AFTERMATHS: So far, the polls haven't changed a whole lot!

THURSDAY, JUNE 6, 2024

Blue voters, puzzled by Reds: On this important historical day, we start with a brief review of a short-term political aftermath. Our question:

Has Candidate Trump been hurt in the polls in the wake of last week's guilty verdicts? 

Kevin Drum says that maybe he has, though only a little bit:

Poll: Trump’s felony conviction has hurt him only slightly so far

At New York magazine, Ed Kilgore largely concurs:

Trump vs. Biden Polls: Conviction Not Having Big Impact Yet

So far, nothing much has changed in the polls in the wake of the guilty verdicts. This may fly in the face of earlier surveys which reported that a substantial portion of Trump's supporters were saying that they would refuse to vote for a convicted felon.

Such speculative surveys never made much sense. At any rate, a much more important event is only a few weeks away. Our guess would be this:

If the June 27 debate takes place, it could strongly settle the question, one way or the other, about Candidate Biden's ability to proceed toward a second term. If the scheduled debate occurs, this is the very large question which will be looming:

Candidate Trump can bullsh*t for hours—but how well will President Biden be able to perform?

In the wake of last week's verdicts, Trump may have suffered a small bump back in the polls. This morning, the New York Times runs several letters about his voters' reactions. 

Two of those letters are worth reviewing. They appear beneath this headline:

How Will Trump’s Conviction Affect the Election?

The first of these letters refers to a recent column by Frank Bruni. It starts with a perfectly decent question about Candidate Trump's many voters:

To the Editor: 

Mr. Bruni fears that Donald Trump’s newfound status as a convicted felon may not be enough for him to lose the election. Although Mr. Bruni may be right, he and the rest of us who desperately want to keep this despicable demagogue from returning to the White House should consider why so many millions would vote for a candidate with a criminal record.

The letter starts with a simple question. Why would so many millions of people vote for a convicted felon? 

Those of us in Blue America frequently seem to be puzzled by this situation. In our view, this is a sign of intellectual weakness within our own (imperfect) Blue tribe.

We're puzzled when Trump's voters refuse to switch! Why would such people vote for a felon? The letter continues like this:

(Continuing directly): Mr. Trump’s appeals to grievance and nostalgia for a bygone era have found fertile ground among the non-college-educated working class whose economic advancement has stalled over the past several decades. In many cases Mr. Trump simply exploits racism and xenophobia, but legitimate injury is there as well.

Income gains have stagnated despite rising productivity; good blue-collar, union jobs have been offshored, replaced by lower-paying nonunion jobs in the service sector; and the profit-driven health care system grows increasingly heartless.

With his declarations of a system rigged against both him and his supporters, Mr. Trump has cynically channeled anger at elites who have successfully ridden out or even engineered capitalism’s latest jolts.

Although Mr. Trump leads the party that has traditionally championed the interests of the moneyed elite, Democrats have largely failed to offer a compelling alternative for these disaffected voters. The Democrats need to start concentrating on progressive solutions to working-class woes, and President Biden must make a convincing case for the real-life impacts of his not-insignificant achievements.

If this does not happen, we could well see a second Trump presidency, no matter how many criminal counts he has against him.

Why would so many people vote for a convicted felon? The writer's various speculations may all have some merit. That said, we'll quickly suggest this aside:

Every time we Blues talk about "low-information voters"—in this case, when we talk about "the            non-college-educated working class"—another Trump voter gets his or her wings.

At any rate, as he starts, that letter writer seems puzzled by the fact that so many people are willing to vote for a man with a criminal record.  In our view, he failed to list some of the most obvious reasons for that phenomenon as his letter proceeded.

Correctly or otherwise, many voters in Red America regard the trial which ended last week as a sham and a fraud. That would be an obvious reason why the verdicts wouldn't lead them to change their votes. The writer of that first letter doesn't seem to be clear about this.

Alas! Given the way our journalism now works, those of us in Blue America may not understand the lay of the land over there among the Reds. 

Why aren't voters in Red America moving away from Candidate Trump? The second letter in today's Times collection starts with a winning irony. 

The writer then cites a report about one voter who has decided to switch her vote in the aftermath of the verdicts:

To the Editor:

It seems to me there are two important ironies underlying the reflections of the Times Opinion writers on the verdict. The first is that even though Donald Trump was worried that the revelation about Stormy Daniels might have harmed his election chances—and for that reason he bought her silence and falsified business records—it turns out that he apparently needn’t have bothered since, as the Opinion writers seem generally to agree, many voters are not particularly concerned by his conduct.

The second irony suggested by at least some of the Opinion writers is that not only may Mr. Trump’s conduct not harm his election chances, but the decision to prosecute him for that conduct may actually help his chances.

For example, Matthew Continetti argues that the prosecution “undermined confidence in the rule of law and rallied G.O.P. voters to Trump.” And Maureen Dowd reports her sister saying: “I wasn’t going to vote for Trump. But now I am because I thought this whole thing was a sham.”

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For starters, we recommend the irony lodged in that opening paragraph. The irony runs like this:

According to the letter writer, many voters don't seem to care about the fact that Donald J. Trump is reported to have engaged in sexual congress, on one occasion ten years before the 2016 election, with a woman who wasn't his wife.

(Trump says it didn't happen.)

Many voters don't seem to care about that! For ourselves, we can't say that they should.

At this point, the writer moves to his first irony.  If Daniels had simply "told her story"—instead of seeking a sackful of cash—maybe that wouldn't have hurt Trump at all! 

(Who knows? It might even have helped him!)

As his letter continues, the writer goes on to cite a second irony. Maureen Dowd's sister is switching her vote because of the guilty verdicts.

She has decided to vote for Trump! Like many others, rightly or wrongly, she thinks the whole thing was "a sham!"

At any rate, how about it? Should voters in Red America care about the guilty verdicts? Why are so many people still willing to vote for Candidate Trump, who is now "a convicted felon?"

Many of us in Blue America seem to be puzzled by that second question. We may tend to fall back on our preapproved story—they're a bunch of racists and bigots!

Why might Trump voters refuse to switch in the wake of those verdicts?  That first letter writer skipped right past some obvious possible reasons. 

Tomorrow, we'll show you what two major legal figures said when they were asked, on Meet the Press and Face the Nation, if Candidate Trump has any basis for a successful appeal.

Is there any chance that Trump's convictions could be overturned on appeal?  On our own, we have no way of knowing—but we do know why so many Trump voters are paying no mind to those guilty verdicts:

They have been told, again and again, that the whole prosecution was a joke and a hoax and a scam. 

Is there any merit to what they've been told? Could it be that some part of the answer is yes?

Tomorrow, we'll look at what Cy Vance and Preet Bharara said last Sunday about Trump's chances to win on appeal. 

As we noted yesterday, Bharara said that some of the likely appeals are "non-frivolous." What did he mean by that?

What did Bharara mean by that? The subject was quickly dropped at that point, so we can't exactly tell you.

We can tell you this:

Almost surely, Maureen Dowd's sister isn't alone in her view of what happened. Rightly or wrong, a lot of people may believe that the prosecution was a sham.

We aren't saying that their view is right. (We also aren't saying they're wrong.) 

But others could maybe be shifting their votes in favor of Candidate Trump. Due to the way our discourse now works, many of us in Blue America may not be aware of such facts.

Tomorrow: What Vance and Bharara said

108 comments:

  1. Bertien van Manen and Alexander Lang have died.

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  2. "The letter starts with a simple question. Why would so many millions of people vote for a convicted felon?"

    Well, is there any other major candidate who credibly claims prioritizing national interests over those of multinational corporations, imperialist megalomaniacs, and retarded moonbats?

    Anyone? None? Wake me up where there is one.

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    1. What's your favorite? Alcoa or Reynolds wrap?

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  3. Didn’t we see this same post from Bob before?

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    1. Bob just ain't cognitive no more, Dave.

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  4. Candidate Trump can bullsh*t for hours—but how well will President Biden be able to perform?

    That is one fucking bizarre way to frame the debate. Boy, I don't know.

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    1. It's the most sensible description of debates.

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    2. Right, the entire burden is on President Biden, who at this moment is honoring the 80th Anniversary of D-Day in France, while the convicted felon is howling at the moon. That makes perfect sense.

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    3. Apparently the last Biden Trump debate slipped down Bob's Memory whole. You remember, where Trump refused to abide by the rules of the debate, and let the other person speak? That it was so bad the next debate was canceled?

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    4. The result of the Biden-Trump debates was that Biden became President.

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  5. If a man is convicted in a sham case, that qualifies him for the Presidency. Maureen Dowd's sister is cognitive.

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    1. It disqualifies those who convicted him in a sham case. And after that there isn't much of a choice.

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    2. Can you provide a list of all the unfortunate things that have happened to Trump in his life that were "rigged" and a "sham", please. Thank you in advance.

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    3. Yes, when will those who rigged the emmy awards against him be brought to justice?

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  6. Steve Bannon might just get locked up.

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/judge-trump-adviser-steve-bannon-begin-prison-sentence/story?id=110890486

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    1. It's a jailable offence for a Republican to refuse a Congressional subpoena.

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    2. But, congressional subpoenas can be ignored with no consequences if the congressional majority is Republican

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    3. Not quite, @12:09. Republicans do hold a majority in the House. But, the Justice Dept. wouldn't prosecute if they if the Reps forwarded a complaint against a Dem.

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    4. Why wouldn't it rightly be viewed as politically motivated, David?

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    5. DIC, your comment is not particularly coherent, and to the extent that it is, it appears false.

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    6. David, you want the justice department to prosecute the Attorney General because he is refusing to give them the audio from an investigation that has been closed with no referral? The Special Counsel already testified before the committee and the transcript has been released. This is the very definition of weaponizing the justice system and it's republicans who are doing it. When there is no referral for prosecution of the subject of an investigation, it's over. So sit the fuck down, clown.

      It has been almost 800 days since Rep. Jim Jordan was subpoenaed to testify to the Jan 6 bipartisan committee. You think he needs to be prosecuted?

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    7. How come that audio is so super-secret and can't be released? Is it a threat to national security?

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    8. Given that no wrongdoing was found, why should private personal information be given to the Republicans so they can manufacture lies with it, as they did to Hunter Biden?

      Hillary cooperated fully with every investigation and look how they treated her. She is still being called crooked and Trump is still saying she should have been locked up, even though no one has ever found anything she did to justify such treatment.

      If our government released private, personal info it has gathered on innocent individuals, it would be abusing the privacy and Fourth Amendment rights of citizens.

      It isn't that the audio is super secret but that it is none of anyone's business once the investigation found no wrongdoing.

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    9. @2:26, go back and read 1984 (George Orwell).

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    10. Are you stupid, 2:26?

      When there is no referral for prosecution of the subject of an investigation, it's over. So sit the fuck down, clown.*

      * Unless of course your name is Hillary Clinton, in which case you can violate DOJ policy to your heart's content, right till the end.

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    11. But why can't the audio be released? To the congress, of all people. Or even to any person who wants to listen to it. Is it a threat to national security?

      Isn't this audio recoded by the government of the people, for the people, and by the people? Paid for by people's money?

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    12. Because that is not what is done in any other case that has been closed to protect the subject. Just because Jim Jordan and the other lunatics in the House are taking a temper tantrum banging the floor and chewing the carpet, it is not a good enough reason to violate the privacy of the person who has been cleared. OK, fuckface?

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    13. To protect the subject? From what? From whom? From the public?

      They released a transcript. Was it a fake transcript? If not, why not release the audio? Politicians and government bureaucrats work for the public. If the public (or part of it) want to listen to the audio, there has to be a very good reason to refuse releasing it. Is it national security?

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    14. From Republicans and their dishonesty.

      What could Republicans do with audio. They could claim Biden slurred a word that was unintelligible, for example. They could distort the tape themselves and claim it proved Biden was guilty not innocent. They could make a big fuss about why Biden wasn't charged, even though there is no basis for it. In other words, they could be a major nuisance to everyone because they will do anything to hurt Biden's candidacy and that includes his personal life.

      How much restraint was shown when Hunter Biden's supposed dick pics were waved around during a congressional hearing?

      These are very good reasons for refusing to release audio.

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    15. The public does not have a right to have access to the recording, and the Republicans obviously want the recording to manipulate it for their benefit.

      The reasons why the audio is not being released has been addressed and is old news, here is how Politico reported it weeks ago:

      “The absence of a legitimate need for the audio recordings lays bare your likely goal — to chop them up, distort them, and use them for partisan political purposes,” White House Counsel Ed Siskel wrote in the letter to Republican House leaders Thursday morning revealing Biden’s decision. “Demanding such sensitive and constitutionally-protected law enforcement materials from the Executive Branch because you want to manipulate them for potential political gain is inappropriate.”

      Garland asked Biden to block release of the audio recordings, citing concerns that making them public could prompt high-ranking White House officials to be less cooperative in future investigations.

      “The Committees’ needs are plainly insufficient to outweigh the deleterious effects that productions of the recordings would have on the integrity and effectiveness of similar law enforcement investigations in the future,” Garland wrote in a letter to Biden dated Wednesday.

      During a brief exchange with reporters at the Justice Department Thursday morning, Garland defended the privilege claim as a principled one and suggested the House was demanding the audio as part of a broader campaign to delegitimize the department and federal law enforcement more generally.

      “We have gone to extraordinary lengths to ensure that the committees get responses to their legitimate requests, but this is not one,” the attorney general said. “To the contrary, this is one that would harm our ability in the future to successfully pursue sensitive investigations.”

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    16. They released the transcript. If they now refuse to release the audio, the public will reasonably conclude that it was a fake transcript. There is already more than enough distrust of the government. Or was it a fake transcript?

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    17. There is nothing reasonable of the House Republicans. Nothing. We all see it. So go pound sand, maggot.

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    18. I tell you what. We'll release the audio of Biden when Trump releases the audio of his interview by Mueller. LOL! Oh, never mind, I forgot, Trump is a lying bastard chickenshit yellow-bellied coward and refused to do the interview.

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  7. I predict Hunter Biden will be acquitted. In the Old South, in any black-white dispute, juries will invariably convict black defendants and acquit white defendants. Blue state juries are like Jim Crow juries – they will always convict Republicans and always acquit Democrats. This particularly true in Deep Blue occupied territories like Manhattan and DC.

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    1. 11:56 - When Hunter gets convicted, I’m sure you’ll come back and apologize for equating randomly-selected and then vetted jurors who live in blue areas with racist jurors in the Jim Crow south.

      Oh wait, you’re an anon, so after this hit you’ll just hide away, right?

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    2. Catch me if you can, Peed Pooper.

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    3. PP: Somerby's White Knight

      also

      PP: Somerby's hall monitor

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    4. How can trolls complain about anonymous commenters being ubiquitous while also hiding away?

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  8. Joe Rogan has 3 million listeners, so his opinion has impact.
    "If you change the way people are allowed to go after political candidates, and you change the way you're allowed to silence and imprison your candidates, then we're like Mexico. We're just not assassinating people yet. We're like a third-world country. We're like a banana republic," Rogan said.
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/06/05/rogan_its_scary_how_many_democrats_are_willing_to_set_these_precedents_to_go_after_trump.html

    I boldfaced Rogan's word 'yet'

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    1. Really, DiC? Trump got all the due process afforded those who have the money to buy high-priced lawyers under our system, and he’ll get much more through a lengthy appeal process. You really think all this process is but a gateway to political assasinations? I think you hyperventilate.

      And parenthetically, assasinations historically (JFK, RFK, MLK) have been the tool of the right in this country.

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    2. Lee Oswald was not a rightist.

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    3. And it’s the right who feel entitled to trash civility and norms by storming the Capitol and hunting down our elected representatives. If you’re worried about political violence, you might want to worry about those who “stand down and stand by.”

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    5. I'll take Thomas Sowell's word over Rogan's - although they are both right wing grifters.

      Sowell has distaste for Trump, refuses to endorse him, and says he lacks the maturity to be President.

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    6. Anonymouse 12:20om said, “Lee Oswald was not a rightist.”

      And Sirhan Sirhan was upset over RFK’s support for Israel in the Six-Day War.



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    7. Lee Oswald was more or less a communist. He had contacts with Castro's Cuba. MLK was assassinated by probably a Democrat. RFK was assassinated by a Muslim IIRC. I cannot recall his grievance.

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    8. @12:25 I didn't know Rogan was right wing. Do you have evidence that he is? Thanks

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    9. Piped Piper, would attempts to burn down the mayor of Minnesota’s condo building, as well as several city halls, a historic DC church, and stores in scads of major cities count as trashing civility and norms?

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    10. Surprised that there was not one person with a modicum of fairness in the Trump Manhattan jury.

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    11. The arc of the Republican Party in my lifetime is Bill Buckley to Joe Rogan. A sad and dangerous state of affairs.

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    12. The evidence points to Oswald's connections with "communists" as being directed by the CIA, not an ideology he personally held.

      Furthermore, none of those contacts had much to do with communism (a science-based ideology on expanding democracy to the workplace), as they were in reality authoritarians operating under state capitalism.

      Oswald was no leftist.

      And neither was Ray, the man charged with killing MLK jr, who very well may have been part of a right wing government conspiracy, but was definitely a racist and supported Wallace's presidential run. Back then, southern Dems were mostly racists that then all switched to the Republican Party with the Southern Strategy.

      The ignorance and ahistorical nonsense featured by right wingers/Republicans is wielded as a weapon by these clowns.

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    13. Rogan endorsed Trump in 2020, and DeSantis for 2024.

      Rogan has often used the n word, and said that being in a Black neighborhood in Philly was like being on the Planet of the Apes.

      Rogan platforms right wing loons from Gavin McInnes to Jordan Peterson to Tucker Carlson, largely agreeing with their views.

      Rogan is well known for his right wing stances, and is part of a cohort of grifters that performatively attempted to appeal to "libs" briefly before a hard turn to the right, including other lunatics like: Glenn Greenwald, Jimmy Dore, Tim Pool, Dave Rubin, Bret Weinstein, Russell Brand...on and on.

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    14. Joe Rogan makes $250 million per year. He says he used to be liberal but now there is a liberal cult. He is another of those former liberal comedians and entertainers who has become right wing, like Russell Brand for example.

      His main audience is young men who are skewing Republican and MAGA these days, partly due to a backlash against feminism and women's success. He is a version of Greg Gutfeld. Who wouldn't disavow their previous political principles for that much money, right David?

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    15. Thanks for the background info, @1:29. You think money is why Rogan switched from liberal to conservative. OTOH maybe he switched because liberal today really is a cult.

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    16. @1:18 Greenwald and Peterson are exceptional. If they're right wing today, it's because liberals pushed them out and attacked them when they failed to perfectly follow the liberal narrative. Liberals did the same thing to Nellie Bowles. All three of them still espouse many liberal beliefs.

      BTW ostracizing and attacking an ally because s/he doesn't perfectly follow the preferred narrative is cult behavior. Even being gay didn't save Greenwald and Bowles. No wonder Rogan thinks liberalism is a cult.

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    17. That's fucking interesting, David.

      How's Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger doing these days.

      You weren't interested in the Jan 6 bipartisan committee hearing because.
      YOU DON'T GIVE A FUCK.

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    18. Liberals didn't push anyone into becoming conservative idiots. They did that all by themselves. Just like no one here pushed Somerby to support Trump in 2015. That was Somerby's idea.

      So far, I have not seen Somerby espousing any liberal beliefs any more. I think money had a lot to do with it.

      Calling liberals a cult doesn't mean liberals meet any of the criteria that define a cult. On the other hand, Q-Anon and MAGA do. That makes this another one of those projections of Republican behavior onto Democrats. Every accusation is a confession.

      Those of us who are liberals are the ones best equipped to tell you that there is NOT a liberal cult. And the idea that liberals must conform to talking points is ludicrous given the much wider diversity of opinion on the left compared to the right.

      Joe Rogan is a lot like Bill Maher, except more misogynist and racist. I picture him happily using the n-word among his friends to refer to black people, then discovering he was a bigot and switching to the right where such behavior is tolerated so he could still think of himself as a good person. But is it a liberal fiat that no one use the n-word or is it what non-racists do because it is wrong to treat other people badly on the basis of race?

      Rogan can call liberalism a cult (and so can you, David) but that doesn't make it true. It reveals more about the way you think about things, than about the reality of politics.

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    19. From Wikipedia:

      "A cult is a group which is typically led by a charismatic and self-appointed leader, who tightly controls its members, requiring unwavering devotion to a set of beliefs and practices which are considered deviant."

      Charismatic, self-appointed leader? Trump on the right, no one on the left. Biden is appointed and lots of lefties wish he weren't nominated this year.

      Tight control? The Republicans live in fear of being out of favor with Trump. Dissidents are primaried or kicked out of the Freedom Caucus, shunned and excluded for not following party line. Democrats don't do that to other Democrats, even Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema were tolerated despite their defections. Right wingers make death threats against those who don't follow their line. Democrats argue with those who disagree with them, sometimes in public, but don't harm them. Republicans use political violence and conspiracy theories for social control.

      Republican views are majorly deviant in the context of the past 50 years. Democratic views are mainstream except when compared to Republicans, who target minorities and want to return to a 50's traditional society that never existed, even in the past. Gay marriage is now mainstream but Republicans target gays for abuse, etc.

      I wouldn't call either Republicans or Democrats a cult, but if you try to apply the definition, it clearly fits the Republicans more than the Democrats. I do consider Q-Anon a cult.

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    20. The term cult has become part of abusive name-calling. This is a supposedly liberal blog run by someone who calls himself a liberal and says he supports Biden. That means that those in comments who are attacking commenters with liberal view are the intruders and they are the ones who are applying the word cult to the left, while supporting assholes like Joe Rogan, nutcases like Jordan Peterson, and jerks like Bill Maher.

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    21. Rogan, Tiabbi, Maher, Brand, Peterson, Greenwald, Pool, Rubin, Dore, ... etc were never "liberals"; they are right wing grifters that tried to fool liberals, and when that enterprise did not succeed, continued on in their natural state as right wingers supporting Republicans.

      If you got fooled, that's on you; however, it is more likely that you are operating in bad faith.

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    22. From a comment above: Rogan endorsed Trump in 2020, and DeSantis for 2024.

      Rogan is liberal like Somerby is liberal. In reality, neither are liberal.

      Right wingers, especially Republicans, have to resort to cons, like Trump waving to no one, because they have no ideology, no coherent politics; they are obsessed with dominance, it is just abuse/trauma-borne emotional discomfort all the way down.

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  9. Polls show a clear negative impact for Trump as the result of the conviction.

    Indeed, what the polls show has now been backed by a real world effect, with Trump's candidate losing badly in the NJ primary on Tuesday.

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  10. So Bob is in full hypocrite mode today, bird dogging the poles. As for his big problems with politics infesting the Courts, it sure as hell looks like Hunter Biden is being railroaded with little commentary from the "liberal media." Maybe tomorrow Bob will notice that these are charges anyone else would have been able to plead out on years ago. Or maybe not.

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  11. Just in case you can’t see what’s coming, Ryan Cooper is here to help you:

    https://prospect.org/health/2024-06-06-republican-party-coming-for-birth-control/

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    1. If the Dems had a better, more believable positive message, they wouldn’t have to resort to nonsense like this.

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    2. I am disgusted by the fundamental Dem message of providing equal opportunity for all, so much so, I am going to punish them by taking away their birth control.

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    3. The vote speaks for itself and it wasn't the Dems attacking contraception, it was the Republican senators.

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    4. I prefer to be servile to an authoritarian and therefore agree with the Republicans that we should not protect birth control.

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    5. It is not birth control that would be protected by the Democratic legislation. It is men and women and their right and ability to control the planning of their families according to their needs and resources.

      In the Great Depression, farmers committed suicide after killing their wives and children because they had lost the ability to feed their families and couldn't bear to watch them starve to death. This was before the governmental safety net of relief, during a time when charity was exhausted and needs could not be met. When women can control the size and timing of their families, a whole nation becomes more prosperous -- as was found by Nobel Prize winning economist Amartya Sen.

      The Republicans are trying to shoot themselves in the foot at the command of Christian Nationalists but will also result in sabotaging the economy and hurting larges numbers of men and women with their threats to family planning. This may be a political stunt, but it will be seen as destructive by both sexes outside the religious extremist groups dominating the Republican party these days.

      It is as if the Republicans learned nothing from the repeal of abortion rights that swung women voters and the majority to Biden in 2020. Do they not even want to win? Maybe this is how Republicans are planning to deal with the problem of Trump destroying their party. Sabotage his election chances with proposals guaranteed to drive away voters.

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    6. Kevin weighs in:

      https://jabberwocking.com/theres-no-good-reason-not-to-protect-contraception/

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    7. Once on it, can you also protect plastic shopping bags, please?

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    8. Because you want the planet to become uninhabitable as soon as possible?

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    9. Plastic shopping bags could be used as birth control, in a pinch.

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    10. Plastic shopping bags make the planet uninhabitable? What about the condoms, then? And are we talking about the same planet: Earth? Or the Reptiloids' planet?

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  12. Take the Dowd sister thing with a salt shaker full of salt.

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  13. Hunter Biden has a well-sized penis, a hot wife, and impressive artistic ability.

    These traits of Hunter make Republicans feel ashamed of themselves, and, lacking coping skills, are lashing out and are attempting to punish Hunter for causing them emotional discomfort.

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  14. Long time Daily Howler readers will remember Bob Somerby pointing out that Maureen Dowd has claimed her entire family is crazy. I am not sure how representative her sister is of the voting public at large…

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  15. We do not know who writes TDH's headlines: "AFTERMATHS: So far, the polls haven't changed a whole lot!", they may be a good and decent person; however, today's headline is false and a blatant attempt to gaslight Dems.

    No Dem has fallen for it, though, so in the end, it makes Bob seem sad and pathetic.

    Not sure that is what he is going for, and if not, he may want to change up his strategy, because it is failing badly as it currently stands.

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  16. Judging by the number of Soros' trained monkeys in today's comment section, Bob is right on the money about the polls not having changed a whole lot.

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    1. A new NY Times poll today has Biden increasing by 2 percent.

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    2. If Biden gets re-elected, maybe then all those prophecies from the gloomy Republicans will come true, about America collapsing.

      Anything is possible.

      Although the trend suggests otherwise.

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    3. It wasn't a new poll, they re-contacted people (not all) from the previous poll. And Trump is still ahead.

      And Biden's increased by 1%, not 2. From 48-45 to 47-46. Not a whole lot, like Bob said.

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    4. Yes that is a new poll. The people contacted are the same as earlier, but these are their new opinions after the trial verdict. And Biden has increased by 2% because Biden won one point and Trump lost one, decreasing the margin between them (from 3 to 1 point). The race is within the margin of error, which means that Trump is NOT ahead. The race is still tied.

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    5. Whatever you say, Mr. Soros.

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    6. More anti-semitism. Now tell me how the globalists control everything and Biden is a pedo.

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    7. Yes Sir, Mr. Soros. If you say so.

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    8. Soros = Jew = globalist conspiracy to rule the world

      Why does Somerby allow this kind of bigotry here?

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    9. If you say so, Mr. Soros.

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    10. To his credit, Somerby has never attributed anything to Soros. Why would a troll come here and make anti-semitic remarks like this? Does he feel comfortable among you right wing trolls? Does he think this shit is welcome?

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    11. My conversations with Mr Soros are usually about my work as a troll. We seldom discuss religion. I would work just as hard if he were a Gentile.

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    12. I don't think Mr. Soros is a religious man. He always tells me that God is a figment of my imagination. That's when he stops talking about rapist snowflakes counting black people's votes.

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    13. Anonymouse 3:14pm, anonymices accuse Bob of being an agent for a foreign government. You accuse your political contrarians of being terrible people, but no one knows the mistreatment you’ve experienced.

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    14. Anonymouse. 2:52pm, the left spent years vilifying the Koch brothers. Was that antisemitism?

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    15. No, it was (and is) astute perception.

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    16. I don’t know if the Koch brothers are Jewish, I know they’re evil.

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    17. Anonymices, and as far as I know, you’re correct. Your dislike of them has nothing to do with their religion or ethnicity.

      That holds true of Soros critics too.

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    18. I don’t think the Kochs are Jewish. And it doesn’t matter either way.

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    19. 3:53,
      Are you the poster that gets upset when you're reminded that Right-wing snowflakes threw a childish temper tantrum at the United States Capitol, just because black people's votes were counted in the 2020 Presidential election?
      Asking for a friend.

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  17. Polls show that Bob is wrong.

    Cope.

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    1. Pffff, easy for you to say, with that Soros money, makes it a lot easier to cope.

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    2. More money, more problems.

      America thrives by suckers believing that nonsense.

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  18. "On this important historical day, we start with a brief review of a short-term political aftermath. "

    On this important historical day (anniversary of D-Day) why would Somerby not start by remembering the sacrifice of our troops at Normandy, which marked the beginning of the end for Hitler's Nazi regime?

    Biden went to Europe to join the commemoration of this important historical event. Trump made a vague statement in support of troops he has previously maligned, but otherwise gives no appearance of caring what day it is:

    "“Today, we honor the immortal heroes who landed at Normandy 80 years ago. The men of D-Day will live forever in history as among the bravest, noblest, and greatest Americans ever to walk the earth. They shed their blood, and thousands gave their lives, in defense of American Freedom. They are in our hearts today and for all time,” Trump posted on Truth Social."

    Trump will appear at a Town Hall in AZ later today, where he is expected to spend a few hours whining about his troubles. Just as Somerby doing here today. And what Somerby and Trump have in common is that they are both draft dodgers with no respect for the military.

    Trump says the D-Day soldiers gave their lives in defense of American Freedom, but they were not defending America. They were defending Freedom in Europe, against fascists and Nazis. Hitler never attacked the USA. He tried to take over Europe so that slave labor in surrounding nations could support German prosperity and be cleansed of poisonous elements, such as Jews, Roma, gay people and mental/physical defectives in hospitals. Just like Trump plans to do when he regains office and mobilizes mass deportations of immigrants and others who he scapegoats. On D-Day, American soldiers fought a war against the kind of evil that Trump today represents as a true threat against American Freedom. Will we be brave enough to fight that threat ourselves by urging our friends, neighbors and acquaintances to go to the polls to defeat Trump in November? I hope we can honor the sacrifice of our soldiers on D-day by preserving our nation as a free country, not just by mouthing vague platitudes without thinking about what they mean, as Trump has done today.

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  19. I have a Spanish surname but I was born in the US, have an American birth certificate and passport. I am as much a citizen as anyone else born here. I do not look forward to Trump's threats to round up and deport immigrants.

    What does it mean to me and Americans like me? It means we may be stopped on the street and have to show our papers. If we forget them or are in an inconvenient situation (at the beach, in a sauna, visiting a neighbor briefly without planning what to carry with us), we may be required to visit an office to show our documentation later.

    In the late 1970s, I was awakened in the middle of the night by an INS agent who claimed to be looking for someone else, but who demanded to see our proof of citizenship. INS agents used to hang around the Hallmark store watching for people who browsed the Spanish language cards, hoping to nab illegals but harrassing citizens in the process.

    What if an immigration agent doesn't accept my birth certificate or driver's license? Will I be put in a camp and have to hire an attorney to get out? Will my family be upset and will I lose my job due to the absence while being inconvenienced?

    At heart, isn't this just another way to designate some people as second-class citizens -- people who are suspect by virtue of heritage or because we are bilingual? Trump perhaps has no idea how many such people there are in the American Southwest -- fully legal, born here generations ago, but retaining language and traditions as is our right to do. All to attract the votes of a frightened bigoted minority to his campaign.

    And this all strikes me as one step closer to a police state, in which the government intrudes upon citizens in private moments and for no good reason other than suspicion.

    I will be doing everything I can to stop Trump from becoming president again. I hope those reading here will do the same. I would protect you if it were your rights being threatened. Please protect my community from Trump's ill-conceived plans to harrass us as we try to live our normal lives. And no, we are not illegal but citizens like yourselves.

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    1. ChatGPT doesn't sound like a Spanish surname to me.

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    2. More name calling. What do you think an accent sounds like in someone born here, well-educated and fully assimilated but with the name Martinez or Gonzalez, brown hair and dark skin?

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    3. Would it sound more like a Spanish surname if it were ChatGPTx?

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