the major stars whose candidacies didn't take off:

Bill Bradley, 2000: Bill Bradley had been a national figure since he was a Princeton basketball star.

All the way back in 1965, the New Yorker's John McPhee wrote a hagiographic profile of the college senior. In the fall of 99, the Washington Post remembered the famous piece:
VON DREHLE (9/12/99): At the tender age of 21, William Warren Bradley became the symbol, for America's elite, of virtue. In 1965, he was profiled at nearly book length in the New Yorker magazine by a fledgling writer named John McPhee. The New Yorker in that period was the most admired magazine in the world.

In those pages, America's opinion makers met Bill Bradley, rendered by the dazzled McPhee as an almost unimaginably good and gifted young man—not only the finest basketball player in college at the time, but perhaps "the most exemplary youth since Lochinvar," an outstanding student, a religious leader, a model of self-discipline, a physical marvel, a philosopher-prince.

[...]

Throughout the article (which later became a book, "A Sense of Where You Are") it was clear that basketball was just the beginning. Bill Bradley was so good, so able, and so inspiring that—as the author noted more than once—he would probably be president someday.
Bradley was announced as a future president when he was still in college. He proceeded to spend a year as a Rhodes scholar; to play on a championship NBA team; and to serve eighteen years in the Senate.

He was highly qualified, and revered by the press, until they finally turned against him. (Too "aloof," they finally said, in January 2000.) But when Bradley finally ran for the White House, he lost every single caucus and primary to his lone opponent, Candidate Gore.

Highly qualified male candidates crash and burn all the time. Consider some of the others:

Bob Kerrey, 1992: Kerrey had won the Medal of Honor as a Navy SEAL in Vietnam. He served one term as governor of Nebraska, then was elected to the Senate in 1988.

Meanwhile, how handsome and charismatic was Kerrey? So handsome and charismatic that he had persuaded Deborah Winger to move to Nebraska!

But when he sought his party's White House nomination, he finished third in New Hampshire, then dropped out of the race after doing very poorly, early in March, on that year's version of Super Tuesday.

Jack Kemp, 1988: Before its merger with the NFL, Jack Kemp had been an AFL football star. In 1971, he entered Congress as a self-described "bleeding-heart conservative," though one with moderate views on most social issues.

He was the Paul Ryan of his day, although he was almost surely less phony. Granted, he was the only candidate who had ever abandoned a prior profession because he'd taken too many blows to the head. But he had served in the House as a respected Republican right on through his White House bid in 1988.

The handsome football star went nowhere. After a miserable Super Tuesday, he was forced to quit.

Ted Kennedy, 1980: Ted Kennedy's last name was Kennedy. He failed to win the Democratic nomination in 1980.

Ronald Reagan, 1976: Ronald Reagan was Ronald Reagan. He only won his party's nomination the second time around.

George Bush the elder and John McCain also failed the first time around. Also, Bob Dole and Al Gore—and Hillary Clinton! Sometimes, you have to suck it up and try again before you start bellyaching.

We've listed some higher-profile male candidates who lost. There's a long list of lower-profile though thoroughly qualified male candidates who didn't get a sniff.

In 1988, Senator Paul Simon went nowhere in the Democratic race. Within the mainstream press, "professorial" became his middle name.

(In 2003, Simon's obituary in the Los Angeles Times started off like this: "Former Sen. Paul Simon, a Democrat with a professorial bow tie who ran for president in 1988 as a budget-balancing liberal, died Tuesday of complications after heart surgery.")

In 1992, Richard Lugar sought the Republican nomination. He had served two terms as mayor of Indianapolis, including a stint as president of the National League of Cities. As of 1992, he was serving his third term in the United States Senate, where he had served as chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee.

Lugar was generally believed to be on the brighter, saner end among national political figures, but he was also dull as dishwater. He went nowhere in the nomination fight. Fully-qualified male candidates lose pretty much all the time.

It's very hard to get nominated for president. Many try; almost everyone fails. But how odd!

When four qualified women took the leap in the current campaign, our hapless thought leaders apparently thought that one of them was somehow required to win. When it didn't turn out that way, our thought leaders came for us. We were now the terrible people, including those women down South.

Our tribe's thought leaders are stunningly dumb. Can a major tribe prosper this way?

Anthropologists tell us it can't be done. Our tribe seems eager to try.

Tomorrow: The most brilliant candidate ever

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  2. "Why would Warren's failure to win the Democratic nomination mean that Nikki Haley can't get to the White House that year?"

    The answer to this question is that people are Republicans because they prefer traditional gender roles for women and do not support women's issues such as choice or equal pay or domestic violence, or Title IX or the ERA or pretty much anything progressive that benefits women. That makes it less likely that Republicans will support a female candidate than that Democrats would.

    It is true that McCain chose Sarah Palin as a running mate, but she was treated as a joke, even by Republicans, and was not the head of the ticket.

    There seems to be an idea that radical change is more acceptable when it comes from the right, but that hasn't happened in real life, except for some issues that mainly benefited business. Democrats are the party of change because that is what is means to be liberal/progressive.

    So Somerby is being ridiculous with this suggestion. Nikki Haley's name is being used by the right and she will be given no chance, because she is not viewed as someone with her own ideas, but is another Trump lackey. A man cannot win from that position either. Whoever succeeds Trump needs to be perceived as a leader, not a follower.

    So Somerby is playing conservative games with this suggestion, which is mostly meant to irritate liberals.

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  3. Somerby mocks liberals by calling Warren the most brilliant candidate of all time. Warren is certainly smart, but not smarter than Hillary or any number of male candidates. But being smart is a liability for a woman, and to a lesser extent to a male candidate too.

    People were saying that Warren had good plans and a track record of effectiveness as a senator, not that she was "the most brilliant candidate of all time." She is well qualified and would have been a better president than Bernie or Biden. That is what people are saying. But Somerby has to exaggerate into a ridiculous claim that is easier for him to mock, I guess.

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  4. With his list of male candidates who were either unsuccessful or needed several tries, Somerby implies that women haven't paid their dues, that they expect to have something handed to them that they haven't earned.

    When you look back and see that there has NEVER been a female president, you cannot justly say that women need to wait their turn and pay their dues before any female candidate can be nominated.

    It would make more sense to say that Hillary did that and when it was her nomination, Sanders sabotaged that, because he felt that as a first-try candidate, he was entitled to his revolution and was so peeved to lose the primaries that he wouldn't support the better qualified female nominee.

    That is how things look to women. Since there are no codified rules about who can be nominated, the continuing failure to ever nominate and push for a female nominee is held against the men who hold power in our political establishment. Pointing to all the male losers changes nothing about that.

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  5. “According to Maddow, this seemed to suggest that no woman will ever get nominated, in either of the two major parties, at any time ever again.”

    Maddow is asking a question. It reflects what many women really do feel. She wants to know what Warren thinks about this feeling. Warren responds, and Somerby prints none of Warren’s response.

    The rest of Somerby’s post is nonsense.

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  6. "When it didn't turn out that way, our thought leaders came for us. We were now the terrible people, including those women down South."

    Who is "us"? I suppose that refers to everyone who didn't support Warren, which includes all of the supporters of other candidates. But actually, there has been a widespread commentary coming from liberal male writers on a variety of websites, that Warren didn't get fair treatment during the debates or in the mainstream press, and they have called this sexism. Maybe that is the "us" Somerby is referring to, but I think it is probably an "us" he has been ignoring, in favor of beating up on Maddow (as if she were the only person dismayed by Warren's experience).

    There were clearly very few Southern women supporting Bernie. Black Southern women did support Warren, but I doubt that is who Somerby is talking about either. He wants to imply that Democratic women have tossed The Other women on the trash heap, as if Southern women are all conservatives.

    I wonder if Somerby understands that increases in the statistics of deaths by despair are largely driven by middle aged, white, Southern women -- other demographics are largely unchanged across time. These women may be Trump voters, but they are the people who Warren cares about, the ones who might have been helped by her presidency.

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  7. “When Warren delivered these results, it had to be, by rule of law, because of sexism and misogyny. But the misogyny now belonged to us—to us Democratic voters, more than half of whom are women.”

    There are, of course, different post-mortems in the media. Not everyone is ascribing Warren’s failure purely to sexism. There is no “law” demanding this view.

    On the other hand, Somerby seems to be disputing the idea that sexism or misogyny play any role at all in presidential elections. One has to be willfully blind, or putting on an act, to think this. Why else would he waste time listing a bunch of male candidates who failed? That is entirely irrelevant to the idea that sexism plays a role for female candidates that it does not for male candidates.

    Also, is he trying to suggest that “we”, meaning, presumably, voters in the Democratic primaries/caucuses, can’t possibly be sexist, or that the fear of sexism doesn’t enter into the strategic thinking of these voters? There is some analysis that could be done, but it is plausible to assume that the sexist Democratic primary voters chose Sanders, as they did in 2016. The swing in the WWC vote from Sanders in 2016 to Biden in 2020 is quite significant in Michigan for example. Granted, it isn’t proof, but it is suggestive.

    And the attitude of primary voters in 2020 is an entirely different consideration from the attitude of voters in the 2016 general election, so you can’t really compare the two things.

    Why Somerby continues to want to make the argument, “Hillary won the popular vote in her 2016 electoral loss, thus sexism wasn’t a factor” is unknown.

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    1. Hillary said that sexism was a factor. In her book "What Happened" she describes the role of sexism in the chapter headed: "On being a woman in politics".

      She also talks about her deplorables statement and each of the other factors that affected her campaign and the outcome.

      Or you might watch the documentary about her (on Hulu) or listen to her new podcasts. She is as astute as any of the pundits who have been ruminating, and she has the advantage of inside information. She isn't running again, so she is no longer being as circumspect in her statements about any of this.

      In my experience, women tend to believe that being extra competent can overcome sexism. That was Hillary's strategy -- she stuck to the high road and worked extra hard. That was also Elizabeth Warren's strategy. Maybe women need to stop being "good girls" who tend to follow the rules, and adopt the mean, devious, under-handed dirty-tricks approach to politics. Hillary got tarred with that brush anyway but her scruples didn't let her adopt that kind of approach. Bernie didn't let idealism stop him from fighting dirty.

      Many of us voted for Hillary and Warren because we don't like that aspect of politics and wanted a clean, idealistic president, not one like Trump or even one like the traditional image of a politician. Part of our disappointment is with the system, which seems to have no room for someone who follows the rules and lets the voters decide. Maybe that has never been how the system works, but we hoped for a clean system that could be made to work for the people again, to benefit voters not corporations. It seems to me that sexism means rejection of those ideals too, along with the one that says a woman can get fair and equal treatment in politics.

      I spent my early career in business and left because of the meanness and the corruption. I didn't want to fight as dirty as men do. It is time to admit that men drive women out of elections because they behave aggressively and have no limits on what they will do for power. That was Warren's disappointment with Bernie, who broke agreements with her and made her look foolish by denying his own statements. She expected him to be honorable but he wasn't (and isn't). It is hard to accept that men want this kind of government, this kind of leader, but actions speak for themselves.

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  9. “When Warren delivered these results, it had to be, by rule of law, because of sexism and misogyny.”

    “If none of those four women got nominated, that means that no woman ever will!

    It's possible to come up with a dumber assessment, but it wouldn't be easy. Just four years ago, a woman did get nominated by the Democratic Party, and she went on to win the popular vote in the general election.”

    Umm...

    “the decade of misogynist trashing of Hillary Clinton almost surely put Trump where he is.”

    Said B Somerby:
    http://dailyhowler.blogspot.com/2020/03/chris-matthews-leaves-and-jack-welch.html

    ???

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    1. Of course it was the misogyny.

      Also, her deplorables comment.

      And the fact that she was a terrible candidate.

      But definitely the misogyny.

      But also, the fact that liberals are dumb, lazy, and exude a moral squalor, and are virtue signaling elitists who only care about identity politics and hating The Other.

      But almost surely, it was the misogyny.

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    2. And the fact that her party passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
      Fun fact: a Democrat hasn't won the white vote in a national election since then.

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    Why aren't y'all voting for her? Not only you aren't voting for her; you pretend she doesn't even exit.

    Y'all are misogynists, aren't you?

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