CONSENSUS: What if the guardians walk off their posts?

FRIDAY, JUNE 14, 2024

What if they never existed? As we watched Sunday's Washington Journal, a type of consensus took form.

Amazing! Callers from our own Blue America agreed with callers from the Red America of our neighbors and friends! They agreed on this proposition about November's election:

Our nation's survival is at stake—but only if The Other Guy wins!

If President Biden wins re-election, we'll be losing our republic. If Candidate Trump returns to the White House, our democracy will cease to exist.

We aren't saying that any particular claim is wrong. We're simply noting the unhelpful consensus which now prevails across the fruited plain.

 "Both [sides] read the same Bible and pray to the same God..."

That's what President Lincoln said in his second inaugural address. Six weeks later, he was murdered by a nutcase from one of those sides.

Both sides "pray to the same God, and each invokes his aid against the other?" In a nation which is less religious and more diverse, it's a bit like that today.

If you're watching American "cable news," each side now has its favorite "convicted felon."

(A word of warning: In the political sense, the more dangerous trial of Hunter Biden is the one which is scheduled to start in September. You hear that said on the Fox News Channel, perhaps not on MSNBC.)

Each side has its favorite convicted felon. Also:

As of this morning, their side has President Biden wandering off at the G-7 conference, with Giorgia Miloni rushing to shepherd him back to the fold. Our side has Candidate Trump calling Milwaukee a [BLEEP]hole city and talking about those sharks.

(We're told that the Milwaukee remark may finish him off. Our tribe's thought leaders have been making such predictions ever since Trump made that early remark about the POW status of the late John McCain.)

Plus, we have the surreptitiously taped, carefully curated remarks by Alito. Not just by Justice Alito; but also by his wife. 

(Carefully curated, then helpfully paraphrased. This is the level to which our own failing tribe has now stooped. More on this topic next week.)

On Washington Journal, another type of consensus quickly emerged. Neither side had the slightest idea what the other side could be thinking! 

The first two callers said this:

MODERATOR (6/9/24): So what do you think? Is 2024 the most important election in our history, or in our lifetimes? 

Jim in Washington State, Democrat. What do you think?

JIM FROM WASHINGTON STATE: It definitely is. Why do so many Republicans support a convicted rapist, a convicted fraud, a convicted felon with no shame? I mean, what's wrong with the Republican Party? And that's terrible. Yeah. What—yeah.

MODERATOR: Danny is in Louisville, Kentucky, Republican.  Danny, is this the most important election in history?

DANNY FROM KENTUCKY: Yes. I tell you, I don't know how anybody can't see this has got to be the most important, because if things keep going the way they're going, we ain't gonna have a republic.

You know, just like the other guy said, you know, he's wondering what's wrong with the Republicans. I'm wondering what's wrong with Democrats.

It was "just like the other guy said!" We'd call it a type of consensus! 

(Similar statements of incomprehension punctuated the hour.)

Out of the growing consensus, one dissenter emerged. He didn't want to discuss which candidate is a pedophile, as opposed to which of the candidates can't satisfy his many wives.

The fourth caller was in California, where it was just after 4 a.m. It's as we showed you yesterday. Weirdly, the caller said this:

MODERATOR: This is Gregory, Sherman Oaks, California, Democrat.  Gregory, good morning to you.

GREGORY IN CALIFORNIA: And good morning to you. And this is the most important election, at least in six elections. 

I've heard a bunch of Republicans talk about how we're going to lose our republic, or our Second Amendment rights, or jobs or some other stuff. 

What we're going to lose is our planet. If we don't get behind doing something serious about climate destruction and global heating, all the other issues are going to be dying out, on a planet that is dying out.

It's up to us, in this generation—and this part of this generation now running the show, has the choice whether or not we're going to save the planet from the worst possible effects of climate change and climate destruction and whether we're going to save it by finally cutting back on such things as  fossil fuels subsidies and turning that money to energy efficiency, green energy, climate mitigation and resilience and other environmental and climate remediation. 

We are the generation that gets to save the planet. I would say that one other election really was, like this one, the most important election, and that was the election of the millennial year 2000.

We could have started the third millennium with a president who was going to at least put a foundation on saving the planet by attacking climate change. Of course, that was Al Gore—Albert Gore Jr., the vice president. And instead, we wasted the first decade of this new century and new millennium on a president who gave us climate betrayal, two stupid wars and a financial meltdown, among many other failures.

MODERATOR: That's Gregory in Sherman Oaks, California.  Thank you.

This caller authored a bit of a throwback discussion. He talked about a serious topic, and he recalled an earlier time.

What would a President Gore have done with respect to climate? No one will ever find out.

(In our estimation, his presidency would have been an ongoing nightmare. He would have spent the next four years dealing with claims that he had said that he invented the Internet, and with poisonous claims about the way he hired a woman to teach him how to be a man.)

No one will ever find out. That said, we were struck by this caller's reference to that earlier "most important" campaign. Our reason would go like this:

The caller made no reference to way that earlier "most important election" was covered in the mainstream press. That said, the disintegration of our national discourse was already well underway at that point--not that the thought leaders of Blue America are ever going to say that.

(We refer to Blue America's academics as well as to our journalists.)

In fact, the disintegration of the discourse was driven by the mainstream press corps during that fateful campaign. In the main, it was driven by the MSM—not by the RNC!

(It was an extension of the mainstream press corps' peculiar war against Bill Clinton--a war which began with the New York Times' bungled Whitewater reporting. That initial story was told by Gene Lyons in Fools for Scandal—How the Media Invented Whitewater. The book was published by Harper's magazine and was quickly disappeared.)

Back to Campaign 2000. They had their fun with Al Gore's clothes. They kept inventing crazy statements they would pretend he had made.

Working from within their lack of a sexual politics, they kept insulting Gore as a girly-man—as "today's man/woman." (We're quoting Chris Matthews, who was very influential within the mainstream press at the time.)

On the Sunday before the nation voted, Maureen Dowd published her seventh column focused on Gore's bald spot. She pictured him singing "I Feel Pretty" he stood before a mirror.

This is the way these stars behaved as "our democracy's" most sacred day approached during that fateful year.

In a single report, there is no way to capture the way these idiots behaved in the twenty months leading up to that fateful election. Simply put, the children were angry at President Clinton, who had just escaped removal from office in his impeachment trial 

The vice president hadn't denounced the president to a degree which met their guild's approval. And so they fell to work, for the next twenty months, transferring their enmity over to him.

Everyone knows that this is what happened, but no careerist is ever going to tell you! When we heard that California caller focus on the climate, we thought of one of the craziest manifestations of this twenty-month mainstream press corps war:

We thought of the front-page report in the New York Times in which Michiko Kakutani took a trip to the funny farm as she summarized Candidate Gore's widely praised 1992 book, Earth in the Balance.

The Crazy leaped from the clown car and ran wild that particular day. Of all the crazy moments in the mainstream press corps' "war against Gore," that report by Kakutani—Maureen Dowd's friend—was arguably the weirdest of them all.

Eight years later, Gore would receive the Nobel Peace Prize for his work on climate. (The honor was so great that it even caused the gruesome Frank Rich to reverse his ceaseless trashing of Gore and of Gore's devious motives.)

In 2007, Gore was awarded the Nobel Prize. In November of 1999, the New York Times, on its front page, was way off in the crazy zone in its treatment of the original book.

None of the careerists our tribe is told to trust—none of "our favorite reporters and friends"—are ever going to tell you what happened in that earlier "most important" campaign. 

Our journalists aren't going to tell you. Neither will our tribe's vaunted academics.

(Nor will they tell you the fuller story. The war to which we refer was later extended through the 2016 campaign, helping send Donald J. Trump to the White House. All in all, Maureen Dowd plainly seemed to favor Candidate Trump in that important campaign.)

The Wallaces, the Maddows and the O'Donnells will never tell you such things. That said, we thought of Kakutani's bizarre report as Gregory from Sherman Oaks recalled the possibilities which were lost in the course of that earlier campaign.

Today, stars like Wallace lead you to think that you can trust her "favorites." Her favorites are pictured as our guardians, to steal a term from "a very old book."

Today, Wallace's favorites are Blue America's guardians—or so we're urged to believe. 

That said, who will guard us against the guardians? The question has lingered for thousands of years. We thought of that ancient question as watched Washington Journal this Sunday morning.

In fairness to Plato, successful societies really do need their guardians! We direct you to two scenes from the Best Picture winner, The Godfather:

In one scene, Sonny is killed at a Jersey toll booth when the collectors have all agreed to walk off their posts. 

In another scene, Michael has to scramble to save his father's life in a hospital where he lies unconscious. Once again, the guardians—in this case, the police officer assigned to protect this unconscious patient—have been paid to abandon their posts.

Why did that narrative structure appear two times in that award-winning film? We can't tell you that.

But the people we're told to trust today were never capable players. Beyond that, they were never acting as guardians in the first place.

Today, their general cluelessness remains—and a smiling figure tells you, each day, that these people should be regarded as our tribe's "favorite reporters and friends."

What if our guardians walk off their posts? That is a very good question.

Then too, what if they never existed at all? That's more like the situation we modern Americans face.

The caller from sunny California was pretty much off in the clouds. He was discussing a serious topic in some detail—and our modern journalistic "imitation of life" doesn't function like that. 

(Nor is it clear that our journalists could perform some such task, even if they decided to try.)

We humans are good at building tall buildings. As the later Wittgenstein incoherently noted, we're skilled at little else. 

The people our tribe is told to trust worked to send Candidate Bush (and then Candidate Trump) to the White House. Gregory from Sherman Oaks didn't mention that aspect of that earlier campaign. 

That said, Pepperidge Farm remembers what actually happened.

What if the guardians walk off their posts? Fellow blue tribe citizens, please!

What if the guardians "walk off their posts?" Why can't we turn to the serious question:

 What if they never existed?


82 comments:

  1. Agree with Bob that the media should have been calling out the GOP's fascistic stances for at least the last 40 years.

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  2. David Boaz has died.

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    1. Boaz was gay.

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    2. Boaz was a libertarian.

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    3. Boaz is still alive, this guy posting this crap is a real pos.

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    4. 12:26 is a bot. David Boaz is, sadly, dead.

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    5. Nearly 200k people died yesterday, we can not reasonably be sad about all them.

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    6. Dave's not here, man.

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    7. Anonymouse 12:46pm, that may be the next progressive program. Equity in dying and death notices.

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    8. To bad Cecilia never learned to treat other people the way you want to be treated in kindergarten.

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    9. I never went to kindergarten.

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    10. Anonymouse 2:06pm, you’re awfully sensitive for someone who’s here to call Bob and his admirers names.

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    11. Anonymouse 2:39pm, the only thing you missed was cookies and juice.

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    12. My mom gave me cookies and juice. She and my dad taught me to read before I started first grade. I played in our back yard. It was one of the happiest years of my life.

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    13. Anonymouse 3:16pm, oh, I feel you! My older brother learned to read as a toddler via the labels on canned goods. He then taught me and my younger brother when we were old enough to semi-cooperate. We were never the brainiacs that he is, but we did sing a lot of show tunes together. Much to the dismay of spouses, we still break into song when we visit each other.

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    14. 10:03 - Good to know David Boaz was happy.

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    15. Your big bro is a brainiac? What kind of career did he pursue?

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    16. Cecelia’s brain died.

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  3. Bob is confused about the hospital scene in The Godfather. There weren’t any policemen guarding Vito. His own hired thugs were guarding him. Policemen under the command of a captain paid by a rival gangster dispersed Vito’s guards.

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    1. He doesn’t understand the tool booth scene, either. The toll collector wasn’t there to protect anyone, and he didn’t agree to leave his post. The hitmen forced him to get down on the floor while they shot Sonny.

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    2. Bob is no longer cognitive.

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    3. Captain McCloskey literally says in the movie that he made his policemen disperse the men who were guarding the Don because they were "interfering with hospital service". Nobody paid anybody to abandon their posts. And Don Corleone was not unconscious.

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    4. It wasn’t a tool booth, it was a toll booth. 10:41 is no more cognitive than Bob.

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    5. Bob misuses Lincoln's quote, Lincoln was talking about fate and God's providence, that God took the side of the Union, and punished the slavers. The root of Lincoln's 2nd inaugural speech has more to do with Lincoln coming to terms with his evolving views on labor, nothing to do with the "can't we all get along" nonsense that Bob tries to misappropriate Lincoln for.

      Bob likes to rely on storytelling to inform his views because science and reality are just too harsh for Bob's sensitivities.

      This makes Bob a poor thinker, and a poor blogger on media and discourse.

      Bob could get off his ass and learn, but he is too bitter; it is more emotionally comforting to stay ignorant and try to spread ignorance in the hopes that it harms those he feels bitter towards: what he calls the "blue tribe".

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  4. Biden will withdraw and his replacement will be elected President.

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    1. Let’s stand and cheer for the next President of the United States, David in Cal.

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    2. Replacing Biden with someone with a working brain seems like a good plan. But why are you so sure the substitute is going to win? I'm assuming you're predicting a legitimate win, to the extent it's still possible, after all the lawfare, etc.

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    3. Both campaigns are mostly negative. Voters will vote against Trump and vote for an unknown opponent whose negatives are not as well known and established

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    4. Are you ready for President AOC?

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    5. I don't see both campaigns are mostly negative (even if Bob thinks so). For example, I saw somewhere today that Trump is suggesting to abandon income tax, replacing it with tariffs on imports. Regardless of what you think of the merits of this idea, it's definitely a major campaign initiative, and it's definitely not negative.

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    6. The main thrust of Trump's campaign is to coddle the wealthy, corporations, and Christian Fascists to some minor extent, and to otherwise do things that Trump personally can benefit from, and if the republic and democracy take hits, so be it, that is of no concern to Trump.

      Biden will be the nominee and will likely be re-elected, and Biden will likely progress our country in a positive way.

      Some will seethe with anger at this circumstance, but those folks will just have to learn how to cope.

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    7. It is not an initiative, it is more of trump's bullshit. Just like his great plan to repeal and replace Obamacare with something something something ...

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    8. Trump: I will announce a beautiful new plan in two weeks

      Two weeks: Stop weaponizing me, in two weeks all that's going to happen is you'll have more poop build up in your gut

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    9. DiC: Did you hear that from the Great Criswell?

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    10. DiC: And, by the way, if YOU had to choose between staying about a sinking electric boat with a giant battery or jumping out into shark-infested water, which would you choose?

      One of our leading candidates says it's an important question.

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    11. You can't fix the stupid in David from Cal.

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    12. Aboard, not about. Sigh.

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    13. "For example, I saw somewhere today that Trump is suggesting to abandon income tax, replacing it with tariffs on imports."

      And where did he offer this proposal? In an ad? In a public speech? In an interview with the press?

      It was none of those. It was in a closed-door meeting with a handful of CEOs.

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    14. So what. The point is, most of his campaign is not about demonizing his opponent. And most people will vote for him, not against his opponent.

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    15. QiB - Kim Criswell?

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    16. QiB - Kim Criswell?

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    17. No, this guy:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Amazing_Criswell

      Many years ago he had a syndicated newspaper column in which he would predict all kinds of fantastic calamities including the ground under Denver, Colorado turning to jelly and the population being trapped in the goo.

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    18. "most of his campaign is not about demonizing his opponent."

      Oh? You should hear what he says at his public rallies.

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    19. Normally, I don't listen to speeches. But I read Bob's blog. I read here about the "bloodbath" speech. It was about the the automotive industry. The same theme there: protectionism. There is also the "scary" theme of deporting 11 million persons illegally residing in the US.

      These are all policy matters. Most people voting for Trump would vote for Trump's policy proposals, not for "save our democracy" demagoguery.

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    20. 4:29 you are ignorant of the circumstances, and you essentially confess to this.

      Trump’s campaign does little more than demonize his opponents. Trump hasn’t a clue about policies, and as president, his achievement did not extend beyond cutting taxes for the top 1% and corporations making record profits, cutting regulations that increased pollution and poor working conditions for labor, and engaging in ridiculous trade wars that resulted in losing 35k manufacturing jobs (Biden has brought back 170k+ manufacturing jobs).

      Trump just met with a group of CEOs and they came out of the meeting shell shocked at how incoherent Trump is.

      Trump lost the popular vote in 2016 by 3 million and in 2020 by over 7 million, these are record losses.

      Issue surveys show that a majority of Americans support progressive policies, but people like Trump demonize progressives so effectively through manipulation, that a significant amount of Americans fall for his con. You seem to be one of those folks.

      Learn to cope.

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  5. Somerby summarizes the consensus he thought he saw as this:

    Our nation's survival is at stake—but only if The Other Guy wins!

    But I didn't get that sense from any of the callers. And I strongly disagree. Our nation's survival is at stake no matter who wins.

    If Trump wins, a whole list of bad things will happen, depending on his actions as president. But what is worse are the things that will not happen because Biden did not win.

    If Biden wins, we can reasonably expect him to continue with policies he has already put in place, including measures to promote alternative energy and address global warming. These are things Trump would almost certainly stop, at our peril. Further, Trump can be expected NOT to send aid to blue states again in the face of natural disasters, which are highly likely due to global warming.

    It isn't just whether there will be a blue or a red president, but specifically will it be Biden, because Biden not only prevented Trump from winning but he competently addressed covid, created a soft landing economically, created jobs and lowered unemployment, rebuilt infrastructure, rolled back pernicious Trump measures, protected public lands and species, forgave some student loans, reduced the cost of prescription drugs, instituted consumer protections (such as junk fees), supported our allies in foreign wars, and many other things that are below people's radar but which happened. Arguably, a different Democrat might have achieved far less (even while preventing Trump's craziness).

    So, it is not just important that Trump be defeated but also that Biden, specifically, be reelected. I voted against Trump by selecting Biden in 2020. This time I am enthusiastically voting FOR Biden, because I admire and approve of what he has done during his term and do not believe any of his rivals for the nomination would have done as well.

    So, Somerby's simplistic reduction of the stupid consensus he pretends he heard, does not describe the way many of us Democrats actually feel about the importance of electing Biden instead of Trump.

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    1. Don't forget Trump will gift Ukraine to his buddy Vlad.

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    2. On the contrary @2:09. Putin will bend to Trump’s threats and agree to a settlement that’s favorable to Ukraine.

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    3. On the contrary 11:22, Trump would do as he did in his reign from 2017-2021, bend the knee to Putin and act as his puppet.

      Who are trying to fool with your nonsense?

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    4. 11:22,
      Good luck to Trump threatening the guy who is blackmailing him.

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    5. DIC: your candidate labeled Putin’s invasion of Ukraine “brilliant”; his exact word. Trump has a history of threatening Ukraine. You are either an idiot or doing a great job pretending to be one.

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  6. Oddly, Al Gore deemphasized talk about the threat to our planet during his 2000 campaign. Why? I wouldn't have downplayed my signature issue if I were running. Why did he?

    It exemplified his cautious approach to his campaign. He refused to run on Bill Clinton's manifest accomplishments either, distancing himself from that successful administration, which he was an important part of. That left a vacuum in which it was hard to define what Gore was about. His sanctimonious attitude toward the attack on Clinton using Lewinsky and his wife's attack on song lyrics both painted him as stiff-necked, uber-religious, and narrowly focused, which made him less appealing to the left (which tends to be more tolerant) and the right, who preferred the jocular Bush, despite his draft-dodging and his possible DUI.

    Gore might have been elected, but he perhaps chose the wrong advisors or didn't listen to the ones who told him what he needed to do -- perhaps those better advisors were affiliated with Clinton's campaign, which he ran away from. You'd have to be an insider to know, but the result was that he threw away the presidency and there were bad consequences for all of us, beginning with the way Bush failed to react to warnings about 9/11.

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    1. Agree, Gore ran a milquetoast campaign and was derelict in his duty to push back on the Bush campaign/Supreme Court in the aftermath of the 2000 voting. That was a signal to the right to plow full steam ahead.

      Somerby thinks we should coddle the right, but this is because Somerby has a fundamental misunderstanding of right wingers, and of human nature. When the right senses compromise or some acquiescing, they view that as a weakness and a sign to attack even more voraciously; give a right winger an inch, and they will take a mile every time.

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    2. 12:42 - "give a right winger an inch, and they will take a mile every time"

      Every single one of them, every single time. Right? And this doesn't seem like prejudicial stereotyping to you?

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    3. Anonymouse 11:03am: “Gore might have been elected, but he perhaps chose the wrong advisors or didn't listen to the ones who told him what he needed to do -- perhaps those better advisors were affiliated with Clinton's campaign, which he ran away from. You'd have to be an insider to know, but the result was that he threw away the presidency and there were bad consequences for all of us,”

      The fact that this spiel is targeted at Bob and would be a different scenario if you were summing things up to me or to David is what makes anonymices so special.

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    4. And you know this how? You don't even know who is speaking.

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    5. Anonymouse 6:57pm, you may be a newbie here, but I’m not.

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    6. There is nothing special about anyone dunking on Cecelia and David. Any 7th grader could do it.

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    1. Check the next episode for a surprise ending.

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    2. According to the Book of Mormon, Jesus next appeared in the Western Hemisphere.

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  8. Quaker in a BasementJune 14, 2024 at 1:33 PM

    I'll tell you what else is remembered in some quarters: Our Host long ago documented the claims one party made about its plans for Medicare. "We're not cutting Medicare, we're protecting it!" they claimed.

    It was a bald lie and Our Host said so.

    Today? Not so much. One party pumps out "video evidence" of the president's doddering old man behavior and time after time it is shown to be bogus. One brave outlet, the Washington Post, recently posted a front-page analysis.

    Does Our Host even notice? We can't say. What we can say is that he periodically wonders why "Blue America" ignores the obvious evidence of candidate Biden's deterioration.

    Sure, I remember when TDH unflinchingly noted when anyone on a national platform "lied right in the faces" of the American public. That was a while ago. These days, it's more important to find "consensus."

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  9. "These days, it's more important to find 'consensus.'"

    Q - I don't think that quite nails it. I think Somerby is suggesting that we are differentiating into two tribes, and that there's an mutual aversion to any contact between the other tribe. So there's not even any forum for discussion. And without that, you can forget any possibility of "consensus."

    For example, I'll bet the only red tribe members you ever interact with are DiC and CC. And most of their contact with the rest of us is for us to yell back and forth and call each other names.

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    1. I understand that Our Host is being ironical when he declares he has found "consensus." He concedes only that everyone agrees the other side sucks.

      And you'd lose your bet.

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    2. We have plenty of old and made new friends who are Republican since Trump came on the scene. We have dropped friends we have been hanging with since college, and avoided new ones. The ones we stay away from mock us for getting vaccinated, scream at us to do the right thing, who threaten us for our beliefs. Who don't allow us to get a word in, and if we do they scream "NO POLITICS". Otherwise known as the cult. You know who you are.

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    3. I play bridge regularly with a Republican and there are many Republicans in the club where I play. We all remain friendly by avoiding discussion of politics. But your idea, Pied Piper, that most people know no members of the other tribe is wrong. Most extended families have both Republicans and Democrats, sometimes a generational divide or a regional one. We all come together at holidays and weddings and must be nice to each other. My regular tournament partner moved to TX to join a militia and his wife belongs to Q-Anon. He wasn't allowed to attend tournaments without a mask, so we have played online since covid. But we can and do talk politics occasionally without animosity. I would imagine most people interact across political lines at church, for recreation or clubs, at work, etc. There are also obnoxious people in the world, but that isn't because of politics.

      I would never date or marry someone whose political beliefs were very different than mine. A life needs to be founded on shared values. Tolerance is for people in less intimate relationships. How would you raise the children is a reasonable question.

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    4. If Cecelia were eligible, I would be proud to date her.

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    5. She'll make you pick up the check. Only feminists want to pay their own share.

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    6. Cecelia is a man.

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    7. No forum? Stupid much?

      Congress recently put up a bipartisan bill to address border issues, Trump killed the bill so it wouldn’t negatively affect his campaign.

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    8. Sure, we all know Republicans, and we’ll play bridge and golf and share Thanksgiving dinner with Republicans, but if you’re like me you’ll never talk to Republicans about anything but sports and the weather.

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  10. ""Both [sides] read the same Bible and pray to the same God..."

    That's what President Lincoln said in his second inaugural address. Six weeks later, he was murdered by a nutcase from one of those sides."

    Actually, Lincoln was not killed by a nutcase by was killed as part of a political conspiracy using violence to achieve political goals. This was not an individual crime and it was not perpetrated by a lone gunman, of the type that the right wing likes to blame in order to deflect attention from their systemic use of political violence and threats to attain their own goals.

    "Near the end of the American Civil War, Lincoln's assassination was part of a larger political conspiracy intended by Booth to revive the Confederate cause by eliminating the three most important officials of the federal government." Wikipedia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Abraham_Lincoln#:~:text=Near%20the%20end%20of%20the,officials%20of%20the%20federal%20government.

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    1. This plot failed, despite killing Lincoln. That doesn't mean it wasn't a plot.

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    2. I say John Wilkes Booth was a nutcase.

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    3. Somerby's point today is that each side considers the other to be nutcases. Booth was on the other side of the civil war. He was attempting to revive the Confederacy. That makes him politically motivated no matter how nutty you consider his side to be. True nuts are mentally ill and do not have coherent motives, such as reviving the Confederacy. Failing to achieve one's goals does not make someone a nutcase.

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    4. John Wilkes Booth had a very stylish suitcase.

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    5. Being motivated and being nuts are not mutually exclusive.

      Booth was a nut; also it’s pretty nutty to enslave people.

      Lincoln was making the point that God chose the Union over the slavers; Lincoln was not saying “there’s good people on both sides”. To the extent that Somerby’s point is even decipherable or coherent, it’s misguided and irrelevant.

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  11. @Anon 7:13
    He was an actor. How could he not be a nutcase?

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  14. Cecelia is a Homo sapiens.

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  15. That’s Mrs. Homo sapiens to you.

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