BREAKING: How did we ever make it this far?

TUESDAY, JUNE 5, 2018

Craig Melvin's deepest beliefs:
Before we say another word, we want to establish one point:

Savannah and Hoda had no idea about their colleague, Matt Lauer. Neither did Craig Melvin.

Everyone had heard about Matt, but those three hadn't heard. If they had heard about Matt, they would have spoken up right away, their moral greatness and their sincerity are so achingly clear.

We've always thought well of Melvin. We overlooked his role on MSNBC's weekend Dateline reruns, in which he covers for the channel's headlong rush to stop pretending to be doing "the news" and to entertain us with murders instead.

He just does what his owners tell him to do! That's what we've always said.

We're less inclined to respect Melvin after watching his sliced-and-diced, heavily-edited interview with Bill Clinton. The children can't seem to stop playing this game, and it looks like they never will.

We have no idea why Clinton would waste his time writing a novel with James Patterson. We don't know why he agreed to sit for a sliced-and-diced interview overseen by a bunch of hacks like the owners of Savannah, Heda and Craig, none of whom had any idea about what Matt was doing.

It was dumb to write the book; it was dumber to sit for the interview. Dumbest of all was the slicing-and-dicing, followed by the various analyses which have left us wondering how our human race ever made it this far.

In this country, we'd guess the answer has two parts. First, we had the frontier to conquer. In the last century, we had external enemies.

Today, we have a bunch of overpaid children paid to pretend to be journalists. And good lord! The things they've said so far!

Over at The Atlantic, we celebrate the return of "the 21-year-old intern," the famous novelized figure who of course never existed.

This nonexistent person has reappeared in various locales, but in that essay at the Atlantic, the "21-year-old intern" is specifically cited two separate times. She was born in the Young Adult novels from which these journalists have drawn their most basic ideas.

Watching Don Lemon last night, we actually saw a legal analyst saying some version of what appears in this typically garbled CNN transcript. We can't find videotape of the segment, so we can't do their proofreading for them, as we typically do:
"I would have been more satisfied had he addressed what I thought was the most obvious reason why a married man would not have addressed the woman who was his mistress 20 years ago with a personal phone call and perhaps with some conciliatory flowers." That was obvious to me...
Seriously! It would have been better if he'd sent her some flowers! That was actually said on the air! How in the world did our human race actually make it this far?

That said, we were most struck by Christina Cauterucci's rumination at Slate. All through her piece, she showed no sign of having noticed how sliced and sliced the Today Show broadcast was. She didn't feel the need to explain her reference to "bad sexual behavior."

We were struck by several things she said, but we were most struck by this passage:
CAUTERUCCI (6/4/18): If feminist responses to Patterson and Clinton’s defenses sound tired, it’s because many of us have already used them against Trump. Yes, it was also bad for JFK to sleep around in office, but no, he didn’t lie under oath about it; no, Marilyn Monroe was not a White House intern; and no, that’s not what the question was about.
Watching that interview, does anyone ever have any idea "what the question was about?" Given the way the interview was edited, that seems unclear throughout.

Cauterucci writes almost exclusively about sex and gender issues. Her remarks about JFK are remarkable. We'll run through several points:

Monica Lewinsky wasn't an intern during her intermittent two-year affair with Clinton. She was a 22- to 24-year old full time federal employee. (Clinton played no role in getting her the job, which she had accepted before the two ever met.)

That said, President Kennedy did have an intern in his White House. She had just turned 19 when she started; she'd never had a boy friend.

She was also conventionally good looking. On her fourth day in the White House, she was essentially procured for Kennedy, and she was then essentially raped.

She wrote a well-written memoir on the subject a few years ago. Cauterucci knows everything on the face of the earth, but despite her area of specialization, she doesn't seem to know this.

Did Kennedy sleep with Marilyn Monroe? As far as we know, that has never been established one way or the other.

At any rate, why did he never lie under oath? Because in that era, journalists agreed that they wouldn't spend their time hiding in the bushes trying to catch public figures in the act of having a girl friend. Perhaps because we had an external enemy, they had decided that they wouldn't spend their time doing that.

In 1987, that rule changed. Journalists literally hid in the bushes overnight, hoping to catch Gary Hart.

They did catch Gary Hart that night, and they ended his career. As with Lewinsky, so too with Donna Rice. This astounding array of creepy crawlers also made things difficult for her.

In the current situation, the denizens of our celebrity press corps have never stopped attacking Clinton for once having had such a relationship himself. President Clinton had a girl friend over the course of two years, and by the rules of the game in our dying culture, that isn't allowed.

None of those facts about Kennedy tell us what to think about Clinton. Did he engage in "bad sexual behavior" with Lewinsky, as Slate's young Dimmesdale says?

He engaged in very stupid behavior, but that's largely because a gang of creeps were hiding in the bushes around his life. Some of these people were Ann Coulter's friends, but the bulk of these people were "journalists."

Cauterucci is one of the modern Dimmesdales. So is Rachel Maddow. When it turned out that Governor Bentley had a girl friend, she played the tape of a telephone call between the two lovers over and over again, childishly pretending to be embarrassed. You really have to be a sick puppy to dumb the world down that way for bog pay, but that's where our culture now stands.

America has always had its Dimmesdales; today, they pretend to be journalists. They focus on who's zoomin' who because, not unlike Cauterucci, they don't care about black kids in Chicago, or about older women in Kentucky who can't afford to go to the doctor despite having paid for Obamacare.

Bill Clinton shouldn't have interacted with Monica Lewinsky, who was neither 21 nor an intern. But it was mobs of children posing as journalists who chased the pair to ground.

Personally, we're glad that Governor Bentley found someone he liked. We only wish our modern Dimmesdales were able to do the same thing.

Important closing point: Why hasn't Cauterucci ever heard of Mimi Alford?

Simple! The idiots who hated Clinton just luvvvv their JFK!

48 comments:

  1. Why are you being so defensive about the big boss of your zombie cult fucking a fat 21-year old intern at the workplace, and then lying about it in a sworn deposition, Bob? It is unbecoming of you, Bob.

    Sad.

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    1. Yes, Mao. Bob did something for which he he sometimes criticizes journalist: describing some bad act in terms that make it sound less bad.

      Clinton and Monica wasn't just an "affair" or an "interaction". It was
      -- Oral sex
      -- in the Oval Office
      -- an attempt to destroy Monica's credibility
      -- lying to the nation
      -- lying under oath

      The Oval Office was a big deal. Reagan always wore a suit when he was working in the Oval Office, to show how serious he was about his job. Clinton's behavior there conveys a lack of seriousness.

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    2. David, is oral sex worse than an affair? If so, why? Does denying sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky, attack her credibility, after she bragged, not of sexual relations, but of oral sex? Would attempting to destroy her credibility be a high crime and misdemeanor anyway? How is Clinton's and Lewinsky's intimate activity any of the nation's business? What lie did Clinton tell under oath?

      Reagan wore a suit while doing all of this:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_administration_scandals

      Maybe he should have worn casual attire.

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    3. Caesar -

      1. Yes, oral sex used to be considered more unconventional. Ironically, as a result of Clinton, it's considered less unconventional today.

      2. The Clintons had a regular routine for destroying the credibility of Bill's paramours. It involved the use of various people to make defamatory accusations. They had started this process with Monica, but the DNA result settled the matter.

      3. IMHO attempting to destroy Lewinsky's credibility is not grounds for impeachment, but it's scummy behavior.

      4. "How is Clinton's and Lewinsky's intimate activity any of the nation's business?" - Until President Clinton and now President Trump, Americans expected the President to be a moral leader. Also, the Oval Office location and Clinton even conducting Presidential business while being fellated make it the people's business. As you will recall Gary Hart's and John Edwards's Presidential ambitions were ended due to extramarital affairs.

      5. As I recall, Clinton's lie came during a deposition in the Paula Jones lawsuit. He agreed to give up his law license in exchange for not being prosecuted.

      6. Reagan made some errors as President, but he got a lot of big things right. Winning the Cold War without mass killing and getting the US into rapid economic expansion were huge achievements.

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    5. It was George Kennan who won the Cold War without the mass killing of Soviets or Americans.

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    6. According to Kitty Kelley’s biography, Nancy Reagan “was renowned in Hollywood for performing oral sex.” Just-say-yes Nancy–in the days when she was Nancy Davis–was known to give the best blowjob in town, “not only in the evening but in offices. [T]hat was one of the reasons that she was very popular on the MGM lot.” It must have made her very popular with Ronnie as well.

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    7. Thanks for bringing up Reagan. It galls me to hear Trump being called the worst President ever. The 1980s happened. I lived through them. And "Worst President Ever" is a title Reagan will own unless/until Trump nukes all of America's major cities.

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  2. "Everyone had heard about Matt, but those three hadn't heard. If they had heard about Matt, they would have spoken up right away, their moral greatness and their sincerity are so achingly clear."

    Often the people who are closest to a wrongdoer are the last to know about it. That's because others don't want to talk to them about it. They don't hear the same gossip. They are protected from the information by others. So Somerby's snideness seems a bit unfair. He keeps implying they are lying when they say they didn't know. It is likely they didn't because it didn't happen to them and no one told them.

    Also, Somerby hasn't read the Scarlet Letter recently. Dimmesdale doesn't mean what he keeps saying it does. They are not equivalent to the press. Dimmesdale was a hypocrite because he was the one who gave Hester Prynne her scarlet letter, he wasn't someone ferreting out her wrongdoing. He was involved in it. So he would be Clinton in this story, not the press.

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    1. "Dimmesdale was a hypocrite." I do believe that that was Bob's point.
      Of course, I could be wrong.

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    2. That and the faux prudishness.

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    3. What is the hypocrisy in Rachel Maddow's reporting of the Bentley story?

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    4. Puritans used a form of punishment that involved public shaming and shunning. Hester Prynne was punished because her pregnancy was visible. She protected Dimmesdale, the father of her child. This is a double standard, not hypocrisy. His private suffering was contrasted with the bravery with ehich she endured her public ordeal.

      There is no parallel her relevant to Clinton's persecution by the right. Somerby only dimly remembers the novel.

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    5. I think he means Chillingworth (which is not quite right either, but closer than Dimmesdale). If Clinton is Hester Prynne, I guess Lewinsky would be Dimmesdale, although that doesn't make much sense.

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  3. From People Magazine's review of Alford's book and interview with her:

    On her fourth day as an intern in 1962, Alford, 19, was invited to swim with JFK in the White House pool then dine with him. After an aide plied Alford with daiquiris, JFK led her to Jackie’s bedroom, where she lost her virginity. “I think he did take advantage—I was so young,” she says. “But I liked feeling special.” He began flying her all over the country for trysts....
    “I’m embarrassed to say I didn’t feel guilty,” Alford admits....“I think if I was 19, and as I was, I would do it again—it’s hard to say I wouldn’t,” she says. “He was magnetic.”

    https://people.com/archive/picks-and-pans-review-my-love-affair-with-jfk-vol-77-no-9/

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    1. Sounds like Bob "Essentially raped" Somerby has a little Sabrina Erdeley in him.

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    2. You don't think that being "plied... with daiquiris" for the purpose of sex by a much older man is questionable behavior?

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    3. "Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker!" Ogden Nash

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    4. Shades of Roy Moore.

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    5. The daiquiri' was named after a beach near Santiago de Cuba. If you want to sound sophisticated, pronounce it die key REE.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daiquiri

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    6. "Alford herself acknowledges her complicity. She writes that every friend to whom she described her first sexual encounter with the President (on her fourth day of work, he got her drunk on daiquiris, led her into an empty bedroom, and began undressing her) asked if she considered it rape. She does not, and her reasons for that are fair."

      https://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/mimi-and-the-president

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  4. Just as we were urged not to view Rob Porter as a monster (http://dailyhowler.blogspot.com/2018/03/the-shapes-of-monster-and-its-cousin.html?m=1), surely Somerby must have urged the same thing about Matt Lauer? Maybe he was mentally ill?

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  6. Yes, Bill Clinton having sex with Monica Lewinsky was stupid. It's a stupid bet: medium risk, low-to-medium reward, huge downsides if you lose. Politically *very* stupid. What makes these guys (Clinton, Spitzer, ...) think that they're invincible, that they have the unique ability to not get caught with their pants down? Especially since they know they have adversaries who have publicly announced they're out to get them.

    But Clinton having sex with Lewinsky was more than stupid, it was unethical. It's nitpicking to point out that Monica was no longer an intern and that she was 22 not 19. He was the President and she was half his age. Way before the #MeToo movement elaborated on the power imbalances in these situations, it was well understood that a boss diddling a subordinate is unethical. It's a firing offense at most major corporations. It's often done quietly, but the manager is shown the door soon after HR gets a whiff of the affair. In the late 90's, I witnessed an Executive VP at a major bank told to pack his boxes within a week of his dalliance being reported.

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    1. In her deposition, Monica Lewinsky stated that she was the aggressor. Clinton said yes. He didn't approach her. Is that still unethical? Lewinsky was an adult. Does she have no agency, no responsibility? Are women never allowed any participation, always just victims? Linda Tripp was unethical. Monica was not Clinton's subordinate. She didn't work with or for him.

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    2. Nothing was said about Lewinsky being the victim. Even acknowledging that she was the aggressor, Clinton should have known better and turned back her advances. It's well established that people don't fully develop mature judgement until their late 20's. What advice would he have given a 22 year old Chelsea beginning an affair with a 49 year old married man from her office?

      The claim that Monica was not his subordinate is another instance of legalistic nitpicking. Maybe she was not his direct report, but she was working in the Executive Branch of the Federal Government, where everybody is a subordinate of the President. From the Wikipedia entry on the Clinton-Lewinsky Scandal: "She was hired during Clinton's first term in 1995 as an intern at the White House and was later an employee of the White House Office of Legislative Affairs. ... Lewinsky stated that she had sexual encounters with Bill Clinton on nine occasions from November 1995 to March 1997. ... In April 1996, Lewinsky's superiors relocated her job to the Pentagon, because they felt that she was spending too much time around Clinton."

      So she *was* working with him during the beginning of the affair and she *did* work for him during the whole duration of the affair.

      No argument re your appraisal of Linda Tripp.

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    3. "It's nitpicking to point out that Monica was no longer an intern and that she was 22 not 19."

      It's false that she was an intern. The point is professional journalists should not consistently report falsehoods.

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    4. Glad you highlighted that sentence. I stepped on my own point. It should have ended with "and that she was 22 not 21." That would have made the "nitpicking" starker.

      As to the "intern" thing, CNN's Chronology of the Clinton-Lewinsky Saga says that she joined the White House as an unpaid intern in June 1995, began the affair in November 1995, and moved to a paid position in the Office of Legislative Affairs in December 1995. So she *was* still an intern during the first month of the affair.

      Now I'm the one doing the nitpicking. But if you're going to critique professional journalists, get your facts straight or at least acknowledge that some facts are in dispute.

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    5. For specific dates, one source is https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/icreport/6narritii.htm:

      11/15/95 - first sexual encounter
      11/17/95 - second sexual encounter
      11/26/95 - internship ends and employment at Office of Legislative Affairs begins

      In other words, she was still an intern during the first two sexual encounters.

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  7. Bill Clinton sure does a lot of dumb, stupid things. Add to that his moral squalor, as David in Cal would say, and you have a perfect match to Bob's description of liberals.

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  8. I'm having difficulty verifying Somerby's timeline for the Lewinsky-Clinton first meeting.

    Online media accounts have it this way:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/icreport/6narritii.htm

    Let me add that Clinton's ultimate target in discrediting Lewinsky's claims (via the Tripp tapes) was the Paula Jones sexual harassment suit against him.

    A pattern of looking for love in all the wrong places is Ground Zero in a sexual harassment case.



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  9. Let me add that Lewinsky has credited the "Me Too" movement with moving her beyond the psychological framework of equating her free will (consent) as validation for the sincere respect and affection she had for Pres. Clinton at the time, versus her counter mental scenario of victimhood/ninny/whore. With that she recognizes that the dynamics of consent were more complex than she had originally recognized.

    She certainly didn't get any help with that at the time from feminists who were more than complacent with Lewinsky as an offering to the Volcano God of "women's rights".

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