BROKEN: The Atlantic discusses the new Naep scores!

MONDAY, APRIL 16, 2018

As always, a gloomy assertion:
No sooner had the new Naep scores appeared than The Atlantic published a hard-hitting essay by Natalie Wexler.

Wikipedia describes Wexler as "an education journalist, novelist and historian." As has long required by Hard Pundit Law, she offered gloomy thoughts about the work of the public schools over the past twenty years.

Below, you see the start of Wexler's essay, gloomy headline included:
WEXLER (4/13/18): Why American Students Haven't Gotten Better at Reading in 20 Years

Every two years, education-policy wonks gear up for what has become a time-honored ritual: the release of the Nation’s Report Card. Officially known as the National Assessment of Educational Progress, or NAEP, the data reflect the results of reading and math tests administered to a sample of students across the country. Experts generally consider the tests rigorous and highly reliable—and the scores basically stagnant.

Math scores have been flat since 2009 and reading scores since 1998,
with just a third or so of students performing at a level the NAEP defines as “proficient.” Performance gaps between lower-income students and their more affluent peers, among other demographic discrepancies, have remained stubbornly wide.

Among the likely culprits for the stalled progress in math scores: a misalignment between what the NAEP tests and what state standards require teachers to cover at specific grade levels. But what’s the reason for the utter lack of progress in reading scores?
We'll assume that Wexler didn't write the headline. That said, the headline captures the essence of her piece, in which she offers her expert views as to why "reading scores have been flat since 1998."

Have reading scores on the Naep been flat since 1998? That sounded a bit unlikely to us, so we decided to check. For reasons any expert would understand, we reviewed Grade 8.

(On the so-called "Main Naep" test, students are tested across the nation in Grades 4, 8 and 12. Kids in grade 8 are older than kids in Grade 4. Comparisons are tricky at Grade 12 due to lower dropout rates. Everybody understands this latter point, even Arne Duncan.)

Have reading scores been flat since 1998? For starters—and this is just a start—here are the overall average scores for the years in question, plus the percentages of kids deemed to be "proficient" (or higher):
Average scores/percentages deemed proficient
Public schools, Grade 8 reading, Naep

2017: 265.33 (34.74%)
1998: 260.66 (29.68%)
The score gain could be higher. But that score gain—4.67 points—is roughly equal to half an academic year, according to the very rough rule of thumb normally applied to Naep scores.

(For all Naep data, start here.)

That isn't a giant overall score gain. On the other hand, it was achieved at a time when demographic changes brought new challenges to classrooms.

When the scores are "disaggregated," we see that all major demographic groups achieved a larger score gain than the overall average gain during that 19-year period. (How is that possible? File under "Simpson's Paradox.")

How much have different groups progressed? We wouldn't necessarily call these data "flat:"
Gain in average scores, 1998-2017
Public schools, Grade 8 reading, Naep

All students: 4.67 points
White students: 5.49 points
Black students: 6.34 points
Hispanic students: 13.17 points
Asian/Pacific Islander students: 20.00 points
Again, ten points on the Naep scale is routinely said to be the equivalent of one academic year. All those score gains could be larger, but do those data suggest an "utter lack of progress in reading scores?" Do Hispanic kids count?

We don't know why Wexler offered the gloomy claim about the "utter lack of progress in reading scores." We do know this:

For reasons we can't explain, almost everything you read about major issues, and often about major pols, seems to be written from script. Nowhere has this been more true than in the general area of public school test scores, whether from international or domestic testing programs.

In that general area, it has long been selective presentation, and apparent propaganda, pretty much all the way down.

Chomsky referred to this general phenomenon as a process of "manufactured consent." The public is led to accept the preferred outlook of elites through the process of selective and/or inaccurate presentation.

That was Chomsky's term. By way of contrast, we refer to this as "the latest from The Atlantic."

Earlier today, a friend suggested that we write a letter to the editor of The Atlantic. Incomparably, we responded like this:
Letters don't work. Neither do blog posts, comments in comment threads, op-ed columns in real newspapers, or acts of self-immolation.

Our public discourse runs on script. (Chomsky called the process "manufactured consent.") I don't know exactly how to explain this group dynamic, but nothing ever derails it, and all corrections get thrown away or ignored.

My take-away from the past twenty years: we aren't living on the planet the civics textbooks describe.

As a matter of anthropology, this is a fascinating discovery. In terms of citizenship, the implications are gloomy and rather clear.
Just to complete the record: Wexler was mainly interested in reading scores and reading instruction, but she characterized math scores too.

Just to complete the record, here are the score gains in math since 1996. During the 1990s, math and reading were tested in different years:
Gain in average scores, 1996-2017
Public schools, Grade 8 math, Naep

All students: 13.16 points
White students: 12.66 points
Black students: 20.32 points
Hispanic students: 19.31 points
Asian/Pacific Islander: 21.78 points (since 2000)
Scores have been flat in recent years, but this follows a period of very large gains. Around the world, it has seemed to be easier to create gains in math than in reading.

The public is essentially never told about public school score gains. We all know Chomsky is nuts, of course. But until Arne Duncan recently chirped, it seemed that presentation of data like these simply wasn't allowed.

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    1. Chomsky is a great man, but let's be fair. Edward Herman was the lead author of "Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media", because he did most of the work. And Anon 2:30PM is correct. Herman and Chomsky borrowed the idea, "the manufacture of consent", from "Public Opinion", with one little difference: Walter Lippmann was in favor of it!

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      In crediting Herman, Chomsky, not altogether graciously, distances himself from a theory which is imperfectly presented in Manufacturing Consent (1988) and which Chomsky claims to have objected to before the book went to press. Here's Chomsky in 1997 speaking on this point in response to the question posed to him at the 1:39:56 mark of this YouTube video LINK. [Hopefully, I have it cued up to start playing at the right place.]

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  2. Bob, dear. This is such a trivial subject (like most of what attracts your attention) that it hardly falls under the rubric of "manufacturing consent".

    1993 NAFTA 'debate' was "manufacturing consent". So was conditioning the population for a big war in 2003. But this one is just another bullshit liberal 'issue'.

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    2. Moy malen'kin pushistyy medved is distracted by Maksim Borodin's sudden death. Borodin was an investigative reporter in Russia.

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  3. While articles like these may encourage the public to believe that the public schools in general are doing a poor job, the opposite is true at the local level. Most parents (over 70%) are highly satisfied with the job being done by their local public school. This is partly because their daily experience contradicts that gloomier national narrative. They see their kids learning, they see the efforts of their kids' teachers and the administrators at their schools and they are happy with that progress.

    If this gloomy national narrative prevailed, there wouldn't be the broad support for the red state teacher strikes occurring over the past several weeks. But that support has helped teachers to achieve their goals and made those strikes successful. If the parents were unhappy, no teacher's strike would occur because the climate wouldn't support it.

    So, Bob, you are prematurely giving up. Your letter to the editor might not change editorial policy at The Atlantic, but it might give moral support to the teachers and parents working hard at local levels to achieve those gains you describe above.

    By the way, cognitive psychologists know why the reading scores are harder to change than the math scores, worldwide.

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  4. "Letters don't work. Neither do blog posts, comments in comment threads, op-ed columns in real newspapers, or acts of self-immolation."

    Somerby has free speech and can say whatever he wishes, but he sounds particularly callous when he includes "acts of self immolation" in this laundry list of mundane activities as if it were not a desperate and horrific action.

    No bitterness justifies reducing a man's death to the level of a letter to the editor.

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  5. Reading scores have increased since 1998, just the way Somerby says. He says the gains could have been higher...by how much? Is there some agreed-upon or desirable target gain?

    The black-white gap is almost unchanged in 20 years. That seems to be a continuing problem. Can it be fixed?

    Do the test questions change or do they remain identical over time? That could affect the validity of the results. Somerby has called the NAEP the "gold standard", but is that a valid assumption?

    Somerby talked about Duncan's report a week or two ago. Duncan cited test score gains to claim that "school reform" has worked. Somerby seemed to disapprove of the whole idea of school reform. But can he explain the increase in test scores? Are teachers teaching to the test perhaps? Can you really rule out the efficacy of any specific reform idea without a thorough, logical analysis?

    Aside from listing data showing increasing test scores, which Somerby has been doing for years, and which does arguably show positive results, what is the underlying point he is trying to make? That the media won't tell you about the gains? Fine, but that doesn't really address the schools themselves.

    Some schools have dire problems. Some solutions may be best left to local districts, others may suggest national efforts. The NAEP itself is a national test administered by the US Department of Education. Without it, would we even be able to measure anything about our schools, and would Somerby have any data to post endlessly?

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    1. Don't bother asking...it's futile. Besides, no one cares.

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  6. "Letters don't work. Neither do blog posts, comments in comment threads, op-ed columns in real newspapers, or acts of self-immolation."

    Therefore, I, Bob Somerby, choose to do one of those things which doesn't work, blogging.

    In Somerby's world, what does work? Those kids marching for gun reform? Just a sign of liberal failure. Heaven only knows what he would have said if MLK were organizing his marches today.

    "The Republicans have won. Time to throw in the towel, liberals. "

    Words apparently have no real value to Somerby. Moral persuasion can actually have an impact. Most people know that. But I suppose it explains Somerby's dispiriting vitriol. If words don't really work, then why not go all in on the mean-spirited bile?

    But Somerby would rather plant his butt down in Starbucks every day to write his snarky and apparently futile blog posts. Why bother?

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    1. Does the same go for you? Why bother commenting on his futile posts? He's not going to stop writing what he writes. Have your comments had any affect on what he is posted over these years? Is the time you spend remonstrating worth it? One wonders why you bother. Let me know why. Thanks,

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    2. Somerby is the one who claimed that blogging is useless. I did not make that claim, nor do I believe it. Somerby is the one undermining himself here. He used to do good work, years ago. Now, even he admits his efforts are useless. And in the process, he puts out a lot of hateful, inaccurate stuff. He could do so much more beneficial work than he does, if he actually believed in anything.

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    3. Thanks for responding. I know his tone really hurts you and offends you. It must really feel bad knowing that the work could be more beneficial. Especially in these trying, important times.

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    4. You seem to have been triggered by the critical comment to comment on the comment. Your beef seems to be with the commenter. Whereas the commenter is merely asking Somerby a rhetorical question that his own blog post raised. Why bother doing something that doesn't work?

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    5. I see. That makes sense. Thank you.

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  7. Somerby's use of the term "disaggregate" and his characterization of the gains in specific racial groups being higher than the overall gain as akin to a "paradox" is silly.

    If you understand anything about the term "average", and how it is calculated, it is not a mystery that specific race scores have gone up more than the overall average score.

    The overall average is simply the sum of all scores divided by the total number of test takers.

    The average for a given race is the sum of test scores for students of that race divided by the number of test takers of that race.

    The overall score is affected by the number of students having lower/higher scores.

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  9. "But until Arne Duncan recently chirped, it seemed that presentation of data like these simply wasn't allowed"

    From TDH in 2016:

    (http://dailyhowler.blogspot.com/2016/09/where-naep-scores-are-truly-spectacular.html?m=0)

    Refers to Richard Rothstein's 2011 article in Slate that says, among other things:
    "ROTHSTEIN (8/29/11): Central to the reformers' argument is the claim that radical change is essential because student achievement (especially for minority and disadvantaged children) has been flat or declining for decades. This is, however, false. The only consistent data on student achievement come from a federal sample, the National Assessment of Educational Progress. Though you would never know it from the state of public alarm about education, the numbers show that regular public school performance has skyrocketed in the last two decades to the point that, for example, black elementary school students now have better math skills than whites had only 20 years ago."

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    I was really upset and I needed help, so I searched for help online and I came across a website that suggested that Dr Ahmed can help solve marital problems, restore broken relationships and so on. So, I felt I should give him a try. I contacted him and he told me what to do and I did it then he did a spell for me. 17 hours later, my bf came to me and apologized for the wrongs he did and promise never to do it again. Ever since then, everything has returned back to normal. I and my bf are living together happily again...
    All thanks to Dr Ahmed if you have any problem contact Dr Ahmed now and I guarantee you that he will help you. Here’s his contact. Email him at: Ahmedutimate@gmail.com Call/what’s-app him: +2348160153829

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  14. Getting back together with your ex-lover is sometimes very challenging and I failed it many times after my husband left me and we were separated. But after I read about Dr. Oranitutu. [dr.oranitutu@gmail.com]. I decided to get in contact with him and when he replied my mail, I discovered it was so easy for me to get my husband back within 24 hours with love spell for free. That's how I got my husband back for free after 2 years of separation. You can also contact him at dr.oranitutu@gmail.com or call +2348103710768. He can also help you out if you are having any kind of spiritual afflictions or suffering from spiritually inflicted sicknesses. www.droranitutu.wixsite.com/spellcaster

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  15. I'm Wasna Matkaw. I'm from USA, When I eventually found testimonies about this spell caster Dr iyaryi how he helped many people to get their lovers and broken homes back, i contacted him through his email address (driayaryi2012@hotmail.com) because my boyfriend whom i really love with all my heart and also love me too, but suddenly change and turned his back on me and hated me with passion I was absolutely desperate to get my boyfriend back. Life without my boyfriend was a real mess for me and my parent I wanted a dramatic change and I thought magic could be the solution. After discussing the resolution with Dr ayaryi he gave me hope that he will restore my relationship back because he already engaged me. I felt confident that he will actually make my boyfriend to return home and he did! It’s fantastic what this great spell caster have done for me, his help is priceless! I don't know what I would have done without Dr ayaryi does his job so well he is organized and highly functional, i believe he is the best spell caster i can count on when it comes to all kinds of spell, I was floored that his spells worked, if you need help, contact him (driayaryi2012@hotmail.com) I assure you things will turn around for you.. And also Reach him on WhatsApp Number: +2349057915709 Thanks Dr. Iyaryi

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  16. This is a true life experience with Doctor Covenant who helped me save my marriage by doing a pregnancy spell for me. My name is jenny clouds and i from somalia but currently live in manchester . my husband and i have been married for over 6 years. We didn't have any children. My husband was not happy with this because we have tried for many years now to have a child that we thought of adopting but the idea wasn't the best for us. my husband even talked about divorce!! i was scared to loose my husband.3 months after my husband started talking about divorce, i saw a post on facebook which taled about a spell caster on how he helpes people from various problems and his name was Dr Covenant. I sent a mail to him through his email address covenantsolutiontemple@gmail.com, I explained everything to him and he told me not to worry. i was over excited, he comforted me with his words, he told me that we are going to do a pregnancy spell, i was scared but i had no choice. he told me what to do and i did it. he actually did the pregnancy spell, he gave me assurance that i will become pregnant in 2 days, i thought he was joking. this is the 11th month after meeting Dr Covenant, now i have a set of twins, a boy and a girl. God bless you Dr Covenant, thank you for what you have done for me, Please contact and meet Doctor Covenant if you are passing through any difficulty in life like the one i was passing through contact covenantsolutiontemple@gmail.com or call or add him on watsapp on +2349057353987. there are still real people out there helping people. covenantsolutiontemple@gmail.com is one of them.he also help in lottery winning too, if you want to win lottery now also contact him

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  17. After being in relationship with markiss for seven years,he broke up with me, I did everything possible to bring him back but all was in vain, I wanted him back so much because of the love I have for him, I begged him with everything, I made promises but he refused. I explained my problem to someone online and she suggested that I should rather contact a spell caster that could help me cast a spell to bring him back but I am the type that never believed in spell, I had no choice than to try it, I mailed the spell caster, and he told me there was no problem that everything will be okay before three days, that my ex will return to me before three days, he cast the spell and surprisingly in the second day, it was around 4pm. My ex called me, I was so surprised, I answered the call and all he said was that he was so sorry for everything that happened, that he wanted me to return to him, that he loves me so much. I was so happy and went to him, that was how we started living together happily again. Since then, I have made promise that anybody I know that have a relationship problem, I would be of help to such person by referring him or her to the only real and powerful spell caster who helped me with my own problem and who is different from all the fake ones out there. Anybody could need the help of the spell caster, his email: drosemudiamenspellhome@gmail.com you can email him if you need his assistance in your relationship or anything. I CAN NEVER STOP TALKING ABOUT HIM, HIS EMAIL ADDRESS IS: drosemudiamenspellhome@gmail.com CONTACT HIM NOW FOR SOLUTION TO ALL YOUR PROBLEM

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  18. My name is Sumaila Joy , My Ex-Husband dumped me two weeks ago after I
    accused him of seeing someone else and insulting him. I want him back in my
    life but he refuse to have any contact with me.I was so confuse and don’t
    know what to do, so I reach to the internet for help and I saw a testimony
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    Once again thank you Priest Vudu,

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  19. My name is Sumaila Joy , My Ex-Husband dumped me two weeks ago after I
    accused him of seeing someone else and insulting him. I want him back in my
    life but he refuse to have any contact with me.I was so confuse and don’t
    know what to do, so I reach to the internet for help and I saw a testimony
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    surprise the third day my ex came knocking on my door and beg for
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    are about to get married.
    Once again thank you Priest Vudu,

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  20. I wish to share my testimonies with the general public about what this man called Dr.Kala has just done for me, this man has just brought back my Ex husband to me with his great spell, i and my husband have been married for 12yrs now and we loved each other but when i was unable to give him a child he left me October 2017 and told me he can’t continue anymore. I have cried and beg for him to come back but he refuse, then i was now looking for ways to get him back until a friend of mine tell me about this man called Dr Kala and give me his contact email (kalalovespell@gmail.com) and told me he can help me restore my marriage.I contact him and explain my problem to him and he told me he is going to get my husband back to me within 24hrs and guarantee me of good result and i told him to go ahead with the spell and after 24hrs just as Dr Kala said my husband came back to me and beg me to forgive him for the pains he has caused me for the past 2 months of separation. Dr Kala also gave me some medication to help me get pregnant and behold its almost a months since i use the medication and i just got confirmation now that am a week pregnant after 12yrs of no child and right now my husband is more lovely and caring and he treats me like an egg. I am so greatful to Dr Kala for the help he render to me and the good work he is doing for people and i will continue to publish his name on the net for people to see and also get help from him. You can contact Dr Kala on his email: kalalovespell@gmail.com or you can call and whatsapp him on +2347051705853

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  21. hello everyone out there am here to tell you about this great man who helped me when the whole world was against me,my husband left me for another woman and i loved this man so much i was confused didnt know what to do untill i met this great man who helped me so if you are out there and you are having issues with your ex or you having any other problems be it sickness anything that needs a spell caster you can contact this man and your problems will be solved trust me i know what am talking about.here is how you can contact him through his email. prophetkalito@gmail.com.
    Thanks.

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  22. I am Mrs Unice from Australia, i want to share a testimony of my life to every one. i was married to my husband George Vega, i love him so much we have been married for the past 8 years now with two kids. when he went for a vacation to France he meant a lady called Mary, he told me that he is no longer interested in the marriage any more. i was so confuse and seeking for help, i don't know what to do until I met my friend miss pasha and told her about my problem. she told me not to worry about it that she had a similar problem before and introduce me to a man called Dr UZOYA love spell who cast a spell on his ex and bring him back to her after 2 days. Miss pasha ask me to contact Dr UZOYA love spell for help. I contacted him to help me bring back my husband and he ask me not to worry about it that the gods of his four -fathers will fight for me. He told me by two days he will re-unite me and my husband together. After two day my husband called and told me he is coming back to sought out things with me, I was surprise when I saw him and he started crying for forgiveness. Right now I am the happiest woman on earth for what this great spell caster did for me and my husband, you can contact Dr UZOYA email; driraborspellcaster@gmail.com .He is the best spell caster who is very capable to help you his telephone number is +13019098775

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  23. Hello everyone

    Am Osas Linda from Denmark.I want to say a special thanks to Dr. Manbela who helped me bring back my ex lover. i never thought we are going to be back again until i come across Dr. Manbela who helped me. but in case you will need his help for any other problem you can contact him through drmanbelaherbalhome@gmail.com or add him up on whatsapp in +2348112060023. thanks Dr. manbela

    Thanks Dr. Manbela

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  24. My herpes is cured and it's miracle healing. Thanks to Dr. Sam who cure my Genital Herpes

    I was in trouble when doctor told me that I have been diagnosed with Genital Herpes. I thought about my Family, how they will feel if they knew, i was also felling pains in my Anus and vagina. I lost hope and I wept all day, but one day I was surfing the internet I found about Dr. Sam on how he cured a lady with natural herbs, I decided to contact him through his mobile number, i also wrote him letter through his email address. he guided me. I asked him for solutions and he prepared a herbal remedy and send to me,when i received it, i started taking it as directed. Thank God, now everything is fine, I’m cured by Dr. Sam herbal medicine, I’m very thankful to God and very happy with my hubby and family. You can contact him through his email address on Email: Supremecurehome@gmail.com His website: http://www.supremecurehome.blogspot.com
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  25. Hello Every One Out Here.

    I'm from USA Dallas. Am writing this great article to appreciate the good work of Dr IyaryI. I have been married for 2 years with pain and agony because my husband left me for another lady. I was reviewing some post on the internet on how i could get back my husband then, i saw a post by Kim Carberry from Canada. who testified of Dr IyaryI the almighty spiritual caster. I contacted Kim Carberry to confirm about Dr IyaryI and she guaranteed me and gave me the courage to contact Dr IyaryI for help. So, i contacted him and he assured me that my days of sorrows are over that i will get back my husband within 24 hours. I did all what he told me and am very happy today that my husband is back to me and we are now living happily like never before and i can boldly and proudly testify to the world that Dr IyaryI is a good and remarkable helper that specializes on different kind of spells. If you need his help, then contact him on E-mail: (driayaryi2012@hotmail.com) And also Reach him on WhatsApp Number: +2349057915709 Thanks Dr IyaryI

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  26. I want to say a very big thanks to Dr OLU for the wonderful work he did for me in helping me to save my marriage, my husband ask for a divorce letter because of the little misunderstanding we had in the past few month, And also i never wanted this because i love my husband so much and all our investment was a joint business and i don't want to be far away from my family and my two lovely kids. My friend told me about Dr OLU and how he also helped her with her marital issues, so i had to contact him because i want to stop my husband from completing the divorce letter and i want to keep my family together and after contacting him, i was told what i needed to do and when i was going to start seeing the result, I did as Dr. OLU has instructed and after 3 days my Husband call me and start asking for my forgiveness and it was all like a dream to me and we are all living happily together again all thanks to Dr OLU. Contact Him today for marital help via his Whatsapp number: +2348067704010 or call him.
    Email: drolusolutiontemple11@gmail.com or drolusolutiontemple@yahoo.com
    Also read more about him via his blog page: https://drolutemple1.blogspot.com




    I want to say a very big thanks to Dr OLU for the wonderful work he did for me in helping me to save my marriage, my husband ask for a divorce letter because of the little misunderstanding we had in the past few month, And also i never wanted this because i love my husband so much and all our investment was a joint business and i don't want to be far away from my family and my two lovely kids. My friend told me about Dr OLU and how he also helped her with her marital issues, so i had to contact him because i want to stop my husband from completing the divorce letter and i want to keep my family together and after contacting him, i was told what i needed to do and when i was going to start seeing the result, I did as Dr. OLU has instructed and after 3 days my Husband call me and start asking for my forgiveness and it was all like a dream to me and we are all living happily together again all thanks to Dr OLU. Contact Him today for marital help via his Whatsapp number: +2348067704010 or call him.
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    Also read more about him via his blog page: https://drolutemple1.blogspot.com

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  27. My name is Alexander,am from canada.Thank you so much Dr. EDES for restoring back my Broken marriage for 4 years of total separation with my lovely wife cos of her boss who use a spell on her to abandoned me and our kids. i have contacted so many casters online several times but were scammed. i saw a testimony on the internet of one Juliana testifying of your good work, i contacted him which he assured me just 48 hours for an instant result. Sir just same 48 hours as you promise my wife came back home begging for forgiveness to love and cherish i and the kids forever, am so happy and thankful to you Dr. EDES,,,I am So Happy and Excited because as i am writing this Testimony, My wife is madly in love with me again. If there is any body Out there who is in Difficulties and need help should kindly Contact Dr. EDES on His Email ID and he is Ready to Help you no matter the Situation, Here is His Valid Email; DREDESSPIRITUALCENTER0@GMAIL.COM or contact him through his whatsapp number +2348151937428. GOODLUCK AS YOU CONTACT HIM FOR DIVINE HELP.

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  28. My name is Amy Daniela. Out of respect for you and your spells I must make this testimony know to all. I've been to other spell casters without seeing any result.I just wished I came to you earlier,i got the best from you. My ex husband was gone for a year and I went everywhere and other spell casters for help but no result until my friend introduce me to Dr JAJA After the Love Spell was done, I finally got a calls from him.His spells worked wonders and my husband is back with full of love. It was like a miracle! He suddenly came back with flowers saying that i should forgive him,i was truly flabbergasted and shocked when my husband kneel down begging for forgiveness and for me to accept him back..I'm really short of words and joyful,you are a God sent to me and my entire family.. And now i am a joyful woman once again.Thank you so much Dr JAJA To everyone who is looking for a real spell caster contact Dr JAJA On pekokospelltemple@gmail.com or contact himon Whats-app+2349051441669

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  29. My name is Amy Daniela. Out of respect for you and your spells I must make this testimony know to all. I've been to other spell casters without seeing any result.I just wished I came to you earlier,i got the best from you. My ex husband was gone for a year and I went everywhere and other spell casters for help but no result until my friend introduce me to Dr JAJA After the Love Spell was done, I finally got a calls from him.His spells worked wonders and my husband is back with full of love. It was like a miracle! He suddenly came back with flowers saying that i should forgive him,i was truly flabbergasted and shocked when my husband kneel down begging for forgiveness and for me to accept him back..I'm really short of words and joyful,you are a God sent to me and my entire family.. And now i am a joyful woman once again.Thank you so much Dr JAJA To everyone who is looking for a real spell caster contact Dr JAJA On pekokospelltemple@gmail.com or contact himon Whats-app+2349051441669

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  30. Save Your Relationship and Get Your Ex Boyfriend/Girlfriend Back!contact: drodogbo34@gmail.com is certainly the best spell caster online and his result is 100% guarantee.
    My Name Olivia Stephen form Tx,USA. After 12years of marriage, me and my husband has been into one quarrel or the other until he finally left me and moved to California to be with another woman. I felt my life was over and my kids thought they would never see their father again. i tried to be strong just for the kids but i could not control the pains that torments my heart, my heart was filled with sorrows and pains because i was really in love with my husband. Every day and night i think of him and always wish he would come back to me, I was really upset and i needed help, so i searched for help online and I came across a website that suggested that dr odogbo can help get ex back fast. So, I felt I should give him a try. I contacted him and he told me what to do and i did it then he did a Love spell for me. 28 hours later, my husband really called me and told me that he miss me and the kids so much, So Amazing!! So that was how he came back that same day,with lots of love and joy,and he apologized for his mistake,and for the pain he caused me and the kids. Then from that day,our Marriage was now stronger than how it were before, All thanks to dr odogbo. he is so powerful and i decided to share my story on the internet that dr odogbo real and powerful spell caster who i will always pray to live long to help his children in the time of trouble, if you are here and you need your Ex back or your husband moved to another woman, do not cry anymore, contact this powerful spell caster now. Here’s his contact email drodogbo34@gmail.com
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  31. I have a testimony to share,,am from the United State Of America Am a Medical doctor in California,I married for about 21 years ago without any child then me and my husband go for an adoption of 2 kids male/female.Last month something wonderful and gracious happened to me i came across this powerful doctor in the internet that promise to help me get pregnant which i totally disagree,,,How can i be pregnant looking my age he ask me not to worry that he can help me get pregnant with his powers. That after the job has been completed there is no any side effect or harm,that was how he told me what to do which i did, could you believe i miss my periodical time that same Month and i was pregnant.Today am now the happiest woman on Earth,,While am i testify to this site i know there are a lot of people that are in this kind of trouble some will decide to commit suicide. please just do and contact him for help his email [drabakaspelltemple@gmail.com or call +2349063230051

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  32. HOW TO GET YOUR EX LOVER BACK.
    I want to share my testimony with everyone, my name is Victoria Desmond from USA, after 4 years of marriage with my husband ,he left me for another woman which led me into frustration. I did all i could to get him back but none availed, until an old friend of mine told me about a spell caster Dr.jaja on the internet who helped her in a similar problem, at first i doubted it but I decided to give it a try.I contacted the doctor (jajaspellcastertemple@gmail.com.com) he helped me cast a spell on my
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  33. I was searching for advise on what to do to get back my EX Husband, My story is about a woman who used to work with my husband in the same office, they were having secrete affair and i caught them, for that reason my we had to split, but i still love him but it seems he was deeply in lover with the other lady and he left me useless, after few weeks of searching for help, I came across Dr.Alli who can help me, i contacted Dr.Alli for help due to the fact that i needed my EX lover desperately because he is my everything and my life. To God be the glory, my EX husband came back to me within 12 hours and he swore never to cheat on me again and promised to love me forever, Viewers reading my article that also need his help should contact him with his email : ( allispellhelp1@gmail.com ) call or Whatsapp +2348100772528 he will solve your relationship problem.....

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  34. HOW I GOT MY WIFE BACK HOME WITH THE HELP OF A REAL AND GENUINE ONLINE LOVE SPELL CALL/WHATSAPP +2349067457724.

    My name is Chuck Jones. I do not know how to thank GREAT Dr. Ocusodo for bringing happiness back to my family. i do really wanna tell the whole world that there is a spell caster called Dr. Ocusodo that is so real and genuine. I never believed in any of these things but when i lose my wife for 2 years, i required help until i found a great spell caster,and he assured me that I will get my wife back in just 28hours but i was in doubt, and after the spell has been cast, 28hours later, just as the spell caster said, my phone rang, and surprisingly it was my wife who has not called me for the past 2 years, and she made an apology for the pain she has caused me and she told me that she is ready to come back home for me. Dr. Ocusodo really made her know how much i loved and needed her. And he also opened her eyes to picture how much love we have to share together. I will keep sharing this testimony all over the world. All thanks goes to Dr. Ocusodo for the good work that he has done for me. Contact him now because he is very powerful and he will always help you. Believe him and do all he ask you to do and never doubt him in any way.his email: drocusodospellcaster@gmail.com or drocusodospellcaster@yahoo.com or WhatsApp or call him now: +2349067457724.

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  35. Hello,

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  36. My name is Cindy Evans from USA My boyfriend and I were happy as far as I could tell and I never thought that we would break up. When his cousin died in a tragic car accident he went back to UK for a week to be with his family. I could not go because I was in the middle of entertaining out of town clients for work. He did not seem to be upset that I could not go so I let him be. The next thing that I know, he reconnected with an old friend from high school that he had a crush on years ago and they started to have an affair! I had no clue what was going on until a month after he came back from UK.He proceeded to see both her and I until I caught him texting her one night. I confronted him and he told me the truth about what happened. We broke up and went our separate ways. Neither of us fought for our relationship. I was angry and decided not to be upset about it and just keep it moving. Then after about a month of not speaking to him I became sad. I wanted him to tell me that he wanted to be with me and not her. I contacted Dr. Ocusodo for a love spell and he totally helped me! he was able to get him to miss me to where he wanted to get back together again. He had a lot of regrets and felt bad for not fighting to keep me and for cheating in general. He values our relationship so much more now and we are together now! You can also get your lover back with the help of Dr.Ocusodo contact him through his email: drocusodospellcaster@gmail.com or drocusodospellcaster@yahoo.com or WhatsApp or call him now: +2349067457724.

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  37. Hello I want to give thanks to  Dr Udi  the Great and powerful one, in whom I trust completely and he cast spells such as love spells, spells to attract a lover, spells to return lost lover, spells to stop cheating in a relationship, spells to stop divorce and marriage spells. With Guaranteed and powerful results. Any spell you need will be solved by Dr Udi.Inbox him today, you can also Call,Text, Whatsapp him on +2348051243538 or Email: Ultimatespellhome@gmail.com,ol]

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